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Mar 31, 2005, 10:14pm

Cheers HF,
Yeah its a hard job to do and I respect that- my only gripe is that many
find it insulting to be warned like little kiddies the whole time, many at
AWGZ are usually regulars who come to have fun and chat and do not like to
have someone sayin oh youd better watch out cos you know what you are sayin
might turn into a guideline problem...
Maybe I was overly harsh as PK61 does a great job and is a really nice guy,
I was prolly using it as more of an example..
It wasnt purely Michael Jackson that was the issue- we arnt all kids here
and I personally find it a bit of an insult of intellegence to be warned the
whole time about this and having been here for a whiel and I know how to
talk about things sensibly as do the other people who I converse with- its
pretty obvious usually from the way the conversations head if ya sit back
and listen... theres a time n place for everything.. I dont think anyone
mentioned "talkin nasty" BinaryBud... seems a bit plucked from thin air
that..
I dont think anyone here would want AWGZ to end up like that and it isnt
like that usually either I am glad to say as most people there know how to
talk about things sensibly- and most PK's are really easy going and chilled
in my experience, but you simply cant avoid a subject in this life if its a
bit hard or might offend someone... How do you progress?
If you cant talk about something respectfully like this matter, then it is
usually very evident and then action should be taken obviously.



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Mar 26, 2005, 7:25pm

The plot thickens!

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Mar 26, 2005, 7:35pm

Over the past few weeks- and as mentioned in a previous post, AWGZ has been
cleaned up to look nice n tidy- I just wanted to say it was great to see
Stacee working with AW cits to get the job done recenty, was cool to have
contact with someone who works for AW and listened to its Cits to get the
job done.. nice one Stacee/AW ;)

Mar 29, 2005, 5:28am

This is indeed a serious matter for the community if this is so.

It underlies some allegedly substanional abuses in power and indeed a full
explanation should be called for by yourself Duskbat for the exact reasons
as to your eject and especially to such an over the top extent.

As a community we should be asking if this is true- what will stop this from
further actions against other citezens?

Allegedly being ejecting from your own builds in alphaworld? Seems a bit
extreme and smells funny to me...

I have viewed you previous comments in the news groups against Class 3- it
would seem to point towards a personal vendetta in light of recent events
having witnessed the presence of Belfalest and Class 3 at your Outpost
recently making various implications and remarks- both of whom implied you
were being watched and was meant to be a visit to "let you know whos boss"
in my oppinion- although unfourtuantly i do not have the Bot chat log saved
to prove it.

Although ofcourse this has all been implied, the fact still remains there is
a serious problem here if a substantional explanation is not given. The
reputaion of the PK core and the way in which it works I would suggest
relies upon its Citezens to work together and to bring together a community
with the peace keeping function they should and so often do provide to a
very high standard.

I am sure if the eject is not explained or removed wihtout good reasons
being given then it will not do the core or aw any favours with respects to
citezens relations and this is not benificiary to anyone.

Actions have consequences- and if there is a reason for your eject you
should be told- it is a purely blatent form of logic that subscribes too
the idea that in the future- you will know what you did wrong and not do it
again.

Be an idea to sort this one out chaps and chapesses before any real damage
is done.

The Heretik.


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Mar 29, 2005, 6:38pm

Ah point taken, I misunderstood on that F; although my Bot was there when
Class 3 and Belfalest came to the outpost in Bold and hung around long
enough to make vieled implications, which is not in my oppinion what the
PeaceKeepers should be about, indeed if it was a personal matter between
Class3 and Duskbat, Class 3 as a memeber of the PeaceKeepers should be able
to deal with it him/herself and aviod a situation where by it seems as if
the Citezen is being "Ganged up upon" by more than one PK.
I have actually witnessed Belfalest and Class 3 together before using this
tactic, safety in numbers it would seem.
It takes two Peacekeepers to deal with the mighty Duskbat? LOL *Rolls eyes
as wide as they will go*
Begs the question involving a lightbulb that one.... How embarressing :P
Im not even going to go into all the implications of that, kinda sad
though..
Anyways...
If this is a personal vendetta that is being played out here then as a
community we should be gramming these people to find out why this is
actually happening.. I would suggest 5-10 grams each from everybody :P They
could be just blank grams...
Indeed we do only have Duskbats word that Class 3 "wants to rape him with a
fish" or is a "homosexual", (shame we do not have the grams to prove it
either way) -but this is far from the point and something smells, so I would
urge for the sake of the community's stability and in the interests of AW,
that Duskbat, a longtime citezen and paying memember is given a decent
explanation.
The Cores silence on this matter will only cause fuel eruptions within the
community and serve to cause more distrust in my experience if my
observations of preivious miscalculations are duplicated. Actions have
consequences.
We should have the same innocent til proven guilty approach here as we do in
any civilised world, not meat out punishment in a Tolertarian unexplained
random manner as here in AW as it would appear to be done in this case.
This matter is already embarressing, I do hope it is sorted out duely.

