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Mar 16, 2005, 10:31pm

Well- we were all chillin at GZ the other night and PK61 decides in his
wisdom when Babble Fish asks - "Is Michael Jackson guilty?" to deem the
conversation as not appropriate for GZ -then after a little discussion he
then backtracks and says he didnt say we shouldnt continue the conversation,
just to proceed cautiously...
Now... Any other PK I know dont trip like that and lets things roll until it
is eveident that there is goin to be a problem...
I was disgusted at the straight laced interpretation for AWGZ which is a
place of laughs and fun and topical discussion in my view- and always has
been ever since I have been frequenting it.
All the pks I talk to say they are not there to Police.. And in my
experience this is the truth and they all do a great job -I just found his
warnings every five minutes that something MIGHT turn into something that
MIGHT be on the edge of AW regs a bit crass and unintuitive, not to mention
delebriately antagonistic- most PKs I've spoken to will let a chat and the
community's talk and chat and develop- and if it does breach the
"guidelines" fair play- then say something.
Darn ruined my and others evening havin someone jump on every little thing -
"This might turn into something"- it blantently just antagonises people-
which is what it did- and this in my and everyone elses eyes I spoke to does
not lead to a good way forward for AW's Rep - the PK core or its citezens.
There is a certain ammount of respect here that should be adhered to for
sure- but haveing coversation choked in this way is a pretty sad thing in my
oppinion- and the lack of faith in the Cits who regularly come to GZ to
talk, chat and try to have fun is pretty patronising.
Topical debate has always gone on at GZ and I suggest this PK is witness to
GZ at other times and on other Pk's shifts as the night in mention he
managed to antagonise needlessly pretty much everyone at GZ-and this is not
the way forward for any PK who needs the mutal repect of the citezens to be
able to enjoy AW.
I am sure everyone will agree that we do not want AWGZ to turn into the
gate... What yall think?
I was perfectly happy to discuss Jackson as was everyone there... it is a
topical and relavent topic- I do object to someone warning on me how to
progress wiht my conversation every five minutes and it says a lot in my
book the need to interject in such a way if you ask me... Most Pks I know do
an exceptional job- but this one... upset a whole lotta people for no good
reason.
Hopefully he will learn from this experience and grow and progress :)
Goodluck to him :)
Cheers,
The Heretik.

Mar 16, 2005, 11:51pm

I think that the Michael Jackson trial is really just a "fluff story"
and there are lots of other important topics that the media should be
addressing instead. As for the GKs/PKs, if you do a search on the
newsgroup, I think this topic has already been talked about numerous
times in the past. What more is there to discuss about it that hasn't
been touched on already?

-Builderz

Mar 17, 2005, 12:29am

personally, I think the PK was right to warn you. though it might not state
it in the guidelines, I'm sure child molestation and kidnapping is not
something AW want discussed in their GZs.
but anyway, ya, I think Michael Jackson wasn't guilty. at least not too
guilty, maybe a little on the child molestation part, but just seams the
mother of the child is after attention, and the money that comes with it.
haven't read/seen much about it, just seams that way.

-SWE

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Mar 17, 2005, 12:33am

Guilty.

-Joe

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Mar 17, 2005, 12:35am

Uh... its never really been the PK's before. 99% of the time PK service is
inpeccable, up till about a week ago.

- Mark R

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Mar 17, 2005, 12:54am

Guilty - and even if he is not he is f**ked anyway, hurrar for the Media!

- MR

Mar 17, 2005, 2:38am

[View Quote] He didnt warm me, he warned someone else for a conversation that MIGHT have
happened.. which was typical of the aforementioned PK- completely OTT, wasnt
as if it was goin to be discussed in detail- it wasnt the fact whether or
not Michael (or Mike as I call him) was guilty that was the heart of what I
was gettin to- it was the antagonistic jumping on anything that was said
that MIGHT go towards anything remotely not adhreed to in the guidelines,
for example- someone was warned by this PK not to discuss a film that was
rated over 18- even though the not over 18 bits were commented on- there is
something a bit arwy here.. censorship gone mad... maybe you should have
tasted the atmposphere at GZ after this.... by all means if something
contravines the "guidelines" say so- but at this point nothing had passed
beyond these boundaries.... no needs to mention anything just to be
antagonistic as this Pk was doing so.... someone just asked if he was guilty
or not... the PK totally killed the atmosphere- and continueed to do so- The
other Pks I know, know when to interject and when to leave it- theres a
balance between winding up the Cits and actually do something useful... Ive
been witness to many a topical debate over different things at GZ- and the
intracises of child molestation wernt really gonna be investigated in detail
after the general question of was he guilty or not.. I dont think many would
be that insensitive... Conversation was being jumped on at every oppertunity
about something that MIGHT occur, not what was actually occuring, ie. There
was Poor Judgement at play.... anyways- hopefully one learns from these
experiences- I personally didnt care whether or not he was actaully guilty
or not- I just think we should have the right to talk in general about if he
is or not- like I have been privy too when other PK's have been around......

