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Aug 8, 2003, 7:22am

OK, I have to change completely what I just said. John, you were
using one of the 3.4 beta browsers that had this bug (where you beta
tester?). By doing this, you have betrayed the trust put in you by AW.
The newer browsers may seem like they allow a non-CT to change
options, but they don't actually change them, at least, as far as I
could test it.

Or am I wrong, john?

Alex

[View Quote] >Well, actually, AW is wholy to blame, and not john (however foolish
>you may think he was). This is a security issue and should be patched
>inmediately.
>
>Alex
>
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Aug 8, 2003, 7:39am

Even if john was using a beta browser, this is a security issue which
must be addressed by AW. Alpha and Beta testing software should only
work during its allowed period (that is, if beta build 123 replaces
beta build 122, build 122 should not be able to function, and so on).
This might require that completely separate applications be built for
alpha-beta testing (not using the normal build sequence), that would
only work per build number, or that after a beta testing period, a
forced upgrade be done (or both). Beta software should not be allowed
to function outside the beta environment.

Alex

[View Quote] >OK, I have to change completely what I just said. John, you were
>using one of the 3.4 beta browsers that had this bug (where you beta
>tester?). By doing this, you have betrayed the trust put in you by AW.
>The newer browsers may seem like they allow a non-CT to change
>options, but they don't actually change them, at least, as far as I
>could test it.
>
>Or am I wrong, john?
>
>Alex
>
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Aug 8, 2003, 9:32am

Ok, words retracted, john. Which means: both the current version have
this bug (which I could not replicate btw), and according to me, older
beta browsers with this and more bugs can still be used. Two issues
then that AW has to address to protect world owners. And no reason to
punish john, since he did not break a beta - trust. On the contrary,
I would say, for exposing this bug.

Alex

[View Quote] >I duplicated the bug yesterday with the regular v494.
>
>
>
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Aug 8, 2003, 10:54am

What seems to be happening here is that the browser has a basic fault
which should never occur: the browser aught to wait for a
world-attributes event before it believes changes in the world
settings have occured. This is a basic principle in programming.

For clarification (thanks john): the world settings are not changed,
but the browser believes they are. Since it is the browser that
decides ultimately whether to fly or not (of course, normally it obeys
the world settings received in world-attributes), if it believes it
may fly, it will, even if the world settings do not allow it.

Alex

[View Quote] >My citizenship and my 3 worlds were today disabled after previously flying &
>shifting in AWRPG (not a crack, hack or anything, just expoliting a bug that
>AW have left in their system). This is unjust as I have not atcually done
>anything against the rules.
>
>Any suggestions? I've emailed btw.
>
>~John
>

Aug 8, 2003, 12:24pm

A few suggestions to AW:

1) test pointer to and if non nill close the world properties forms
when a client exits a world. this should not be a problem since the
forms are not modal nor do they call modal forms.

2) wait for confirmation from an event world attributes to validate a
change.

3) optional - refresh the world attributes form values when an event
world attributes is received (has its pros and cons)

Alex

[View Quote] >What seems to be happening here is that the browser has a basic fault
>which should never occur: the browser aught to wait for a
>world-attributes event before it believes changes in the world
>settings have occured. This is a basic principle in programming.
>
>For clarification (thanks john): the world settings are not changed,
>but the browser believes they are. Since it is the browser that
>decides ultimately whether to fly or not (of course, normally it obeys
>the world settings received in world-attributes), if it believes it
>may fly, it will, even if the world settings do not allow it.
>
>Alex
>
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Aug 8, 2003, 12:28pm

yes, i did, but since aw is doing cryptic (and so are you, btw :) we
should wait, shouldn't we? there are 2 matters here: john's
bannishment, and a nasty bug in the browser. Has john been notified
of the reason of his bannishment? have we been notified that aw has
acknowledged this bug and will fix it asap?

Alex

On 8 Aug 2003 09:46:14 -0400, "mountain myst"
[View Quote] >Did anyone stop to think that perhaps this had nothing to do with why John's
>citizenship was disabled and that perhaps there are other reasons as to why
>it was?

Aug 8, 2003, 1:14pm

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Aug 8, 2003, 12:30pm

john, your problem!

[View Quote] >Lol... I only sent those two telegrams for M a t t because he asked me too
>
>~John
>
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Aug 10, 2003, 4:48am

So? they forgot to change the date, no big deal... :)

The bot hosting page is at
http://www.alterlinks.com/topics/bothosting.php

Alex

(yeah, nice bot heh?)

On 9 Aug 2003 19:54:52 -0400, "strike rapier"
[View Quote] >mmmmm, just found this after following a link from the Xelagot page (Nice
>work on the latest Alex)...
>
>http://www.alterlinks.com/topics/ftphosting.php
>
>*G* Now THAT is a gurantee you can make!
>
>- Mark
>

Aug 10, 2003, 8:03pm

Well you woke up late! This feature has been there for a year or
so... since 3.3 :)

Alex

On 10 Aug 2003 07:51:26 -0400, "strike rapier"
[View Quote] >Alex,
> Seriouly though its a top notch bot :) Im glad you have implemented
>features such as always console message whispers and such like. I have been
>using things like that on Zeus and Echelon for quite a few months now, im
>glad to see that its now on the main general purpose bot :)
>
>- Mark Randall

Aug 16, 2003, 3:11am

Goober,

Sorry to hear you are stopping your contributions to what is left of
the community. I myself continue with my bot. Not because of the AW
developpers staff, which since Roland and Nelson left, have not
deigned to have a decent dialog with external programmers like me...
but because, being unmarried and childless, my bot is my way of
seeding fruit. A fruit I hope others enjoy.

