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Aug 7, 2003, 4:50pm

My citizenship and my 3 worlds were today disabled after previously flying &
shifting in AWRPG (not a crack, hack or anything, just expoliting a bug that
AW have left in their system). This is unjust as I have not atcually done
anything against the rules.

Any suggestions? I've emailed btw.

~John

Aug 7, 2003, 5:05pm

"john" <john at 3d-reality.com> skrev i meddelandet news:3f329f5d at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> My citizenship and my 3 worlds were today disabled after previously flying &
> shifting in AWRPG (not a crack, hack or anything, just expoliting a bug that
> AW have left in their system). This is unjust as I have not atcually done
> anything against the rules.

And this "bug" doesn't involve memory patching?

> Any suggestions? I've emailed btw.

Uh... just have to wait and hope that they change their mind then...

Aug 7, 2003, 5:13pm

Strike Rapier suggested that I might have broken the EULA so here is the
last one I saw:

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Aug 7, 2003, 5:15pm

Actually the bug is in the world features dialog. Go into a world you have
CT in, and leave the world features dialog open, go into a world where
fly/shift isn't alloud and select fly and shift on in the world features
dialog. click apply and ok, and you have fly/shift in that world

-Mod
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Aug 7, 2003, 5:17pm

Exactly - No reason to ban

~John

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Aug 7, 2003, 5:59pm

Wait... but, why were you doing this exactly? Was there a justified
reason... Or were you just being foolish?

-Joe

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Aug 7, 2003, 6:10pm

Personally, I think he was just being foolish. World owners set the world
features for a reason and don't like when people mess with them. He
shouldn't have done what he did, but he should have gotten a warning from
AWI or the world owner, not a banning. The point is, that he didn't hack to
do what he did. He simply used, foolishly, a bug that was left in the
browser. I hope they are doing something to fix the bug. I would hate to see
more kids being banned for doing what you know kids will do when they find
something like this to play with.

Imagine

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Aug 7, 2003, 6:23pm

I was only doing it because I could supposedly only be banned from AWRPG
because I wasn't hacking, cracking, modifying aw's software in any way or
breaking the terms of the eula which I have (dating back from 2.2 I belive)
on my computer.



~John

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Aug 7, 2003, 9:17pm

I think there is a greeting in the world that warns about that sort of thing

J

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Aug 7, 2003, 10:07pm

The warning dont say notin bout bugs

Aug 7, 2003, 10:09pm

But i checked the world server your worlds are running fine

Aug 8, 2003, 6:46am

Well, actually, AW is wholy to blame, and not john (however foolish
you may think he was). This is a security issue and should be patched
inmediately.

Alex

[View Quote] >Personally, I think he was just being foolish. World owners set the world
>features for a reason and don't like when people mess with them. He
>shouldn't have done what he did, but he should have gotten a warning from
>AWI or the world owner, not a banning. The point is, that he didn't hack to
>do what he did. He simply used, foolishly, a bug that was left in the
>browser. I hope they are doing something to fix the bug. I would hate to see
>more kids being banned for doing what you know kids will do when they find
>something like this to play with.
>
>Imagine
>
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Aug 8, 2003, 6:49am

Absolutely agreed, especially, because of the action taken the word now
spreaded all over the newsgroups.



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Aug 8, 2003, 7:22am

OK, I have to change completely what I just said. John, you were
using one of the 3.4 beta browsers that had this bug (where you beta
tester?). By doing this, you have betrayed the trust put in you by AW.
The newer browsers may seem like they allow a non-CT to change
options, but they don't actually change them, at least, as far as I
could test it.

Or am I wrong, john?

Alex

[View Quote] >Well, actually, AW is wholy to blame, and not john (however foolish
>you may think he was). This is a security issue and should be patched
>inmediately.
>
>Alex
>
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Aug 8, 2003, 7:39am

Even if john was using a beta browser, this is a security issue which
must be addressed by AW. Alpha and Beta testing software should only
work during its allowed period (that is, if beta build 123 replaces
beta build 122, build 122 should not be able to function, and so on).
This might require that completely separate applications be built for
alpha-beta testing (not using the normal build sequence), that would
only work per build number, or that after a beta testing period, a
forced upgrade be done (or both). Beta software should not be allowed
to function outside the beta environment.

