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Feb 26, 2002, 10:31pm

Not sure how fast you want it then. Its going to be as fast as "shooting"
the guy - the bot has to do it whatever.

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Feb 27, 2002, 12:54am

Maybe I am not understanding what you mean. I mean have sequences 0 to 5
(for example) as weapon select on ALL player avatars in the world. I am
assuming you're having custom avatars from what you said earlier (although I
may be reading between the lines too much).

Grims

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Feb 27, 2002, 7:12am

Good point ... and if you call them "1st", "2nd", etc. or whatever, in the
avatars.dat, with the numbers at the beginning of the name, I guess you can
use Alt+1, Alt+2, etc. to select the weapons.

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Mar 6, 2002, 12:50am

Not crappy ... just different. You can have a control array in VB and
load/unload instances of the control dynamically, which is synonymous with
accepting the instance pointer from the aw_create method in C.

Grims

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Mar 22, 2002, 6:28pm

Although the local timezone is clearly important since that's the time you
have available, windows gives you a mechanism to find out what you need to
know. VRT is GMT - 2 (the middle of the Atlantic somewhere), which you can
get from Windows very easily using the GetTimeZoneInformation windows API
call.

The SDK only gets one notification of the current VRT ... in the
AW_EVENT_UNIVERSE_ATTRIBUTES event. Because of this, you have to maintain
the VRT value yourself. each time you want to update the display. There are
three stages to handling VRT ...

(1) When you receive the AW_EVENT_UNIVERSE_ATTRIBUTES event (after a
successful login), calculate and store the difference between the value in
supplied in the AW_UNIVERSE_TIME attribute and the local time on the client
machine at that point. Note that the VRT value is the number of seconds
since midnight on 1st Jan 1970 and so you need bear this in mind. You can
get a relative date/time by using VB's DateAdd function:

datetimeVRT = DateAdd("s", awSDK.AwUniverseTime, "1 Jan 1970 00:00:00")

HOWEVER, this will be based on midnight 1st Jan 1970 IN YOUR TIMEZONE and
will result in a date/time close to the current date/time IN YOUR TIMEZONE.

(2) Immediately after performing (1) ... i.e. still in the event handler ...
calculate the difference between the current date/time on your machine and
the value caluclated in (1). This will be the difference between the
relative VRT and your local time and should be a number of seconds.

offsetVRT = DateDiff("s", datetimeVRT, Now())

the value in offsetVRT will need to be available later.

(3) Each time you want to display the current VRT you will need to apply two
offsets to your local date/time ... the minor difference between the two
clocks (offsetVRT above) and the GMT - 2 adjustment. The first is simple
using VB's DateAdd function again, but the GMT value is where the Windows
API call comes in. I'm not going to go into it here, but I've attached a
small project that shows VRT on a form after logging in. The module
modTimeZoneSupport is taken from code I found in a vbCity forum, but
basically the GetUTCTime function will return GMT. Then you just need to
apply a -2 hour time difference with DateAdd (yet again) and Robert's your
father's brother ... VRT.

Don't expect to match the AW Browser VRT display ... it won't happen through
design, purely by coincidence.

Hope this helps.

Grims.



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Apr 26, 2002, 9:15pm

The bot method is the only fool-proof and accurate way to do it, as Baron
describes. I'm guessing that your trying to do this as a kind of
"sister-app" for the browser, although I'm a bit confused where "from 4
miles away" comes into it if you're not intending on using a bot.

Another problem of the title bar method is that oneone tap of the F11 key
and your source of information is gone. I can see why you'd rather not use a
bot, since the darned thing needs to be visible in the world to receive the
AW_AVATAR_* events and that's just nasty.

One central bot or group of interlinked bots with TCP capabilities and a
small client that queries the it/them for a specific citizen's location
would be the neatest way to achieve it, but obviously more involved.

Good luck.

Grims

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Apr 27, 2002, 2:52pm

Still nasty ... :O)

Grims

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May 3, 2002, 7:23pm

Like I said, I think there is only one way to do it successfully ... which
is nasty. Not judging.

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May 5, 2002, 8:40pm

The most likely turn of events ...

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May 20, 2002, 1:56pm

Its the same problem as you get if you want to wrap the Winsock control ...
there is no object exposed under the control for you to instantiate - so the
control HAS to be owned by a valid container (a form).

