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binarybud // User Search
binarybud // User Search
Jan 10, 2002, 9:56pm
Hi Imagine!
Wanted to post this so others will see also....but you might wanna
get ahold of Belladora in the world "Castles" she is an artist and
poet...and has had some things published too...:).:)
Leo :) aka BinaryBud
[View Quote]"imagine" <imagines1 at mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:3c3e2698 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> I don't see what my age has to do with my question, but if you must know I
> am 42.
> How old are you blasto?
> I asked for email replys. I didn't post this BOOKS? post to start
> arguements.
> If you are asking my age as a set up to a rude comment; BACK OFF.
> Imagine
>
> blasto <GovDion at subdimension.com> wrote in message
> news:3c3e1d5e$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> all
who
> in
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> a
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Jan 30, 2002, 6:13pm
but the point is you ARE being stupid ..... the "remove me" links are nothing more than a "confirmed email address" page....
When you reply to those it just confirms to them that they now have a "live" email address.......Ignore them...delete it outright
or filter it....but never reply to them that's what they want...;)
oh and no offense meant by the "being stupid" thing....lol
been there, done that, forgot most of it. hehehe
Leo :) aka BinaryBud
[View Quote]"cozmo" <b.nolan2 at verizon.net> wrote in message news:3c584eec$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> dont always work....all of a sudden im getting lots of porn and emails
> promising me ciagra and nonsense like that. it had to of been some site i
> entered my e-mail in but all the unsubsribe links take me to a proffesional
> looking unsubsribe page with a contact page and everything (prolly fake) but
> no matter how many times you put it in there it never stops. But im not
> stupid and im taking action.
>
> I have this program that tracks the IP and figures out which ISP they sent
> it from. I send a letter to the abuse with a spam alert and then the ISP
> will most likely cancel their ISP account, even if its a hotmail adress.
>
> "trekkerx" <zac at commatron.com> wrote in message
> news:3c57808b at server1.Activeworlds.com...
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Feb 20, 2002, 8:26pm
Also keeping in mind the physical size(read that virtual physical size hehehe) of a world has nothing to do with it's storage size
on a hard drive....:) only the number of objects in that world does....and that AW is not 1% full but WAS almost filled.....that
is why they stopped the use of building bots in AW a while back ....so they could re-do the database because it was at it's
"physical limits" with the number of records it could store. Just wanted to clear that up....lol
Leo :) aka BinaryBud
[View Quote]"foxmccloud" <FoxMcCloud at cyberbrain.com> wrote in message news:3c72e345$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> I totally agree with you. AW is a drain of resources, and we don't need a world that big anyway (the fact that it's 1% full is a
proof of that. What kind of server would they shall we try to fill it?)
> It's not going to happen, but I'd just like them to make a new, more reasonably-sized public building world (like 1/50 of AW's
size), with all new well thought objects and textures, and just completely delete alphaworld off their hard drives, it's just
taking up disk space :P
>
> The old timers wouldn't like it, but would the newbies care? In just a few months it'd be all forgotten.
>
> Fox Mc Cloud
>
>
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Feb 22, 2002, 6:01pm
ownership is the key...... AWCOM owns it all people sheeesh.... if ya don't like what they do then go elswhere it's real
simple.
nobody is forcing you guys to go through all this pain your bringing it upon yourselves...:) lol
[View Quote]"ananas" <vha at oct31.de> wrote in message news:3C75533F.5809FDC7 at oct31.de...
> If there would not be a bot rights field in the world
> options, it would be OK. But there is such an entry,
> like your appartement door has a lock.
> Is this lock just a proposal? Or do you allow the people,
> who have the house master key, to come in without informing
> you?
>
> moff piett wrote:
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Feb 22, 2002, 6:25pm
sheeesh you guy make me laugh Mr. Grimm was freak'in testing his software to improve what your complaining about.... the
software.... take a chill pill and go outside for a bit hey?
Leo :)
[View Quote]"filmkr" <nospam at privacy.com> wrote in message news:3C769399.DBFF3695 at privacy.com...
> Last week we found that a user was attempting to sell Path passwords. This has led
> to a criminal complaint being filed that is now being looked into by the F.B.I.
> The evidence is pretty damning. Attempting to sell stolen property of any kind
> across state lines is serious and federal. Now that person said it was done via a
> browser which certainly sounded odd. Now Mgrimn announced he used a supreme pass
> to gather information. That certainly places the activity under a very highly
> suspicious nature. The passwords that were stolen included commercial property.
> Based on AW's own figures reported to the SEC on the value of such object property
> the crime is very much a felony and not just under state laws. This one was
> interstate and includes several federal violations. All I can say is GOD help the
> guilty and all those who in any way aided or contributed to the crime. The expense
> of retooling a path is not small and either is law enforcement's investigations.
> This activity by someone outside of AW's office certainly smells very fishy and
> simply should have never taken place. There is no legitimate reason for it.
>
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> holistic1 wrote:
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Feb 22, 2002, 6:28pm
[View Quote]"filmkr" <nospam at privacy.com> wrote in message news:3C7690AD.5CD1558F at privacy.com...
> AW may or may not own the software but the contents of the world become copyrighted
> property of their creator under U.S. Law and AW offering up a right to a stranger
> outside of it's offices to come in and copy any portion of what you wrote may very
> well be considered copyright infringement among other things.
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what the hell are you smok'in son Mr. Grimm workds for AWCOM how the hell is he a "stranger"? LOL i trust him more than i
trust any one of you.....sorry...don't mean to be offensive. just the facts.....:)
Feb 22, 2002, 6:40pm
your a hoot why you wasting so much time and effort on nothing? LOL sheesh go make something that helps. and BTW most
everything thats done illegal in AW is done by minors anyhow..... what good does it do to even track them down when it's of no
use "legally" anyhow.
[View Quote]"filmkr" <nospam at privacy.com> wrote in message news:3C76A8C0.365B9A8A at privacy.com...