I, as many others, am deeply disappointed in the AW staff. Their
perception of what they owe to the virtual community is deep below
zero. In financial and moral sense. But there are many things you
can still enjoy here, and I hope you will.

Wish you luck,
Alex


On 14 Aug 2003 23:34:51 -0400, "goober king" <awnews at awnews.org>
[View Quote] >Two years ago, I wrote an edition of StVMP for AWNews where I described
>my first experience in AW. I described how I was filled with awe as I
>watched scenes download around me, and felt compelled to explore this
>new frontier whenever possible. It was this feeling that drove me to do
>whatever I could to try and help solve AW's problems, so other people
>wouldn't have to worry about them and be as I was: someone cheerfully
>lost in a virtual world.
>
>I then ended that opinion piece with the following paragraph:
>"There are days where I think of trying to go back to those days of
>wandering: Abandon UTN, abandon AWNews, abandon the hoards of telegrams
>and contacts, leave behind all the rhetoric and flames of the
>newsgroups, get a new account, and simply wander off into the sunset.rwx
>in search of my next big adventure. That, I think, would be a very
>fitting ending indeed..."
>
>Well, folks, that day has finally arrived. After two years, I've made it
>painfully obvious to myself that there's really nothing I can do to help
>stave off AW's problems. The only person who can do that is Rick Noll,
>and he has made it painfully obvious that he isn't able, or willing, to
>do what it takes to fix said problems.
>
>As for me, I'm just tired. Tired of feeling forced to help a community
>that apparently has no interest in helping itself. Tired of depending on
>undependable people. Tired of watching people who are more interested in
>destroying each other than helping each other. And most of all, I'm
>tired of myself making empty promises that I know I can't keep.
>
>And so, today it all ends. Universal Town Network will be dropping off
>the face of the Net as Computerizer (UTN's host) wipes his web space in
>the coming weeks. The HQs will remain open, but will no longer be
>updated. The AWNews.org domain will expire on Sept. 19th, and the AWNews
>webspace will be shut down shortly thereafter. If anyone really wants to
>take on these projects in my place, feel free to contact me in AW (don't
>bother contacting me through the NGs, as I won't be reading them
>anymore), but considering the current demeanor of the community, I doubt
>I will find any serious takers.
>
>And as for me, I'm going to get back to what I should have been doing
>since I got here way back in 1996: building, exploring, and enjoying
>other people's hard work. After all, I know all too well the toils of a
>thankless job, so it's time I started thanking others for theirs.
>
>Farewell, AW Community. It was fun while it lasted.

Aug 19, 2003, 1:12pm

I have win98 on C, and win2k on D (drive C is also visible to win2k,
but is not the system drive). I *never* install win2k programs on C.

[View Quote] >"joeman" <john at fakeplastic.com> wrote in
>news:3f416c9a$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com:
>
>
>All Win32/16 boxes I've seen have a C drive. It's possible to change the
>drive letter, but why would you do that?
>
>KAH

Aug 28, 2003, 10:36pm

Hi,

great page. One remark: the best strategy is to disable 'use cache'
for a very accurate rendering (this takes longer). The Xelagot cache
is as good as as the AW.DLL responds, the cache is made only when a
whole sector has been received and approved. If in very rare
occasions, if this goes wrong, the cache will give you a wrong result.
I have seen this happen seldom, but as a precaution, for important
backups, disable 'use cache'.

Alex



[View Quote] >At the request of Eigna, I have made a webpage for basics of "Saving Your
>Builds" and "Moving Build to New Area", as projects in Xelagot (by XelaG).
>This is not to serve as documentation that you can and do receive from the
>Xelagot Official Site, which I do include the link to on my page. Its just
>a simplified docs for novices. You can find them at my site at:
>http://www.afantasy.us/xelagot.html
>
>Please feel free to check out the website too. Lightwave's avatars, and of
>course any and all of our resources for Activeworlds.
>
>Sexy Eyes
>
>
>
>
>

Aug 28, 2003, 10:45pm

BTW, you do not need to start the bot afresh to avoid the cache...
the cache is used when you allow it. So if you survey and disable
'use cache', the cache will not be used. If you restart the bot, as
you say, it will still use the cache unless 'use cache' is disabled.

Alex :)

[View Quote] >Hi,
>
>great page. One remark: the best strategy is to disable 'use cache'
>for a very accurate rendering (this takes longer). The Xelagot cache
>is as good as as the AW.DLL responds, the cache is made only when a
>whole sector has been received and approved. If in very rare
>occasions, if this goes wrong, the cache will give you a wrong result.
>I have seen this happen seldom, but as a precaution, for important
>backups, disable 'use cache'.
>
>Alex
>
>
>
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Dec 10, 2003, 12:51pm

On 10 Dec 2003 06:25:43 -0500, "ry" <ryanauNOSPAM at iprimus.com.au>
[View Quote] >I will be Absent from AW from the 16th of Dec, till the 9th of January next
>year.
>I'm going to England for Christmas!

