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Feb 3, 2001, 8:34pm

Would that I could, but alas, I'm not in the beta :-/

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Goober King
Unlike some people around here, *he* can wait...
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Feb 7, 2001, 2:24am

Ok, Eep. I think you've had enough. I'm going to type this nice and
slowly so you can grasp it: "Shut... the... hell... up..."

The man is making an EFFORT, here. He doesn't HAVE to post in these
newsgroups. Hell, he doesn't even have to READ these newsgroups. Yet he
does, and he responds to post that are actually constructive and/or
informative. Yours, on the other hand, are nothing more than pissing and
moaning about how you perceive that AWCI has "fucked up". Blaming Facter
for the acts of Rick and JP are absolutely unfounded. Facter does not
own AWCI. Facter does not control AWCI. He is not responsible for the
acts of his superiors, so lay off!

As for the whole newsgroup issue, if the only way to fix the newsgroup
problems was to take them offline temporarily, then Facter did
everything he could to explain the situation. Does it really make sense
to post a message on a newsgroup if he's just going to be taking down
that same newsgroup? Besides, if *you* couldn't post anything, what
makes you think Facter would have had any better luck? If the problem's
with posting, then *no one* can post, not even Facter. Whatever happened
to that whole "thinking" thing you're so fond of, anyway? :P

I understand COF has left a bad taste in your mouth. Quite frankly, if
Rick or JP ever had the cohones to post in here, I'd probably have a few
choice words for them as well. However, that shouldn't prevent you from
at least acting respectful towards those who aren't even involved in the
process. Would you start bitching at Young Shamus if he suddenly found
the urge to post in here? If so, I find that sad.

I used to think you amusing. Sometimes you simply irritated me. But now
I just pity you. Please, for the sake of everyone here, and for your own
integrity, (if you even have any left) grow up. But, if you feel the
need to continue acting like a buffoon, then you can have the distinct
pleasure of sucking MY filter... *flick*

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Goober King
He's never had to use his filter before... a red-letter day, indeed...
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Feb 7, 2001, 2:47pm

[View Quote] The difference between Facter and Rick & JP is that it truly *isn't* his
fault. His only responsibilities are AW tech support and web
development. He cannot control what happens at other companies, (i.e.
MPL.net) but he *can* work with those companies to help resolve the
problem as quickly as possible, and that's what he's doing.

>
>
> Dunno, are YOU thinking, Goober? Doesn't look like it considering the newsgroups never went DOWN to the point of not being able to READ them; just POSTING to them (and perhaps just "Community" since that's the only one I tried at the time) was down. Since Facter seemingly disabled the ability to POST to the newsgroups, he could have simply posted he was going to do this instead of simply disabling posting and putting up a VERY vague system status message on AW's website. The POINT I'm trying to make is communication. Facter, like AWCI, fails to communicate things to its users. Yes, it's gotten MARGINALLY better in recent months, but only through CONTINUED persistance by disgruntled users/customers. What does this say about AWCI? To me it shows they STILL don't know how to communicate with its users/customers and are STILL incompetent in MANY areas (AW development/direction, marketing, PR, etc, etc).
>

Well, I must have missed this "incident", because I don't recall the
community NG ever being in such a state where you could read posts, but
not post in them. (As Facter said, it was only for a couple hours)
Usually, when someone tells me that the newsgroups "went down", that
means "went offline completely". Perhaps a little more clarity next
time?

As for communication issues, I'd like to think it's gotten SIGNIFICANTLY
better. And I don't think it's solely because of "disgruntled users",
(of which, I think, there are but a few truly "disgruntled" users) it's
because of the "fresh blood" that COF has acquired in the likes of
Facter and others. New employees bring new ideas, which help to make the
company better as a whole.

>
> Um, but Facter IS involved in the process--ALL AWCI employees are and I WILL spout off to them WHENEVER I god damn feel like it. Respect is earned, and so far I don't feel AWCI has earned MY respect enough for me to give THEM respect.

Tell me, when you were doing QA, did you ever come up to your boss and
say "I don't think our company should be using the services of this
company." or "Don't invest in this company because they're idiots."? I
doubt it. Your job was simply to make sure that your company's products
were of the highest quality they could be. You were in no position to
question the actions of your superiors. Such as it is with Facter.

And there's a difference between "acting respectful towards" and
"respecting" the company. You can act respectful and still disagree with
someone else, even if you hate their guts. (Such as I am now doing here
*grin*) It's called "common courtesy" or "politeness". Try it sometime;
you might be surprised how much more receptive AWCI (especially the new
people) would be towards your ideas and arguments.

>
>
> Only if he played the same game Rick, JP, and now Facter do...but Shamus doesn't seem like that...Roland doesn't either...to an extent, but their INACTION makes them just as guilty as Rick and JP's actions. Shamus, Roland, HamFon, Flagg, etc, etc, HAVE the power to speak up against Rick and JP, but they don't seem to.

How do you know they aren't taking action? Perhaps every time there's a
meeting, the employees bring up all sorts of ideas, but Rick and/or JP
shoot them down. It could be all Rick & JP's doing that AW's going
nowhere and the rest of AWCI just gives up and follows along because
they need the paycheck. And again, most aren't in a position to be able
to "stand up" to what Rick & JP tell them. What does a tech support
person know about marketing? What does a marketing person know about
accounting? etc, etc.

>
>
> <shrug> I won't give up what I believe in...and I believe Rick and JP do NOT deserve to be in charge of AW. They have CONTINUALLY proven over and over and, yes, over again that they do NOT know how to deal with their customers and the public/media relations, etc. They have played sneaky corporate games that have been outlined on my AW history page (http://tnlc.com/eep/aw/history.html) ever since they went public. They will NEVER live this down while I am still around until the admit their mistakes and change their ways--PERIOD. This is my mission in AW, as it stands currently, and until things change I will NEVER let up. Think of me what you will but if you do the research I believe you will understand and perhaps even agree with me. The thing is most people don't really even CARE enough about AW to see things from my perspective or even understand them if they do. But that's fine...different people have different passions. Mine just happens to be AW and a few other select
> things--they keep me distracted; distractions are key to a healthy life, you know.

