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Fresh Start (Wishlist)
Fresh Start // Wishlist
Feb 23, 2001, 5:57pm
This is probably the most radical change requested on this board in awhile.
AWCI should stop making additions to the current ActiveWorlds software and
make another similar product. This would NOT be renderware based, would drop
support of RWX objects and go to other formats that the new engine supports.
The old AW software would still be supported and continue functioning.
Citizenships, worlds, and universes in the new product would be offered for
FREE to all current customers of these items. Once completed and built up,
this new product could take over as AWCI's flagship, but would never
completely replace the old AW until it is no longer cost effective to
operate the older universe, at which point the primary universe would be
dropped, and no more sold allowing the remaining private universes to die
out of their own will. The new software would make use of shadows, take
advantage of modern 3d hardware, and not force itself to support older
hardware indefinitely, after a period of time when relatively few users
operate that hardware, support for it would be dropped. (Voodoo 1 for
example. Or even non-3d systems). More intuitive building would be possible,
object manipulation, etc.
--
Wing
This little spot is dedicated to my girl, Jessie.
AW Citizen 305004 "Wing"
bathgate at prodigy.net
eyemwing at teleport.com
ICQ #101207433
Feb 23, 2001, 9:48pm
*ahem* And what about the countless hours of building people have done?
Alphaworld world alone....75 million objects, that's a whole lot work =D
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[View Quote]"wing" <bathgate at prodigy.net> wrote in message
news:3a96c09c at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> This is probably the most radical change requested on this board in
awhile.
> AWCI should stop making additions to the current ActiveWorlds software and
> make another similar product. This would NOT be renderware based, would
drop
> support of RWX objects and go to other formats that the new engine
supports.
> The old AW software would still be supported and continue functioning.
> Citizenships, worlds, and universes in the new product would be offered
for
> FREE to all current customers of these items. Once completed and built up,
> this new product could take over as AWCI's flagship, but would never
> completely replace the old AW until it is no longer cost effective to
> operate the older universe, at which point the primary universe would be
> dropped, and no more sold allowing the remaining private universes to die
> out of their own will. The new software would make use of shadows, take
> advantage of modern 3d hardware, and not force itself to support older
> hardware indefinitely, after a period of time when relatively few users
> operate that hardware, support for it would be dropped. (Voodoo 1 for
> example. Or even non-3d systems). More intuitive building would be
possible,
> object manipulation, etc.
>
> --
> Wing
> This little spot is dedicated to my girl, Jessie.
> AW Citizen 305004 "Wing"
> bathgate at prodigy.net
> eyemwing at teleport.com
> ICQ #101207433
>
>
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Feb 23, 2001, 10:41pm
They'd still exist in the old software, which would continue being operated
and supported until it's no longer cost effective
--
Wing
This little spot is dedicated to my girl, Jessie.
AW Citizen 305004 "Wing"
bathgate at prodigy.net
eyemwing at teleport.com
ICQ #101207433
[View Quote]sw comit <swcomit at swcity.net> wrote in message
news:3a96f6b0$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> *ahem* And what about the countless hours of building people have done?
> Alphaworld world alone....75 million objects, that's a whole lot work =D
>
> --
> SW Comit
> swcomit at swcity.net
> Mayor of SW City
> http://www.swcity.net
> President of Community Linkage Commission
> http://comlinkage.tripod.com
> "wing" <bathgate at prodigy.net> wrote in message
> news:3a96c09c at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> awhile.
and
> drop
> supports.
> for
up,
die
> possible,
>
>
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Feb 24, 2001, 2:09am
But what if the new software took up too much of the budget and one had to
go?
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My two cents,
Captain MAD Mike
[View Quote]wing <bathgate at prodigy.net> wrote in message
news:3a970334 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> They'd still exist in the old software, which would continue being
operated
> and supported until it's no longer cost effective
>
> --
> Wing
> This little spot is dedicated to my girl, Jessie.
> AW Citizen 305004 "Wing"
> bathgate at prodigy.net
> eyemwing at teleport.com
> ICQ #101207433
> sw comit <swcomit at swcity.net> wrote in message
> news:3a96f6b0$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> and
would
offered
> up,
be
> die
take
users
>
>
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Feb 24, 2001, 2:57am
Well then "fuck off, old AW." Learn to live with change or you're screwed in
everything that ever happens to you in life.
[View Quote]"captain mad mike" <cmadmike at crosswinds.net> wrote in message
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> But what if the new software took up too much of the budget and one had to
> go?
>
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Feb 24, 2001, 4:35am
You obviously don't own anything in AW your proud of...