There are two ways to handle it. The first (and quickest in terms of
development) definitely works but is a bit nasty, and that's to have a form
with just an SDK control on it (plus a timer if you like - to keep the bot
class self contained). The class then has two member variables to handle
it - one for the form and one (WithEvents) for the control. In the
class_initialize, instantiate a new form against the form member variable
and then set the control member variable to the control on the form. This
example may look like the MSDN code.

Consider a form called frmBotControl, as described above, with the SDK
control on it (called awSDK).

Private mControlForm as frmBotControl
Private WithEvents mAWSDK as AwSdkOcx4

Private Sub Class_Initialize()

Set mControlForm = New frmBotControl
Set mAWSDK = mControlForm.awSDK

End Sub

Private Sub Class_Terminate()

mAWSDK.AwTerm()
Set mAWSDK = Nothing

Unload mControlForm
Set mControlForm = Nothing

End Sub

Using the above, you should be able to instantiate a single bot (unless I've
forgotten something), totally self-contained, communicating using the mAWSDK
member variable and receiving all the events through it. It can run
out-of-process too. The other way is to build a broker class that does
basically the same thing but loads/unloads its own SDK controls on its own
form to hand out to other classes requesting it. Essentially, you would
start the broker and the initialisation code of the bot class would request
a control from the broker and the terminate code would tell it to discard
it.

The broker method is "Nicer" but I've always used the first way, with an
intention of putting the broker in place later. The problem is I've never
got around to it, and I have a feeling it may not let you unless you make
the form in the broker public (ick!) .... and maybe not even then.

If you're not going to start a whole bunch of bot classes, then there's no
real impact on having a form/control in the bot class itself.

Hope that helps, otherwise let me know and I'll knock up an example for you
to use as a template to save some time and keep your follicles in your scalp
where they belong.

Grims.

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May 21, 2002, 8:29am

Is this a reply to Brant's question? If so, I think you're wrong - its not
simpler to make a bot class in C++ (which I assume you meant).

The main issue is that you cannot provide a reference to a class member
function as a callback function, so the whole callback process must be
supported by a separate mechanism. This mechanism has to accept the event,
determine the object that the event was intended for using the instance sdk
instance parameter and deliver it accordingly.

Also, all instances of VB classes are created as COM objects and therefore a
COM DLL can be created very easily to distribute the classes as a bot
framework with very little additional work as well as run out-of-process
very easily.

Grims


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May 21, 2002, 10:01am

I'm not trying to convince you. Your comment was that it was simpler to
create bot classing C++, which is not correct. The simplest of the two
options is clearly using VB. Its true that VB has no implementation of
polymorphism and subclassing, but that is a totally different subject and
not relevent here.

You'll have to forgive me for not understanding what "I cant imagine running
2 different callbacks in the same setting for 1 AW Event, in any language."
might mean. If you have more than one bot running within the same
application, the application must use some mechanism to route the events to
the correct bot class. The SDK cannot do it because you cannot connect the
callback to a member function of the class, so it has to be outside the
class. Since you can have more than one instance of the bot, some form of
registration with a central "active bot instances" list is required, so that
the events for a particular instance can be routed to the class representing
that instance. An example would be a simple bot that tracks avatar
movements. This could be instantiated twice int he same application, one for
each of two worlds. Same events are registered with the SDK for both bots,
but you wouldn't want the messages intended for the bot in world #1 being
delivered to the bot tracking world #2.

As for DLLs, since we're talking about encapsulating SDK function in a
class, the DLL in question would need to expose that class in a suitable
way. VB can create COM based DLLs and applications for in-process and
out-of-process objects ... more easily and quicker than the same task in
C++.


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May 24, 2002, 4:20pm

I think the way I would approach it (even in C++) would be to prebuild (and
maintain) a 40x40 cell array to cover the query area, and then, under each
cell (using the largest possible bounding box for each model), hold a list
of references to the models that MAY overlap it. That would obviously cut
down the checks to the objects that could feasibly be in the cell.