Trust me, I know exactly where you're coming from. I wasn't suggesting
you give up your cause. Hell, I support it 100%. It's the delivery that
needs work. I have yet to see a single post from you that involves both
politeness and AWCI. You've thrown around this bitter attitude for
years, and where has it gotten you? Hardly anywhere, as far as AW
development goes. Perhaps if you tried forming constructive ideas and
cohesive arguments in a respectful way, (not to be confused with
respectING) then you might actually get somewhere.

--
Goober King
It certainly worked for Just In...
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Feb 8, 2001, 7:16pm

My turn to add my two cents.rwx in here:

Sorry, Moria, Facter, et al, but there is no way I can agree with
anything you've said. There is a SIGNIFICANT difference between personal
censorship (i.e. filtering, ignoring posts, etc) and full-blown
censorship. (banning from NGs, etc) What you are proposing is the
latter: Complete censorship of Eep simply because his statements
offended you.

Why do you think Eep does this sort of thing in the newsgroups? Why do
you think he prefers to make personal attacks in the newsgroups as
opposed to one-on-one in email or tgrams? Attention, plain and simple.
He wants to make himself appear bigger and badder than the "incompetent
twits" around him. If you filter him, effectively ignoring him, he will
stop his pointless banter because it won't have any effect. (I've seen
it happen many times) Personal censorship, individual censorship, is the
answer, not outright banning. If you are to ban Eep for insulting you,
what's next? Banning people who speak ill of Rick & JP? Banning people
for disliking an AWCI policy? Where do you draw the line?

Were Eep's attacks unwarranted? Yes, indeed they were. But it was
because you chose to respond to his taunts that caused him to continue.
If you hadn't replied to him directly and simply brushed him off (or
filtered him outright) he would've stopped and this thread (among
others) wouldn't be nearly as long as it is now. Therefore, you are also
partly to blame for all this by unconsciously egging him on. (It takes
two to tango, after all) If you had filtered him in the first place,
none of this would've happened.

And this is why the newsgroup format is *not* like real life. In real
life, you can't click a button and make the person who attacked you
disappear from your life. Here, you can, and that's the beauty of the
whole system. Saying that these newsgroups are censored by Eep is
preposterous... He can only affect you if you *let* him affect you.

So Facter, I implore you to reconsider this proposal and let Eep stay.
Those of us who've been here for quite sometime (myself included) have
learned how to deal with him, and so can you. However, if you choose to
ban Eep from these newsgroups simply because you are unwilling to take
any *personal* action, then I'm afraid I have no recourse but to leave
the newsgroups as well. For though I may dislike Eep, I dislike
censorship even more, and I won't be party to a so-called "community"
that shuts out certain people simply because they rub you the wrong way.

--
Robert "Goober King" Rodehorst
Censorship is the root of all ignorance
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Feb 8, 2001, 10:18pm

censorship - n. The act, process, or practice of censoring.
censor - v. To examine and expurgate.
expurgate - v. To remove material that is perceived as erroneous,
vulgar, obscene, or otherwise objectionable. (from a book, for example)

Now explain to me how this does NOT apply to Eep's situation. (The
"material" here being Eep and his opinions)

[View Quote] Last I checked, insulting someone is NOT a criminal offense. And Eep
DOES have repercussions for his actions: being ignored. If someone
doesn't agree with his opinions or attitudes, they have the option of
filtering him and never having to hear from him again. And since Eep
thrives on attention, I would think ignoring him would be a far worse
punishment than banning him. :)

>
> In actual fact, censorship would be moderating the newsgroup and then
> forwarding the post with any objectionable words taken out, or not
> forwarding the post at all.. banning is not censorship, it is withdrawal of
> privalege.
>

The act of banning may not be censorship, but the actions behind it is
what makes it censorship. If someone came in here and started spamming
the NGs with all sorts of ads, then I would say banning is in order
because 1) the person is not posting about things pertaining to AW, and
2) the person obviously has no interest in contributing to the
community. But if a person can be banned simply for stating their
opinions, whether they happen to offend someone or not, then this is a
truly sad situation indeed.

>
> as I said, a version of terrorism. Your deffinition is quite accurate.
>
>
> Actually what I read here is that under your defenitions (which I contest
> earlier in my post) its okay for an individual to censor anyone, but not a
> group to group censor? But as I have said, banning is not censorship..
> moderation may be classed as such by my reading of the meaning of the word.

You seem to be confused about the difference between "personal"
censorship and "communal" censorship. Personal censorship means deciding
for yourself what you (and ONLY you) should see/read/hear. Communal
censorship is when a person/persons who are in charge of the community
decide for everyone in the community what should be seen/read/heard.
Personal censorship affects no one else other than yourself and the
thing being censored. Communal censorship means that whoever is in
charge of the community forces everyone to believe what he/she/they
believe by removing anything that doesn't agree with them. And this is
what Facter is trying to do. He is removing Eep simply because he
disagreed and insulted him. Did he insult the entire community? No. Then
why should he be removed from the entire community? Facter needs to take
responsibility for himself and take Eep out of his own personal
equation, instead of forcing his feelings upon the rest of us.

>
> If you are to ban Eep for insulting you,
>
> I would personally remove the privelage (not censor) anyone who acted in the
> same way, ie who came into the newsgroup as blatantly violent, racist or
> biggoted, whether they were AWCI staff or a user.. makes no difference to
> me who it is or what the subject under discussion is.
>

Then you would be just as guilty as Facter. In fact, you would be
instituting the very "terrorism" you claim that Eep is causing. In that
situation, people would be afraid to disagree with AWCI or it's actions
because they might be banned from the NGs if they ever said a
discouraging word about AWCI. Frankly, I'd rather "fear" Eep.

>
> Good we agree here:)
>
> But it was
>
> He would only have stopped the thread when he had passed his insults and
> people had given up so he could say I have won. Standard terrorist
> tactics.. doesnt matter whether right or wrong as long as the last say goes
> his way.

How can Eep say he's won the fight if no one fights him? If no one
replies to his posts and simply ignores him, how can Eep claim victory?
Do you really think Eep would continue to post if he knew no one was
listening to him? I would think not... In fact, banning him would
probably be Eep's greatest victory ever, because it would prove all of
his ranting about AWCI and their tactics RIGHT! Now, do you really want
to prove Eep right? ;)

>
> Therefore, you are also
>
> Actually here I agree, it should have been dealt with 4 or more years ago
> when this started by banning him permanently, but that seemed harsh and
> still does. I personally wont censor anyone, I have no right to so I wont
> add him to a filter, but I have no problem in seeing his privaleges removed,
> as I have no problem in seeing someone who commits a crime or similar in
> real life serving time for it.
>

Again, posting your opinions on a subject is not a crime; if so, then I
should be banned from these newsgroups as well. And, no offense, but if
you don't think you have the right to decide for yourself what to
see/read/hear, (through personal censorship; i.e. filtering) then I must
wonder if you have any convictions at all...