> Feeble excuse! Let them play their tests in their own worlds! Create a second universe for it.. that takes about 5 minutes
> time. Don't invade private owners property and then use an excuse that loose. He does not even reside in AW's offices. Why
> should I trust this person at all who violated my privacy and property? Heck, test in Flagg's 50 worlds... most of the worlds on
> the list are AW Owned... stay out of the privates! As it sits now the FBI has to look into him as well as AW since they also had
> access to the property which was stolen. Just as they would have to look into everyone who had keys to an apartment that was
> robbed.
>
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>
> binarybud wrote:
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Feb 22, 2002, 6:41pm
LOL
[View Quote]"filmkr" <nospam at privacy.com> wrote in message news:3C76A7C1.ECCB1367 at privacy.com...
> Read again KAH! I was pointing out how AW DOES NOT!!!! Own the copyrights to
> other's intellectual property. I showed an example of how absurd people who
> are saying AW owns the software so they have free rein over to do as they wish
> is simply not legal! I am very well versed in intellectual properties,
> copyrights, entertainment and the publishing arts.
>
> kah wrote:
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Feb 25, 2002, 3:15pm
grow up and try learning a little about what you speak.
[View Quote]"filmkr" <nospam at privacy.com> wrote in message news:3C76A6F2.9BFC5CA8 at privacy.com...
> Wrong Binary... I know you have been around for ages. AW owns the software perhaps... that is really to be seen, but that aside,
> when they SELL and give with that SALE, "FREE" items which the "FREE" items became part of the advertised "Inducement to
> purchase" then they have to honor those FREE items. As for use... they are not allowed to claim rights to intellectual property
> designed by others. AW does not create the Laws of the United States... they must abide by them! They sold worlds and
> advertised certain reasons for owning a world of your own. They cannot go back and change that unless they wish false
> advertising, fraud and a array of other suits and charges brought upon them. Like I said, do what you want to new people but
> we purchased worlds that came with "FREE" Citizenships that renewed with the world payments. Keep in mind the worlds were
> purchased with ONE TIME Software fee. The world license was the only renewable part. The FREE Cits can NEVER be legally
> charged for so long as the world renewal fees are current.
>
> Now I would think since AW posted they had financial problems and needed to hike prices for that reason the last thing they
> should be doing is placing themselves in legal jeopardy for foolish reasons that will gain them zero but cost them everything!
> Have they not noticed the masses that have left because of their BAD BLOOD Tactics of the past 45 days?
>
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> binarybud wrote:
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Feb 25, 2002, 3:26pm
ok how about this.....they send a letter out to ASK permission to get the indexing info...and all hell breaks loose in the
newsgroups debating on how and why they should or should not index each world.....got the idea? you people are a waste of their
time and effort.......sit back and enjoy the ride....or get the hell off the ride......:) your starting to ruin the fun for the
people who are in this for fun....;) They are planning the future of their SOFTWARE not your social future..... don't be so
hard on them for trying.
Leo :)
[View Quote]"kah" <kah at kahnews.cjb.net> wrote in message news:3c77b96c$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> uhm... MrGrimm said he copyed the title, greeting and keywords... that's the
> property of the owner of the world. Ok, so it isn't as bad as querying the
> world and copying it, but it's a matter of principle, because they could do
> just that later on.
> Entering a world to build a search index is "something", so they shouldn't
> have done it without permission. If they had *asked* I'm pretty sure about
> everyone would've let them, but when they don't it's a breach of privacy and
> copyright. You wouldn't like it if your landlord came into your house
> without asking first, even if it was his house, would you? (in this case, it
> isn't even the AWC's own property, so you could look at them as burglars
> entering the house). No, I'm not petty, your comments about my bot don't
> change my feelings about what you're saying on *this* subject. Maybe you are
> petty because you automatically assume I was being petty? Heard about
> integrity?
>
> KAH
>
> <snip>
>
>
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Feb 25, 2002, 3:30pm
AWLD 1 has always been there and you know it. ALWAYS if you were not aware of it then that's where the problem lies.
AWLD 1 is needed and quite acceptable.....they can come to my world anytime and inspect it. not a problem. if you have a problem
with it then you need to find another playground they own this one...:)
Leo :)
[View Quote]"macb" <Z at X.Y> wrote in message news:3C795789.70102 at X.Y...
> zeo toxion wrote:
>
>
>
> What definition of BACKDOOR are you using? Something that does
> something that it was not intended to do is usually referred to as a
> "Side Effect".
>
>
> Check this:
>
> --------------------------------
> http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/B/backdoor.html
>
> BACKDOOR: Also called a trapdoor. An undocumented way of gaining access
> to a program, online service or an entire computer system. The backdoor
> is written by the programmer who creates the code for the program. It is
> often only known by the programmer. A backdoor is a potential security risk.
> --------------------------------
>
> I and a couple of others are using the term properly. An INTENTIONAL
> bit of code put in by the programmers (for whatever reason).
>
> You and other keep getting this confused with "What the bot did." and I
> think most of us agree that the bot did not do any harm in this
> particular case. So there is no need to keep explaining that to us.
>
> Now read the last sentence of that definition: "A backdoor is a
> potential security risk."
>
> That has nothing to do with the competence of the programmer. It has
> to do with the ability of a dishonest insider, or a hacker on the
> outside becoming aware of the backdoor and how to access it. And I know
> with a fair degree of certainty that this has been done on occasion.
>
> How do we know the backdoor exists in the first place? Because people
> (AWLD people) have used it in the past and slipped up and left tracks.
> Just like they did this time, except in the past the tracks have been
> things like screwed up builders lists etc. We KNOW, we have EXPERIENCED
> this, we are not just hypothesizing here.
>
> It was NOT necessary to build the database (whatever the database
> actually is), since the information could have been solicited from
> interested world owners.
>
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Feb 25, 2002, 5:07pm
using an analogy......
point being it's their "book"...... and they have every right to post and publish an INDEX to ALL of it...:)
whether you want/or like them to do it.....:) everyone needs to quit "bucking the system" and quit doing it with the claim of
"privacy" or "rights" THEY own the software...:) don't like it play elswhere :)
[View Quote]"sw chris" <chrisw10 at nckcn.com> wrote in message news:3c7a830c$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> The software is our social future. That is its purpose.
>
> If they ask, a debate would spring up, sure. But each person owning a world
> would be individually responsible for allowing or not allowing the world to
> be indexed. The debate that would inevitably happen wouldn't matter much at
> all.