Heretik.

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Mar 30, 2005, 4:25pm

Good on you DaBean and good luck.
New blood would be good in the PK core; would be good to restore the respect
they really do deserve- shame the recent problems have only managed to upset
thier position, will probably even make thier jobs harder - I still stick
with saying in general I have had excellent experiences when I have had any
problems, does make me raise an eyebrow when situations arise as wiht
Duskbat though.
I am sure those involved will be dealt with in time though ;) ....infact I
am certain... ;))
Good Luck DaBean!!

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Mar 30, 2005, 7:29pm

Was a bold move and one to be respected I would say, Belfalest asked Dusk if
he wanted to talk in Public about it and he did, the PK core listened and
took note of the community and wanted to explain some.
Wasnt that what we had been calling for in a way in the previous newsgroup
posts?
I am still uncertain of what exactly went on and wether or not such a harsh
eject was really nessasary, but apparently a vote was made by the core to
eject him for a week... Seems a bit hard to tell what he is really meant to
have done.. a combination of things that all added up??
Was a step in the right direction though...

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Mar 31, 2005, 11:07am

Lol- HF's ya got a point-

In any civilised society there is a judicial system which serves to protect
the community, the citezens and the law enforcers (for want of a better
word).

In situations like Duskbats, a hearing could take place involving impatial
Cits aswell as the Keepers or something... might seem stupid to take things
to this sort of extreme in VR, but it would be an interesting a progression
in manyways..

As HF makes the point- Duskbat is a paying customer of ActiveWorlds, and
despite all the disclaimers- customers do have rights in many ways, be
interesting to see how far legally in RL one could take this sort of matter
Lol.- Yep HF your right- Lawsuits can get on a bandwagon- could it be not
too far in the future people are sueing for alledged violations of thier
Virtual Lives? Interestnig thought lol

AW does have disclaimers in place- and a lot of internet companies in this
field are pretty much unregulated at present, though there are still basic
requirements for any company legally to supply a certain ammount of
responsibilty to its customers, and I am sure it could be argued in a court
in some way or form if one really had the time and tnasity and bloody
mindness to make a point lol- could have interesting outcomes... not my idea
of fun though :P

Indeed it seems so easy to sue these days for practically anything... and if
mentioning Michael Jackson is seen as problematic, wait until the RL legal
world touches VR lol -ofcourse if it ever really happens...Interesting
paradox though huh?

Dunno if its that practicle, but it would be neat in a way to have a 3rd
impartial cit or cit/s involved in the sort of decision that has been made
for in the example of Duskbat- as anything that encourages the involvement
of the core and cits workin together can do nothing but further
understanding of how and why things should work- and ofcourse highlight the
bits that dont and sort em out..

But at the end of the day.. we're all here for fun and it shouldnt be
nessasary!!! *picks up a pinch of salt*

Personally- if I pay for a service which has guidelines, Ill try and stick
to em, though I certainly do think anyone should have the chance to respond
to any accusations, instead of some secret ballot taking place and then
justice being meated out.
And as in any society/community there should be room for progression, all
these rules of the core were written a long time ago now it would seem..
maybe they are in need of a facelift? This is the 21st century :)

"Workin towards a better VR" :P

Heretik.

Im off ta build something cool, Peace out.



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Mar 31, 2005, 6:43pm

As a PK yourself Ryan;
You should take into consideration and be aware of the way the community
feels on certain issues and take them seriously- otherwise the community and
people you serve might not take you seriously- and with due reason.
You are indeed here to serve us and keep the peace for "the greater good"-
not aggrivate situations (as you probably have just done now) or cause
discourse to the community.
See it as a form of constructuve critisism- to be good at something you need
to be its and your own fiercist critic- indeed a lot of good ideas of how to
progress this community have already been suggested- your dismissal of the
way people feel and thoughts on situations only serves to highlight a
certain ignorance which in my oppinion, the PK core can do without!
Should we just accept that we should have bad eggs in a position of power
doing "corrupt" things in community and tolerate them?
If this is actually the case.
Oh .. hang on.. what was it that happened to Duskbat? Was he deemed a bad
egg and thown out??
Why shouldnt we make these observations and try to make sure these bad eggs
are weeded out if they exist and not try to improve things?
Personally I wouldnt have said that and it is interesting as a PK you even
suggest that there are bad eggs in the core... might not be seen as
professional that... might even upset a few of your colleuges...