>
> Why should he be allowed to? you have already said the only way to stop him
> is to back off, whether we are right or wrong.. thats not democracy, or
> needed, thats bowing to usurped power and means he holds the power to
> prevent discussion which is censorship by abstination.
>

Again, how can we "back off" if we never engage him in the first place?
"Discussion" implies that more than one person is involved. If you don't
want to hear what he has to say, then continue the discussion without
him and don't even acknowledge him. Is that really so hard?

>
> Yep, bow under to his pressure and personally censor.. why do you feel you
> have to do that?

Somehow, I sincerely doubt Eep acts the way he does just so he can get
filtered. If that was the case, then I would've filtered him as soon as
I got here all those years ago. I can honestly say that I've never had
to filter anyone in this newsgroup my entire time here. Why? Because I
feel that everyone has something to contribute to the community. (yes,
even Eep) Yes, the ways in which they present their contributions are
different, but they are contributions nonetheless. And to remove someone
from the community simply because someone else doesn't agree/like that
contribution may not be "censorship" according to whatever definition
you subscribe to, but it's still wrong.

>
> However, if you choose to
>
> Thats your choice, and I am sure we'll be sorry to see you go, but if you
> feel that you have to make a personal stand against this, then its still a
> free country for you to do so. Many of us took that decision years ago
> when all this started by leaving the newsgroup, which again was wrong, it
> was abstaining and turning the other way. In a way you could say guilty by
> complacency:)

I will agree that it's a shame if people leave the NGs because of Eep's
tirades. However, it wouldn't be a shame for the NGs, it would be a
shame for the person who left, because he/she couldn't stand up for what
they believed and had the strength to remove Eep from their personal
equation. These are the people that need to empower themselves, not run
from the first sign of conflict.

>
> For though I may dislike Eep, I dislike
>
> Finally its not censorship, its removal of privalege, and being part of a
> community means respecting the other community members and their views. You
> dont have to agree with them, but you also dont need to resort to bigoted,
> racist and violent behaviour if they disagree with you. Why should it
> always be everyone else that backs off? :)

Once again, if you don't engage him, you don't have to back off. Think
of Eep as the raving lunatic you might encounter on a street corner. Do
you stop and try to counter his nonsensical arguments, or do you simply
keep on walking. I would hope (for your sanity's sake) you would choose
the latter. The only way Eep can "win" an arguement is if someone
actually argues with him. It's the other person that makes a conscious
decision to "awaken the beast", if you will. If people would take it
upon themselves to decide for themselves what's best for them, perhaps
Eep would realize that his actions alienate everyone around him, and
change his attitude. But as long as people continue to respond to it,
then, to him, it's still an effective form of communication.

>
> If you want a community, it should be that all members can get a fair say,
> whether right or wrong, without being too scared to post because they think
> they will get verbally assaulted if they dont agree with one person. That
> is a community, not a group ruled in terror by the school playground
> bully:))
>

And here you contradict everything you have just stated previously. Are
you giving Eep his fair say by banning him? Certainly not. By banning a
person, you are giving that person NO say in anything, and that, by your
own (correct) definition of "community", is wrong. I know I will not
tolerate such actions in any community I participate in, and it's clear
that I am not the only one who thinks this way. If Facter goes through
with banning Eep (or even goes through with this voting process, thereby
making it a "him or me" scenario) then I will have no choice but to
submit to Facter's "terrorism" and leave these newsgroups. Because that
is exactly what this is: Terrorism. Intimidation. Control. By making the
community have to choose between one person or another, simply because
one of those people can't assume responsibility for his own beliefs,
then you have effectively divided the community that you are so
desperate to hold together in an attempt to make them believe what you
believe. (In this case, that Eep does not belong here)

The fate of the community rests in Facter's hands... not Eep's. I pray
that Facter will use that power wisely, or not at all...

--
Robert Rodehorst
Censorship is the root of all ignorance...
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Feb 9, 2001, 2:17am

Look around you, Facter. Do you like what you see? Are you proud of your
handiwork? Regardless of whether Eep stays or goes, you have succeeded
in doing the one thing you claim to be against. In a single post, you've
caused more damage to this AW Community than Eep could ever have hoped
to accomplish in his entire AW career. You have torn this community
asunder, to the point of being irreparable. Are you happy now? Did you
not see this coming? Did you honestly think this would somehow unite the
community to assist you in your personal grudge match?

Instead, the opposite is true. Hell, this thread alone has probably
caused more people to leave the newsgroups than any comments Eep has
made in the past. Your actions today certainly have succeeded in
lowering my personal opinion of you. When you first started posting, I
had hope. I thought "Hey, we might actually be able to get something
accomplished now! They're listening to us!" But instead, you have
demonstrated that you are just as petty, self-centered, and irrational
as your AWCI superiors. Instead of standing up for your personal beliefs
and dealing with Eep ON YOUR OWN, you decided to turn this into a
community issue, thereby creating a schism which will never heal.

If this is to be the state of the newsgroups from here on in, then I
will have no part in it. Oh, rest assured, I will still read along and
follow whatever shambles of the AW Community is left after this all
blows over. However, I refuse to participate in a community where you
can be prosecuted for stating your own opinions truthfully, and have to
live in fear of the almighty "ban".

Therefore, consider this post my formally dismissal from the AW
newsgroups. It's been fun, but now the fun is over.

P.S. Before I go, I would like to point out to anyone who plans to
remain here, for whatever reason, that there are other forms of
communication out there that WON'T intimidate you or pressure you into
following a certain mindset. These forums are completely unregulated and
you can have any say in them you wish. I suggest you relocate to these
forums and demonstrate to AWCI that you won't be pressured into
conforming to their ideals.

Andras's News - news://andras.net
City4All awcommunity -
news://news.city4all.com/is4all.public.awcommunity
AWNews.com Forum - http://www.awnews.com/forums/list.php?num=1
Ima Genius's Forum - http://polygon.imatowns.com
Xavarella's Forum - http://members.boardhost.com/Xavarella

--
Goober King has left the building...

