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Dec 12, 2002, 11:22pm

I agree. This is a nice trade-off. Active Worlds brought the platform into existance and many companies now have the chance to benefit from it. Now some of those companies can do a little PR for the platform, so that Active Worlds can benefit from it. Saves a little money over at Active Worlds Inc., which the citizens of Active Worlds should all appreciate. :)

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Dec 12, 2002, 11:31pm

Well, considering he hasn't mentioned anything in their software that isn't already in other software (such as Active Worlds) and hasn't really directly stated what the program was like, but rather only that it didn't seem worth such a huge download, he didn't really release any proprietary information... it's a grey area, but I think he's safe as long as he stops there. After all, he could just as easily have said that Active Worlds wouldn't be worth a Gigabyte of download just to try out, or that some past beta version of Active Worlds that offers nothing new and hasn't got the bugs worked out yet doesn't seem with a Gigabyte of download. None of that is really product specific. Still, better to be careful... in my opinion. :)

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Dec 12, 2002, 11:33pm

Me too... and I don't know what the kind of agreement that comes with... but since he really didn't mention anything specific about it, I don't suppose it matters.

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Dec 12, 2002, 11:39pm

Yep... those who have realistic expectations will probably be happy with it, and I think that's great. Those with unrealist expectations will be let down, and I think that's a real shame. Of course, there will be plenty of each, but when it's all over the net result will be more exposure of the idea of interactive communities in online 3D worlds, which I still believe will benefit all of us who have already grown to appreciate such things, and Active Worlds may not always be the leader, but if they don't try to be another follower they will at least always be setting a good example of what's possible. I think that's something to be proud of, and I'm proud to be a part of it.

TechnoZeus

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Dec 13, 2002, 12:08am

Ok

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Dec 13, 2002, 3:01am

Maybe they don't know about AW yet... but if they don't, they will. The bigger they get, the harder it will be for them to overlook or ignore the fact that there's a reason the trail they're blazing it so easy to cut a path through. :)

TechnoZeus

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Dec 13, 2002, 9:22am

Once again, I don't see it as a problem at all but rather a positive catalyst for change... and as for some people believing every word of it, I suppose that's possible, but I got a bit of a laugh out of the part that says you can't change your clothes in real life. :)

TechnoZeus

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Dec 14, 2002, 5:55am

Because Active Worlds has been around long enough not to need publicity stunts that would only backfire in the long run anyway, or claims of things that we can look supposedly look forward to in the near future such as the nude avatars so many people are now expecting to see on stage at a popular event next year. We have a "real" on-line community. There are real people here doing real things. Some play games. Some do business. Some just pass the time. Some build. Some study. Some teach. Some only come to talk with friends, and some people spend time in Active Worlds for different reasons every day. If we want to get Active Worlds some extra attention, there's no need to exploit people's tendancies to believe things without proof, because we're not short on proof. On the other hand, if such tendancies are exploited by someone to take the attention away from Active Worlds, that will only work with "some" of the people, and in my opinion those that is doesn't work as well with tend to be nicer to have on our side anyway. :)

TechnoZeus

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Dec 12, 2002, 11:46pm

Skinned avatars would be nice, yes. Not necessarily restricted to single skinned though, as that limits what can be done. I wonder if anyone could talk Active Worlds into hiring Wayne Hogue as an addition to their development team. There's a person who could help shed a little light on the possibility of supporting more formats of objects and avatars. :)

TechnoZeus

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Dec 14, 2002, 6:47am

It takes a very non-selfish attitude to want to help get software theough the beta stage, and I think the fact that so many in our community are willing to make such a sacrafice really says something posative about what we've got going here. :) By the way... still quite a few bugs to work out, but it looks like most of the big ones are gone. Hopefully the smaller ones won't be hiding in hard to find places... but we're working hard on testing it and the development team is doing a great job of communicating with us lately, both listening to our comments and keeping us up to date through the beta newsgroup.

