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Feb 27, 2001, 10:49pm

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A web site owner with scripting can get your IP without beeing connected
to you.
Many AW world owners are web site owners, either for their web window or
for the object path.
Even a tourist can get your IP ("bump url" or "create picture" while
you're there), he just needs a web site with scripting enabled. No
direct connect needed.
Trying to hide your IP can work, but not with a direct internet connect.

xero schrieb:
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> I didn't mention websites, I know you can get an IP from a website, lol, php
> and all thats simple, I didn't mention that so how is it wrong? lol AIM
> maybe you can get an IP from atleast wing says..but I have never been able
> to get an IP unless it was direct connected..then its very simple to use
> netstat, other wise all messages are through the server..and I am pretty
> sure about that.
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Feb 17, 2001, 10:32pm

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Aren't the RW libraries just automated imports of the DLL functions?
What about using "LoadLibrary()" in an own module instead? That should
work if you add an underscore in front of the function name, that's how
MS exports __stdcall functions.
That works fine in Watcom C and should work with Borland too I think.

andras schrieb:
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> Delphi would be a nice choice _if_ RW libraries would be available in Borland format - which are not :(
> Andras
>
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Feb 18, 2001, 1:54pm

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So Linux is a hackers system? I just ported some windows DLLs and test
environment to AIX and Unix (shared libs) as my customer wanted to have
the things on a reliable OS - it is an insurance company and I don't
think they will use their Linux for hacking.

I will not write here what I think about most newer microsoft products
but I would like to have OpenGL support to be able to run AW on my
quite(!) reliable (after 5 patches) NT4

lanezeri schrieb:
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> First.. this post has absolutely no point in even bein in the NG.. they have
> wasted all their time in making it in C++ why the hell would they change it
> now? HamFon and Roland prolly know more th an C++ but if they didn't they
> would be screwed.. secondly.. that would mean years of new code.. and
> third.. why do you people need to run it in Linux anyway? Hacking someone?
> If not.. u dont need it in Linux.. and if ur hosting a company.. u need to
> get a new computer.. most people who host have at least 2 computers..
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Feb 18, 2001, 8:52pm

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Continue sleeping and ignoring the facts.
Sure the look and feel of windows is nice, that's why it was so
successfull. But that is the only thing that you are right about.
Wrong is that linux is a hacker thing, right it is students work.
Wrong is that every computer is preloaded with it, right is that more
and more companies give you the choice.
Another fact that might be new to you is that more and more companies
decide to have their software running on Linux. It starts with web based
applications and E-business stuff and goes from there to other business
stuff.


lanezeri schrieb:
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> Linux was made for hacking.. do some research.. it's the OS "Made for
> hackers, by hackers." Windows has a better GUI than Linux.. so what do u
> do? Get a job.. wait for Win Whistler to be released and buy it.. or.. wait
> till a buddy of mine releases a tutor that lets u run Windows over Linux..
> and if Windows sucks so much.. why is every computer preloaded with it?
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Feb 19, 2001, 6:29pm

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The kernel ??? Why should you want to change something that doesn't
really exist? If 98 had a kernel that is separate and protected from the
application layer (at least in non-maintenance mode/admin) it could be
more reliable and stable.

nightwalker schrieb:
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> 100% customizable ?
> its like 0.1% customizable in case of Linux...
> u cant change the name of the os...
> u cant change the kernel
> u cant set what is going to be started (and i mean all of it)
>
> Hehehe if u see linux, damn, you will never use windows again
> (except for AW :)
>
> - NightWalker
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Feb 19, 2001, 7:44pm

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never rely only on commercials :

The AlphaServer ES40 system supports Compaq Tru64 UNIX, OpenVMS, and the
Linux operating systems.
(taken from http://www.compaq.com/alphaserver/news/celera_hgp_0201.html)

Supports OpenVMS, Tru64 UNIX, and Linux.
(http://www.compaq.com/alphaserver/workstations/index.html)

RED HAT SOFTWARE - REDHAT LINUX V7.0 CROM - $27.95 - In Stock
(found via http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/search.asp)


lanezeri schrieb:
>
> You know exactly what I mean.. most Dell or Compaq computer is preloaded
> with windows.. you dont see many commercials promoting a Dell or Compaq with
> Mac OS do ya?
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Feb 19, 2001, 8:17pm

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I already worked on a blue SGI dome (WS) with Linux but I didn't want to
collect all companies, else I would have been flamed because of a too
large post. I just referred to the two that were mentioned. IBM offers
Linux as platform too since few years (at least in germany), SNI always
had Unix/Sinix. Several german assemblers and resellers offer Linux as
an option - the list would be long.