May 13, 2001, 3:48am

*applauds*

Chuck, Chuck, Chuck... Thank you for giving me a reason to return to
this newsgroup. You've made me an offer I can't refuse, and I accept
your challenge.

I've been watching you ever since you first appeared in this newsgroup,
and I must say, you certainly know how to make an entrance. You
immediately go for the jugular and hit one of the biggest hot-button
issues in this NG: NewYrok/Broadway.
You attempted to lodge a formal complaint to Facter concerning the
treatment you received in Broadway world, and essentially got your ass
handed to you by the majority of the community. Why? It wasn't because
they hated you, and it wasn't because they thought you were wrong. It's
because they simply didn't care.

You continued to bring up this issue on numerous occasions over the
course of several months. You seem intent on making this a community
issue. Well, in case you've missed the hint this past week or so, this
*isn't* a community issue, whether *you* like it or not, no matter how
much you try to make it one. The only people this entire issue concerns
is Just In, OneSummer, FriendPA, JFK2, and yourself. This is the sole
reason you are being attacked at all, is because it doesn't concern us
at all. This whole mess should be worked out between the 5 of you, while
the rest of us just stay out.

But ok, you probably won't believe me; that's perfectly fine. You insist
that this is a community issue, (though I've just shown it isn't) and
that you're all about facts. You say that you're doing this for the
benefit of the community, so that they can protect themselves from
"people like this." Alrighty then, let's take a look at some "facts",
shall we?

1/30/01 - In reply to Just In's response to your formal complaint:

"Permission to build anywhere Justin, the only sick puppy here is you,
oh correction, you and anyone that agrees with you. LOL"

2/2/01 - In response to JBELL's request to "move on" concerning
NewYork/Broadway:

"Already have, To New York World! LOLOLOL Which by the way is going thru
a wonderful revival with my help and FriendPA and a few other close
friends. So, on to bigger and better things and those against us, can go
to hades for all I care, LOLOLOL"

2/2/01 - In response to Myrth and Wing belittling your use of
"LOLOLOLOL":

"LOLOLOLOL You know what I find even more stupid about myrth and wing is
they actually took the time to respond to something that has nothing to
do with this complaint. LOLOLOLOL I dislike that about some people. GET
IT!!! LOLOLOLOLOLOL and hate is such a strong word coming from someone
who says they actually have true feelings obviously you did not consider
mine when you posted your nasty post, gee wonder if you are actually
friends with the BW scum buckets, sounds that way. LOLOLOLOL and I have
been on the net for 4 years now so I am no newbie I have seen you kind
if people before, we call them SNERTS LOLOLOLOL"

2/2/01 - In response to Image's request to stop posting on the
NewYork/Broadway subject because you were "waisting HD space":

"ooops wasted some more LOL"

3/9/01 - In response to the Community Show Off's announced line-up,
which included Broadway and Therapy world:

"Anything that has to do with Broadway World I certainly will have
nothing to do with. Therapy World should find another month to hold
their event. I hope this does not encourage people to support BW in any
way. The 2 owners there have caused this community enough grief. I
always have nothing nice to say about a world that is an exact copy of
New York World that will be having their 2nd Anniversary on Saturday
March 10th at 6pm vrt. Hope to see you on the original Broadway, New York
World :)"

3/10/01 - In reply to Myrth's comment about the previous post being "a
terrible thing to say":

"Isn't it, but soooo true :)"

3/11/01 - In response to Imagine's post about all the complaining in the
NGs:

"I stopped reading after the first paragraph, maybe you should read your
posts before you post something that has so many typos in it and leave
people alone. That's my complaint is that you have no room to complain,
LOL"

5/5/01 - In response to Agent's comments concerning your "vandalism" in
Broadway world:

"8-P I hope to God none of your children are ever molested by anyone
agent1, but if they ever were you might then have a clue as to how angry
it makes people that someone could hurt an innocent child. Who knows
maybe you are one too with the way you enjoy defending him, sure makes
me wonder what your problem is."

5/6/01 - In response to SW Chris's comments concerning your "vandalism":

"Yeah so I put a few advertisements for the website on her world, she
wants to call it vandelism, that's fine, lol It said it was a public
build world, lol"

5/10/01 - Your post entitled "Here's a littler story from my past for
ya":
<I won't post it all, as it basically speaks for itself, but here's the
last line>

"Isn't that amazing, LOL Have fun out there everyone but be kind to
everyone cause you never know when you might get your butt kicked by
someone you thought wasn't capable of it. :)"

5/10/01 - In response to Myrth's request to "just shut up":

No Myrth, I won't just shut up. I'm sick of being told to shut up. You
shut up and see how you like it. I'm not taking anymore crap from you or
anyone else in this NG. You all shut the hell up. You all are nothing
more than a bunch of SNERTS with nothing better to do than try to tell
me how wrong I am or to shut up. You didn't get harassed for months on
end by this pathetic creep, you didn't have your world bot copied and
then told by the guy who made the objects not to use them. You didn't
have that same jerk come into your world and threaten people to not use
the objects he made for your world. You did not expierience any of that.
So you shut the hell up and stop telling me what I can or cannot say in
this NG. I pay my dues in this community just like everyone else here.
So don't tell me to shut up, I will post what I want when I want and as
often as I want."

Hey, Chuck, you're right! When you put them all together like that, it
*does* look pretty bad. :)

Now, does this sound like someone who is looking out for the community?
Is this the person who created a group in order to make a safe haven for
AW citizens from supposed "criminals"? I think not. This is a person
with a vendetta, plain and simple. You do not care about "the children",
you do not care about the community, and so, in return, the community
doesn't care about you. You are simply trying to take Just In and
OneSummer as far down as you can take them, in the hopes that somehow
you will gain vindication, and to hell with whatever anyone else thinks.
You have not once taken the time to truly consider what it is the
community you are oh-so-fervent about defending is trying to tell you.

Bottom Line: To the community, what Just In did to FriendPA is in the
past and irrelevant. To the community, whether Just In is a pedophile or
not is irrelevant. Whether OneSummer is harassing you or not is
irrelevant. Therefore, to the community, *you* are irrelevant. So let me
type this *really* slowly so you can understand what they've been trying
to get across to you: KEEP.... IT.... TO... YOURSELF!

