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Mar 31, 2005, 1:44am

One thing that AW needs is a Court System. In RL we have these places called
courts. They are these places that when there is a disagreement between two
parties that solve things in a fair way by allowing the citizens to police
themselves. In this type of system the Police um(PK'S) are also policed and
the Judge and prosecutor are policed. This would help AWI um(ENZO AND JP)
to not have to make decisions that would could cause them to loose one party
and their fees. It would help the PK'S to be trusted and respected by their
citizens and tourists of which many are becoming worried about how the
organization operates and concerned it could happen to them as well as
Duskbat is a great friend to so many of us we feel we could be harassed in a
similar way. As DaBean said below it would make the PK'S stay aligned and
get rid of any of corruption. I vote right off the bat that we have
Ferruccio build the huge marble and gold looking court with some helpers as
I have never seen a court in AW. Maybe one already exist but I have never
found one. You would need to have the citizens vote for a judge and elect a
prosecutor and then you all come together and have a court preceding where
you announce the charges to the public (which really helps peeps to know
what's it all about) and go through jury selection (which would be fun in
VR..(but is not in RL). It would have to be open to the public cause courts
in RL are open to keep things fair and just so the peeps of the land know
what's going on. We could have the awnews press and any other news
media,Radio Stations..even some php Court TV maybe LOL there to cover it or
announce it to all the cit's, lurkers, peeps and tourist. LOL. It would also
be fair to Mr. Duskbat but he would need a lawyer (and Mr. Heretik be a darn
good one in my opinion). You would also have to select a jury and the way
that peeps in RL do this is they allow both parties to select equal number
of jure's. Then if Mr. Duskbat is convicted he would have to suffer the
consequences and not blame AW, PK'S, CITS and take his punishment with
respect. If Mr. Duskbat is acquitted then the PK'S would have to take up a
collection amongst themselves to pay for Mr. Duskbats attorneys expenses and
fees. Fork over for his next years citizenship. I think this would be very
fair. For all you virtual citizens glued to your Virtual Worlds there is a
channel that humans watch called Court TV that will give you examples of how
this all operates and the channel has the highest ratings on human TV
programing now for some years. AWI could maybe get some new cits just from
peeps chatting about it to their human friends that don't live in the
Virtual World. Jurors would need access to a private world to make their
decisions in total privacy and not be allowed to discuss it outside of that
world and unfortunately in this type of areana since no laws are written
yet the Jurors themselves along with the judges help would need to decide a
just punishment if needed. Of course if the PK'S don't fork over for Mr.
Duskbats 1 year citizen ship Mr. Duskbat could take them to court and sue
them. But let me warn you 1 lawsuit brings on many more and eventually 1
judge and 1 prosecutor would not be able to handle all the cases and then
citizens would be emailing AWI complaining of long lines and weeks of time
to sue someone and then AWI would just have to delete the court and eject
everyone. LOL, HF

Mar 31, 2005, 2:20am

That's a very long paragraph you wrote there, HighFlier. You might want
to break your post into smaller paragraphs next time so it is easier to
read.

-Builderz

Mar 31, 2005, 2:39am

You are correct Builderz.
Sorry about it but I used a spell checker and it aligned that way. I then
forgot to break the paragraphs back apart and did a copy and paste. Was to
late once I realized it. I could have put the un-spelled checked version for
you but then you might complain of the spelling instead. !!!

Mar 31, 2005, 4:41am

atleast it wasnt types like one of my posts!!

HF i will re read in the morning when i wake up ;

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Mar 31, 2005, 4:44am

lol that's funny you mention Ferruccio...I tried to get him to build a
courthouse for SW City forever. Just not interested though him X_X
On a side note, if you want to see my courthouse... AW 1672S 4786E 270
It's a lil' small, but, that was sorta the intention :P

- SW Comit

Mar 31, 2005, 5:56am

wait wait ........court house ...judges.........lawyers......and who's
going to pay the lawyers????