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[View Quote]"35850" <!> wrote in message news:3a973f1f at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> Well then "fuck off, old AW." Learn to live with change or you're screwed
in
> everything that ever happens to you in life.
>
> "captain mad mike" <cmadmike at crosswinds.net> wrote in message
> news:3a9733f9$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
to
>
>
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Feb 24, 2001, 5:17am
Not true. But if you had any sense, you wouldn't care that much no matter
what it was.
[View Quote]"sw comit" <swcomit at swcity.net> wrote in message
news:3a97563e at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> You obviously don't own anything in AW your proud of...
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Feb 24, 2001, 5:35am
I've spent two years buildings, I'd be pretty bummed if it all went down the
drain.
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SW Comit
swcomit at swcity.net
Mayor of SW City
http://www.swcity.net
President of Community Linkage Commission
http://comlinkage.tripod.com
[View Quote]"35850" <!> wrote in message news:3a975ff6$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> Not true. But if you had any sense, you wouldn't care that much no matter
> what it was.
>
> "sw comit" <swcomit at swcity.net> wrote in message
> news:3a97563e at server1.Activeworlds.com...
>
>
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Feb 24, 2001, 12:50pm
This is the only downside. I think it would be a worthy sacrifice, however
if AW thinks they can get away with it once, they might do it again.
-John
[View Quote]"sw comit" <swcomit at swcity.net> wrote in message
news:3a96f6b0$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> *ahem* And what about the countless hours of building people have done?
> Alphaworld world alone....75 million objects, that's a whole lot work =D
>
> --
> SW Comit
> swcomit at swcity.net
> Mayor of SW City
> http://www.swcity.net
> President of Community Linkage Commission
> http://comlinkage.tripod.com
> "wing" <bathgate at prodigy.net> wrote in message
> news:3a96c09c at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> awhile.
and
> drop
> supports.
> for
up,
die
> possible,
>
>
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Feb 28, 2001, 10:53pm
If AW has to rewrite the database or anything then they should try backing
it up, you know, in case they figure out a way to change that so it works
with the "new" AW, that is if their hard drive can handle it (...mine can
handle AW and 3 copies of it and still be able to hold the stuff it has on
it now...) Though if they did I'd want to have like super changes to AW
(visible limbs in first person mode, maybe voice stuff, av noises, stuff
like that) because I wouldn't think of it being worth losing all of my
builds for more visibility or soemthing.
--
My two cents,
Captain MAD Mike
[View Quote]john viper <jviper at jtsoft.net> wrote in message
news:3a97ca31 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> This is the only downside. I think it would be a worthy sacrifice,
however
> if AW thinks they can get away with it once, they might do it again.
>
> -John
>
> "sw comit" <swcomit at swcity.net> wrote in message
> news:3a96f6b0$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> and
would
offered
> up,
be
> die
take
users
>
>
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Feb 28, 2001, 11:26pm
Your hard drive can handle 3 copies of the AW database? Where'd you suddenly
come up with 300 gigs?
[View Quote]"captain mad mike" <cmadmike at crosswinds.net> wrote in message
news:3a9d9d7e at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> If AW has to rewrite the database or anything then they should try backing
> it up, you know, in case they figure out a way to change that so it works
> with the "new" AW, that is if their hard drive can handle it (...mine can
> handle AW and 3 copies of it and still be able to hold the stuff it has on
> it now...) Though if they did I'd want to have like super changes to AW
> (visible limbs in first person mode, maybe voice stuff, av noises, stuff
> like that) because I wouldn't think of it being worth losing all of my
> builds for more visibility or soemthing.
>
>
> --
> My two cents,
> Captain MAD Mike
> john viper <jviper at jtsoft.net> wrote in message
> news:3a97ca31 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> however
done?
=D
software
> would
functioning.
> offered
built
to
would
> be
to
> take
older
> users
for
>
>
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Mar 1, 2001, 12:37am
LoL He could have 2 seagate barracuda 180 gig harddrive (yeah right they
only cost like $7000 each, lol) I doubt anyone has enough harddrive space to
hold 300 gigs that has a personal computer..only a very large server, lol..
[View Quote]"wing" <bathgate at prodigy.net> wrote in message
news:3a9da55b at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> Your hard drive can handle 3 copies of the AW database? Where'd you
suddenly
> come up with 300 gigs?
> "captain mad mike" <cmadmike at crosswinds.net> wrote in message
> news:3a9d9d7e at server1.Activeworlds.com...
backing
works
can
on
> done?
work
> =D
in
> software
> functioning.