Just my 10 cents thrown in as per usual :P
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Mar 31, 2005, 7:25pm

Appologies, yes your right, Ry, Ryan, confusication, appologies, my other
comments still stand.

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Mar 31, 2005, 9:40pm

On a further note, I was supprised that you would make this sort of comment,
it didnt really seem like you Ryan, appologies for any misunderstandings it
caused.

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Mar 31, 2005, 8:46pm

Welcome back TechnoZeus and greetings :)
Agreed the community forum should be a place to discuss ways to move things
forward and the fun things in the community, maybe with the help of people
like yourself we could turn it around? How long have you been away
incidently? :)
Seems a shame to dismiss this as it could be a potential useful tool for
everyone here..
Hope to see you around :)
Cheers :)

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Apr 1, 2005, 5:12pm

Scarey story HF, one to tell the grandchildren! lol

Good Luck Bean on your solo when you have it, Im sure its the sorta thing
your relax into once your up there ;)

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Apr 4, 2005, 10:15pm

Shadows right, from my experiences of Seiya Im not supprised- it all gets a
bit freaky when someone approaches you as a 16yr old girl askin you to be
thier internet boyfriend when youve known them previously as someone whos
supposedly 22, a bit sick if you ask me.. although didnt take long to suss
out - and also trying to steal friends identidies by making others think
that they were Seiya him/herself, causing untold problems.. theres a lot I
could add but cant be bothered, its been a long time coming in my oppinion
and not something I really want to have to deal wiht when I come to Aw, but
nether the less, good luck Seiya, hope you have learned something :)

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Apr 5, 2005, 10:57am

I agree with Callidus, Aw is an online community, you act badly in any
community you'd get the same treatment... no intention to flame here
though -just substantiate the facts, which you clearly seem to know little
about Lt. lol -
Would you want your children mixing wiht someone who has- and as Callidus
quite rightly states- a hidden agenda?
Or would you prefer to be aware of it?
When someone opens something like this to the community also- thier right to
keep it "P R I V A T E" also diminishes somewhat wouldnt you say? ...
kinda basic rules of engauegment there my friend lol... but I digress- ..
maybe youve been groomed into thinking the way you do though... things can
work oh so subtley here on the net.. the message is be aware ;)
Cheers ;)


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Apr 7, 2005, 11:15am

Or boy... ?

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Apr 6, 2005, 2:24pm

Cool world, just checked it out... fantastic, cute avies.. fun world :)

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Apr 10, 2005, 3:04pm

Utter Chaos and irrelivence here sometimes lol.. be nice if ppl tried to
stick to the original thread's point.. or discuss it with some kinda
maturity;-

Anyways! Great interesting link Callidus- every little helps as they say..
by posting that link you could have made the charity a few more bucks- Its
so easy to say why the hell does effect me and why should i care - but
there is a bigger world out there and thirdworld countires that really can
benifit from this sorta thing... So if I only have to click my mouse a few
times to contribute in a small way- well Im all for it... guess the reality
of the thirdworld is too difficult for some to contimplate or understand for
some... ohwell.. Good on you and that company Callidus :)
Cheers

The Heretik.

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Apr 11, 2005, 10:15pm

Nice one Dabean n Amanda, about time!! ;))))


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Apr 19, 2005, 6:44pm

Very stable- no weird crashes or freezes like Ive experienced with other
bots- some great features..
Highly recomended- cant wait for the next update ;)
Nice one Strike.

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Apr 19, 2005, 6:41pm

Thanks Gnu, it is a great day for the Vatican...

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May 7, 2005, 1:19am

Yeah, I see what your sayin Goober- Ive seen tourists wiht names like Jack
the Ripper before and nothing was ever said to them, come on boys n girls,
where will the absurdity end?
Aw is a nice place full of nice people -there are people wiht names which I
may not totally agree wiht- but as long as they arnt too in your face- then
there is no problem surely- I dont see how TedBundy is an offensive name- a
very loose interpretation of the "rules" in my mind.
From what I gather everyone there were actually telling the PK in question
that they were not offended.
I am British and I would not be offened by someone called Jack the Ripper-
its absurd to be offened in this day and age...
How do these people actually survive in the real world???? I would be
interested to know... Its laughable...
Or do they not want to be remineded of reality when they use the internet to
escape maybe?
Interesting- people use AW for many reasons- but fantasy and reality have to
be both taken into account for its users, some peolpe seem to have a better
grasp and understanding of what reality is here I have dound- what it means
to be in VR...
How seriously to take it and what actually is offensive...
These are the interesting times we live in, so get wise to it and be aware
of life is my thought.. Progress...
Aw is full of nice people and has always promoted a good community of like
minded nice people- but in this case it sounds like it has been mishandled
big time.
I would suggest anyone offened by the name Ted Bundy should cover themselves
in cotton wool and hide in a box.
They will be safe there and then they no need bother the rest of us.
No offense like lol
Wake up and smell the coffee.
What about that dude called Please Nuke USA???
Sort it out!!!!!!
Maybe the codes of conduct should be reviwed to get wiht the times in
respect to the PK rules...
They just lost a customer as far as I can tell and that sucks....