Me too, from dec 19th to 28th :)

Have a nice time, hope it snows!

Alex

>
>Happy holidays everyone!

Dec 15, 2003, 12:46am

Well, extremely clumsy people, whether male or female, should not do
housework :) This LAW is gender neutral.

Alex

On 14 Dec 2003 16:40:29 -0500, "strike rapier"
[View Quote] >They say men should do housework...
>
>HOWEVER!
>
>I would like to make it perfectly clear, using myself as an example, why
>this is not the way things are for a reason. I have broken the hoover, not
>once, not twice.. but SIX times in the last 10 minutes....
>
>There...
>
>An excuse why men shouldent do housework.
>
>- MR
>

Oct 29, 2000, 8:13pm

A new series of xelagot applications: the stand-alone Xelagot Server (GUI
and NT-service version), and two new client applications: the Xelagot
Administrator Client to remotely manage the server, and the Xelagot User
Client to chat with your bots if they are hosted elsewhere. See the new
xelagot page at:

http://www.imatowns.com/xelagot/index.html

Oct 31, 2000, 12:21pm

The NT-service version (first upload) was maxing the CPU. This bug has now
been fixed.

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Nov 1, 2000, 7:37pm

Hello all !

At long last, two programs that have been used and tested by me and a few
others for almost a year now are made available as freeware for
non-commercial use: the Av99Bot was tested during the 1999 September
Aussiecon event, tested and used in War (these are the bots, but not the
scripts!) and by a few others... and the SrvcXlgBot, an NT Service bot
which runs in the background... both can have more than 3 bots, the limit
being what the AW SDK can handle in one instance of the aw.dll. Depending on
how crowded the places are, you can have 10 to 20 bots running in one
application. These programs are not for beginners, though, and they do not
let you interact with the bot through the user interface. Everything must be
planned beforehand and written in the ini file. They run any xelagot
script, and can log into a xelagot server to communicate among themselves
and with their owners. Go to a link to their page at:

XelaG Quality Bots http://www.imatowns.com/xelagot/

Nov 17, 2000, 5:54pm

Are you tired of copy-pasting your speeches one line at a time into the AW
browser? Use a Xelagot to deliver them!

X1 version 2.9999953 has this ability through the user interface.
Previously, you needed to write a script to deliver a speech with a xelagot,
now you can just copy-paste your speech (or part of it) into the bot's chat
or whisper box, and hit ENTER. The speech will be delivered at a reasonable
pace, one line at a time. If you need to stop all ongoing speeches, go to
the menu "Bot | Kill Text" and click on it.

XelaG
http://www.imatowns.com/xelagot/

Nov 19, 2000, 3:49am

AlphaWorld (aw) is closed for bots... Any idea why (going same way as
Atlantis ?????) ?????

XelaG

Nov 19, 2000, 3:50am

AlphaWorld (aw) is closed for bots... Any idea why (going same way as
Atlantis ?????) ?????

XelaG

Nov 19, 2000, 2:22pm

Well its easy to solve: ban the wrongdoer, keep the bots :)

Many ppl 'live' in AW, with their bots. Weekend is just the time for lots
of ppl to have their leisure... with their bots. Bots have never really
been loved by AW: from the begining, world owners were warned of the danger
of bots, never of the advantages and pleasure you can get out of them.
Whenever a person misbehaves using bots, the bots are the culprit, not the
person... that's the reasoning. Wrong in my eyes.

At least , AW could have had the kindness of posting this
weekend-or-whatever ban in their own newsgroups.

XelaG.

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Nov 30, 2000, 12:43am

no not maintenenace... everyone can read the bet ng, but only beta testers
can post... it seems it took a while to figure out....

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Nov 30, 2000, 8:57am

Hi, this might be a Netscape problem. Yesterday while testing the new
settings, some test messages were posted, which are now deleted. Those may
still be 'in the cache' somewhere... :)

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Dec 9, 2000, 5:26pm

I am testing a Chess script and engine for the Xelagot and need
beta-testers. There are 4 chess-boards for testing it in Xelagon of Active
Worlds and in Xelagon of VectorScape. All are welcome, send bug reports and
suggestion to: xelag at 3dee.nl

XelaG

Dec 10, 2000, 2:11pm

If you have a Hex editor, you can do this: copy your browser directory to
another directory on your disk. Open the copy of aworld.exe with the Hex
editor. Look for the string "Alphaworld" (without quotes". Change that to
for example "Blphaworld" or "Clphaworld" (same number of letters). New
browsers have more than one occurence of this world, I think the first one
is the important one.