My only problem with Linux is that I tend to start it in runlevel 2 ;)

nightwalker schrieb:
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> dont disclude SGI,
> they have linux and their own (or SUNs' ?) operating system
> www.sgi.com
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Feb 19, 2001, 10:08pm

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You must be a hacker, only hackers have more than one CPU in a PC

andras schrieb:
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Feb 20, 2001, 8:11am

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All log off now or risk to be hacked, disconnect your power supplies, TV
cable, toasters and fridges, alarm the police and national guard (then
disconnect your phone off course) and start to pray

andras schrieb:
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> I'm prepared to hack your machine!!
> Andras
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Feb 21, 2001, 1:54pm

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From a real kernel I expect to be protected from the application layer,
else I have sure an operating system but it has not really a kernel. The
name kernel implies "beeing protected" - it is (or should be) more like
a peache than like an apple. (yummy)
I think this discussion here is philosophy, if you accept not beeing
protected as a bug, Win98's kernel32 is a kernel, if you see it as a
feature it's just one more delivered part of the OS that is somewhere
between application and hardware (and it drivers) - or a design problem.

rolu schrieb:
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> kernel32.dll is a piece of the windows kernel (it actually has one yes)
> which handles memory management, input/output operations, and interrupts.
> Hardware problems can cause errors in kernel32, but software problems can do
> so too.
>
> rolu
>
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Feb 20, 2001, 12:04pm

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It would be nice to have a "misc" newsgroup without binding to certain
topics.

At the moment all miscellanious stuff goes to community but many think
that "community" is only thought for directly AW related things.

To avoid this constant trouble (not AW-related or not on topic of the
group) it would be nice to have a group where not AW related things can
be discussed by AW community members. No need to hold the history as
long as it is held in other groups, maybe only 3 months back. But this
would be a place were we could post entries that don't go to any other
group without beeing flamed. Common to all these posts would be the
citizenship in AW.

It should not be a replacement for the AW chat but I've read some
interesting ideas by people I never met in AW and I met some people in
AW after I've read entries posted by them. This sure helps to know
eachother - so finally it would be AW related, especially as this server
is not open to the usenet.
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Feb 20, 2001, 2:12pm

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Such a group would protect some normal people from you and would be good
for your nerves :)

eep schrieb:
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> Perhaps you should try to think where isn't such a newsgroup, Ananas. Now get over it and go post stupidly on OTHER news servers.
>
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Feb 20, 2001, 2:14pm

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It could be used as a test NG too as it would not bother anyone, no
restrictions to a certain theme.
Test is kind of "misc" stuff.

rolu schrieb:
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> And a test ng would be nice too.
>
> rolu
>
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Feb 20, 2001, 2:28pm

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I'm curious, so I tried to have a peek but could not connect.

Another option would be news://news.city4all.com - some revitalize it at
the moment, or at least try to (some of the groups there were dead for
about a year).

But if the people spread across too many news servers the effect would
get lost, learning about people you did not meet (yet?).

j b e l l schrieb:
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> that's why on mine ( news://awjbell.com ) i tend to try and remember to add
> a group that's *.*.general or whatnot depending on the thread, mainly for
> messages that don't seem to fit any of the other groups in that tree...
>
> --
>
> J B E L L
> http://platinum.awjbell.com
> G O I N G P L A T I N U M
>
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Feb 20, 2001, 3:22pm

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I already noticed that you seem to think before you post since a while,
but still not everything is stupid that you do not understand.

What problem do you have with my wish? Could you please argue instead of
just stating? I want to take problems out of the current newsgroups,
that cannot be done on any usenet newsgroup as that would not affect
this news server. Please read my reasons for that wish, maybe you will
see that it's not as stupid as you thought after reading just the topic
or maybe the first line.