Alex

[View Quote] >OK, I have to change completely what I just said. John, you were
>using one of the 3.4 beta browsers that had this bug (where you beta
>tester?). By doing this, you have betrayed the trust put in you by AW.
>The newer browsers may seem like they allow a non-CT to change
>options, but they don't actually change them, at least, as far as I
>could test it.
>
>Or am I wrong, john?
>
>Alex
>
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Aug 8, 2003, 9:13am

I duplicated the bug yesterday with the regular v494.



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Aug 8, 2003, 9:14am

Oh Good
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Aug 8, 2003, 9:15am

Yea i'm on 494... or I was

~John

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Aug 8, 2003, 9:32am

Ok, words retracted, john. Which means: both the current version have
this bug (which I could not replicate btw), and according to me, older
beta browsers with this and more bugs can still be used. Two issues
then that AW has to address to protect world owners. And no reason to
punish john, since he did not break a beta - trust. On the contrary,
I would say, for exposing this bug.

Alex

[View Quote] >I duplicated the bug yesterday with the regular v494.
>
>
>
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Aug 8, 2003, 9:44am

*nods head*

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D a n

Aug 8, 2003, 9:47am

Same here, followed the instructions, went to awrpg and had pass-through and
fly options..

So from where is see it its a client problem not anything to do with "Hacks"
as you have never modified, changed(apart from your own world settings)
reversed engineered used any other means apart from what was there as a
option.. Mind you if I remember right its not long ago when a person found a
major security problem and was held up as a god.. You cant have one law for
some and another for others.

This little issue is withing a unmodified client software nothing to do with
"hacks"


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Aug 8, 2003, 10:40am

Thank you number 6 :-)

~John

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Aug 8, 2003, 10:54am

What seems to be happening here is that the browser has a basic fault
which should never occur: the browser aught to wait for a
world-attributes event before it believes changes in the world
settings have occured. This is a basic principle in programming.

For clarification (thanks john): the world settings are not changed,
but the browser believes they are. Since it is the browser that
decides ultimately whether to fly or not (of course, normally it obeys
the world settings received in world-attributes), if it believes it
may fly, it will, even if the world settings do not allow it.

Alex

[View Quote] >My citizenship and my 3 worlds were today disabled after previously flying &
>shifting in AWRPG (not a crack, hack or anything, just expoliting a bug that
>AW have left in their system). This is unjust as I have not atcually done
>anything against the rules.
>
>Any suggestions? I've emailed btw.
>
>~John
>

Aug 8, 2003, 11:19am

Looks like aw made a tiny little mistake there... they should auto close
world features and rights when you go to a different world.

~John

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Aug 8, 2003, 11:27am

Technically if this is here:
"AWCOM exercises no screening, editorial, or other control over Content
available to you through your use of the Software and AW Software, and
Content may include material that could be deemed distasteful, misleading,
inaccurate, offensive, pornographic or otherwise objectionable. Furthermore,
use of the Software or AW Software does not guarantee any privacy or
confidentiality of any Content you post or make available through the
Software and AWCOM assumes no responsibility or liability for the
preservation of such Content and may modify or remove it at AWCOM's sole
discretion. You hereby release AWCOM from any and all liability for all
claims related to Content as well as claims related to the security or level
of privacy provided."
Didn't AW break the EULA contract?
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Aug 8, 2003, 11:29am

How?

~John

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Aug 8, 2003, 11:32am

Is your name in reference to The Prisoner?
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Aug 8, 2003, 11:34am

I agree fully. I think AW should give him an extension to his cit and a
world upgrade, not only for finding the bug, but also in compensation for
losing his cit.
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Aug 8, 2003, 11:39am

All I want is my cit back :-s

~John

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Aug 8, 2003, 11:46am

Did anyone stop to think that perhaps this had nothing to do with why John's
citizenship was disabled and that perhaps there are other reasons as to why
it was?

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