I await your response. :)

[View Quote] --
Goober King
Feels good to be back in the saddle again!
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

May 13, 2001, 11:01pm

Ahh, optimism... I must say, it's heartening to see it flourishing in an
environment such as this. Unfortunately, I'm afraid it's a tad
misplaced. As AWCom has demonstrated on numerous occasions, it doesn't
care one lick about the customers. And why should they? As soon as they
get that $20 from you, you could fall off the face of the earth and, to
them, you could still be wandering around in AW all year.

Nowhere has this lack of concern for customer appreciation been more
blatantly obvious than right here in these newsgroups. Ever since AWCom
laid out the Community Newsgroup Charter it has *never* been enforced.
Any attempts at moderating this NG and making sure all posts conformed
to the charter failed miserably. Their latest attempt is Facter himself
claiming to bring order to the NG and enforce the community charter.
This was back in February. Since then, hundreds of posts of all manner,
description, and topic have slipped past his "watchful" eye, until
recently when he deleted Chucks Party's post about SAW and Eep's post
complaining about the NewYork/Broadway conflict. Does this mean that
Facter's actually doing his job now?! Only time will tell...

But the main problem isn't with AWCom as a whole, per se. There are
actually a few good people within AWCom who *do* want to see it grow and
prosper. Unfortunately, those people's voices get drowned out by Rick
and JP, who have a strangle-hold on the company itself, but no clear
idea of where to go with it. In fact, the best I can tell, Rick and JP
simply see this as a hobby, a pet project, only taking it on because
they thought it "might be fun". They have no interest in creating a
better user experience, nor increasing development. They just want
money; as much as they can as soon as they can, and as you can see on
their price tables, us citizens aren't exactly the biggest money-makers.
(even though we *do* make up a good majority of their income) So,
instead, they go after corporate sponsorships and advertising deals,
meanwhile completely ignoring those that helped get them this far in the
first place.

When will it end? Who knows? All I can say is, don't expect much of a
reply, since no one else has ever gotten one in here either. I will say
this, tho. If even Facter replies to this with a good response, I'll be
impressed...

[View Quote] --
Goober King
Has been waiting 5 long years for AWCom to start caring...
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

May 17, 2001, 12:46am

Gah! Me, moderate the newsgroups?! Are you kidding? If I was to moderate
the NGs, I'd rip the Charter to shreds and start from scratch! There may
be idiots among us, but I feel that community pressure is better than
any charter at stifling their lunacy. (Even Chuck got the hint after a
while...)

But since no one is moderating the forum, then perhaps we need to write
up our own charter? One that we will all agree to follow, and then
repost every month for all the newcomers to read. Sort of like a
newsgroup Social Contract/Constitution thing going on. Thoughts? :)

[View Quote] --
Goober King
Guess who just got done taking an Philosophy course? :P
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

May 17, 2001, 6:40pm

Hehe, sounds like an idea... *drafts Newbie Guide to the NewsGroups
v2.0*

[View Quote] --
Goober King
Watch this be an annual thing now. :P
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

May 18, 2001, 3:54am

Because *you* demanded it! (Ok, so only *one* person demanded it... :P)
Here it is, the second installment of the Newbie Guide! Remember, this
is all educational, so read and learn about your fellow posters! ;)


Newbie Guide to the Newsgroups
------------------------------

Hello, and welcome to the AW Community NewsGroup! You are about to
embark on a journey of information, communication, and learning! Before
you can become a full-fledged "member" of this bustling and busy
community, you must first learn how it works! This guide is here to help
you get a feel for the NGs and make sure you won't run into any...
trouble.

But before we begin, let us introduce you to just some of the people
you'll encounter here in the Newsgroups!

agent fox mulder/col klink - A real mental case, this one. Changing
names and personalities faster than you can say "twit", this "Jeckyl &
Hyde" is hard to peg and will often come out of nowhere. Though he seems
to have gone into remission as of late, there's no telling when "Hyde"
will strike again...

agent1 - This veteran of the NGs is still alive and kicking, and always
ready and willing to annoy anyone he sees fit. Lately, however, he seems
to have taken it upon himself to directing his annoying "talents" at the
uneducated that stumble into his realm. Sadly, it falls on deaf ears
sometimes...

alphabit phalpha - Still posting, and still smiling! When reading this
one's posts, you're guaranteed to either get a smiley or a CY reminder!
Just try not to mention clothing or shopping, or she'll never stop
posting!

ananas - One of the resident techies here in the NGs, ananas is always
willing and able to dish out technical advice. He's also willing and
able to dish out abuse reports, so try not to piss him off too much...

andras - Another NG techie, this one took it upon himself to create his
own newsgroups, free from the screw-ups and harranguings of AWCom's NGs.
The better to control the idiots with, my dear!

anduin lothario - Former USWF head turned Gorean, he's the NGs resident
expert on all things Gorean. But since no one else wants to touch the
subject with a 50 ft. pole, he rarely gets to say anything...

builderz - Very professional and always ready with a plug, he is the
owner of Stuff-X, a hosting company. Just don't try to copy anything he
does, as he's trying to maintain an image here! Watch out for falling
lawsuits...

captain mad mike - One of the SW "followers", this one tends to err on
the side of goofiness more often than not. Maybe it's something in the
SW City water?

casay - Champion of Accutrans! She'll make sure you buy a copy, or die
trying! For anything dealing with Accutrans, Wayne, COBs, Eep, etc, this
is the chick to see!

chucks party - This man has just one thing on his mind... Just In: 24
hours a day, 7 days a week. Since he seems to have calmed down a tad
from his most recent tirade, it might be a good idea to not mention
you-know-who for a while...

crazy glue il/s p a r k - Another of the "kiddies" running loose in the
NGs, this one seems to have gone into hiding as of late. When he first
arrived here, he was as green as newbies get. But, thanks to extensive
and brutal NG training, there's hope for him yet!

datedman - The "old fogie" of the NGs, datedman is actually the original
creator of the AW NGs. Now, however, he's content to sit in his rocking
chair and fling zingers at passing newbies, as well as toss in a few
barbs at his former Worlds, Inc cohorts for good measure...

eep - It wouldn't be the NGs without Eep. Surviving everything from
"twits" to near-bannishment, Eep is like the lingering smell in the
fridge that just doesn't go away. In fact, the question is no longer
"What would the NGs be like without Eep?". Now, it's "What would Eep be
like without the NGs?" Like the IRS, Eep once tried to go the "kinder,
gentler" route, but it didn't last. At least know he knows to take a
deep breath before ripping his victims to shreds...