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Mar 17, 2005, 7:41am

Speaking of AWGZ guidelines, what is its rating anyway? I mean, Alphaworld
use to be PG13; I clearly remember seeing that in the world settings for
years...then I look one day and I see its been changed to PG. And then
people go on to say the GZ is rated G. Well, what is it? >_<


In my personal opinion, AWGZ should be pretty lax. If you want censorship
go to AWGate and you'll get more than enough :P

- SW Comit

Mar 17, 2005, 4:56pm

Yeah, usually it is lax and laid back- this is why i was a bit dismayed as
all the atmosphere was sucked outa the usual jovial and jolly lot of cits
crackin jokes and it turned into lockdown. Its good to have chat moderated a
bit if anyone gets blatently out of hand, but the regulars who come to AWGZ
all know the score and usually enjoy interesting conversation and dont go
too far - and most the PK's are totally cool with the way they keep the
peace and dont enforce it like how it seemed that eve..
I can understand the Gate as being the 1st port of call for prespective new
Cits being important and "kept nice", but AWGZ in the time Ive been there
has always been more relaxed- should let conversations develop and not
insult the citizens with a warning before anything has really actually
transpired...
Where will it stop? If we cant mention Jackson's name without gettin a
warning oughtent we get one for mentioning an actors name who appears in an
18rated film for example? Absurd. lol

The AWGZ area is rated PG and the rest of alphaworld is rated PG13 I
think.....

Cheers :))


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Mar 17, 2005, 5:38pm

To my knowledge, all AWI GZ's have been G rated - Of course, this has never
ever been enforced in AWGZ in light of it being the main chat location for
longer-term cits who deserve a bit more leeway.

- Mark R



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Mar 18, 2005, 12:40am

Aye


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Mar 18, 2005, 12:02pm

Your missing the whole point of having a rating in the first place..... you mean the old your cit number is the more you should be allowed to "talk nasty"? Come on guys..... think about it...... why is it there is a rating in the first place? and why is it usually enforced at GZ? come on use your heads for once instead of your egos.

sheeesh


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Mar 18, 2005, 12:04pm

I think thats just it, its hardly ever been enforced at AW. In AW We are not
trying to not scare customers away like the GKs do (yes, you read that
right), so its natural we would represent the more mature area there.

- MR

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Mar 18, 2005, 12:08pm

Alpha World is rated PG. It's a little more lenient than The Gate, but not
much.
And "longer term Cits" should know better.

~ TS

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Mar 18, 2005, 3:07pm

[View Quote] If I read that right _ and you said that I read it right -
then GKs are "trying to *not* scare customers away", right? :p

Dunno, if GKs were bad for business, then I should think that
JP would have scrapped them long ago ;)

--
Mauz
http://mauz.info

Mar 18, 2005, 6:56pm

emm, ya, you're missing the point. the point is, that the older the cit, the
more mature you would probably be. you would be in activeworlds to build and
chat with people you know (maybe not in real life, but hey, they're still
people), and not there to just cause trouble (seeing how most people who
cause trouble are kids, who just got thier cits, or are still tourists) but
instead, have normal adult conversations (most teens would be in, say,
awteen, or teengate, or whereever), and, most adult conversations might have
the occasional swear word without anyone minding.

-SWE

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Mar 18, 2005, 7:14pm

YOUR missing the point also SWE, just like Strike..... sheeesh it's not about YOU it's about the other people in the world that don't want nor need to listen to YOU talk that way.... it's about having respect for others no matter whom they are and where they are.

And when I say YOU I do not mean YOU, SWE it was a metaphor :)


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Mar 18, 2005, 7:33pm

Oh my GOD binaryBUD has turn INTO VEGER.