>
> SW Chris
>
> "binarybud" <lmauk at traverse.net> wrote in message
> news:3c7a73d1$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> indexing info...and all hell breaks loose in the
> world.....got the idea? you people are a waste of their
> the ride......:) your starting to ruin the fun for the
> their SOFTWARE not your social future..... don't be so
> news:3c77b96c$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> the
> the
> do
> shouldn't
> about
> and
> case, it
> are
>
>
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Feb 25, 2002, 5:35pm
point is there is NOTHING illegal about it . so stop crying about it. sheeesh like you have something you want private so
lets go put it in an Active Worlds World that's pretty safe huh? LOL you guys are a hoot fer sure. hehehe
[View Quote]"silenced" <nospam at privacy.com> wrote in message news:3c7a9131$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> Contract? I don't remember signing a contract. An illegal business practice
> is an illegal business practice. (that is using a backdoor to get
> information that is not allowed.. ie using a bot when bots aren't allowed)
>
> -Silenced
>
> "dion" <GovDion at subdimension.com> wrote in message
> news:3c7a90ea$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> quit
> a
> hell
> future
> keywords...
> they
> bot
>
>
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Feb 25, 2002, 5:52pm
just trying to enlighten you guys.....pay attention....it's real simple....there is not a "back door" it's account AWLD1 they
have access to everything they always have, and always will...it's their software....please write this down so you remember...:)
[View Quote]"silenced" <nospam at privacy.com> wrote in message news:3c7a9328$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> Uh, I'm not crying about it. It's very illegal to use a backdoor to get
> information on something. I would just liked to have known if they were
> going to do this.. maybe a universe message would've been nice. Why do
> people complain about other people complaining? If you don't like it, don't
> read it, simple as that. Much less respond to it.
>
> -Silenced
>
> "binarybud" <lmauk at traverse.net> wrote in message
> news:3c7a9213$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> sheeesh like you have something you want private so
> you guys are a hoot fer sure. hehehe
> news:3c7a9131$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> practice
> allowed)
> about
> choice
> post
> it
> owning
> the
> matter
> permission to
> index
> the
> as
> because
> they
> pretty
> breach of
> your
> (in
> as
> my
> subject.
> Heard
>
>
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Feb 28, 2002, 7:45pm
This is a warning to all those who have not protected themselves....Do Not enter this world : SunLand as it stands now when
you say hello ...... his bot it will do a port scan on your machine so see what is "open" BTW mine checked out pretty good
hehehehe but...be forwarned... if your not secure then do not do this. this guy is up to no good people....
Leo :)
Mar 1, 2002, 12:13pm
hey gang;
All i can say at this time is i am sorry you all had to hear my end of this... he was fer sure pushing my buttons hehehe .....and
yes these were my words...this guy is nothing but trouble.... and he had me upset at the fact he was taking advantage of innocent
citizens.... I was also told by AW that he has been openly trying to gleen passwords from newbies with the "intent" of "helping"
them.... i don't like parasites like this guy and he needs to go elsewhere to harrass people.... :) anyone wanting his side of
the "discussion" can email me and request it.
Leo :)
[View Quote]"sunofsolaris" <thelonesoul at hotmail.com> wrote in message news:3c7ebf9e at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> In response to this silly man, please read some of the following telegrams
> posted to my by Leo, (please read my comments following) :-
>
> Telegram from BinaryBud, sent Thu Feb 28, 2002 17:29:
> i was coding idiot before you had your diapers removed LOL
>
> Telegram from BinaryBud, sent Thu Feb 28, 2002 17:30:
> Try 72 idiot i started with COBOL remember that ? lol
>
> Telegram from BinaryBud, sent Thu Feb 28, 2002 17:32:
> i've coded in them all...... lanuage is nothing.. logic rulez
>
> Telegram from BinaryBud, sent Thu Feb 28, 2002 17:39:
> this is all elementary stuff punk all easyly gleed off the web..... shit
> i've forgot most of that shit..... and like i said i do not need to prove
> a thing to you..... tell ya what.... when you lose your access to AW let
> me know...;)
>
> Telegram from BinaryBud, sent Thu Feb 28, 2002 17:43:
> www.leomauk.com idiot...;) it's an old site not done a thing with it for
> years but my resume is there idiot...;)
>
> Telegram from BinaryBud, sent Thu Feb 28, 2002 17:45:
> what the fuck you talking about hehehe i code for a living asshole i
> can write anything you want boner.... explain that last post
>
> Telegram from BinaryBud, sent Thu Feb 28, 2002 17:46:
> i wrote those before you were walking asshole and made a ton of cash on
> them too hehhehe live and learn i'm done with your time wasting
> embelishment prove yourself idiot
>
> Telegram from BinaryBud, sent Thu Feb 28, 2002 17:48:
> that is old shit idiot....done in QB actually bonehead
>
> Telegram from BinaryBud, sent Thu Feb 28, 2002 18:15:
> i am quite proud of my accomplishments all self taught never need anyone
> to show me the ropes heheheh looks like you need to figure that part
> out huh? :) and like i said i code in what ever is needed at the time
> language means nothing
>
> Telegram from BinaryBud, sent Thu Feb 28, 2002 18:18:
> i never when to a uni idiot read again self taught.... i also am a
> bench technician :) i build and repair PC's chip level ...;)
>
> Telegram from BinaryBud, sent Thu Feb 28, 2002 18:30:
> heheh well since you can't find out my info for some reason i'm
> actually 46 and oh BTW your ISP is gonna have fun with ya when they
> get the transcripts from our convorsations on how your trying to hack AW
> :) lol heheh love it...:)
>
> Telegram from BinaryBud, sent Thu Feb 28, 2002 18:56:
> oh and BTW your cit is 345704 joined in Dec :)
>
> Telegram from BinaryBud, sent Thu Feb 28, 2002 18:57:
> i got it without being in AW smart ass
>
> Telegram from BinaryBud, sent Thu Feb 28, 2002 18:58:
> that's cause you don't know enough about me YET ;)
>
> Telegram from BinaryBud, sent Thu Feb 28, 2002 20:30:
> LOL i did RoboBuilder 2 years BEFORE the SDK was even available
> bonehead...:) read up on it i won an award for that stupid code too...:)
>
> Telegram from BinaryBud, sent Thu Feb 28, 2002 20:32:
> actually i have some kewl bot's i've done with the SDK...:) no one has
> done what i've done with bots...;) ask around if anyone knows me in AW..:)
>
> Telegram from BinaryBud, sent Thu Feb 28, 2002 20:33:
> lol cause i'm always ahead of the curve....lol
>
> So as you can see, Leo is some what arrogant about his bot's, seems to think
> he is some kind of 'Bot God' and the AW community owes him a favour. The
> reason i showed him the experimental bot was simply to highlight the fact
> that his bots dont do EVERYTHING that ANYONE else's do.