facter - Facter is the Tech Support man for AWCom who took it upon
himself to actually pay attention to these NGs on behalf of the company.
(We all think he just drew the short straw!) Now, whether he actually
listens to what's being said is another matter entirely...

gamer - Another "plugger", this one's the owner and operator of
active-worlds.co.uk. He's also a rare voice of reason here in these NGs,
so pay attention to him. Just don't get him started on tourists...

goober king - After leaving the NGs several months back in a huge
hissy-fit, the Goobster's back in the saddle again, looking to wreak
havoc and chaos once more.... (Oh, wait... the NG already *has* that...
damn!)

j b e l l - Yet another "plugger", this guy not only operates his own
NGs, but also a hosting service and a "pay-to-surf" program. But,
whereas Andras's NGs seem to attract the more sensible users, JBell
always seems to get stuck with the 12 yr olds...

jfk2 - Chucks party's partner in crime, this one is beyond hope. Ellipse
abuse, sentence fragments, and random ALL CAPS words, he seems to have
taken a page or two from AFM's book. And if he can go a whole week with
out typing "Just In", "New York", "Broadway", "OneSummer", "FriendPA",
"Chucks Party", "GAY", or "Lit sideways", (whatever the hell THAT
means...) consider it a miracle!

kah - Watching this one grow in the NG environment is the perfect case
study for the effects of the NGs. Formerly posting USWF spam and random
tidbits, KAH has now "evolved" into a full-fledged NGer. Heck, he's
almost reached "Eep" level. Just has to get past Wing....

leaf - "It's all about the Commonwealth, baby!" Yet another "plugger"
here in the NGs that also runs a hosting service. Unfortunately for him,
plugging is what got him into trouble in the first place, forever
securing his place in NG lore. Has he learned his lesson? Only time will
tell...

moria - One of the "Ancients" of AW, this one is a rather on-again,
off-again poster, and seems content to focus on the stupidity that's
rampant in the NGs. And don't let the name fool you, it's a guy!

nornny - This is another who has since grown and developed here in the
NGs. Having had his optimism, objectivity, and sanity sufficiently
crushed by the harsh NG environment, Nornny is now a bonafied regular!
Congrats!

sw chris - Another SW shadow, this one still has some cheerfulness left
in him yet to be snuffed out. And so, he uses it to try and turn even
the most bitter subject into something goofy, with only marginal
success...

sw comit - The "original" SW, when he first appeared in the NGs, he
brought all his followers with him. (And they're still here!) Much like
the rest of his legion, he tends towards the goofy with all manner of
lingo and faces. Now if we could only get him to quote...

syntax - SW follower #3! This one actually seems to be SW Comit's
right-hand man, as he seems to emulate his leader the best. And whatever
you do, don't look into his eyes... O_O

tony m - Defender of the ASCII! If you dare post using HTML, tony will
be the first to pounce on you! And don't even think of trying to defend
yourself. Just get in line like the rest of us...

tyrell - Another "Ancient" in the NGs, he's also quick with a plug.
Unfortunately, he also seems to have a problem with the concept of
"user-friendliness", as those who can't figure out programs aren't worth
the attention. Tech Support, he is not...

wing - Yup, he's still here. If Eep ever *were* to leave the NGs, you
can be sure that Wing would be right there to take his place as Head
Dick. (redundant?) With a mouth and an ego to match, Wing is sure to
pick up the scraps that Eep left behind. And woe to the newbie who tries
to challenge Wing's technical "skillz". In fact, the only difference
between Eep and Wing is the fact that people actually listen to what Eep
has to say sometimes...


Whew! Now that you know some of the characters that frequent this place,
now it's time to get you settled with the basic rules of how this NG
operates:

#1: This community NG comes with a charter that outlines certain rules
one should follow when posting. Ignore it. Everyone else does, including
the people who wrote it.
#2: Never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever post in HTML! You will be
summarily drawn and quartered.
#3: This is an ActiveWorlds community NG. That means that only topics
that pertain to the general AW community should be discussed here. We
don't want to hear about your new world's problems or the fight you had
with another user the other day. And we *certainly* don't want to hear
about other universes or individual organizations within AW. We like our
scope nice and narrow, thank you.
#4: Never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever spam the NGs. You will be
burned at the stake.
#5: DON'T FEED THE TROLLS! (Translation: Don't encourage idiots. If you
leave them alone, they do eventually go away... well, MOST do...)
#6: If you do decide to get involved in a flame war, bring a flak
jacket. It gets hot in there.
#7: Never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever use improper English
spelling or grammar. You will be hanged.
#8: Don't bother introducing yourself. We don't care if you're new to
the NGs; we'll be able to determine that based on your first post. Trust
us.
#9: Never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever post attachments. You will
be tarred and feathered.
#10: If you have a fragile ego, you shouldn't be here. It will be
smashed into a bloody pulp within the week!


Tips on how to get the most popular posts:
------------------------------------------
1. Mention any of the following topics:
A. Comparison of NewYork/Broadway worlds and/or their owners
B. Goreans
C. USWF
D. AWCom's incompetence
E. Eep
2. Break any of the aforementioned rules
3. Do not speak coherently or with common sense. Those who do rarely
ever get replies.
4. Attempt to psychoanalyze someone
5. Preach
6. Flame

(No one said anything about *positive* popularity ;))

Now that you have a much better understanding of how the newsgroups
operates, you should have no trouble at all navigating this harsh
environment. Welcome to the newsgroups, and have a pleasant stay! :)

--
Goober King
Open the flamegates of Hell!
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

May 18, 2001, 10:40am

Kellee's certainly been around for a long time, but she's not really
that active a member in the NGs either. She's only started posting
recently. Perhaps if we give her some more time, I'll be able to put her
in version 3. :)

[View Quote] --
Goober King
She just needs to find some free time, first!
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

May 18, 2001, 10:42am

heh Good point. Still, I think that should read "a lame tourist to a
lame tourist with world domination on his mind". I know I certainly
didn't teach you how to be lame, you already knew that. ;)

[View Quote] --
Goober King
Still has the fort of yours in GooberTown...
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

May 18, 2001, 7:04pm

"Quoting" - The act of repeating the message you are replying to in your
post so that other may see what you're referring to without having to
climb up the thread tree. Like so:

[View Quote] See that? That's quoting. Most halfway decent news readers have the
ability to quote. (Mine has a nice big Quote button :)) And if your news
reader is in any way decent, it should easily be able to stick a quote
between what you post and your signature without "screwing it up".

