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Dec 29, 2000, 8:29pm

You forgot to ask if we cared first...

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Goober King
Anyone else care to add to the pointlessness?
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Dec 31, 2000, 3:57am

Ok, it's late, I'm bored, and curiosity has gotten the better of me.

Since our little newsgroup "family" has seemingly increased
significantly over the past couple months, I'm curious to know how it is
all the "newbies" managed to stumble upon this little slice of AW. So
for all you new people, (by "new", I mean people who just started
posting here after November 1st, 2000) please humor a goober and reply
to this thread explaining how you found the newsgroups. It'd certainly
be more refreshing to read than flame attacks, don't you think? :)

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Goober King
Curiosity killed the goober... many times.
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Dec 31, 2000, 5:23pm

Don't you just *love* it when people don't read your post? I said people
who started posting here *after* November 1st, 2000. The only people who
should be replying to this thread include, but are not limited to: agent
fox mulder, ananas, berserker, captain mad mike, crazy glue il, grimble,
joeman, kah, lanezeri, rocknrollwoman, the derek, tony56, trekker, and
twisted horizon... Not people who've posted here for 6 months, or a
year, or whatever. I just want to know about the *new* people. Is that
too much to ask?

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Goober King
So much for an innocent question... >:P
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Jan 1, 2001, 3:29am

Ahh ok... wasn't sure. I was just scanning names of people who posted
after that and saw yours. Yet another reason why people shouldn't change
their names so often. ;)

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Goober King
Names, they can be *so* confusilating!!
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Jan 3, 2001, 10:59am

Ok people, you can all take a chill pill. As he stated in another post,
Lanezeri isn't going to say anything further about USWF. And why should
he? You guys seem to be doing a great job of dragging the organization's
reputation through the mud by yourselves, flying off the handle like
this. For the good of USWF, I suggest you guys stop for a second, and
actually think about what you're posting BEFORE you post it. Remember,
by posting about USWF, you effectively represent and speak for the
entire USWF organization. If you look bad, you make the org look bad. So
please, just everyone chill and let's try to return civility to these
NGs, eh?

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Goober King
Isn't even going to touch the whole grammar thing...
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Jan 4, 2001, 11:42am

You must convince your brother to turn away from the Dark Side and see
the light. He may have to learn how to deal with more than one mouse
button and file extensions and he'll have to find some way to live
without all the pretty colors, but it will be much better for him in the
long run. Think of it like therapy...

And for the love of COB, just drop the USWF crap already. Yeesh :P

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Goober King
The only good Mac is a dead Mac... or a paperweight.
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Jan 4, 2001, 8:54pm

*boggle* See, this is an extreme case of what I was talking about in my
last article. (<plug> see http://www.awnews.com </plug>) Why would you
respond to a post if you know nothing about the topic? It just mystifies
me.

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Goober King
Never claimed to understand the logic of his subjects...
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Jan 5, 2001, 8:11pm

For the record, people, Crazy Glue is a HE :) Just thought I'd mention
that...

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Goober King
Really hates the s/he crap... :P
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Jan 4, 2001, 8:51pm

The teachers will have to learn about them the same time as everyone
else. So unless there's some teachers who are in on the beta program,
(or will be when it becomes open) you'll have to wait until they figure
it out.

In the meantime, you can read over the AW 3.1 help files and at least
read about the commands: http://www.activeworlds.com/help/aw31

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Goober King
Thinks the new commands won't be *that* hard to pick up...
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Jan 5, 2001, 3:26pm

Read the subject heading, chief.

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Goober King
Hey Eep, is that Reading Comprehension 101 class still open? :P
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Jan 5, 2001, 3:43pm

Yes, it does cost a lot of money to run a company, especially one as
"in-depth" as COF, what with server costs, paychecks, and the like. The
problem is where they're trying to get that money from. Instead of
trying to build a solid customer base (by listening to users' concerns
and thereby giving more people incentive to join) which they can use as
leverage in forming partnerships with other companies, they decide to
skip straight to the partnership part.

In fact, it's my hypothesis that we aren't COF's customers at all. COF's
*true* customers are the companies they peddle to. (e.g. NASA, Juno,
etc) My guess is they just see us (and, by extension, the entire
ActiveWorlds Universe) as a "test run". They release a new version of
AW, test it out in their Universe and on the people who "live" there,
and if it doesn't cause any major problems, then they try to market it
to whoever wants to give it a shot. (This, I suspect, is why JP felt he
could toss a weather bot in AW Prime and no one would notice)

Unfortunately, it is this philosophy that has caused them to run the
company into the ground. With the stock hovering around $.75 as of this
writing, and profits being lost left and right, Rick and JP are going to
have to wake up to the realization that there's more to life than just
corporate sponsorships and checks with a lot of zeros, otherwise you can
all kiss this community of ours, as well as all the other ones dependent
upon AW technology, (i.e. Outerworlds, Vectorscape, City4All, etc)
good-bye.