- MR

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Mar 18, 2005, 7:51pm

Stick to the argument dude.....changing the subject shows your uncertain of your position..


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Mar 18, 2005, 9:58pm

Ok, but see, thats not going to be a problem. the point is, the people who
hang around AW Gz, are the more mature ones, and so, would most definatly
respect people if they are offended by swearing, and so, we wouldn't have
the problem of people being offended.
Grown ups (by that i mean mature people) have been having conversations for
milleniues without anyone need to police them, what makes AW Gz diffrent,
and i mean when it is filled with grown ups, and not the occasional dumbass
it might get.
thing is, if it's offended people, i understand, but if everyones happy with
the conversation taking place, why spoil it?

-SWE

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Mar 21, 2005, 12:50am

In reply to Comit:

http://peacekeeper.net/B.htm

Still says AW is PG-13


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Mar 21, 2005, 1:38am

I have to fully agree with Heretik. This is widely discussed in all the chat
rooms on AOL in the past few weeks and even on the sites main cover news as
well as all over MSN'S main page. Also my local news channels as well as the
national news channels cover the story daily and hour upon hour on TV. It's
no secret to any child or person who lives and breaths in the real world or
who is not overly protected by an adult. I would think it would be a very
good topic and would be interesting to hear the many VERY STRONG
personalities of Active Worlds discussing the topic. I was not present when
this occurred but from what it sounds like Heretik has a valid point here. I
will say however I have been present when PK61 was around before and never
have noticed the PK being overly protective of conversations at the GZ. The
PK might have just made an error in judgment which is very easy to do and I
have heard many other PK's make similar errors in judgment in the past. I do
feel however that if the PK thought it was to deep for the people in the GZ
at that time it was to his full discretion and is why AW intrust the PK to
make such judgments. I mean I don't agree that my state should force me to
wear a seat belt in the car either. Even though I know it saves lives. The
PK'S do a very good job...ALL OF THEM in my opinion including 61. I was
thinking about this and it would be difficult depending on what one feels is
not good for an open forum. It would be difficult for me I know to make such
judgments. Michael Jackson was never able to live a normal life and so if he
is molesting children it would not be a surprise to me. My guess is that he
did molest children but not in the sense that we think of it. He might not
think in his own mind that it is molesting as his childhood was far from
anything normal. His adult life as well. Michael has done amazing things in
the world outside of his music career. He has helped many more people than
he might have not helped. Many children in the world would not have good
care if it were not for his generosities. I know someone who knows directly
the results of Michael's generosity and this child needed his help so badly.
This child I know through a co-worker still receives support from one of
Michael's foundations. Also I must admit that I have always been a Michael
Jackson fan. Born in the same state..LOL. Most of us grew up with him and
it's hard to imagine he did such things. But it's highly likely that he did
knowing the way in which he was raised and protected from the world and the
normal things we all appreciate. His sexual urges were probably never
explored in a normal way or the way most of us might have explored them.
Michael also was probably rarely ever left alone even for a minute when his
body was going through those stages of life. He ALSO might have made an
error in his judgment.

Mar 31, 2005, 10:14pm

Cheers HF,
Yeah its a hard job to do and I respect that- my only gripe is that many
find it insulting to be warned like little kiddies the whole time, many at
AWGZ are usually regulars who come to have fun and chat and do not like to
have someone sayin oh youd better watch out cos you know what you are sayin
might turn into a guideline problem...
Maybe I was overly harsh as PK61 does a great job and is a really nice guy,
I was prolly using it as more of an example..
It wasnt purely Michael Jackson that was the issue- we arnt all kids here
and I personally find it a bit of an insult of intellegence to be warned the
whole time about this and having been here for a whiel and I know how to
talk about things sensibly as do the other people who I converse with- its
pretty obvious usually from the way the conversations head if ya sit back
and listen... theres a time n place for everything.. I dont think anyone
mentioned "talkin nasty" BinaryBud... seems a bit plucked from thin air
that..
I dont think anyone here would want AWGZ to end up like that and it isnt
like that usually either I am glad to say as most people there know how to
talk about things sensibly- and most PK's are really easy going and chilled
in my experience, but you simply cant avoid a subject in this life if its a
bit hard or might offend someone... How do you progress?
If you cant talk about something respectfully like this matter, then it is
usually very evident and then action should be taken obviously.



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