This is the way it was done in old times... I don't know if it breaches any
law :)

XelaG

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Feb 11, 2001, 8:10am

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Count Dracula, just *think*: if you came in saying that, ppl would =
probably laugh and say: of course it's ok... and everyone would dismiss =
the matter. The GK, as I see it, should try to deflate matters, not the =
other way round. His/her answer could have been: "yes, of course you're =
welcome..." and could have added, in whisper: "we prefer that these =
matters not be discussed here too much, to avoid arguments". But the =
GK's attitude polarised the matter, took an agressive approach, =
consolidating prejudices against gay people. I think this attitude was =
wrong, and I hope AWCOM will realise this and appologise. One does not =
need to be gay to learn to respect other peoples inclinations and, =
frankly, this sort of anti-gay attitude has no place in the 21st =
century, in my humble opinion. The argument used that children were =
present is rubbish: children see all this all the time, on TV, in the =
streets, at home. There was no blatant sexual talk, just a normal =
question and a statement. It was the GK's attitude that polarised the =
matter.

My 2 cents.

XelaG
[View Quote] Drac
internal affairs <ji0414 at starlinx.com> kirjoitti =
viestiss=E4:3a85ecda at server1.Activeworlds.com...
(I know I cross posted this on worldbuilders, but this topic needs =
to get more exposure to the rest of the community. It's an important =
issue)

Everyday, I come across world owners who play God and eject people =
who don't fit in with the rest. Just today, my friend was ejected from =
not one, but three worlds for simply stating that he was gay. What is =
shocking is that these were all AWLD owned worlds, not just privately =
owned worlds. Here is what my friend who happens to be a tourist and gay =
in real life sent me in an e-mail this morning. (Note: In the first =
convo, my friend's name is "I love Craig", and the GK who ejected him =
was named flynn 1.)


"I am use to just staying in private worlds all the time because a =
majority of AW doesn't like gays and don't think too highly upon them. I =
decided that it was time to come out of hiding and visit some public AW =
worlds. I started off by asking if gays were allowed to be there, =
because usually if someone finds out I am gay they will eject me or =
torment me for it. Here is my first visit to awgate... (note: I had to =
cut short some of the comments made by other people not affiliated with =
the situation to save you time on reading it)

Immigration Officer: Welcome to the Gateway to Active Worlds!
"x plorer": h

"x plorer": e

"x plorer": l

"x plorer": l

"x plorer": o

flynn 1: x plorer, be careful hon, the bot dont like ppl to scroll =
:)

"x plorer": okay flynn sorry=20

flynn 1: no prob x plorer, i'd hate you to get booted :)

"I love Craig": hello=20

flynn 1: hi i love craig :)

"CYBORG": Hi

"x plorer": You love Craig!!!!!

"I love Craig": hi flynn

flynn 1: no i dont!!!!

Anonymizer: Privacy Is Our Right !

Zerena: Does anyone know why an imigration officer would eject =
someone?

"I love Craig": I am just wondering, but are gay people allowed =
here?

"I love Craig": because usually I get ejected if someone finds out I =
am gay

flynn 1: hope you are not gonna bring yer bugs to my party :(

flynn 1: we have children here i love craig, we dont have that talk =
here ok?

Zerena: Do you know why imigration would eject someone?

"I love Craig": I am just asking

"I love Craig": no reason for an attitude

flynn 1: I love craig, please stop this now =20
"I love Craig": I do not deserve to be treated this way

flynn 1: oh be quiet you fool, cant you see that it isnt suitable =
chat for a place with kids?

"I love Craig": I do not respect you calling me a fool, flynn

"I love Craig": you are the fool here sir

dUNcE: u are being treated the way gays should be

flynn 1: & i dont care!

"I love Craig": thats exactly the attitude that I dont respect

"I love Craig": "you just don't care" about things

flynn 1: so, report me if you have to. I don't care

"I love Craig": Very well, I will see to it that your status gets =
revoked as gatekeeper

Lady TeaL: This is a place to have fun, not to be tormented by =
homosexuals

"CYBORG": Go ahead eject him

dUNcE: Craig...u can do all the reporting u want..we will all stick =
up 4 flynn

flynn 1: tx ppl

"CYBORG": Homophobe

"I love Craig": well you are just gonna protect flynn whenever he =
gets in trouble

"I love Craig": and then he is just gonna do it again after this

flynn 1: craig, now i'm asking you to stop or leave

"I love Craig": stop what exactly?

"CYBORG": Flyynn needs a big gay man to givr him a lap dance

"I love Craig": I have done nothing wrong


"I love Craig": except being gay...which in your mind is wrong

dUNcE: flynn is a woman u divvocks

Sea Swallow: flynn is not saying its wrong .... just not a subject =
for the gate

"CYBORG": Do you want a lap dance too?

"I love Craig": what is the subject again...refresh my memory

flynn 1: stop this now or I will have to remove you

UsuL 2: Cyborg , you need to keep your comments G -rated too

"CYBORG": You need one

"CYBORG": A lap dance on your laptop

flynn 1: gay people aren't suitable for children in the gate

flynn 1: If someone offends you in any way, remember you can mute =
them by right clicking on their avatar & selecting mute........Wonderful =
feature!

"I love Craig": I don't mean to be rude...but there are children of =
the homosexual decent

UsuL 2: lap dances are hardly G-rated

flynn 1: If you are unsure of the few rules we have here, please =
type "world ruIes" you will be shown our guidelines... thank you!

"I love Craig": world rules

"CYBORG": Howq do you know what a lap dance is? Ms. G-rated

"I love Craig": I don't mean to stir an arguement

"I love Craig": but I just want to remain in the gate for being =
myself and nothing else

dUNcE: wtf has flynn done anyway Craig?