>
> As for up to no good, and this goes for you to Joeman, no i was not up to
> good at all, simply proving a point to a jumped up wannabe nothing more.
> LOL and as for you joeman, coming in my world along with the rest of the
> stream of "hardore 'haxx0rs'", i dont care who you are or what you think you
> are, and as for your "prngstate" and how you have the "aw crypto", lol, what
> the hell do i care.
>
> ITS JUST AN EXPERIMENTAL BOT I WROTE FOR JOKES, NOTHING MORE !!!!!
>
> so all of the wannabe haxx0rs that want to keep on coming in my world n
> snooping for info,
> a) i dont have any ;)
> b) if i did you really think i would give it to you ?
> c) dont waste your time
>
> one final world, Leo, thanks for all the publicity man, i guess you dont
> loose graciously do you ? Wake up, you are not GOD, you are not the owner
> of AW, you may have won some awards for yout bots, but, this does not mean
> the AW community owes you a favour.
>
> look forward to speaking to all the PK's & script kiddies who are now
> evidently going to be tailing me for the rest of my AW days.
>
> thanks
>
> kris
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "binarybud" <lmauk at traverse.net> wrote in message
> news:3c7ea507$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> enter this world : SunLand as it stands now when
> what is "open" BTW mine checked out pretty good
> this guy is up to no good people....
>
>
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Mar 1, 2002, 12:17pm
boy yur sharp son...;) actually reponds to any thing you say wow.....i'm impressed now...lol
[View Quote]"sunofsolaris" <thelonesoul at hotmail.com> wrote in message news:3c7ec62f$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> BinaryBud
>
> you do make some assumptions dont you ?
>
> first one being your grandure
>
> second one being "as it stands now when you say hello ...... his bot it will
> do a port scan on your machine "
>
> no BinaryBill, it is not activated by "hello" its activated by any speach at
> all
>
> thank you kindly
>
> lots of love
>
> kris[SunOfSolaris]
>
> xxxxxx
> xxxxxx
> xxxxxx
>
> i'm totally convinced that you are just upset and a little riled that you
> didnt do it first ........
>
>
> "binarybud" <lmauk at traverse.net> wrote in message
> news:3c7ea507$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> enter this world : SunLand as it stands now when
> what is "open" BTW mine checked out pretty good
> this guy is up to no good people....
>
>
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Mar 1, 2002, 12:29pm
for some reson i think i need to post this just to set the scene on this loser.......
i tele'd him after he was harrassing people at the gate....asking him to chill out at the gate..... this is his next few tele's
back to me.....
Telegram from SunOfSolaris, sent Thu Feb 28, 2002 12:31 PM:
suggest u find out a lil about me before u think you clever enuff to run your mouth my way kiddy
Telegram from SunOfSolaris, sent Thu Feb 28, 2002 12:31 PM:
dont think that perhaps i was looking for ejection ? u dumb fvk
Telegram from SunOfSolaris, sent Thu Feb 28, 2002 12:31 PM:
its called "protocol mapping" you dumb fvk
Telegram from SunOfSolaris, sent Thu Feb 28, 2002 12:32 PM:
well if u were 1/2 brite you would know what i was doing by now
Telegram from SunOfSolaris, sent Thu Feb 28, 2002 12:32 PM:
i have written a proxy that allows me to connect to aw via, thus i can decipher AW's protocol, once i have it deciphered and
mapper, i can then write my own interfaces to aw
Telegram from SunOfSolaris, sent Thu Feb 28, 2002 12:33 PM:
been here a month already sun shine, so bout time u wake up n realise that you are NOT the l3370 u obviously think you are
Telegram from SunOfSolaris, sent Thu Feb 28, 2002 12:34 PM:
oh ? heh think as you will idiot script kiddy and let me get on with my business
well his smart ass responses go on and on and on....like i said this loser is nothing but troulbe...watch out fer him...:)
Laterz people...