[View Quote] > lol that's funny you mention Ferruccio...I tried to get him to build a
> courthouse for SW City forever. Just not interested though him X_X
> On a side note, if you want to see my courthouse... AW 1672S 4786E 270
> It's a lil' small, but, that was sorta the intention :P
>
> - SW Comit

Mar 31, 2005, 11:07am

Lol- HF's ya got a point-

In any civilised society there is a judicial system which serves to protect
the community, the citezens and the law enforcers (for want of a better
word).

In situations like Duskbats, a hearing could take place involving impatial
Cits aswell as the Keepers or something... might seem stupid to take things
to this sort of extreme in VR, but it would be an interesting a progression
in manyways..

As HF makes the point- Duskbat is a paying customer of ActiveWorlds, and
despite all the disclaimers- customers do have rights in many ways, be
interesting to see how far legally in RL one could take this sort of matter
Lol.- Yep HF your right- Lawsuits can get on a bandwagon- could it be not
too far in the future people are sueing for alledged violations of thier
Virtual Lives? Interestnig thought lol

AW does have disclaimers in place- and a lot of internet companies in this
field are pretty much unregulated at present, though there are still basic
requirements for any company legally to supply a certain ammount of
responsibilty to its customers, and I am sure it could be argued in a court
in some way or form if one really had the time and tnasity and bloody
mindness to make a point lol- could have interesting outcomes... not my idea
of fun though :P

Indeed it seems so easy to sue these days for practically anything... and if
mentioning Michael Jackson is seen as problematic, wait until the RL legal
world touches VR lol -ofcourse if it ever really happens...Interesting
paradox though huh?

Dunno if its that practicle, but it would be neat in a way to have a 3rd
impartial cit or cit/s involved in the sort of decision that has been made
for in the example of Duskbat- as anything that encourages the involvement
of the core and cits workin together can do nothing but further
understanding of how and why things should work- and ofcourse highlight the
bits that dont and sort em out..

But at the end of the day.. we're all here for fun and it shouldnt be
nessasary!!! *picks up a pinch of salt*

Personally- if I pay for a service which has guidelines, Ill try and stick
to em, though I certainly do think anyone should have the chance to respond
to any accusations, instead of some secret ballot taking place and then
justice being meated out.
And as in any society/community there should be room for progression, all
these rules of the core were written a long time ago now it would seem..
maybe they are in need of a facelift? This is the 21st century :)

"Workin towards a better VR" :P

Heretik.

Im off ta build something cool, Peace out.



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Mar 31, 2005, 12:11pm

and which country's laws are we going to use?

Mar 31, 2005, 2:09pm

lol a kangaroo court?
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Mar 31, 2005, 3:08pm

If there was indeed a way to have fairly have unbiased juries and
some sort of system to have order in the court room it might add to a more
fair way of handling things. There would have be guide lines for age
and what could and what could not be entered into evidence. People would
have respect for the system and is what I see as the main trouble
of trying to have that system. Just look at contests and how people
feel they are treated unfairly. What could the courts rule anyway AWI
has give free time on cits and cits have pay more to AWI? Don't
see that as enforceable. I have found PKs to try to be fair in most
cases. Sometimes the truth is hard to find in VR because that is the
nature of VR . Best Luck of see you in court. :)

Mar 31, 2005, 6:53pm

however one would need to prove certain things which can only be done by
AWI (original chat text etc) not gonna happen guys and dolls :-)


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Apr 1, 2005, 5:39pm

Comit can do a much better job at a courthouse, and he did ^_^

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Apr 4, 2005, 5:04pm

Yes we know this Linn, Linn you could be the Clerk of the Court. HA! and yes
the Court House noted above by SW Comit would work just fine. I saw the
place and happend onto it while hunting for nuggests of all things and a man
was there in the court Room and asked what I was doing there and to please
not fly in the court room. I'm not kidding you about this.. The Court House
does have the powerful look to it that it would need to deal with folks such
as us. heehee

Apr 5, 2005, 1:46am

I need to see this courthouse tell coords please?


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Apr 5, 2005, 3:17am

AW 1672S 4786E 270

It's a small courthouse with only one courtroom in it, upstairs. Someday
I'd like to have a full size courthouse though.


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