There are many who have a different understanding about the news groups.
We are not all eep clones, actually (nearly?) no one of us is. If you
cannot accept individuality stand in front of a mirror and tell yourself
how good you are, you big No. 1 - but if you take part in anything
community-related (VR or RL) you need to learn that most people are
different. Once you understood that maybe you will even like it.

p.s.: If you start to argue try to 'stick to commonly known words and
phrases' - english isn't my first language.

eep schrieb:
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> Look, I already said I'd try to tone it down a bit, but if twits like you, Agent, and other idiots are going to persist in acting stupid, you're going to hear of it from me, dig? Don't fuck with me, kid.
>
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Feb 20, 2001, 3:43pm

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I forgot to add - and should be open for tourists too, read and write.

ananas schrieb:
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> It would be nice to have a "misc" newsgroup without binding to certain
> topics.
>
> At the moment all miscellanious stuff goes to community but many think
> that "community" is only thought for directly AW related things.
>
> To avoid this constant trouble (not AW-related or not on topic of the
> group) it would be nice to have a group where not AW related things can
> be discussed by AW community members. No need to hold the history as
> long as it is held in other groups, maybe only 3 months back. But this
> would be a place were we could post entries that don't go to any other
> group without beeing flamed. Common to all these posts would be the
> citizenship in AW.
>
> It should not be a replacement for the AW chat but I've read some
> interesting ideas by people I never met in AW and I met some people in
> AW after I've read entries posted by them. This sure helps to know
> eachother - so finally it would be AW related, especially as this server
> is not open to the usenet.
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Feb 21, 2001, 6:06am

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eep schrieb:
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I do not disagree but my conclusion is a different one, with one single
open group you could :
- give the off-topic posters a place where to post (and you will have
more arguments to keep people on topic in all other groups).
- have a place to test
- have a place for posts that you cannot really sort into one of the
other groups

Sure some of the people who post here need to improve (not sure if those
are all children), but it is fact that some children grow up in and with
AW. It is correct that they SHOULD grow up elsewhere but you can not
force their parents to deal with them. I don't feel responsible for
education but I try to be friendly and tolerant. It helps more to give
hints and advices than to exclude, people who are mad will not stay and
kids grow up. Those that are freaked out now will miss later, will not
share their ideas here but go elsewhere.
Ignoring the stupid posts and and answering the ones that make sense is
my strategy - as long as there isn't mass-stupidity (word mistyped but I
don't know where a, f and m go).

btw., I don't see the community (or communities) as organisation(s) when
I speak about community, I see it more as the 'collection' (sorry, I
find no better word at the moment) of people I meet, friends, visitors,
tourists and so on.


>
>
> So go form ICQ channels (or whatever they call it), Yahoo/whatever message boards, and web-based bulletin boards like Xavarella, Ima Genius, etc have. Don't clutter up AW's newsgroups with all that fluff shit. I didn't stand for it when I first came here in 1997 and I sure as hell ain't going to stand for it now.


Everyone is free not to access the misc group - except curiosity would
force it ;)
And if the entries would be removed after 3 months there would not be
endless download even if someone loaded everything that's available
(once it would be filled).

But it isn't my job to decide wether the group will be installed or not,
it was just an idea, that's why it is in the wishlist. I don't use other
ways of bidirectional communications on the web than mail, news and AW.
That's why I would like to have the misc. stuff here so I can read it -
and maybe post when I feel like posting off-topic stuff.
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Feb 23, 2001, 5:26am

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We discussed this theme already - IMO "Newbie" isn't an insult. It is
just a level of experience. Every human is a newbie in (nearly)
everything sometimes, even going to the toilet has to be learned. And
that is what CrazyGlue wrote ("Eep weren't you a n-e-w-b-i-e once
too").

If someone is a newbie and you call him a newbie there's nothing wrong
about that.