"I love Craig": flynn has been wanting to eject me because I am gay

Luggage: Is there a GK on duty ?

"I love Craig": and my name isn't craig

SMOKE JUMPER1: thats your freedom of choice but i dont want too see =
it

"I love Craig": it's who I love, not my real name

Lady TeaL: Craig leave it alone She is just doing her Job She isn't =
against anyone

"I love Craig": but she is doing her job wrong. she is clearly =
against gays

"MentalyDisturbed": no GKs on duty!!! to good to be true

"CYBORG": You can[t help who you love -- yoou

"CYBORG": you're just gay

"I love Craig": and where does it say in her job descirption that =
you eject homosexual people?

"I love Craig": homosexuals are people too, you know

Immigration Officer: You have been ejected from awgate

After I was ejected for simply being who I am, I wanted to see if I =
would be ejected from other worlds for being gay too. I headed on over =
to AWTeen, and the rest explains itself.

Also note what CYBORG has said through the entire convo. He =
continually expresses offensive comments, yet the GK's only go as far as =
warning him and CYBORG still doesn't stop. Obviously the GK's don't =
really care as much about offensive comments than they do about gay =
people.

Immigration Officer: Welcome to AWTeen! Be sure to attend the Date =
That Geek competition today at 7PM VRT! More information can be found at =
www.shoemakervillage.org/geek.html! A public meeting will be held today =
at 5PM at 19s 3e with XelNaga, Elana87, and MoonBeam!

[Customs Aide]: Welcome, "I love Craig". For the Conduct Guidelines =
please say World Rules or see http://www.activeworlds.com/conduct.html

[Chess Bot]: Welcome to AWTeen, "I love Craig"! Come to the AWTeen =
Game Center South of GZ to play a game of chess or tic-tac-toe! More =
games will be added soon!

"I love Craig": hello

"I love Craig": are gay people allowed in this world or no?

TrekkerX: yes unfortunaly

"I love Craig": unfortunately?

"I love Craig": why is being gay a bad thing?

TrekkerX: goto theworld Gay for gays you gay

"I love Craig": no I will stay here

TrekkerX: i dont like gays

"I love Craig": well that is your problem

TrekkerX: they do werd things to me

Nornny: who even does like gays these days?

"I love Craig": but please dont start an arugment with me about =
being gay

Immigration Officer: You have been ejected from awteen

This one was a lot shorter than the first. I wasn't even given a =
warning for "being gay".

As you can see, I am deeply hurt by all this. The combined =
immaturity and the lack of respect for other people make your little GK =
"helping hand" program a disgrace. You should enforce better screenings, =
and mandatory monitoring of all GK and PK related activity. And =
violation should result to a punishment that equal to the guideline =
broken. If someone applies to be a GK or a PK, they should first become =
a Junior PK or GK or something of the same equivalency. They will be =
monitored and tested at random times without them knowing to see how =
they handle certain situations. Maybe you should even go as far as =
policing your own police. Right now you have the GKs and PKs policing =
the community, yet no one policing them. Setting up an internal or =
external affairs unit would resolve all conflicts between GKs & PKs and =
the community. They should stop playing God, because there not good at =
it. Please do something...

My people have spoken"

This kind of stuff shouldn't be happening and it is a disgrace that =
not only is it happening in the real world, but also online. You all =
should be ashamed of yourselves for depriving someone of there fun on =
the internet simply because of who they are.


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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Count Dracula, just *think*: if you =
came in saying=20
that, ppl would probably laugh and say: of course it's ok... and =
everyone would=20
dismiss the matter.&nbsp; The GK, as I see it, should try to deflate =
matters,=20
not the other way round.&nbsp; His/her answer could have been: "yes, of =
course=20
you're welcome..." and could have added, in whisper: "we prefer that =
these=20
matters not be discussed here too much, to avoid arguments".&nbsp; But =
the GK's=20
attitude polarised the matter, took an agressive approach, consolidating =