--
Goober King
Notes to add a "How to Quote" section to the next guide...
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

May 19, 2001, 2:00am

heh no, I didn't forget him... I actually talked about him in the first
Guide, and since he hasn't really posted much in here since February, I
figured he'd gone to greener (pun intended) pastures. :)

[View Quote] --
Goober King
I don't think anyone could forget nova even if they *wanted* to! :P
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

May 19, 2001, 3:51pm

I found it back in Sept of 96 on a poster in WorldsChat. It looked
interesting so I clicked the link, downloaded it and walked in... I must
say I was a bit jolted when all I saw was a screen of blue and black
triangles all over the place (took a while to load on my old 14.4 :)) So
on my very first visit, I spent a lot of time talking to triangles. :)

As for how I found WorldsChat, I can't remember for the life of me. I
think it involved me just searching for chat progs and that was on the
list. But I had been there for about a year before I found AW.

Well, that's my story and I'm sticking to it ;)

[View Quote] --
Goober King
No one may ever know the truth... oops!
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

May 20, 2001, 11:54pm

I was skimming through the AW 3.2 page that's on the Help site,
(http://www.activeworlds.com/help/aw32) and noticed that, once again,
AWCom could give two shits about us, the customer. Just look at these
"nifty" features they plan to offer:

"Version 3.2 is going to be first and foremost about supporting NT 4.0.
The lack of support for NT 4.0 has been a big obstacle preventing wider
adoption of our 3.x platform, as NT 4.0 is still by far the dominant OS
in the corporate world."

"The 3.2 browser has greatly enhanced firewall support to enable use in
corporate environments. The 3.2 browser is able to make use of an
existing internet proxy server to "tunnel" through a firewall and
contact the AW servers."

"The 3.2 browser supports a new universe attribute, a universe-wide
welcome message. This is a text message similar to the world welcome
message, except that it is seen by all visitors to the universe no
matter where they start. Also, changes to this message are seen
immediately by all users, so it provides a useful mechanism for making
important universe-wide announcements."

Now, exactly how many people in here use AW in a "corporate
environment"? And how many of us own and operate Universes? I realize
there *are* people who use NT 4.0 in here, but they seem to be in the
minority. (At least among average customers...) "Corporate environment"
essentially translates to "people who can give us more money". Since we
only shill out $20 a year, we obviously aren't important enough, even
though citizenships are the bulk of AWCom's budget and, without us,
AWCom would cease to exist. Also blatantly absent from their list of
features are anything that's ever been suggested in the Wishlist
newsgroups. I don't recall anyone asking for Universe-wide messages or
skyboxes. Does anyone from AWCom even read the damn NG?

I've also noticed a rather disturbing trend as years and AW versions
have gone by. Instead of focusing on development of the browser itself,
AWCom has started focusing more and more on what I call "fluff". Sure,
skyboxes and rotate and move commands are all well and good, but the
actual AW browser itself hasn't significantly changed since v2.1! What
happened to being able to block telegrams? Or how about sorting
telegrams as well as the teleport list? Or any of the other millions of
ideas that have been posted in Wishlist for the past 4 *years*!? Once
again, AWCom has turned a blind eye to what us, their supposedly
"cherished" customers, want, and instead are trying to develop what they
think all the corporate hotshots will want.

Now, I *know* Facter and Lucrezia (and maybe even Flagg) will read this;
they read everything in this NG. So, boys and girls of AWCom, I'm
effectively "calling you out". You have a week to respond to this and
tell us why it is that our requests as customers are being constantly
ignored before I start spamming every email address on the AWCom roster.
And I won't stop until I get an answer from *someone*. And I don't want
the usual "Well, I'll mention it to the other guys and we'll see what we
can do" runaround. You've pulled that line *way* too many times and
nothing has been done about customer concerns.

So pony up, kiddies. What's the dilly=o?

--
Goober King
Hey Agent1, think I can borrow your "annoying" skillz? :)
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

May 21, 2001, 10:32am

I never said corporate money is a bad thing. I'm perfectly aware that
some big corporate sponsorships could easily keep AWCom afloat. The
problem I have is the fact that they've *consistently* ignored *current*
customer requests and concerns. It's as if they're saying "Ok, we've got
their $20. Who's next?" and you could fall off the face of the earth and
they wouldn't blink. It makes me wonder why they even bother to have a
Wishlist NG if they never plan on considering any of our ideas.

And when I say "customers" I don't just mean people in these newsgroups,
because I've seen AWCom's ignorance many times outside of these NGs as
well. Hell, look what we had to do just to get some objects added to the
AW Prime OP! We as customers shouldn't *have* to do that, that's AWCom's
job!

And just because a corporate sponsorship could easily replace a bunch of
$20 citizenships, the fact remains that citizenships make up a good
portion, if not the majority, of their income. Don't you think that
would mean that we would be rather high on their priority list?
Apparently not. When will they decide that they've finally have enough
corporate sponsors so they can concentrate on the citizens? From the
looks of things, never.

Tell ya what: Since it's obvious our piddly little $20 is nothing
compared to a corporate sponsorship, why not just get rid of the $20
fee? Citizenships have been free before, and they can be so again. It
certainly would solve a lot of problems. Besides completely erasing the
"tourist" concept and encouraging more folks to become citizens, it
would shut all us complainers up, because we would have no right to
complain. It's *because* I shell out $20 a year to fund this melting pot
that gives me the right to complain and, more importantly, the right to
be heard. If I'm not giving them any money, then I have no right to
complain, since money talks. No money, no talking.

[View Quote] --
Goober King
He's *always* in the minority: Citizens
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

May 21, 2001, 2:23pm

*holds up hand* Hey, that's all I was looking for: an answer. Since it
seems that "our side of the fence" rarely gets told what's going on up
there in Newburyport, it's rather hard for us to judge AWCom accurately,
so we're left to make half-assed assumptions...