May 24, 2002, 5:40pm

Please don't turn this into another "C++ is better than VB" thread. If you
steer clear of huge amounts of classes there's no issue real with VBs
performance in something like this. I really don't see where the overhead
comes in. If you structure and reference the stores appropriately, there's
no great overhead on managing the array in terms on memory or speed.
Compiled VB code "number crunches" at comparable speeds to compiled C++.

The key to improving performance of anything is to move as much of the
process as possible out of repetitive tasks. Object placement is not the
time to go navigating a list of any reasonable size. Storage vs Performance
is always a balance and slightly larger memory usage is of no consequence
when it comes to avoiding a 2 second parse of a collection.


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May 26, 2002, 10:15am

Just to close this daft and uninformed "VB is slow/crap" trash, I've now
implemented exactly what Brant described which has been tested with a 3x3
survey zone at three reasonably well populated locations including
AlphaWorld GZ. Below are summaries of the zones ("Models" is the number of
unique models used, "Objects" are the number of actual objects in the zone
and "References" is the total number of references to the objects - i.e. the
number of potential overlaps calculated using the origin of the object and
the maximum distance of a vertex from the its origin).

Area 1 - Models: 159, Objects: 3367, References: 27693
Area 2 - Models: 232, Objects: 3920, References: 31447
AlphaWorld GZ - Models: 316, Objects: 5792, References: 47476

If anyone can point me to an active building area where I can kick this in
for a few hours for some final testing, that would be welcome.

The maintenance of the cache performs acceptably ... showing a ZERO
execution time on all adds and deletes, while fully maintaining the objects
and their references in the zone and discarding all unwanted data/memory on
the fly. Using a max radius of 1000 (1 cell) for each object - from Brant's
code it looks like he already has this information for each object so there
was no need to replicate the scan of the model file - an encroachment check
on AW GZ is reduced to 63 objects which is negligable and will also show a
zero execution time. For info, a zero exec time calculated using the VB
Timer function represents significantly less that 1/100th of a second (if it
was just under 1/100th of a second, some calls would show a 0.01s exec time
but they're all 0.00).

I'm not going to share the code here, because it was put together for
Brant's use, and I'll leave it up to him whether he wants to post it in the
newsgroup. his project is, after all, "sekrit".

As a final note for all, writing performing VB applications is all about
using the right technologies and methods for each task. All VB objects
(including forms, controls and in-code objects such as collections, as well
as those instantiated from classes) are COM objects with the associated
overheads. COM is intended for interfacing, such as the objects exposed by
MS Office applications for use in VBA and not suitable for excessive
internal use. Every time you access an object in VB it must pass through all
the marshalling inplace to enable the object to be exposed outside the
application/component (although there is less of this for private classes,
it is still there). A few internal classes in an application is fine, such
as one for a world session table which allows all the session table related
function/data to be encapsulated. However, private data should be maintained
the "old-fashioned" way with user defined types, dynamic arrays and
appropriate management routines (ultimately not that different to writing a
class). Even if you intend to expose an instance of the internal data as a
class (such as an avatar in the session table example), the chances are it
would perform substantially better if a new object is created on-the-fly
from the internal stores when it is requested.

To demonstrate the difference, if classes and collections were used in the
code for Brant then memory is gobbled up quick as you like, and we've seen
from Brant's original post what the performance implications are. Using
structures and managed dynamic arrays, you get the performance I've
indicated above and minimal impact on memory usage. It all depends on a
balance between the number of accesses vs the internal overheads you face in
managing collections of objects.

I'll say again, compiled VB code performs comparably with compiled C++
code - THIS IS A FACT no matter what your prejudices. If you directly
convert VB code, as-written, to C++ (creating ATL classes for the each of
the coded and supplied classes used in VB) then that application would
perfrom roughly the same as the VB equivalent. Any programmer worth their
salt uses the language that best suits them, including the level of
expertise they have available on a given language and its suitability to the
task. Anyone that makes general claims that one language is "better" than
another or disparages a specific language off the cuff is a fool. Although
VB is a BASIC derivative in terms of syntax, anyone that sees that fact as
significant is sorely illinformed.


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May 26, 2002, 11:30am

34 Year old with 16 years experience in the development of cross-platform,
enterprise and large-scale financial systems in a number of languages and
environments. Currently a self-employed software consultant working for
international companies. Bite me!