prejudices against gay people.&nbsp; I think this attitude was wrong, =
and I hope=20
AWCOM will realise this and appologise. One does not need to be gay to =
learn to=20
respect other peoples inclinations and, frankly, this sort of anti-gay =
attitude=20
has no place in the 21st century, in my humble opinion. The argument =
used that=20
children were present is rubbish: children see all this all the time, on =
TV, in=20
the streets, at home.&nbsp; There was no blatant sexual talk, just a =
normal=20
question and a statement.&nbsp; It was the GK's attitude that polarised =
the=20
matter.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>My 2 cents.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>XelaG</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"count dracula o" &lt;<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:Count_Drcaula at bigfoot.com">Count_Drcaula at bigfoot.com</A>&g=
t;=20
[View Quote] sir</FONT></P></B>
<P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D1>dUNcE: u are being treated the way =
gays should=20
be</FONT></P><B>
<P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D1>flynn 1: &amp; i dont =
care!</FONT></P>
<P></B></FONT><FONT color=3D#000000><B><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D1>"I love Craig":=20
thats exactly the attitude that I dont respect</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D1>"I love Craig": "you just don't care" =
about=20
things</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D1>flynn 1: so, report me if you have =
to. I don't=20
care</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size=3D1><B>"I love =
Craig":&nbsp;Very=20
well,&nbsp;I will see to it that your status gets revoked as=20
gatekeeper</P></B></FONT></B></FONT>
<P><FONT color=3D#000000><FONT face=3DArial size=3D1>Lady TeaL: This =
is a place to=20
have fun, not to be tormented by homosexuals</FONT></P>
<P></FONT><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#707070 size=3D1>"CYBORG": Go =
ahead eject=20
him</FONT></P>
<P><FONT color=3D#000000><FONT face=3DArial size=3D1>dUNcE: =
Craig...u can do all=20
the reporting u want..we will all stick up 4 flynn</FONT></P>
<P></FONT><FONT color=3D#000000><B><FONT face=3DArial size=3D1>flynn =
1: tx=20
ppl</FONT></P>
<P></B></FONT><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#707070 size=3D1>"CYBORG":=20
Homophobe</P></FONT><B><FONT color=3D#000000>
<P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D1>"I love Craig":&nbsp;well you are =
just&nbsp;gonna=20
protect&nbsp;flynn whenever he gets in trouble</FONT></P></B>
<P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D1>"I love Craig": and then he is just =
gonna do it=20
again after this</FONT></P><B>
<P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D1>flynn 1: craig, now i'm asking you to =
stop or=20
leave</FONT></P></B>
<P></FONT><B><FONT color=3D#000000><FONT face=3DArial size=3D1>"I =
love Craig":=20
stop what exactly?</FONT></P></B></FONT><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#707070=20
size=3D1>
<P>"CYBORG": Flyynn needs a big gay man to givr him a lap=20
dance</P></FONT><B><FONT color=3D#000000>
<P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D1>"I love Craig": I have done nothing=20
wrong</FONT></P></B></FONT><FONT color=3D#707070></FONT><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#000000 size=3D1></FONT><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#707070=20
size=3D1></FONT><FONT color=3D#000000>
<P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D1></FONT><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D1></FONT><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D1></FONT></P>
<P><B><FONT face=3DArial size=3D1>"I love Craig": except being =
gay...which in=20
your&nbsp;mind is wrong</FONT></B></P>
<P></FONT><FONT color=3D#000000><FONT face=3DArial size=3D1>dUNcE: =
flynn is a=20
woman u divvocks</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D1>Sea Swallow: flynn is not saying its =
wrong ....=20
just not a subject for the gate</FONT></P></FONT><FONT =
color=3D#707070>
<P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D1>"CYBORG": Do you want a lap dance=20
too?</FONT></P></FONT><B><FONT color=3D#000000>
<P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D1>"I love Craig": what is the subject=20
again...refresh my memory</FONT></P></B></FONT>
<P><I><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D1>flynn 1: stop this =
now or I will=20
have to remove you</P>
<P></I></FONT><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size=3D1>UsuL 2: =
Cyborg , you=20
need to keep your comments G -rated too</P>
<P></FONT><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#707070 size=3D1>"CYBORG": You =
need one</P>
<P>"CYBORG": A lap dance on your laptop</P></FONT><FONT face=3DArial =

color=3D#000000 size=3D1>
<P></FONT><I><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D1>flynn 1: =
gay=20
people&nbsp;aren't suitable for children in the =
gate</P></I></FONT><FONT=20
face=3DArial color=3D#707070 size=3D1>
<P></FONT><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size=3D1>flynn 1: If =
someone=20
offends you in any way, remember you can mute them by right clicking =
on=20
their avatar &amp; selecting mute........Wonderful feature!</P>
<P>"I love Craig": I don't mean to be rude...but there are children =
of the=20
homosexual decent</P></B>
<P>UsuL 2: lap dances are hardly G-rated</P></FONT><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#707070 size=3D1>
<P></FONT><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size=3D1>flynn 1: If =
you are=20
unsure of the few rules we have here, please type "world ruIes" you =
will be=20
shown our guidelines... thank you!</P>
<P></B></FONT><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size=3D1>"I love =
Craig": world=20
rules</B></FONT><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#707070 =
size=3D1></P></FONT><FONT=20
face=3DArial color=3D#707070 size=3D1>
<P></FONT><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#707070 size=3D1>"CYBORG": Howq =
do you know=20
what a lap dance is? Ms. G-rated</P></FONT><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D1>
<P></FONT><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size=3D1>"I love =
Craig": I don't=20
mean to stir an arguement</B></FONT><I><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D1></P></I></FONT><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000000 =
size=3D1>
<P>"I love Craig": but I just want to remain in the gate for being =
myself=20
and nothing else</B></FONT><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#707070=20
size=3D1></P></FONT><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size=3D1>
<P>dUNcE: wtf has flynn done anyway Craig?</P></FONT><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#707070 size=3D1>
<P></FONT><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size=3D1><B>"I love =
Craig": flynn has=20
been wanting to eject me because I am gay</P></B>
<P>Luggage: Is there a GK on duty ?</P><B>
<P>"I love Craig": and my name isn't craig</P></B>
<P>SMOKE JUMPER1: thats your freedom of choice but i dont want too =
see=20
it</P><B>
<P>"I love Craig": it's who I love, not my real name</P></B>
<P>Lady TeaL: Craig leave it alone She is just doing her Job She =
isn't=20
against anyone</P><B>
<P>"I love Craig": but she is doing&nbsp;her job wrong. she is =
clearly=20
against gays</P></B></FONT><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#707070 =
size=3D1>
<P>"MentalyDisturbed": no GKs on duty!!! to good to be true</P>
<P></FONT><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#707070 size=3D1>"CYBORG": You =
can[t help who=20
you love -- yoou</P></FONT>
<P><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#707070 size=3D1>"CYBORG": you're just =