Oh well, I guess I should be greatful I got any response at all. If I
had tried this stunt a year ago, it'd prolly get ignored entirely.
You've satisfied this goober... for now. ;)

[View Quote] --
Goober King
Can't say the same for some *other* people here...
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

May 23, 2001, 1:25am

Actually, Eep, as much as Facter has screwed up in the past, I'm
inclined to believe him on this one. True, COF has been royally messed
up in the past, (by "COF" I mean the original COF staff, namely Rick,
JP, and Lucrezia) but perhaps the influx of new AWCom blood in the likes
of Facter and Flagg and others have actually served to *change* things!
Maybe at one of those "meetings", someone actually said "Hey Rick... it
doesn't look like our current business attitude is working too well.
Maybe we should try this..."

On the other hand, maybe Rick or JP was standing over Facter's shoulder,
telling him what to type in response to your rant. :P The truth is, we
honestly don't know. And since Facter hasn't yet demonstrated full-blown
COF incompetence, (apart from that whole vote fiasco) I'd rather believe
what he says over past dealings.

And as Facter has stated numerous times, it's not his job to patrol the
newsgroups, only to respond to requests for support. Granted, it would
be wonderful if the newsgroups were added to his job description, but
until such time, I think we all need to come to terms with the fact that
the newsgroups (yes, even Wishlist) are merely for the sharing of ideas
and concerns between the AW community alone, and any interaction with
AWCom is kept strictly to emails. (and sometimes telegrams, if yer
lucky... :P) True, not the most ideal of options, but it's all we have.
Let's deal with it, shall we?

[View Quote] --
Goober King
Master of the back-handed compliment :)
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

May 25, 2001, 10:57pm

I think that's asking for a bit much, chief. Next you'll be telling them
to set up a terminal in the conference room so people from AW can be in
on the meetings. :P

The fact is, there are two groups of people here: Us, the customers and
them, the employees. How many companies do you know of that let their
customers view their meeting minutes? For most companies,
customer-employee interaction consists of a recorded voice telling them
to call the PR department between the hours of 11PM and 4AM on Sunday.
:P And considering AWCom's past treatment of customers, having Facter
even giving us a *hint* of what goes on behind close doors should be
enough to ease anyone's fears, especially yours. Hell, I'd figure you'd
be the first person jumping up and down for joy that AWCom finally seems
to be listening. Unless, of course, you're more concerned about your rep
than your beliefs...

It's obvious you trust Facter more than Rick and JP. So how about
trusting him on this one, eh? If Facter says the newsgroup concerns are
being discussed at meetings, that's good enough for me. So should it be
for you.

It's time to put history behind us so we can concentrate on the future.

[View Quote] --
Goober King
If a Goober can change his spots, so can an Eep...
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

May 21, 2001, 10:46am

If you're talking about my rant, allow me to reply.

Never once did I complain that 3.2 won't do anything for me. Nor did I
claim that the features that were being implemented shouldn't be. I
whole-heartedly agree that AWCom needs to be accessible to the widest
range of users possible.

What irks me is their use of the phrase "corporate environment", which
indicates to me that they aren't doing this for us, the citizens.
They're doing this so that corporate sponsors can more easily use the
software. It's not their actions that disturb me, but their motives. If
they're going to pay more attention to corporate sponsors that don't
exist yet than us, how are we supposed to get any customer "service"?

[View Quote] --
Goober King
It's all about motives...
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

May 22, 2001, 12:56am

As I said in the Newbie Guide, you can start applauding when he's gone
for a week. There have been other times where he hasn't mentioned it.
(granted, they are few and far between) He reminds me of a mix between
AFM and Legion, with AFM's penchant for sentence fragments and rabid
posts, and Legion's garbling of English and wierd obsessions.
(Godfather, et al) Now all we need to do is combine jfk2 and n a y R,
and we'll have the ultimate NG monster *cackles wildly*

[View Quote] --
Goober King
But at least with Legion, you *knew* he had a mental disorder...
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

May 22, 2001, 9:53am

He posts whether you talk about him or not, if you haven't noticed. Even
if he has nothing useful to contribute to the discussion! And besides,
by you responding to our posts, you're adding to the "off-topicness" as
well. Gonna have to smackdown your own off-topic ass now, eh? :)

[View Quote] --
Goober King
That should be fun to watch...
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

May 22, 2001, 9:59am

That's just it: When you're in software mode, your computer has to use
the non-3D video card (along with the processor) to try and handle all
the 3D stuff that's going on instead of a real 3D video card. A software
renderer would effectively take the place of a 3D video card and would
ease the load on the non-3D card. That way, those people who don't have
a video card could actually use AW 3.x and not see a slide show. :)

[View Quote] --
Goober King
That is, if Criterion ever *makes* a software renderer...
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

May 22, 2001, 7:11pm

I just have to jump in here :)

http://utn.cjb.net

*points* Tons of places to visit there! Don't forget to check out the
Archived towns too!

[View Quote] --
Goober King
Shutdown Plug Mode... Please Stand By...
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

May 24, 2001, 9:59am

Hey, no problem. :) One thing, though: You probably should change the
UTN link to "http://utn.cjb.net". That way, if we ever move the site
again (and we will be, eventually) you won't have to change anything. :)

Otherwise, keep up the good work :)

[View Quote] --
Goober King
And why do they always make his name one word? *boggle*
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

May 25, 2001, 7:02pm

If it's put on open land, it's authorized by the fact that the person
who's land it's next to didn't cover it properly. If you're referring to
the pict.rwx, sign1.rwx and news1.rwx that are scattered all around AW
GZ, those have been there for *years*. Heck, most of that property's
most likely protected by AWHS.

Oh well, if you see something you don't like, talk to GET and see if
they'll remove it. These newsgroups really aren't the place for
vandalism requests.

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Goober King
As if anyone important pays attention to us anyway :P
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

May 26, 2001, 3:26pm

Actually, it's even easier than what Gamer and Co have suggested. Got to
Start Menu -> Run and type in "winipcfg". Then click the Release All
button, and click the Renew All button right after that. You'll
disconnect for about half a second and your little green checkmark will
disappear in AW, but you'll still be able to wander around and build. :)

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Goober King
For those who *hate* that little green checkmark...
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

May 27, 2001, 10:19pm

Actually KMissile, you don't have to logout at all. You can be standing
in AW and click Release All, then Renew All and just watch your
checkmark disappear. This is especially effective if you're on a
non-static IP, as when you "Renew All", it creates a new IP, and AW
thinks you logged off because it's still looking for your old IP. (At
least, that's how I *think* it works... someone correct me if I'm wrong
here...)

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Goober King
Preferably someone how *knows* what they're talking about, please...
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

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