> built
never
> to
> would
> to
> older
> for
>
>
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Mar 1, 2001, 12:45am
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What about 4 Maxtor 98196H8 IDE (81 GB, about 300$ each), software raid
?
xero schrieb:
>
> LoL He could have 2 seagate barracuda 180 gig harddrive (yeah right they
> only cost like $7000 each, lol) I doubt anyone has enough harddrive space to
> hold 300 gigs that has a personal computer..only a very large server, lol..
[View Quote]> "wing" <bathgate at prodigy.net> wrote in message
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Mar 1, 2001, 1:31am
That would work too, lol..just requires more space..
[View Quote]"ananas" <vha at oct31.de> wrote in message news:3A9DB546.8F9F6488 at oct31.de...
> What about 4 Maxtor 98196H8 IDE (81 GB, about 300$ each), software raid
> ?
>
> xero schrieb:
space to
lol..
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Mar 1, 2001, 2:07am
The amount of whining that people do about AWCI's customer support and not
caring about the citizens ... and then someone comes up with this type of
rediculous trash. Geesh !!
AW has an established user base that THEY would be short of sense to ignore.
Get some perspective!
[View Quote]"35850" <!> wrote in message news:3a975ff6$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> Not true. But if you had any sense, you wouldn't care that much no matter
> what it was.
>
> "sw comit" <swcomit at swcity.net> wrote in message
> news:3a97563e at server1.Activeworlds.com...
>
>
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Mar 1, 2001, 6:17am
[View Quote]wing wrote:
>
> Your hard drive can handle 3 copies of the AW database? Where'd you suddenly
> come up with 300 gigs?
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Just a little correction:
AW database is roughly 4 Gig.
Andras
Mar 1, 2001, 8:06am
[View Quote]"andras" <andras at andras.net> wrote in message
news:3A9E0414.7FE8953D at andras.net...
> wing wrote:
suddenly
>
> Just a little correction:
> AW database is roughly 4 Gig.
> Andras
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yup. 100gb is about the uncompressed size of AW's map tree
(http://awmap.vevo.com/about.html). And even that is only a gig when
compressed. So if you would want to have 3 uncompressed copies of the map,
you would need that much disk space. Not for AW's database itself.
rolu
Mar 1, 2001, 10:01am
They make em that big??? *turns red and hides his highest performance and
biggest hard drive, a Maxtor 250 gig)
Hard drives are like penises... I'll leave the rest up to the imagination.
[View Quote]"xero" <xero at darkvapor.com> wrote in message
news:3a9db5e2 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> LoL He could have 2 seagate barracuda 180 gig harddrive (yeah right they
> only cost like $7000 each, lol) I doubt anyone has enough harddrive space
to
> hold 300 gigs that has a personal computer..only a very large server,
lol..
> "wing" <bathgate at prodigy.net> wrote in message
> news:3a9da55b at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> suddenly
> backing
> works
> can
has
> on
AW
stuff
> work
> in
based,
engine
> never
effective
universes
shadows,
few
1
be
>
>
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Mar 1, 2001, 10:05am
4 gigs? For the amount of time it takes for them to shuffle it around and
restore from backup I'd assume it was like 80.Of course, I don't allow much
for slow backup media (lame DATs and such) or the inevitable incompetance of
those playing with the server. (Going home and eating dinner, etc.)
[View Quote]"andras" <andras at andras.net> wrote in message
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> wing wrote:
suddenly
>
> Just a little correction:
> AW database is roughly 4 Gig.
> Andras
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Mar 1, 2001, 2:56pm
Bah. It's not about the current customer base... anyone should be able to
see that. The number of people loyal to AW isn't going to be nearly enough
to even keep it afloat. Besides, the entire structure of the software is bad
at best, and won't last much longer with all this hacking and slashing. Why
don't YOU get some perspective, eh?
[View Quote]"grimble" <grimble2000 at btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:3a9dcaea at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> The amount of whining that people do about AWCI's customer support and not
> caring about the citizens ... and then someone comes up with this type of
> rediculous trash. Geesh !!
>
> AW has an established user base that THEY would be short of sense to
ignore.
> Get some perspective!
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Mar 1, 2001, 3:21pm
[View Quote]rolu wrote:
>
> "andras" <andras at andras.net> wrote in message
> news:3A9E0414.7FE8953D at andras.net...
> suddenly
>
> yup. 100gb is about the uncompressed size of AW's map tree
> (http://awmap.vevo.com/about.html). And even that is only a gig when
> compressed. So if you would want to have 3 uncompressed copies of the map,
> you would need that much disk space. Not for AW's database itself.
>
> rolu
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I don't want to be nitpicking but who was talking about "maps"??
> Your hard drive can handle 3 copies of the AW database? Where'd you suddenly
> come up with 300 gigs?