Leo :)
[View Quote]"sunofsolaris" <thelonesoul at hotmail.com> wrote in message news:3c7ebf9e at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> In response to this silly man, please read some of the following telegrams
> posted to my by Leo, (please read my comments following) :-
>
> Telegram from BinaryBud, sent Thu Feb 28, 2002 17:29:
> i was coding idiot before you had your diapers removed LOL
>
> Telegram from BinaryBud, sent Thu Feb 28, 2002 17:30:
> Try 72 idiot i started with COBOL remember that ? lol
>
> Telegram from BinaryBud, sent Thu Feb 28, 2002 17:32:
> i've coded in them all...... lanuage is nothing.. logic rulez
>
> Telegram from BinaryBud, sent Thu Feb 28, 2002 17:39:
> this is all elementary stuff punk all easyly gleed off the web..... shit
> i've forgot most of that shit..... and like i said i do not need to prove
> a thing to you..... tell ya what.... when you lose your access to AW let
> me know...;)
>
> Telegram from BinaryBud, sent Thu Feb 28, 2002 17:43:
> www.leomauk.com idiot...;) it's an old site not done a thing with it for
> years but my resume is there idiot...;)
>
> Telegram from BinaryBud, sent Thu Feb 28, 2002 17:45:
> what the fuck you talking about hehehe i code for a living asshole i
> can write anything you want boner.... explain that last post
>
> Telegram from BinaryBud, sent Thu Feb 28, 2002 17:46:
> i wrote those before you were walking asshole and made a ton of cash on
> them too hehhehe live and learn i'm done with your time wasting
> embelishment prove yourself idiot
>
> Telegram from BinaryBud, sent Thu Feb 28, 2002 17:48:
> that is old shit idiot....done in QB actually bonehead
>
> Telegram from BinaryBud, sent Thu Feb 28, 2002 18:15:
> i am quite proud of my accomplishments all self taught never need anyone
> to show me the ropes heheheh looks like you need to figure that part
> out huh? :) and like i said i code in what ever is needed at the time
> language means nothing
>
> Telegram from BinaryBud, sent Thu Feb 28, 2002 18:18:
> i never when to a uni idiot read again self taught.... i also am a
> bench technician :) i build and repair PC's chip level ...;)
>
> Telegram from BinaryBud, sent Thu Feb 28, 2002 18:30:
> heheh well since you can't find out my info for some reason i'm
> actually 46 and oh BTW your ISP is gonna have fun with ya when they
> get the transcripts from our convorsations on how your trying to hack AW
> :) lol heheh love it...:)
>
> Telegram from BinaryBud, sent Thu Feb 28, 2002 18:56:
> oh and BTW your cit is 345704 joined in Dec :)
>
> Telegram from BinaryBud, sent Thu Feb 28, 2002 18:57:
> i got it without being in AW smart ass
>
> Telegram from BinaryBud, sent Thu Feb 28, 2002 18:58:
> that's cause you don't know enough about me YET ;)
>
> Telegram from BinaryBud, sent Thu Feb 28, 2002 20:30:
> LOL i did RoboBuilder 2 years BEFORE the SDK was even available
> bonehead...:) read up on it i won an award for that stupid code too...:)
>
> Telegram from BinaryBud, sent Thu Feb 28, 2002 20:32:
> actually i have some kewl bot's i've done with the SDK...:) no one has
> done what i've done with bots...;) ask around if anyone knows me in AW..:)
>
> Telegram from BinaryBud, sent Thu Feb 28, 2002 20:33:
> lol cause i'm always ahead of the curve....lol
>
> So as you can see, Leo is some what arrogant about his bot's, seems to think
> he is some kind of 'Bot God' and the AW community owes him a favour. The
> reason i showed him the experimental bot was simply to highlight the fact
> that his bots dont do EVERYTHING that ANYONE else's do.
>
> As for up to no good, and this goes for you to Joeman, no i was not up to
> good at all, simply proving a point to a jumped up wannabe nothing more.
> LOL and as for you joeman, coming in my world along with the rest of the
> stream of "hardore 'haxx0rs'", i dont care who you are or what you think you
> are, and as for your "prngstate" and how you have the "aw crypto", lol, what
> the hell do i care.
>
> ITS JUST AN EXPERIMENTAL BOT I WROTE FOR JOKES, NOTHING MORE !!!!!
>
> so all of the wannabe haxx0rs that want to keep on coming in my world n
> snooping for info,
> a) i dont have any ;)
> b) if i did you really think i would give it to you ?
> c) dont waste your time
>
> one final world, Leo, thanks for all the publicity man, i guess you dont
> loose graciously do you ? Wake up, you are not GOD, you are not the owner
> of AW, you may have won some awards for yout bots, but, this does not mean
> the AW community owes you a favour.
>
> look forward to speaking to all the PK's & script kiddies who are now
> evidently going to be tailing me for the rest of my AW days.
>
> thanks
>
> kris
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "binarybud" <lmauk at traverse.net> wrote in message
> news:3c7ea507$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> enter this world : SunLand as it stands now when
> what is "open" BTW mine checked out pretty good
> this guy is up to no good people....
>
>
|
Mar 1, 2002, 1:14pm
since we are publishing home pages here now...lol
http://www.kris.cwc.net/
This is Chris's Home page......
send him some email saying hi....he needs something to do with his time....
:)
[View Quote]"sunofsolaris" <thelonesoul at hotmail.com> wrote in message news:3c7ebf9e at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> In response to this silly man, please read some of the following telegrams
> posted to my by Leo, (please read my comments following) :-
>
> Telegram from BinaryBud, sent Thu Feb 28, 2002 17:29:
> i was coding idiot before you had your diapers removed LOL
>
> Telegram from BinaryBud, sent Thu Feb 28, 2002 17:30:
> Try 72 idiot i started with COBOL remember that ? lol
>
> Telegram from BinaryBud, sent Thu Feb 28, 2002 17:32:
> i've coded in them all...... lanuage is nothing.. logic rulez
>
> Telegram from BinaryBud, sent Thu Feb 28, 2002 17:39:
> this is all elementary stuff punk all easyly gleed off the web..... shit
> i've forgot most of that shit..... and like i said i do not need to prove
> a thing to you..... tell ya what.... when you lose your access to AW let
> me know...;)
>
> Telegram from BinaryBud, sent Thu Feb 28, 2002 17:43:
> www.leomauk.com idiot...;) it's an old site not done a thing with it for
> years but my resume is there idiot...;)
>
> Telegram from BinaryBud, sent Thu Feb 28, 2002 17:45:
> what the fuck you talking about hehehe i code for a living asshole i
> can write anything you want boner.... explain that last post
>
> Telegram from BinaryBud, sent Thu Feb 28, 2002 17:46:
> i wrote those before you were walking asshole and made a ton of cash on
> them too hehhehe live and learn i'm done with your time wasting
> embelishment prove yourself idiot
>
> Telegram from BinaryBud, sent Thu Feb 28, 2002 17:48:
> that is old shit idiot....done in QB actually bonehead
>
> Telegram from BinaryBud, sent Thu Feb 28, 2002 18:15:
> i am quite proud of my accomplishments all self taught never need anyone
> to show me the ropes heheheh looks like you need to figure that part
> out huh? :) and like i said i code in what ever is needed at the time
> language means nothing
>
> Telegram from BinaryBud, sent Thu Feb 28, 2002 18:18:
> i never when to a uni idiot read again self taught.... i also am a
> bench technician :) i build and repair PC's chip level ...;)
>
> Telegram from BinaryBud, sent Thu Feb 28, 2002 18:30:
> heheh well since you can't find out my info for some reason i'm
> actually 46 and oh BTW your ISP is gonna have fun with ya when they
> get the transcripts from our convorsations on how your trying to hack AW
> :) lol heheh love it...:)
>
> Telegram from BinaryBud, sent Thu Feb 28, 2002 18:56:
> oh and BTW your cit is 345704 joined in Dec :)
>
> Telegram from BinaryBud, sent Thu Feb 28, 2002 18:57:
> i got it without being in AW smart ass
>
> Telegram from BinaryBud, sent Thu Feb 28, 2002 18:58:
> that's cause you don't know enough about me YET ;)
>
> Telegram from BinaryBud, sent Thu Feb 28, 2002 20:30:
> LOL i did RoboBuilder 2 years BEFORE the SDK was even available
> bonehead...:) read up on it i won an award for that stupid code too...:)
>
> Telegram from BinaryBud, sent Thu Feb 28, 2002 20:32:
> actually i have some kewl bot's i've done with the SDK...:) no one has
> done what i've done with bots...;) ask around if anyone knows me in AW..:)
>
> Telegram from BinaryBud, sent Thu Feb 28, 2002 20:33:
> lol cause i'm always ahead of the curve....lol
>
> So as you can see, Leo is some what arrogant about his bot's, seems to think
> he is some kind of 'Bot God' and the AW community owes him a favour. The
> reason i showed him the experimental bot was simply to highlight the fact
> that his bots dont do EVERYTHING that ANYONE else's do.