gay</P></FONT><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size=3D1>
<P><B>"I love Craig": and where does it say in her =
job&nbsp;descirption that=20
you eject homosexual people?</P></B></FONT>
<P><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size=3D1>"I love =
Craig":&nbsp;homosexuals=20
are people too, you know</P></B>
<P></FONT><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#238e23 size=3D1>Immigration =
Officer: You=20
have been ejected from awgate</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#238e23><FONT color=3D#000000 =
size=3D2><STRONG>After I=20
was ejected for simply being who I am, I wanted to see if I would be =
ejected=20
from other worlds for being gay too. I headed on over to AWTeen, and =
the=20
rest explains itself.</STRONG></FONT></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#238e23 size=3D1><FONT color=3D#000000 =

size=3D3><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Also note what CYBORG has said =
through the=20
entire convo. He&nbsp;continually expresses&nbsp;offensive comments, =
yet the=20
GK's only go as far as warning him and CYBORG still doesn't=20
stop.</FONT></STRONG> <STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Obviously the GK's =
don't really=20
care as much about offensive comments than they do about gay=20
people.</FONT></STRONG></FONT></P>
<P></FONT><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#238e23 size=3D1>Immigration =
Officer: Welcome=20
to AWTeen! Be sure to attend the Date That Geek competition today at =
7PM=20
VRT! More information can be found at =
www.shoemakervillage.org/geek.html! A=20
public meeting will be held today at 5PM at 19s 3e with XelNaga, =
Elana87,=20
and MoonBeam!</P></FONT><I><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D1>
<P>[Customs Aide]: Welcome, "I love Craig". For the Conduct =
Guidelines=20
please say World Rules or see =
http://www.activeworlds.com/conduct.html</P>
<P>[Chess Bot]: Welcome to AWTeen, "I love Craig"! Come to the =
AWTeen Game=20
Center South of GZ to play a game of chess or tic-tac-toe! More =
games will=20
be added soon!</P></I></FONT><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000000 =
size=3D1>
<P><STRONG>"I love Craig": hello</STRONG></P>
<P><STRONG>"I love Craig": are gay people allowed in this world or=20
no?</STRONG></P>
<P>TrekkerX: yes unfortunaly</P><B>
<P>"I love Craig": unfortunately?</P>
<P>"I love Craig": why is being gay a&nbsp;bad thing?</P></B>
<P>TrekkerX: goto theworld Gay for gays you gay</P><B>
<P>"I love Craig": no I will stay here</P></B>
<P>TrekkerX: i dont like gays</P><B>
<P>"I love Craig": well that is your problem</P></B>
<P>TrekkerX: they do werd things to me<B></P></B>
<P>Nornny: who even does like gays these days?</P><B>
<P>"I love Craig": but please dont start an arugment with me about =
being=20
gay</P></B></FONT><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#238e23 size=3D1>
<P>Immigration Officer: You have been ejected from awteen</P>
<P><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2><STRONG>This one was a lot shorter =
than the=20
first. I wasn't even given a warning for "being =
gay".</STRONG></FONT></P>
<P><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2><STRONG>As you can see, I am =
deeply hurt by=20
all this. The combined immaturity and the lack of respect for other =
people=20
make your little GK "helping hand" program a disgrace. You should =
enforce=20
better screenings, and mandatory monitoring of all GK and PK related =

activity. And violation should result to a punishment that equal to =
the=20
guideline broken. If someone applies to be a GK or a PK, they should =
first=20
become a Junior PK or GK or something of the same equivalency. They =
will be=20
monitored and tested&nbsp; at random times without them knowing to =
see how=20
they handle certain situations. Maybe you should even go as far as =
policing=20
your own police. Right now you have&nbsp;the GKs and =
PKs&nbsp;policing the=20
community, yet no one policing them. Setting up an internal or =
external=20
affairs unit would resolve all conflicts between GKs&nbsp;&amp; PKs =
and the=20
community. They should stop playing God, because there not good at =
it.=20
Please do something...</STRONG></FONT></P>
<P><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2><STRONG>My people have=20
spoken</STRONG>"</FONT></P>
<P><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>This kind of stuff shouldn't be =
happening and=20
it is&nbsp;a disgrace&nbsp;that not only is it happening in the real =
world,=20
but also online. You all should be ashamed of yourselves for =
depriving=20
someone of there fun on the internet simply because of who they=20
=
are.</FONT></P></FONT></DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY>=
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Count Dracula,=20