As for the wishlist NG, my guess is that they put it there in case they
were ever strapped for ideas. If their "creative well" ever runs dry,
they just skim through the wishlist group and say "Do you think those
companies could use this feature?" "Sure, sounds like an idea. Toss it
in."

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Goober King
Ask not for whom the bell tolls... it tolls for COF...
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Jan 5, 2001, 3:48pm

I now know what AFM is! At first I thought maybe he was just a lost 12
yr old, looking for a padded room. But now I understand his true form.
He is the hellspawn of Pokemon Web, nova, and Legion! And here I thought
a person couldn't be any worse! When will the madness end?!

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Goober King
What's next? Someone merging Eep, Wing, and Lucrezia?!
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Jan 6, 2001, 12:52am

Perhaps it was the "think" part of that phrase he was having trouble
with...

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Goober King
You'd think, if indeed you did, people would know how to think...
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Jan 5, 2001, 5:23pm

And this committee would accomplish... what, exactly?

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Goober King
Not a flame... an honest question
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Jan 6, 2001, 10:20pm

For those of you who may have known Protagonist while he was here, a man
by the name of Roderick Moyes had a chance to interview him and get his
thoughts on the current state of AW, as well as what Protag has been up
to lately. 'Tis a very fine article and I recommend it to all. Even for
those of you who've never even heard of Protagonist, this is your chance
to find out all about the *true* creator of ActiveWorlds and his
original vision. Head over to http://www.awnews.com and click the story
about Ron Britvich, aka Protagonist. Enjoy!
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Goober King
Maybe Moyes can do an interview with Dataman next! :)
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Jan 7, 2001, 4:11pm

Speak of the devil, eh? :)

I sense a little hostility there, Dats... I wonder, what would you have
done differently to help AW move along? I'll admit Ron probably didn't
do as much with AW as he could have, (he was basically expecting the AW
users to make it great for him) but it was certainly better than the
alternative, in my view. (that being COF)

Either way, glad to have ya back! You should come around more often! :)

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Goober King
*tries again* Maybe Moyes could do an interview with Cryonics next! :)
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Jan 8, 2001, 8:18pm

I must say, that's not exactly the best way to address someone else's
concerns. True, Eep's bedside manner could use a little polishing, but
he has some valid concerns that are shared by a number of people. I,
personally, would like to know the status of RWXMod and if there's ever
going to be a version that emulates 3.0/3.1. Considering Eep accused you
of avoiding him when he brought it up in the past, it doesn't really
look all that good when you continue to dodge the question. *smirk*

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Goober King
A double-team... *this* should be fun! :)
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Jan 7, 2001, 4:16pm

Well, they did it once before, but that was back in the infancy of AW
when not many people had built there and they felt they had to start
from scratch. But now, AW's too far gone for COF to start over, even if
they wanted to. You think just having the AW server go offline for a few
day is bad, wiping the AW database completely would probably sink the
company for good! :P

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Goober King
Beware the Meteor Strike... it may come again...
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Jan 11, 2001, 3:09pm

That's because Juno paid them to build the world, keep the server
running and to pay for all the citizenships their users would get. But
as far as the Juno user's concerned, the citizenship is free, which was
what Eep was referring to.

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Goober King
Thank you, Captain Obvious!
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Jan 8, 2001, 2:28am

Ok trekker... I'm going to type this nice and slow so you can understand
it, ok?

We.... don't.... care... about... you.
If you have a problem with Mr. Joeman, tell him via email or tgram.
Don't tell us.
If you have a problem with USWF, tell them via email, tgram, or message
board. Don't tell us.
If you have a problem that somehow affects the entire AW community and
you want our opinion/help, THEN you can tell us.

Until then, don't talk. Ever.