>
> As for up to no good, and this goes for you to Joeman, no i was not up to
> good at all, simply proving a point to a jumped up wannabe nothing more.
> LOL and as for you joeman, coming in my world along with the rest of the
> stream of "hardore 'haxx0rs'", i dont care who you are or what you think you
> are, and as for your "prngstate" and how you have the "aw crypto", lol, what
> the hell do i care.
>
> ITS JUST AN EXPERIMENTAL BOT I WROTE FOR JOKES, NOTHING MORE !!!!!
>
> so all of the wannabe haxx0rs that want to keep on coming in my world n
> snooping for info,
> a) i dont have any ;)
> b) if i did you really think i would give it to you ?
> c) dont waste your time
>
> one final world, Leo, thanks for all the publicity man, i guess you dont
> loose graciously do you ? Wake up, you are not GOD, you are not the owner
> of AW, you may have won some awards for yout bots, but, this does not mean
> the AW community owes you a favour.
>
> look forward to speaking to all the PK's & script kiddies who are now
> evidently going to be tailing me for the rest of my AW days.
>
> thanks
>
> kris
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "binarybud" <lmauk at traverse.net> wrote in message
> news:3c7ea507$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> enter this world : SunLand as it stands now when
> what is "open" BTW mine checked out pretty good
> this guy is up to no good people....
>
>
|
Mar 1, 2002, 3:48pm
ya know i don't undestand what this "sore loser" is all about i saw that your bot was prot scanning and i warned the groups
about it.... you must be the sore loser cause i exposed your little games..... i do not think i am a "god" as you say hell
i've never been to school a day for anything ona a PC...all self taught....can't be too much of a god can i? hehehehe
i really do not care about your bot either....just what YOU are up to with attacking other people...... youcan attack me all day
long and no harm....but when you pray on innocent, defenseless people that's when i get ruffled...... oh and your welcome for
all the publicity that's all i ever wanted for people to see the REAL SonOfSolaris, and what he is up to...:)
laterz
Leo :)
[View Quote]"sunofsolaris" <thelonesoul at hotmail.com> wrote in message news:3c7fb888 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> alphabit, do me a favour before you post things concerning myself, read the
> rest of the posts.
>
> something that none of you are seeming to comprehend here, is, that i am not
> at all fussed what anyone in AW thinks of me, i am not here for some kind of
> "i'm so l337 and such a Master" award. I only demo'd my bot to Binary,
> after he was mouthing off about how l337 and how great he is and how i
> should "ph33r" him. The man is not a "Master" of anything. For that
> matter if creating objects in a text editor makes you a Master then i was
> that long ago. RWX is nothing new, n the fact that the format is plane
> text, doesnt make it to hard to create objects in notepad now does it ? As
> for Binary being some Master for writing some bot that simple uses
> ActivateApp("<app window name>") and then the SendKeys("<key string>")
> functions, i hardly think being a "Master of AW" is any great acheivment.
>
> Sure, i will enter your CyAwards, although i am sure the judgement now will
> hardly be unbiased(but i have my reasons for submitting an entry, and no
> they are not bad reasons), but i am sure it will give good opportunity to
> show case some of my code.(This is all being i have the time, new job
> involving on call support begins next week, but i will enter if a bot at
> some point for sure)
>
> As for your accusations of putting my skills to negative effect, please read
> the previous posts, SUNBOT IS NOT A HACKING BOT, how many more times do i
> have to tell ppl this ? It has most of the things that RoboBot has in it
> and more, i just chose to put the port scanner in as an experiment, nothing
> more. Binary just happened to be the mouthy one who got to see it.
>
> Sure, if i really wanted to make it into a hacking bot, i could. Wouldnt
> be hard, code known exploits in, that on the event of finding an open port,
> would straight away attack with the exploit code. No big deal, BUT, it
> isnt in the bot, i am not planning to put it in the bot. Infact the bot
> was never planned to be anything but a start in using the SDK. I just
> learnt the SDK too fast i guess and got bored, so started to experiment.
>
> One more thing i would like to add here, its not surprising that the
> hackers/expoiters/script kiddies in many chat programs do what they do.
> The likes of ppl like Leo who cant handle that some one else mite be just as
> good if not better, constantly trying to mouth them outta the place, makes
> them do what they do. Personally i dont care what Leo says, i take him for
> what he is, a moron, who cant deal with not being God, and who thinks the
> world owes him a favour because he wrote a few lame ass bits of code. He
> cant deal with the fact that he cant bs me, cos i see right thru it. If he
> hadnt have tried to, and to try and stake grandure in his bots being
> something amazing and that his were so way ahead of every one elses, and no
> one elses having any thing better then his, then i would have had no reason
> to show him the bot. Now that i have, it is blatently obvious to even the
> socially inempt that Leo is a very very sore loser.