Those are your words . DATABASE isn't it?
Andras
Mar 1, 2001, 3:23pm
[View Quote]andras wrote:
>
> rolu wrote:
>
> I don't want to be nitpicking but who was talking about "maps"??
>
>
> Those are your words . DATABASE isn't it?
>
> Andras
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Ops - sorry :) Wrong recipient !
Andras
Mar 1, 2001, 3:26pm
[View Quote]wing wrote:
>
> 4 gigs? For the amount of time it takes for them to shuffle it around and
> restore from backup I'd assume it was like 80.Of course, I don't allow much
> for slow backup media (lame DATs and such) or the inevitable incompetance of
> those playing with the server. (Going home and eating dinner, etc.)
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We are not talking about "shuffling around" the database. To check for consistency it takes much more time than to just copy it! Without that one you'll end up with a crazy BI:) <trust me - I know it from experience!>
Andras
Mar 1, 2001, 5:39pm
[View Quote]"andras" <andras at andras.net> wrote in message
news:3A9E83CB.B267F03D at andras.net...
> rolu wrote:
map,
>
> I don't want to be nitpicking but who was talking about "maps"??
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well, the vevo map was the only AW related thing that's about 100gb, so I
thouhgt I'd mention it.
suddenly
>
> Those are your words . DATABASE isn't it?
not my words, Wing said that :-)
rolu
Mar 1, 2001, 11:08pm
...actually.. i completeley disagree-I personally feel aw has plenty of money
to go around.. over 30 universes, all paying their money to aw.. over 700
worlds.. paying they're money to aw.. at any one time there can be 300-700+
users on aw.. most paying they're money to aw.. and with all of this money
coming in.. what do they have to pay for? maybe rent (for the building)
connection.. servers.. employees.. but I'm almost certain that their money
coming in is a much higher rate then they're money going out.. you'll talk
about how low they're stock is, but when considering the recession, and what
there stock HAS been.. it's not that bad.... a lot of large succesfull
companies are merging with aw.. so it can't be THAT pathetic.. but i could
be wrong....
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http://platinum.awjbell.com
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[View Quote]"35850" <!> wrote in message news:3a9e7f28$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
: Bah. It's not about the current customer base... anyone should be able to
: see that. The number of people loyal to AW isn't going to be nearly enough
: to even keep it afloat. Besides, the entire structure of the software is
bad
: at best, and won't last much longer with all this hacking and slashing.
Why
: don't YOU get some perspective, eh?
:
: "grimble" <grimble2000 at btinternet.com> wrote in message
: news:3a9dcaea at server1.Activeworlds.com...
: > The amount of whining that people do about AWCI's customer support and
not
: > caring about the citizens ... and then someone comes up with this type
of
: > rediculous trash. Geesh !!
: >
: > AW has an established user base that THEY would be short of sense to
: ignore.
: > Get some perspective!
:
:
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Mar 2, 2001, 12:44am
30 universes? I've been on AW for 3 years and I've only heard of about 5 of
them, lol.
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Mar 2, 2001, 5:33am
...i hope you don't want me to list them.. actually.. i've got time..
here's... 38 of them. but i'm sure there's more..
ActiveWorlds
City4All
NightShift
Visiosonic
RedDog
OuterWorlds
Ohio United
VectorScape
Dreamland Park
Galaxy Worlds
Village 3D
EduVerse
Peaceworld
Brasil Worlds
Futebol Total
Galileo
Fandom
Ultraworld
BlurCity
Karlskrona2
Wolfsburg2
VWorlds
Spannk
UltraWorlds
VR-Cincy
VMenta
Campus
Outside of Mall
DigitalSpace
EWorldUnion
MegaCity
CyberNetWorlds
Hanarotel
awbkor
Dadaworld
AWABA
VideoRanch
ChatXY
....and the list goes on..
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J B E L L
http://platinum.awjbell.com
G O I N G P L A T I N U M
[View Quote]"sw comit" <swcomit at swcity.net> wrote in message
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: 30 universes? I've been on AW for 3 years and I've only heard of about 5
of
: them, lol.
:
: --
: SW Comit
: swcomit at swcity.net
: Mayor of SW City
: http://www.swcity.net
: President of Community Linkage Commission
: http://comlinkage.tripod.com
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Mar 2, 2001, 5:39am
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lol - could it be that I know this list from somewhere? ;)
j b e l l schrieb:
>
> ..i hope you don't want me to list them.. actually.. i've got time..
> here's... 38 of them. but i'm sure there's more..