TechnoZeus

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Dec 14, 2002, 6:53am

He could have meant many different things by "unusable" depending on the context. If nothing else, it may act as study materials or an example to test variations of, but it may also be almost ready and just not useable in a release version of AW without fixing the bugs first. One way or another, I think it's nice that they know where the code is. :)

TechnoZeus

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Dec 13, 2002, 12:58pm

It means that your news reader program downloaded the header that tells who wrote the message and what the subject was while it was still there, but somebody deleted the message from the newsgroup server before your news reader program tried to download the message body (the rest of the message).

In other words, it's not just happening to you. When you see that, it means the message isn't available to download because it was deleted from the server.

TechnoZeus

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Dec 15, 2002, 7:42am

This kind of renaming holidays, and changing dates of holidays, and combining holidays, and shifting the meaning of holidays is not unique to Christmas. As a matter of fact it's extremely common, and to me not the least bit surprising. After, holiday celebrations are held on the actual day of the events or conditions they are meant to tribute, but rather on days chosen to remember what may otherwise be forgotten... and even with such days picked, memory fades and there's little we can do about it.

Take my birthday, for example. I was "born" on May 27th of 1964. Most people would probably tell you that places my "first birthday" on May 27th of 1965, but as a matter of fact the day of my birth doesn't happen once a year. It happened once, and that's all... so the anniversary of a person's birth is celebrated and a "birthday" has come to be defined roughly as the date on which you were born, without regard to the year. Well, that would mean the one in 1965 when I turned 1 year old was my second one, not my first. How many people realize that when they turn 29, that's their 30th birthday? Does it even matter? Modern Christmas is a lot of holidays rolled up into one, and as far as I'm concerned there's no harm in each person choosing to celebrate what ever they think should be celebrated on that day... as long as doing so doesn't spoil the celebration that other people are trying to enjoy at the same time.

By the way, somebody pointed out that the word "holiday" came from "holy day" and I know that to a lot of people the word "holy" connected to anything gives an immediate religeous meaning, but most of those same people, based on my experiences in talking with people about such subjects, don't have a clue what the word "holy" actually meant at the time that it got into the religeous documents that they've learned it from... so here's the answer: It means "healing" as in something that makes you "whole" or "well" and a "holiday" is, or at least "was" a day of rest, or a day in which to allow yourself time to heal and become well. All the commercial value of the Christmas holiday isn't really good or bad on it's own, but rather can be taken in any number of ways. People "expecting" presents is what's bad, in my opinion. If someone gives you a smile, accept it. Maybe even be nice enough to give them one in return. They cost you nothing. If someone gives you something that cost them time or money or shows that they took the time to think of what might make you happy then consider it something special that wasn't in any way required or expected, and be happy that you know someone who feels that way about you. If all you get for Christmas is some solitude, then do your best to enjoy it because there are those of us who hope that everyone has a good day, not just on the holidays, but every day... and in my opinion, knowing that should be reason enough to celebraty.

TechnoZeus

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Dec 17, 2002, 3:24am

March 1st was good... made a little more sence out of why February is a short month. :)

TZ

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Dec 16, 2002, 2:03am

Every country has it's share of things that are "not very cool" though. That doesn't mean there are no good points to be found.

TechnoZeus

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Dec 17, 2002, 2:17am

We can have "Earth related" objects, without regard to whether they are China related or not. It's not like China was the only country ever to build a really big fence, or a fortress style or castle style wall. If someone likes or dislikes it because it reminds them of China, they have a right to feel that way if they... it's their feelings. Personally, I don't see any reason to judge mere objects on such an arbitrary basis.

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Dec 17, 2002, 11:47am

I miss The Gate. I wish they would bring it back.

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Dec 19, 2002, 7:56am

Whether or not it sounds sarcastiv, I would think, would depend on your point of view. For example, I happen to know that Seiya does some really nice work, so that's one reason I wouldn't think it sounded sarcastic. Granted, I never have been good at recognizing sarcasm, but I think it's better to not be very good at spotting it than to see it everywhere you look. Considere this... if it had been meant in a sarcastic way and someone treated it seriously and said "Thanks for the recommendation" they would have been a good way of discouraging rudeness and sarcasm because rude sarcastic remarks tend not to have the intended effect if treated as serious statements. On the other hand, if the statement was seriously kind and sincere (which I think it was in this case) then a response of "Thanks for the recommendation" would encourage such sincerity and kindness. Compare that with the possible results of assuming that a statement was meant to be rude and sarcastic, and I think it's pretty easy to see that if you really feel that way about it you're still going to do the most good by treating the statement as serious and well intentioned, or simply stating your own opinion and letting the other person have theirs.