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May 27, 2002, 4:11pm

*sigh* ... gotta say, didn't expect you to join the ranks of people who
can't keep a serious perspective on a development newsgroup. As I said only
two sentences further on ... "For info, a zero exec time calculated using
the VB Timer function represents significantly less that 1/100th of a second
(if it was just under 1/100th of a second, some calls would show a 0.01s
exec time
but they're all 0.00)." Make an effort will ya!

Why is it that people would rather say anything than have nothing to say at
all?

Grims

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May 28, 2002, 12:23am

[View Quote] Sorry ... I have very little sense of humour with this NG at the moment.

> You were making the claim that your code can do the impossible only later
to
> add "oh yeah... that's only because the timer I'm using isn't accurate
> enough".

;o) Do you really think I would write a post that size and making the
points I did and not have it say exactly what I wanted, how I wanted it to?
It was a qualification to ensure the point was clear ... ironically to avoid
comments like "Bullsh*t, zero exec time". I'll leave you all for a while I
think, and pass on anything I have to add to any threads by e-mail.

Grims

Jun 3, 2002, 2:39pm

With AWObj being an object (or rather a reference to an object), the method
itself is a function call. Worst of all though is the impact of referencing
objects in VB. All references to an object cause a temporary copy of the
entire object to be made on the stack, the method is then called and finally
the copy is discarded. This takes time and is done for EVERY reference. This
is why the With statement exists, where VB will create one copy on the
object and reference it throughout the block. For example, the following two
snippets of code do the same thing functionally, but under the covers they
work very differenly as you will see from the comments.

Version #1
var1 = AWObj.X 'Copy to stack, execute X method, discard stack copy
var2 = AWObj.X 'Copy to stack, execute X method, discard stack copy
var3 = AWObj.X 'Copy to stack, execute X method, discard stack copy
var4 = AWObj.X 'Copy to stack, execute X method, discard stack copy

Version #2
With AWObj 'Copy to stack
var1 = .X 'Execute X method
var2 = .X 'Execute X method
var3 = .X 'Execute X method
var4 = .X 'Execute X method
End With 'Discard stack copy

Therefore using something like objX = AWObj.X and then using objX for the
conditions would benefit the performance considerably, since objX is a
direct reference to the stack.

As for the XCounter and ZCounter loops, datedman's point is very valid.
Unless these values alter the environment somehow, either by being
referenced in the loop or controlling a counter or something similar, all
that is happening is that exactly the same values are being referenced. In
this particular code, the loop is just a loop, nothing else. If the subject
of the loop does nothing, then the loop is redundant. All the conditions
will evaluate to the same result in every pass of the loop since all the
values that ARE referenced (AWObj.X, TempX, CellX, AWObj.Z, TempZ and CellZ)
never change.

Grims.


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Jun 5, 2002, 2:15am

Except of course that datedman was right.

Grims

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Jun 5, 2002, 9:51am

How so???? Apologies to Brant for keep referring to the code he posted, but
....


"One thing I can suggest is that you use > instead of >= since I don't know
if VB figures that out for itself and I suspect it does not."

** This may be true ... I read this as using ((x < y) or (x = y)) in place
of (x <= y). I don't know, but datedman certainly wasn't suggesting changing
the code so it didn't fit the logic. If this did perform better, the
optimizer in the native code compiler would almost certainly pick it up.

"Another thing I see happening is that you're comparing to awobj.x several
times and it's possible that VB will be faster if you assign this to a
variable."

** Correct ... BIGTIME

"Also, you could put more parentheses in some expressions to make things
more clear to VB for instance in"

** Again, whether adding parentheses is something that will improve
performance I don't know, but it would make sense if it did, by explicity
defining the expression and the order in which they are to be evaulated.
Probably only a small scale and in native code, the order would be described
by the optimizer. It may well help the performance of P-Code compiles
though.

"You also have several places where you're subtracting tempx from awobj.x,
assign to a variable."

** Correct - obviously inefficient

"either I am missing something drastic or "Xcounter" and "Zcounter" are
never used within the loops."

** Correct - they're not

"why thehell would you set up step loops using xcounter and zcounter and
then never reference them within the loops?"

