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Dec 20, 2002, 3:33am

Several debates over the past few months have been of similar nature, but I
want to touch on this little topic of vigilante justice within these
newsgroups. This is an extension of a private conversation that I've had
with one individual.

Now, when I say vigilante justice, I define this in this way. Quote: "
everytime someone posts an opinion worthless, or a bash, they should be
rammed with posts telling them to stop rather the defended, then they may
stop"
I do not support this type of moderation. And here's why.

1.) Moderators, namely Enzo, are here for a purpose. It is not up to us to
do their job now that they are active and currently watch this newsgroup
daily.
2.) Let's establish that what people post here are opinions. Having said
that, this type of tactic, which has been used liberally in the past, is
exactly why people do not post here out of fear of being attacked
themselves. It is very hard to tell who will take offense to said posted
opinion.
3.) It's contradictory. Case in point. One person posts a comment that
sounds like it is veiled in sarcasm. Someone decides to berate that person
for that comment. Unfortunately, that someone is wrong in their assessment.
Therefore they themselves are berated. These are two conflicting examples
of vigilante justice used in one encounter! Sound familiar? Ramming people
with posts is entirely subjective. Who is to decide who is in the wrong?
They themselves may be wrong.

I dare you to argue with me on this.

Chris

Dec 20, 2002, 4:04am

There all opinions. That's what makes vigilantes work. o_O

--Bowen--

Dec 20, 2002, 8:42am

I didn't understand your definition, but I'm pretty sure I understood your intentions, and if I'm correct about that then I wouldn't have anything to argue with you about because that would mean I agree with you.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks to me like you're basically saying that if there is a case of bashing or flaming or any other unacceptable behavior that a person feels is bad enough to deserve being dealt with, they should either deal with it as politely as possible or let the moderator deal with it. I also feel that's the best way to handle such cases, or anything that we may "see as" such a case.

TechnoZeus

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Dec 21, 2002, 5:47am

Yes, Technozeus you're right. The definition was not mine, but for their
sake I won't disclose the source. But basically it is as you read it.
Flame, bombard, and bash them out of the newsgroups. There are people on
this newsgroup who feel, or hopefully at least "felt", that way.

Chris

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Dec 21, 2002, 12:09pm

I think we all know there are people who feel that way, and I think we all
know who they are. You don't need to read back too far to find them -- it's
always the same ones that jump in at the drop of a hat and unleash their
insults and vitriol. I think you're mistaken that it's vigilante justice --
that infers almost a sense of nobility that just doesn't exist in these
people or their actions. The little group that does the bashing, flaming,
and insulting are just people with similar personality problems and a whole
lot of hostility who recognized that similarity in each other and
gravitated toward each other, rationalizing their disgusting behavior to
each other. It's not 'vigilante justice' -- it's just plain old meanness.

Hopefully now that enzo is spending more time reading in here, he will see
those same few popping up time and again with their ugliness, realize the
impact to the majority of his customers, and he'll get rid of them for us.
Then we can start having some meaningful discussions in here that will
benefit the community.

Kerstin

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Dec 22, 2002, 12:36am

I agree. It's ironic that the few who consistently flame and insult
mistakes, intentional attention-seeking attacks, and/or professions of
beliefs or opinions are always using the excuse that "most" the people in
the newsgroup are not like the people they attack. But most people in the
newsgroup aren't attacking either.

It's minority against minority many times in a flame war. I hope the people
on the other end of the flaming spectrum will get their just desserts too.
It takes two to tango, afterall.

--
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From the Newbie's Guide to the AW NG v. 4.0:

"Nornny - Creator of the LSD-enduced trip known as Newsgroup Survivor, this
guy's another one that can be filed under the "Tries Too Hard" category,
except instead of getting people to hate him, he apparently wants people to
think he's insane. So far, it appears to be working."
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