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Dec 19, 2002, 8:05am

I didn't take what you said as an attack. I didn't take what Jonny B said as an attack. In fact, I haven't taken anything I've seen in this thread so far as an attack. I can easily see how someone "could" take a lot of it as attacks, and it looks to me like that's happening and people are trying to defend what they think is right... so my suggestion for anyone who cares to listen to it, is to take what people say at face value and don't see it as fight talk unless they make it so obvious that even the people who see peace and good will in a war zone would consider it fight talk... and if it's that obvious, try not to join in. :)

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Dec 19, 2002, 8:09am

Sign of the past, from my perspective. I'm looking toward a brighter future.


TechnoZeus

(mayby that's why I have these dark sunglasses on at home in the middle of the night even thought the lights are off. hehe)

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Dec 20, 2002, 8:42am

I didn't understand your definition, but I'm pretty sure I understood your intentions, and if I'm correct about that then I wouldn't have anything to argue with you about because that would mean I agree with you.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks to me like you're basically saying that if there is a case of bashing or flaming or any other unacceptable behavior that a person feels is bad enough to deserve being dealt with, they should either deal with it as politely as possible or let the moderator deal with it. I also feel that's the best way to handle such cases, or anything that we may "see as" such a case.

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Dec 21, 2002, 11:48am

I have at least 50 fonts on this computer system, and only a few of them are ones that I made myself, but all of the ones you just used came out looking like Arial here. My other system has a lot more fonts, but the chances of having the "same" ones are pretty slim I would think.

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Dec 22, 2002, 11:20am

And why wouldn't she, Jacob? You've been so frieldly and cheerful. :)

TechnoZeus

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Dec 22, 2002, 6:59pm

The question you asked was "Why should everyone else have to download it?" and I think Anarkissed answered that by pointing out that people who wish not to download large posts can spot them by looking at the size since that information is in the header. You also stated that "There isn't any reason to post in HTML other than to be difficult." which is entirely untrue. There are other reasons to post in HTML, even if people who have chosen software that deprives them of the benefits can't see those reasons.

As for discouraging people from sending HTML posts "all the time" I really don't think that's necessary but obviously some people think it's not only necessary but even worth being rude about, even if the person they are being rude to was very obviously trying to be nice. Personally, I think it's more important to discourage rude posts than to discourage HTML posts, but that's just my point of view.

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Dec 24, 2002, 8:15am

I guess when a person starts celebrating is a matter of choice, really. Sounds like Jacob is celebrating already, and enjoying it rather noticeably. Perhaps we could learn something from that attitude. :)

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Dec 24, 2002, 10:27am

Well, I don't expect to be getting any presents, and I can't afford to be buying any for other people, but I intend to enjoy the holiday anyway. If presents are what make you happy, then I hope you get exactly the ones you would like most to get. :)

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Dec 24, 2002, 3:04pm

:)

TZ

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Dec 25, 2002, 9:39am

Hehe. Yep. I figured that out a while ago when I went to post a reply in the thread. Still... it was good for a luagh, the way it fit in so contrastingly with the comment that followed it. :)

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Dec 26, 2002, 8:20pm

Not necessarily.

Some teachings spread Christmas over a 12 day period symbolizing a range of days such as from the birth of Christ to the baptism of Christ or from the birth of Jesus of Natareth to the day he was visited by the foreign astrologers mages or "wise men" depending on the particular teachings.

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Jan 4, 2003, 11:05am

I wondered about that too. Technically, it makes no less sense than saying one-hundred-eleventh birthday, and would probably be understood by most children who can count past thirty in English even if they haven't yet been taught how to could past thirty-nine. :) Actually, it's the tenties and twelvties that throw most kids off. Eleventies come naturally. :)

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