** Correct - perfectly valid point that meant a mass of pointless code
execution as it was posted


How "right" do you need him to be before you stop judging? These aren't
opinions ... they're mostly facts, and not exactly obscure ones at that. The
vast majority of programming isn't about syntax and therefore its not about
language knowledge. You don't have to start totally clueless when you learn
a new language because the basic contructs and methods are the same.
Datedman doesn't need VB experience to make suggestions, in fact some of
what he suggested actually has a much bigger impact in VB than he may have
realised when he posted.

KAH's reply was cocky, bordering on condescending and rude (in my opinion).
Some of what he said was wrong and other parts were just opinions of his
own. I think he deserved a slap, and he got (a gentle) one. Now stop looking
for a fight and add something helpful.

Grimble

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Jun 5, 2002, 3:19pm

No KAH, you're missing the point mate. Its not abotu which method to use to
do that loop, its the effect of the loop of the execution. If nothing
changes between between each pass of the loop, then the loop is redundant.
Consider the following loop, which is a simplified equivalent to what is in
the posted code:

y = 1
matched = False
For x = 1 To 100
If y = 20 Then
matched = True
Exit For
End If
Next x

This loop (whether implemented as a For ... Next or a Do ... Loop) will
ALWAYS, without fail, execute 100 times and "matched" will ALWAYS end up as
False because in each pass of the loop, y = 1. The only thing that is
changing between each pass is the value of x which is not referenced within
the loop.

The same is true of the original code, where the only values that change in
the loop are XCounter and ZCounter which are not referenced so every
condition within the loop will evaluate to the same as it does in every
other pass. To be more specific, the value of (AWObj.X >= CellX), (AWObj.X
<= CellX), (AWObj.Z >= CellZ) and (AWObj.Z <= CellZ) do not change. If
theconditions fail on the first pass, they will fail on every pass.

If you still don't get it, then I guess you never will.


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May 26, 2002, 10:54am

3rd Party UI Library? Any reason you chose not to use the MFC?

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May 26, 2002, 11:12am

Then you suffer the consequences. A bot had better be pretty exceptional and
different to warrant 16MB download and, more importantly the installation
of that shuff.

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May 26, 2002, 4:32pm

Filter time ... bye

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May 31, 2002, 7:49am

I had to reset my OE cache to get chop at this (which had to be done)
because I couldn't decipher who said what in strike's post. I don't have any
comments on your bot, its the rant ... c'mon!!

Nothing nasty ... just information. If you (chazrad) don't read this then
fine, but you're getting stuff wrong and people are reading it. Not on
really.


> Or are you that incompetent to think that VB is an entity by itself and
> that the compiled exe contains all code necessary to run it?

Steady on tiger!

Just for the record, unless you've only seen a Standard Edition of VB, there
is are two main compilation options. P-Code is the old pre-VB5 method where
the "compiler" optimises the code at the highest level and then converts
that into a pseudo instruction set which is then interpretted at run-time by
the supplied libraries. These days, in the Pro and Enterprise Editions,
there is Native compilation for all code-based functions including memory
access and maths functions. The run-time libraries are still required for
app startup/shutdown, form and control handling and a number of the language
functions. However, the vast majority of the code is compiled into the
executable as machine instructions and the run-time calls are just execution
branch/returns.

>
> Or that that the VB distributables contain all the code to run your app?

Not quite sure what the focus of "distributable" is here. Naturally, being a
M$ product, VB is based on the MFC libraries, which are distributed as part
of an installation package. VB is a development platform for Windows ... so
it clearly needs windows. What is missing?

>
> Or that VB doesn't incur an enormous overhead because of it's lack of
> typing?
>
> Imagine the code necessary to check every time in a loop if the variable
> you give it is a char, word, double word and so on.

KAH's already stated this but VB is heavily typed ... just as much as any
language. The only difference is that the default data type for a variable
or a function return value if its not explicitly specified is the evil
VARIANT, which can hold most types of VB data (not user defined types though
I think) and it naturally carries with it a data type indicator. For
programmers that are either lazy or haven't had the experience from other
languages where typing is mandatory and developed the good habits required
for programming any language effectively, there will be a lot of variants
from non-declared variables and yes you'll get overheads. When you code
appropriately, there is none. This is always the one of the first things
VB-bashers throw up ... no data typing ... and its wrong. VB is a very typed
language with one "catch-all" exception. At the end of the day, its up to
the programmer to understand the tool and its pitfalls. You can force
declaration of all variables with one simple setting, so there is not excuse
for not declaring all variables and as a specific type.