P.S. And please, don't give me that "I don't care what the fuck you
thinck" line. This has nothing to do with what I "thinck", it's just
common sense, which you seem to be in desperate need of. If you need
further assistance, feel free to read my Newbie Guide to the Newsgroups.
After all, it was written for people like you. :)

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Goober King
Typing slowly for the thinking impaired...
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Jan 10, 2001, 9:01pm

Heh, there's that censorship thing again! *grins at nova*

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Goober King
Can't stand to see a good rant die...
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Jan 8, 2001, 8:21pm

Translation: They're desperate for events because they don't know how to
advertise. ;)

Seriously tho, it could be that the community is actually starting to
lose it's luster. People don't seem to be as active in Active Worlds as
they once were. Then again, I could be totally wrong and have to get out
from under my rock10.rwx. :)

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Goober King
Big things are coming... oh yes....
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Jan 9, 2001, 3:27pm

Heh Bits... you know I love you and everything, but that was just too
much sugar to swallow. :) I must say, tho, t'was a valiant effort at
avoiding the issue. ;)

Yes, people interact in AW, that's a given and I wasn't stating anything
to the contrary. But usually, when most people want to hold a little
gathering with their friends, they just gram-spam each other and that's
it. Most people don't think to advertise with AWEC (or any other sort of
events/advertising organization, for that matter) because 1) they don't
know it's there, or 2) they think it's too much of a hassle to advertise
that much. Perhaps what AWEC needs to do is take some initiative and
help wake the community up, so to speak. :) Spread the word about AWEC,
maybe even actually go out and meet the community you're so interested
in serving, instead of staying cooped up in AWCC. :) Or better yet,
organize some more big-time events of your own. You already have the Cy
Awards and the AW Festival, but maybe a couple more would do what it
takes to shake things up a bit and get the community *really* moving
again.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to ruffle any feathers here, (well,
not *this* time, anyway ;)) just trying to help out where I can. :)

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Goober King
Brings out the Grrrrrr in everyone! :)
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Jan 9, 2001, 6:21pm

Since we're doing the number thing, I'll answer each one in kind. :)

1) The peacekeepers *do* serve a purpose, I'll agree with you there.
However that purpose has become questionable in recent weeks/months and
I'm starting to think Razzle's little dream has gone awry, as is the
case with most powers of censorship. (As Ron put it, "Once you start
controlling things, where do you stop?") I think the Peacekeepers can
still function as a moderator of disputes and the like, but the idea of
thought/talk police needs to be dropped.

2) Gatekeepers also perform a valuable service for the AW visitor. And I
can see why they wouldn't want to have unruly people hanging around
disturbing the newbie's first visit. However, their actions have also
been called into question on several occasions, and you wind up with a
PK situation again. Since part of the GK's job is to inform newbies on
how to use AW, perhaps they should point out that handy-dandy MUTE
feature to people who feel they are being bothered. That, in my opinion,
is the only censorship tool you need. That, and the ability to block
tgrams from unwanted people. *hint Roland!*

3) Let's take a trip back to AW, circa 1996. Back then, Worlds owned AW,
and their policy was "Chat/Explore at your own risk." They didn't do
anything to monitor content or clean up other people's messes. Now, back
then, I was prone to wander aimlessly and see all I could see in AW.
(still am in some instances :)) In all of my travels, I can maybe think
of all of three or four places I saw which featured porn. Hardly what I
would call "taking over AW". AW is, and should remain, the penultimate
melting pot... the "misc" world, if you will. No specific theme, no
specific objective, just the purest form of diversity. That means in AW
you can find everything from harmless cartoons to hardcore porn. But
because AW is so huge, the only way you'd find anything in AW was if you
were actually *looking* for it in the first place. But trying to keep
the entire AW world "clean" is equivalent to someone trying to get rid
of all the strip joints along the US East Coast: not plausible.

4) Again, I point to that oh-so-convenient MUTE feature that just
happens to be installed in your AW browser. If you don't hear something
you like, mute and ignore it. (And if newbies are instructed properly by
the GKs before they enter the AW mainstream, they'll know how to use it)
Most people who swear a blue streak are just doing it for the attention
anyway. And those who aren't merely use it for effect. Should they be
penalized for using one or two "nasty" words properly, as opposed to
someone who uses them merely for shock value? I think not.

As an aside, I've always wondered why it is people think so-called
"swear words" are so evil. Why is saying "fuck" so much worse than
saying "have sex"? Or "shit" so much worse than "feces"? They both mean
the same thing, yet one is labeled "improper". It never made sense to
me. Perhaps someone could enlighten me?

5) Gee, and here I thought AW was supposed to be about *not* having
limits, about having only your imagination (and AW development :P) to
limit you. As for alienation, what about alienating all the people who
abhor limitations on their creativity/expression? AW was practically
tailor-made for these kinds of people. I think you'll find that they
vastly outnumber any group of "parentally-controlled kids". (Exactly how
many kids in here do you think have their parents watching what they do
in AW, anyway?)