There is a big difference. We always assume our fellow ppl to be =
heterosexual. Nobody thinks twice if a male expresses his affection for =
a particular woman or for women in genral, not in GZ AW worlds, not =
elsewhere. Unless explicit cyber-sex phrases are used, there is not a GK =
in the world who would complain, let alone become aggressive. Gay ppl, =
men and women, have been so harrassed for centuries, and are still being =
harrassed, that they are forced to hide their identity.... you would not =
dream of accepting such a thing concerning heterosexuality if you are =
hetero yourself, it would feel completely unnatural and would drive you =
nuts. I personally do not care if someone is hetero or gay, but I do =
care about the different treatment we impose on gay people compared to =
the so called 'normal' mayority. So if stating you are hetero by talking =
about women goes unnoticed, and using deprecatory language or =
insinuations about gays goes mostly unpunished, why on earth do we get =
aggressive when someone asks a simple question like was asked today? =
The GK's attitude only helps to re-inforce prejudices, and shows a =
complete lack of tact and understanding of the situation. One of the =
first steps in feeling free is to be able to state what you are. You =
don't need to be radical for that, and comparisons to extreme lesbian =
activists is misplaced in this context. And in view of the general =
tendency in our society to discriminate against gays, do you think it is =
weird that someone asks whether gays are welcome? The GK's attitude =
also re-inforces the idea that you can better hide who you are or get =
ejected... therefore, gays are not welcome, that is the conclusion I =
must draw from these 2 incidents.

As I said before, it would have been much better to welcome the person =
as a gay person, and maybe talk privately to him saying whatever the GK =
though s/he ought to say... This could have been a great opportunity =
which was missed. In fact, I think a big injustice was commited here.

XelaG
[View Quote] Drac
xelag <xelag at 3dee.nl> kirjoitti =
viestiss=E4:3a86650b at server1.Activeworlds.com...
Count Dracula, just *think*: if you came in saying that, ppl would =
probably laugh and say: of course it's ok... and everyone would dismiss =
the matter. The GK, as I see it, should try to deflate matters, not the =
other way round. His/her answer could have been: "yes, of course you're =
welcome..." and could have added, in whisper: "we prefer that these =
matters not be discussed here too much, to avoid arguments". But the =
GK's attitude polarised the matter, took an agressive approach, =
consolidating prejudices against gay people. I think this attitude was =
wrong, and I hope AWCOM will realise this and appologise. One does not =
need to be gay to learn to respect other peoples inclinations and, =
frankly, this sort of anti-gay attitude has no place in the 21st =
century, in my humble opinion. The argument used that children were =
present is rubbish: children see all this all the time, on TV, in the =
streets, at home. There was no blatant sexual talk, just a normal =
question and a statement. It was the GK's attitude that polarised the =
matter.

My 2 cents.

XelaG
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Count Dracula, </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>There is a big difference. We always =
assume our=20
fellow ppl to be heterosexual. Nobody thinks twice if a male expresses =
his=20
affection for a particular woman or for women in genral, not in GZ AW =
worlds,=20
not elsewhere. Unless explicit cyber-sex phrases are used, there is not =
a GK in=20
the world who would complain, let alone become aggressive.&nbsp; Gay =
ppl, men=20
and women, have been so harrassed for centuries, and are still being =
harrassed,=20
that they are forced to hide their identity.... you would not dream of =
accepting=20
such a thing&nbsp;concerning&nbsp;heterosexuality if you are hetero=20
yourself,&nbsp;it would feel completely unnatural and would drive you =
nuts. I=20
personally do not care if someone is hetero or gay, but I do care about =
the=20
different treatment we impose on gay people compared to the so called =
'normal'=20
mayority. So if stating you are hetero by talking about women goes =
unnoticed,=20
and using deprecatory language or insinuations about gays goes mostly=20
unpunished, why on earth do we get aggressive when someone asks a simple =

question like was asked today?&nbsp; The GK's attitude only helps to =
re-inforce=20
prejudices, and shows a complete lack of tact and understanding of the=20
situation.&nbsp; One of the first steps in feeling free is to be able to =
state=20
what you are. You don't need to be radical for that, =
and&nbsp;comparisons to=20
extreme lesbian activists is misplaced in this context.&nbsp; And in =
view of the=20
general tendency in our society to discriminate against gays, do you =
think it is=20
weird that someone asks whether gays are welcome?&nbsp; The GK's =
attitude also=20
re-inforces the idea that you can better hide who you are or get =
ejected...=20
therefore, gays are not welcome, that is the conclusion I must draw from =
these 2=20
incidents.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>As I said before, it would have been =
much better to=20
welcome the person as a gay person, and maybe talk privately to him =
saying=20
whatever the GK though s/he ought to say... This could have been a great =

opportunity which was missed. In fact, I think a big injustice was =
commited=20
here.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>XelaG</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"count dracula o" &lt;<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:Count_Drcaula at bigfoot.com">Count_Drcaula at bigfoot.com</A>&g=
t;=20
[View Quote] worlds,because I actually do not give a shit about their sexual=20
preference;idiots beeing hetero/bi/homosexual might find =
themselves=20
ejected at some point though.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Drac</FONT><FONT face=3DArial =
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Feb 11, 2001, 11:13pm

LOL are you serious? If parents do not want their children to learn about
'homosexuals' or whatever, would they allow free access to internet to those
children? ... anyone who is allowed by their parents to come in here has
also had a bit of contact with the outer worlds. Any parent with religious
beliefs that would not allow such interaction (and there are quite a few)
would not give their children the opportunity to engage in cyber travel.

XelaG

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