>
> He is not a Master, he is not a God. Just an old man who is desperate to
> be something. Wake up. Coding bots does not make you anything "cool",
> bots are hardly heavy technology now are they ?
>
> lots of love
>
> kris[SunOfSolaris]
>
>
> "alphabit phalpha" <alphabit at swbell.net> wrote in message
> news:3c7fb48f at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> it
> can't
> for
> models,
> not
> things
> Award
>
>
|
Mar 1, 2002, 8:23pm
my problem is/was i posted a warning in this group without even mentioning the persons nick...warning of something that could
potentialy hurt others....only to be attacked personally. and i realize i am at big fault for letting this "person" get to me. I
appologize for that publicly.....but still stand by my warning....this guy is up to no good. sorry if i offended anyone with my
posts....
Leo :)
[View Quote]"silenced" <nospam at privacy.com> wrote in message news:3c7fe089$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> That's in the eyes of the beholder :). But I really don't see what bin.
> bud's main problem is.
>
> -Silenced
>
> "sunofsolaris" <thelonesoul at hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:3c7fe04b at server1.Activeworlds.com...
>
>
|
Mar 1, 2002, 12:32pm
yea right prove it..... lol you must think we are all stupid.....why you scanning ports of people entering your world
ANYHOW?
it's so you can pick on people that do not know any better why not pick on me punk? your just a parasite like i said in the
first place...
[View Quote]"sunofsolaris" <thelonesoul at hotmail.com> wrote in message news:3c7ee400 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> further information
>
> **** SUNBOT is not a hacking bot ****
> can we please get this straight ? what BinaryBud saw was nothing more than
> a portscan, for demonstration purpose only, NOTHING MORE
>
> kris[SunOfSolaris]
>
> xxxxxxxx
> xxxxxxxx
>
>
> "your hiroshi" <bentremblay at attbi.com> wrote in message
> news:3c7ed9af at server1.Activeworlds.com...
>
>
|
Mar 1, 2002, 3:54pm
hey boner i code in any language i need to at the time....i've plenty of code out there....i just choose to make my money in VB
:) it's what my Boss wants...:)
and as far as being upset that your bot port scans..... well that is just plain lame...hehehe like you said port scanning was
PC 101 NBD i was just a little ruffled when you do that AND try and gleen passwords off of people right out in the
open...sheeesh pretty brash huh?
and you can ramble all day long at my code son...i've been doing it for years making money and i have many programs out there
being used daily.....made me lots of money...how much you made on your "code" son?
i thought so....:)
Leo :)
[View Quote]"sunofsolaris" <thelonesoul at hotmail.com> wrote in message news:3c7fa580 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> dood can you drop the "ghetto talk", you are not Charle Bronson of AW, just
> as you are not god. Tell you one thing that you are tho, BORING, VERY
> BORING. You are obviously very sore that some one else's bot got the
> better of you. Wake up moron, if you knew n e thing you would realise the
> the bot will only port scan in my own world any way. What use is is as a
> hacking tool ????
>
> As for thinking every one is stupid, no not at, just you, in the fact that
> although you may have the wool pulled over the majority of the AW
> community's eyes that you are something great with a computer, the fact that
> you thought you could pull it over my eyes. One only has to read the
> telegrams that you posted in the previous thread to assertain that.
>
> "Bud" you can code VB, thats great, i'm really happy for you. It doesnt
> make you something that every one should "ph33r" and respect tho. Wake Up.
>
> lots of love and kisses
>
> kris[SunOfSolaris]
>
> **************
> **************
>
> "binarybud" <lmauk at traverse.net> wrote in message
> news:3c7f910b$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> stupid.....why you scanning ports of people entering your world
> pick on me punk? your just a parasite like i said in the
> news:3c7ee400 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> than
> initialize a
> on
> ports.
>
>
|
Mar 1, 2002, 4:30pm
that was not a threat it was an observation.... why you have to post things when i telegram you?
you have no way to defend yourself huh? me thinks you always hit below the belt in a fight.... huh?
you make me puke man. i will have no more contact with you..... hope you had your fun with me.
grow up and take some responsibility for your life .... get a job.
Leo :)
[View Quote]"sunofsolaris" <thelonesoul at hotmail.com> wrote in message news:3c7fc798 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> just received from BinaryBud at 18:05 GMT :-
>
> Telegram from BinaryBud, sent just now:
> fuck you punk why waste your time on an old man script kiddy" hhehe
> fucking loser. your day will come...:)
>
> afraid i dont have the telegram that i sent him but it was along the lines
> of "you're a riot man"
>
> looks like a blatent threat there, albeit empty as all his other threats
>
> lots of love and kisses
>
> kris[SunOfSolaris]
>
> xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> "binarybud" <lmauk at traverse.net> wrote in message
> news:3c7fc048$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> code out there....i just choose to make my money in VB
> plain lame...hehehe like you said port scanning was
> gleen passwords off of people right out in the
> years making money and i have many programs out there
> "code" son?
> news:3c7fa580 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> just
> the
> a
> that
> that
> doesnt
> Up.
> not
> more
> of a
> PCAnywhere
> has a
>
>
|
Mar 1, 2002, 4:47pm
plenty and it's none of your business son....you like to push some buttons too i see......
lol and for the record i'm 46. as far as imature not me pleanty mature but i do
go nuts when i get attacked by kids in public...when they know damn well there is
nothing that can be done to put them in there place..... fucking snot nosed brats anyhow.
[View Quote]"swe" <m_swehli at hotmail.com> wrote in message news:3c7fcb6d at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> and how old r u again.... jees! im 15 and i dont act that fuckin immature
> dude! and come on, tell us all, how much money did u make?
>
>
> "binarybud" <lmauk at traverse.net> wrote in message
> news:3c7fc8df at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> things when i telegram you?
> the belt in a fight.... huh?
> you had your fun with me.
> news:3c7fc798 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> lines
> plenty of
> just
> and
> for
> AW,
> VERY
> the
> realise
> is as
> fact
> fact
> the
> Wake
> why
> nothing
> behavior
> that
> which
>
>
|
Mar 2, 2002, 8:43pm
Bud's been quiet for a while decided to be that way sure has made you
mad for some reason
And thanx for showing everyone what your really like.