It has always been my belief that there is only one person who knows
what's good and bad for you, and that's yourself. If you don't like what
your reading, stop reading it. If you don't like what you're seeing,
stop looking at it. The idea of forcing your ideas and beliefs on
someone else just because you feel you are just and right is ludicrous.
Censorship, after all, is the root of all ignorance. Keep that in mind.

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Goober King
Hasn't felt this good since his last rant! :)
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Jan 9, 2001, 8:17pm

I wasn't trying to suggest that there should be no rules at all. As you
said, rules are there to protect people, and I whole-heartedly support
that idea. The point I was trying to make was it's one thing to limit a
person's actions, (i.e. doing something that clearly endangers self or
others) but it's something else entirely to limit what a person is
allowed to think/say/act. If someone feels the need to "curse" in order
to articulate themselves, I'm not going to yell at them. If someone
feels they want to curse just to piss people off, I mute them; they
aren't worth wasting my time worrying about. If people decide to cyber
in my presence, I mute them as well. Notice a pattern?

As for my quote, I guess I should have been more clear. I meant once
you're old enough to know the difference between right and wrong. I
vehemently agree that it's up to the parents to decide for their child
what is right and wrong, and to show them the difference so that, in
time, they'll be able to make their own decisions. But once you're out
on your own, only you should decide what is good or bad for you, and no
one can tell you otherwise.

And as for your last point, are you suggesting that we should decide for
the "stupid people" what's right or wrong? How would we know? Who's to
say we're not the "stupid" ones? This is why censorship is so wrong,
(not to be confused with "following the rules") because there is no
(mortal) all-knowing authority on what's right or wrong, so who are we
to decide either way?

As for nova's points, as I said, I'm all for following the rules. It's
just that some of these so-called rules that COF has laid out are so
grey and subjective that they become almost ineffective. Either they
need to get *really* specific (which is nigh on impossible; How does one
define a "swear word"? Where's the line between "art" (or "beauty") and
"porn"?) or abolish those rules altogether. I'm am in favor of the
latter.

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Goober King
Revels in the all-mighty rant!
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Jan 10, 2001, 11:23am

Restricted commands are commands that can only be used if the world
owner sets it as available in the world features. The only restricted
command right now is "create url", as this would cause your web browser
to pop up to a web page as soon as the object comes into view. (not
always a good thing) But adding that integer restriction would
definitely be a good thing, in my view.

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Goober King
Restricted Goober as decreed by COF
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Jan 11, 2001, 1:26am

Well, considering the recent influx of newbies, there could very well be
people in here who don't know that much about AW organizations. This NG
is just another outlet for advertising, so you might as well use it,
whether people know about you already or not. And there could always be
that contingent of people who read the NGs but don't actually post
anything...

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Goober King
Just as long as it doesn't become a spam NG...
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Jan 12, 2001, 11:08am

hehehe... Guess now we know why Eep didn't get on the closed beta list
*smirk*

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Goober King
Eep has a point, but his delivery could use some work...
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Jan 13, 2001, 7:35pm

For those of you who were actually paying attention, you might have
noticed that not a lot has come out of UTN lately. Well, you can rest
assured that we weren't completely dead, just doing a lot of things
behind the scenes. But now we're ready to step back into the thick of
things with the grand opening of UTN's Martian Headquarters! Now all of
you Martian colonies and communities out there have a place to call your
own! :) Check it out at Mars 73.5s 108.4w 45

But that's not all! Here's just a few of the things we have planned over
the coarse of this coming year:

• Reviving the Metatropolis Transit system, linking all communities and
towns in Metatropolis!
• Releasing the UTN TownBrowser, a program that will allow you to
explore UTN even easier, courtesy of JTSoft.net!
• Revamping the UTN Website, including the ability to search the UTN
database and submit events and news from your town with the help of
AWNews.com!
• Opening UTN HQs in WildAW, Atlantis, AWTeen, and Yellowstone!

So stay tuned, folks! With already over 60 different towns and
communities in our ranks and 5 different subnetworks, plus services like
UTN Utilities and the Town Consultants, this year's shaping up to be the
best ever! It's why we say UTN is Connecting Your Reality! :)

--
Goober King
Back in the saddle again!
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Jan 14, 2001, 11:39pm

Hrm... that's a tough one *smirk* (j/k)

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Goober King
Getting harder to tell the good idiots from the bad...
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

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