>
> To have switch cases with open arrays instead of fixed words, try to
> write a parser that will arrange that for you maybe then you will
> realize the enormous price you pay for the userfriendlyness of basic.

There are equivalents in VB to managing char arrays (assuming that's what
you mean ... I struggled a bit) in C. No they're not as efficient, requiring
a function call to the run-time libraries (which will no doubt implement
exactly what you would do in C), but the code doesn't get any more
complicated and any cost in terms of performance really isn't as big as you
seem to believe. VB has switch equivalents, that are compiled to jump
tables, just like in C and any other language that supports them.

>
> I love basic, for it's ease of use, it let's me write a quick and dirty
> prototype of my idea. But to write a full blown enduser safe app in it?
> Not on my life. As easy as it lets me prototype it lets me f**k up an
> app in ways no debugger gets unrevelled in a 100 manhours.

See the paragraph on typing ... any further expression of my views on your
comments on this paragraph would almost certainly be construed as a flame
and that's not the point.

>
> For sure C++ is a pain the ass if you want to write something quickly,
> but for designing and maintaining serious software nothing beats it yet.

I don't think anyone has ever refuted that, but then I may have got bored
part way down a thread. BUT VB is used for both tactical and (to a much
lesser extent) strategic enterprise systems throughout the industry. Lefts
face it, for the most part bots are toys and there's no need to keep hacking
on VB when most people here just want to make bots.

>
> Furthermore don't forget most os's are written in C or C++ combined with
> assembly for a reason.

This is as irrelevant as the "AW isn't written in VB" remark before. Visual
Basic is described, by its manufacturers, as a development system for
Windows.

>
> If you want to slag someone do it well, or at least wait till you have
> seen the product, which i offer to you for a special price ;)

Totally agree! <cheeky grin>

>
> Enough, i've said my piece. I could really go on about this for hours
> because as most of the flamers i've seen sofar my knowledge is based on
> experience and not of selective reading of books.

Its a shame you take that view. You're not the only experienced programmer
here and some people are in a better position to judge certain technologies
than yourself. You don't know most of the people here and their background.
Its the irrational insistence on slating VB that gets a rise out of people
in the first place.

>
> Be happy with whatsoever, and anyday you want ot derise C

I definitely must've missed a post somewhere.

Grims.

May 26, 2002, 7:24am

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Shock horror!! SelColor is documented in the VB Help Files and MSDN!!!

SelColor Method:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=3D/library/en-us/rtfbox=
98/html/vbproselcolor.asp

Color Constants:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=3D/library/en-us/vbenlr=
98/html/vamsccolorconstants.asp

RGB Function:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=3D/library/en-us/vbenlr=
98/html/vafctrgb.asp

Rich Text Box:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=3D/library/en-us/rtfbox=
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(Bother to) Seek and ye shall find.



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May 27, 2002, 10:34am

For your AwEventAvatarChange proc.


Dim radianYaw As Single

With awSDK
radianYaw = ((.AwAvatarYaw / 10) - 180) * 3.1415927 / 180
' Divide Yaw by 10 to get degrees
' subtract 180 from result because you want the point behind the avatar
' multiply by PI/180 to get radians

.AwMyX = .AwAvatarX + (200 * Sin(radianYaw))
.AwMyY = .AwAvatarY
.AwMyZ = .AwAvatarZ + (200 * Cos(radianYaw))
.AwMyYaw = .AwAvatarYaw
.AwStateChange

End With



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May 28, 2002, 12:15am

Sorry Zeo, should have said. The distance is the 200 in the X and Z
expressions (in the same units as the rest of the world). Its the equivalent
of the radius of the circle in Brant's reply to the "Making a bot move in a
circle" post a few threads ago.

(news:3ce8eb97$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com).

Grims


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Jun 5, 2002, 8:08am

I'm getting the complete opposite when I enter a world in Global Mode. The
avatars that are already in the world are not reported when the bot starts,
unlike when aw_state_change is issued. When a new avatar DOES enter the
world, that is when events are received for all the avatars. Bizarre.

Grims

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