Leo :)
Don't bother responding i'm back in quiet mode for a bit hehehehe
[View Quote]"sunofsolaris" <thelonesoul at hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3c814dca$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> yuh good plan, like the flaming post initiators
> do you really thing i would be bothering with this if "Bud" hadnt have
> decided he wanted to try n slur/insult me in public ?
>
> wake up
>
> lots of love and kisses
>
> kris[SunOfSolaris]
>
> xxxxxxxxxxx
> xxxxxxxxxxx
>
> "sw chris" <chrisw10 at nckcn.com> wrote in message
> news:3c8149fd$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> limit,
that
would
it's
>
>
|
Mar 2, 2002, 10:55pm
Listen I'm sorry i have been so .......not me...lol swe i need to
appologise to you for my "snot nosed brat" comment that was uncalled
for....well maybe a little provoked.... but was totally not right.....and
for that i am sorry. I'm very impressed with the talents displayed by most
of the young citizens in here.... I'm sorry if I displayed a contradicting
attitude towards you.....:(
and sorry to have started all this WordWars but hey i think the cats
outta the bag now...
Lets all have a virtual fun time again.... hey about those
Tigers......:)
Leo
Mar 3, 2002, 5:49pm
my appologies were to everyone that deserved one. and since your not in
the know how could you say i was not based in fact? fact was he was port
scanning everything else said between him and I was a tit for tat thing
tempers out of hand but there is still no defense for port scanning ANYONE
at ANYTIME especially the ports he was looking at....:)
i stand by that...... if anyone has issue with that let me know...:) the
rest is just a sore kid spewing in public....:) reffering to Sun....:)
[View Quote]"swe" <m_swehli at hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3c826917 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> heh, lol, im 15, nothing u say to me could accully hurt me, i mean ive
been
> insulted, and insulting all my life... but it shouldnt be me ur
appologising
> to, it should be sun, since well, u didnt really base what u wrote on
> facts....
> "binarybud" <lmauk at traverse.net> wrote in message
> news:3c81747e$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> right.....and
> most
> contradicting
> cats
>
>
|
Mar 3, 2002, 6:30pm
lol made my point heheh how you know so much about those port things Son?
hehehe
only claim i am making now is i fer sure lost to you in the NG war...your
mouth is unstoppable....lol
BB waves the white flag heheheh
[View Quote]"sunofsolaris" <thelonesoul at hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3c828143 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> "and since your not in the know how could you say i was not based in
> fact? "
> yes you are right i am in not in any know of you, you either refuse or
cant
> provide any evidence to support your claims !!!!!!!!!! I have been
asking
> for this all along ? what are you saying now Bud, that EVERYTHING you
said
> was LIES ?
>
> "everything else said between him and I was a tit for tat thing tempers
out
> of hand "
> is that what this means ? You lied about all the claims ??? if thats
the
> case Bud, just say so, n its all over, no problem. Oh n one more thing
> Bud, as i have also been saying all along, speak for yourself, not me,
stop
> telling me what i am, what i can do , and now weather or not i lost my
> temper !!! LMAO, i was sat here laffing at you dig your own hole, the
> whole time you were telegramming me, and am still doing that now.
>
> Read some of your colleagues re port scanning. It is only a suggestion
> that hacking activities may be going on. As i have said a million times
> now, i was demonstrating to you that your "bots" do not do everything that
> every one elses do and i had no intention of hacking you, just simple make
a
> point and hope you learnt a lesson from making false claims. Doesn't
> appear you have.
>
> Yes Bob i agree you have been acting like a "sore kid", its too bad that
you
> are 46 years old and have to act this way isnt it.
>
> "especially the ports he was scanning", OMG, wait one sec, let me cut n
> paste the ini file for the bot :-
>
> 21
> 23
> 80
> 139
> 110
> 119
> 1521
> 1533
> 12345
>
> thats it, lmao, only 1 port that would even possible relate now to a
> possible hack threat, that being 12345(Netbus) however even protection has
> long since been implemented in most desktop firewalls and even the in
virus
> checkers to prevent the trojan from even being passed.
>
> 139 the old Winnuke port, long since patched out of windows, since Winsock
> 2.
>
> 1533, Virtual places server port or Cerberus protection, hardly like i
could
> "hack" you via that. 1521, Oracle listener port, Yuh man m going to
"hack"
> you thru that to :) lmao, do your home work man.
>
> the rest of the ports are all commonly used and known values m sure i dont
> need to go into them here.
>
> dood, wake up will you, stop being an ass, admit you were wrong, admit you
> talked a whole heap of bs, or prove yourself, or, just be quiet.
>
> cheers
>
> Sun
>
>
>
|
Mar 3, 2002, 6:53pm
YAWN hehehe
when you finally find out about the DOS version of LYNX let me know
hon....:)
you keep asking for me to answer these "claims" i have no answers for the
likes of you you have shown that for the last few days give it up and
show your answers to your claims heheheh :)
you nothing but a spewing flamwe thrower and what do flames do? they burn
out eventually...:)
[View Quote]"sunofsolaris" <thelonesoul at hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3c828bc3 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> I know about the port values as any user of the net for some years would.
> Also networking/network sercurity, as a part of my previous job, and
> internet support as another job, would enhance that knowledge to.
>
> Yes Bud, you do lose for sure, right from the point you decided to pretend
> to be some great AW Guru/God/Hacker, and attempt scare tactics with me you
> had lost. It was lots of fun laughing at you tho. Some of the things
you
> said, oh man, especially "i was playing all of those games in the 70's,
> remember telnet and lynx", omg too funny, and blatently obvious that what
> little knowledge you do have has come from reading this newsgroup ;) (lol,
> there is a little implication to you all there folks, if you bright enuff
to
> spot it, which i dare say you wont, judging by the content of your posts,
> and the easily biased minds that you have ;) )
>
> But Bud, there is still one thing i am waiting for. Evidence/support of
> ANY of the claims you have made both in this newsgroup and the telegrams
you
> sent me, or you to specify exactly what you were lieing about in your
> temper, or to be quiet. Until such time as one of these occurs, we shall
> continue.
>
> cheers
>
> Sun
>
>
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