Just my 2 cents.

Cheers,

The Heretik


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May 7, 2005, 5:18pm

Its a bit of a hard nut to crack really whichever way you look at it- one
thing I have noted is that AW has always has had a nice group of people and
that is partly due to the way the gate is set up to help new users- hence
the GK's usually play an important role in educating newbies- which is the
front line of AW and should be set up to help prosective Cits to understand
what its all about
-as it pretty much does.
But should a tourist whos curious and obviously enjoying his new
surroundings slip through to AW and do nothing other than use a name of
someone infamous- and is then told to change it with no really good reason..
(and as far as I can tell from lookin at the guidelines that name does not
contravine any of them) - AW will loose custom and rightly so -good reasons
are respected, when no satisfactory explanations are given people tend to
get a bit miffed...
From the chat log i saw our friend Ted seemed interested in registering..
now I do have to wonder if he registered and had the Cit name of Ted
Bundy... As a paying user would anyone have told him to change his name? ..
Interesting..
What about that tourist called Please Nuke USA?
It is important I think though to remember these incidents do only crop up
every now and again- but still.... although its kinda disappointing -it does
raise some interesting issues..
A signs a good idea though- so newbies can see know what the PK Core is
about (to help new and old Users should they need it) and show who is on
duty-

Cheers

Heretik :)




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May 8, 2005, 8:38pm

Great Kenneth!! Thanks!! I have been dying for a game of chess for the last
few months..
I was about to post about the situation wiht the Chess and chequers boards
just before I read your post..
Will someone sort out the Chessboard and Chequers at AWGZ?? Please? :))
The chess has been down for a good month now if not longer... and the
Chequers went down recently..
Please can someone sort it out, Chess and Chequers are great fun at AWGZ to
watch and to play..
Thanks though Kenneth, I'll be sure to pop along to Majestic when I find
someone up to the challenge of takin me on..
Naw.. Im just jokin -Im not very good and I need a lot of practise.. Hmm but
then I would say that wouldnt I?
*grin*
Cheers :))))

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May 9, 2005, 3:37pm

Thats Great :))
Still be nice to have Chess n Chequers workin at GZ for casual play-
But good to know we got a Chess world.. and yeah maybe we could set up an AW
league...


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May 9, 2005, 3:59pm

Hilarious... but worrying... very worrying lol

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May 24, 2005, 3:07pm

Dig the Spider tele

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May 25, 2005, 3:49pm

Thats not the attitude to take here in the newsgroups Rodent.
Thanks for the post Dusk I always like to explore new places in Aw and a
teleports is an excellent way of doing it- especially as I know you as a
builder whos been here for a long time and is bound to have a great
selection of interesting and varied teles- which is what I found when I
visited there- and I might just take the chance to reitterate that I liked
the spider tele, very original.
I would say give it a look first and find out why it is different instead of
tryin to make pointless jibes that are just detrimental and negative Rodent.
Where is Hampsterville anyways? Id never heard of it before and would like
to come see sometime..
Cheers :)

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May 24, 2005, 6:05pm

Cool!! MidWeekMadness!!

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May 29, 2005, 5:15pm

FRAPS is very easy to use, Camtasia can be useful in some situations
although I have run into problems gettin it to record things smoothly- but
FRAPS can be easily set up and is cheap- always a bonus huh?
Your films can then be stuck straight into Premeire from there and easily
edited..
Havent used snagit yet... but might experiment wiht it as heard good things-
Add on to Premeire called Cleaner 5 EZ is a great way to compress larger vid
files of different formats for the web to varying degrees of quality.
I used to use a mini DV Deck directly out the Vid card, as Chris says - itll
give you a good resolution- although I have found myself favouring FRAPS's
footage over that of Camtasia or direct to mini DV recodrings, but be warned
though, FRAPS can take up huge ammounts of space when recording, but ya do
get excellent quality recordings.
The latest FRAPS V2.2.5 can be got at www.fraps.com
Premiere or Final Cut Pro are good edit suites... you can get away with
windows bundled rubbish though... I spose -_+

Cheers :)

Heretik.

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