>
> ActiveWorlds
> City4All
> NightShift
> Visiosonic
> RedDog
> OuterWorlds
> Ohio United
> VectorScape
> Dreamland Park
> Galaxy Worlds
> Village 3D
> EduVerse
> Peaceworld
> Brasil Worlds
> Futebol Total
> Galileo
> Fandom
> Ultraworld
> BlurCity
> Karlskrona2
> Wolfsburg2
> VWorlds
> Spannk
> UltraWorlds
> VR-Cincy
> VMenta
> Campus
> Outside of Mall
> DigitalSpace
> EWorldUnion
> MegaCity
> CyberNetWorlds
> Hanarotel
> awbkor
> Dadaworld
> AWABA
> VideoRanch
> ChatXY
>
> ...and the list goes on..
> --
>
> J B E L L
> http://platinum.awjbell.com
> G O I N G P L A T I N U M
>
[View Quote]> "sw comit" <swcomit at swcity.net> wrote in message
> news:3a9f08fc$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> : 30 universes? I've been on AW for 3 years and I've only heard of about 5
> of
> : them, lol.
> :
> : --
> : SW Comit
> : swcomit at swcity.net
> : Mayor of SW City
> : http://www.swcity.net
> : President of Community Linkage Commission
> : http://comlinkage.tripod.com
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Mar 2, 2001, 8:27am
Don't forget the galexies. They're expensive and theres more than a few.
[View Quote]"j b e l l" <jbell1983 at home.com> wrote in message
news:3a9f4ce3$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> ..i hope you don't want me to list them.. actually.. i've got time..
> here's... 38 of them. but i'm sure there's more..
>
> ActiveWorlds
> City4All
> NightShift
> Visiosonic
> RedDog
> OuterWorlds
> Ohio United
> VectorScape
> Dreamland Park
> Galaxy Worlds
> Village 3D
> EduVerse
> Peaceworld
> Brasil Worlds
> Futebol Total
> Galileo
> Fandom
> Ultraworld
> BlurCity
> Karlskrona2
> Wolfsburg2
> VWorlds
> Spannk
> UltraWorlds
> VR-Cincy
> VMenta
> Campus
> Outside of Mall
> DigitalSpace
> EWorldUnion
> MegaCity
> CyberNetWorlds
> Hanarotel
> awbkor
> Dadaworld
> AWABA
> VideoRanch
> ChatXY
>
> ...and the list goes on..
> --
>
> J B E L L
> http://platinum.awjbell.com
> G O I N G P L A T I N U M
>
>
> "sw comit" <swcomit at swcity.net> wrote in message
> news:3a9f08fc$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> : 30 universes? I've been on AW for 3 years and I've only heard of about
5
> of
> : them, lol.
> :
> : --
> : SW Comit
> : swcomit at swcity.net
> : Mayor of SW City
> : http://www.swcity.net
> : President of Community Linkage Commission
> : http://comlinkage.tripod.com
> :
> :
>
>
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Mar 2, 2001, 11:51am
According to their last couple of SEC filings, they only recently started to make a profit... Scary...
-Agent1
[View Quote]"j b e l l" <jbell1983 at home.com> wrote in message news:3a9ef288 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> ..actually.. i completeley disagree-I personally feel aw has plenty of money
> to go around.. over 30 universes, all paying their money to aw.. over 700
> worlds.. paying they're money to aw.. at any one time there can be 300-700+
> users on aw.. most paying they're money to aw.. and with all of this money
> coming in.. what do they have to pay for? maybe rent (for the building)
> connection.. servers.. employees.. but I'm almost certain that their money
> coming in is a much higher rate then they're money going out.. you'll talk
> about how low they're stock is, but when considering the recession, and what
> there stock HAS been.. it's not that bad.... a lot of large succesfull
> companies are merging with aw.. so it can't be THAT pathetic.. but i could
> be wrong....
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> J B E L L
> http://platinum.awjbell.com
> G O I N G P L A T I N U M
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> "35850" <!> wrote in message news:3a9e7f28$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> : Bah. It's not about the current customer base... anyone should be able to
> : see that. The number of people loyal to AW isn't going to be nearly enough
> : to even keep it afloat. Besides, the entire structure of the software is
> bad
> : at best, and won't last much longer with all this hacking and slashing.
> Why
> : don't YOU get some perspective, eh?
> :
> : "grimble" <grimble2000 at btinternet.com> wrote in message
> : news:3a9dcaea at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> : > The amount of whining that people do about AWCI's customer support and
> not
> : > caring about the citizens ... and then someone comes up with this type
> of
> : > rediculous trash. Geesh !!
> : >
> : > AW has an established user base that THEY would be short of sense to
> : ignore.
> : > Get some perspective!
> :
> :
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