If you call someone a newbie who isn't a newbie that means only that you
don't know much about his knowledge, but still no insult.

eep schrieb:
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> Um, you're the twit that insulted me first, Crazy. Or perhaps you don't think calling someone a newbie is an insult. Must I spell it out for your feeble mind to ATTEMPT to grasp? Perhaps I'll just filter you instead. Buh-bye.
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Feb 23, 2001, 2:04pm

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You're right about that - but

1. Crazy didn't use it that way, he didn't talk about the present
2. eep uses it always without knowing anything about someones knowledge

so it doesn't apply in either case

rolu schrieb:
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Feb 22, 2001, 8:23am

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Why instead, optional - would be good for GUI freaks and command liners

eep schrieb:
>
> Exactly; avatar sounds could be specifiable in the new avatar dialog box (instead of having to edit a user-unfriendly avatars.dat file).
>
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thanks a lot - but would't it be the masochists in your eyes, people who
like to deal with text files?

eep schrieb:
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> Yea, fine, the sadists can dork around with text files...
>
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no thanks, not my taste of masochism, I prefer text files

eep schrieb:
>
> I'm smacking you up and down and all around...right now even.
>
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What about 4 Maxtor 98196H8 IDE (81 GB, about 300$ each), software raid
?

xero schrieb:
>
> LoL He could have 2 seagate barracuda 180 gig harddrive (yeah right they
> only cost like $7000 each, lol) I doubt anyone has enough harddrive space to
> hold 300 gigs that has a personal computer..only a very large server, lol..
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lol - could it be that I know this list from somewhere? ;)

j b e l l schrieb:
>
> ..i hope you don't want me to list them.. actually.. i've got time..
> here's... 38 of them. but i'm sure there's more..
>
> ActiveWorlds
> City4All
> NightShift
> Visiosonic
> RedDog
> OuterWorlds
> Ohio United
> VectorScape
> Dreamland Park
> Galaxy Worlds
> Village 3D
> EduVerse
> Peaceworld
> Brasil Worlds
> Futebol Total
> Galileo
> Fandom
> Ultraworld
> BlurCity
> Karlskrona2
> Wolfsburg2
> VWorlds
> Spannk
> UltraWorlds
> VR-Cincy
> VMenta
> Campus
> Outside of Mall
> DigitalSpace
> EWorldUnion
> MegaCity
> CyberNetWorlds
> Hanarotel
> awbkor
> Dadaworld
> AWABA
> VideoRanch
> ChatXY
>
> ...and the list goes on..
> --
>
> J B E L L
> http://platinum.awjbell.com
> G O I N G P L A T I N U M
>
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the list contains galaxies and universes

wing schrieb:
>
> Don't forget the galexies. They're expensive and theres more than a few.
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Ameriworlds (it's there as UltraWorlds with an S behind) used to be on
www.ultra-worlds.com, default port - but I could not connect it anymore,
for a longer period of time.

UltraWorld (the one without S) was on an AW port and seems to be gone
too.

If you know the hosts/ports where they are now, please tell me and I
will correct the entries.

There are galaxies missing, because they told me the galaxies were only
for a certain group of people, but not protected, and it would be better
not to have them in the list.

wing schrieb:
>
> Then I THINK you missed a few. Ameriworld for example (or are they listed
> under another name?)
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It would be nice if AW could look into the ZIP header to see if it's a
COB or an RWX if nothing is specified. Builders cannot look inside a ZIP
to decide wether it has a COB or a RWX extension. As only one file is
inside of the ZIP (or GZIP) that would not increase the decode time.
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1000 concurrent visitors would not be necessary for the toilet worlds
(need 2, F and M).
A stadion also usually doesn't have 1000 toilets for example - people
have to wait!
The only problem is that the world status doesn't show red when a world
is full.


thelibrarian schrieb:
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Image strips could scroll pixelwise - or by 2 pixels or 4 or 8 each time
they scroll, depending on the action line.
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Maybe an intermediate solution :

http://www.jefftech.net/avatarsdat.html

Tacoguy wrote it to make removing only the avatars.dat file easier -
instead of removing the whole cache as many do it

j b e l l schrieb:
>
> I think that it should automatically re-dl the avatars.dat file (if the size
> is different, maybe) when you enter a world.. all to often you get suprised
> by others telling you of your shanubia av when you intend to be a butch or
> something.. this would especially be benifit to pb worlds-and the people who
> try to cheat in them..
>
> --
>
> J B E L L
> http://platinum.awjbell.com
> G O I N G P L A T I N U M
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