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Nov 30, 2005, 11:55pm

anyone know what happened to Freebies world ?

Dec 1, 2005, 2:35pm

elmo
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Dec 1, 2005, 5:26pm

It expired the third week of November. I talked to JP today and we are
checking to see if the owner wants to renew and if the world would have a
host. I paid for the renewal in 2003. Lady Aleena paid for it in 2004. For
everyone who has taken models and not given it a thought, that was a private
world and the models were donations of work, time and money from your fellow
citizens. It was renewed by caring people and hosted by a benevolent host. A
sign has been in that world since day one only "asking" that people donate
if they chose to and only if they had some extra cash.

I would say now is the time to step forward. I will know by tomorrow
afternoon if the world is renewable and if it has a host. I'll post again at
that time. But if everyone wants free models.......see if you can't cough up
a dollar or two, please?? Thanks!! :))
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Dec 1, 2005, 8:04pm

Sounds good, they did have good objects after all
But don't forget, all is not lost
http://www.myactiveworlds.com/~danmark/freebies/ has all the objects in
a few zip files

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Dec 1, 2005, 8:43pm

that is ever so sad
loads of worlds benifited by getting Free Objects from Freebies, i know as
iv'e seen some of mine
in atleast 7 AW worlds and in another Universe.

Unfortunately most people just take and dont give, maybe Freebies should
have changed names and
charged $10 a year membership ?


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Dec 2, 2005, 1:59am

ya, that or, if they sold certain objects until they have enough money to
run the world for another year, then let them go for free, and next year,
try to come up with a new batch.
I'm sure they'd be able to find some people willing to donate objects
exclusivly for that cause. I would if i were asked, assuming i have enough
time to.

-SWE

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Dec 2, 2005, 2:02am

So people donate and then need to pay $10 to get to use their own objects +
other donated objects?

I think it would be nice if it was donate and you get free access, others
would need todo something in return - even at least provide a reference to
the world.

Any objects that were previously donated could not be included with the
world if it charged $10, as the modellers donated them for free public use,
knowing that there are donations accepted, and everyone knows how much money
donations gather.
They didn't make the models to be sold for $10 per month, if they did,
they'd be selling the objects themselves.

AWI should really assist with the world, renewing it and such. The world is
non-profit and is helping the customers of AW, so what else do AW want? It's
basically the world owner doing AWI's work and paying them for it.

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Dec 2, 2005, 2:17am

Maybe have a free section and a Members section,
models could be uploaded via a script on the wbsite with a tick box to
show the donators preference for it to go into free or Members.
I think many would be happy to select Members when uploading knowing
they are helping to keep the world up and running.
Also donators could have free Membership.

some of the more basic models should be free but others like build sets and
more appealing models could go in the Members section and be like $2 each or
something ?
or maybe a yearly fee, whichever works best.


Yeah idealy AW should step in and help out as if it wasnt for Freebies and
other worlds like it
then users would be stuck with the generic AW Objects which in most eyes
leave a lot to be desired.


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Dec 2, 2005, 8:20am

The real point is, its a free world, and it was designed to give out things
for free. When it was created, and every time it is renewed, the person
paying the price understands that they are doing so.

It's nice to be nice, but the world owner/funder/caretakers aren't posting
on these NGs complaining about it.

I'm not saying that the world should stay free, I'm just being the devil's
advocate and trying to explain the other side of things.

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Dec 2, 2005, 9:07am

just for info the world freebies is too in spriralmatrix but not open for
touriste :(

"tag SvA" <none at none.none> a écrit dans le message de news:
438e581b$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> anyone know what happened to Freebies world ?
>

Dec 2, 2005, 10:34am

I could change that heu if anyone is intrested?


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Dec 2, 2005, 9:52pm

If it was changed, then SpiralMatrix may be getting more visitors than
ever... but most likey, they'd just be visiting to check out that world..
They would come, get the objects they need, then leave.

I think $14.95 (is that still the reg. price?) is a great bundle deal price
for access to SpiralMatrix as a citizen, and subscription to the world
'Freebie'.

Think that as the fee for keeping the world running. :)

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Dec 3, 2005, 6:36pm

well I don't see a problem with that just no point if no one is going to
bother comming, it was never set as tourist access before as there was
one in AW so saw no point.


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Dec 4, 2005, 7:52am

I would be happy to renew, host, maintain, and guarantee that it would
indefinitely remain 100% free for everyone if the owner cares to hand it
over in the interest of preserving it. I have benefited from it being there
plenty of times, its great because sometimes free objects are hard to
identify or find. Also if object designers wanted to contribute to it as
well, id be glad to make it bigger to accommodate. Not sure what size it is
or the user count. Have whoever has the authority to make that decision send
me a telegram in AW if they are interested.

Dec 4, 2005, 10:29am

that's very nice of you Bluemaxe.

i think Count Dracular was in charge or Owned the world,
i havnt seen him in AW for some time now.


if you cant bring Freebie world back to life
then maybe start your own, so cits have access to free objects again ?

Dec 4, 2005, 4:24pm

Most generous offer Bluemaxe! :) And there have been a number of offers to
assist. This is all great news. I dropped the ball on Friday due to my real
life schedule and failed to call JP before he left for the day. :( I'll
check in the morning to see if he was able to reach Drac - and yes, Count
Dracula was the founder, owner and primary supplier of goods for the world
Freebies. The OP may be a problem, unless he is willing to keep it
available as he was hosting that himself. It's good to see such a positive
response and just maybe Drac will peek in on the NG's and see that his work
WAS appreciated! We can hope :))
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Dec 4, 2005, 5:13pm

I can host the OP as well.

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Dec 4, 2005, 5:42pm

What I find distressful in all of these 'Freebie' posts is this:

Nobody has mentioned the possibility that *AWI* should host Freebies for
the community!

We, as dedicated, loyal AW COMMUNITY MEMBERS, have contributed many,
many years of paid citizenships, costly world ownerships, freely donated
objects, avatars and bots, helpful Websites, utility programs, fan
sites, newsgroups, etc ... to the success of the AW application.

AW's COMMUNITY MEMBERS (that means you and I) have also donated our
time, effort and creativity to creating worlds in AW that have cost us
thousands of dollars and hours. The worlds that we've created as a
COMMUNITY have brought new visitors to AW and, in a lot of cases, kept
those new visitors here to create new citizenships.

Without *you and I* building worlds, avatars, objects and bots that are
of interest, I suspect that AW's world list would consist of a long line
of empty, 3-d chat rooms! And, after 10 years of world building and free
object, avatar, bot and world donations, Active Worlds, Inc. has been
the sole financial beneficiary of our enthisuasm and long-standing
loyalty to their application and their vision.

Perhaps someone who has "connections" withing the Active Worlds
insider's group should approach AWI and ask if they might be willing to
host Freebies for their Loyal Community Members and Fans?

I, for one, think we are due a big freebie ... compliments of AWI. :)

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Dec 4, 2005, 5:55pm

Actually, I may be wrong, but I do believe that AWI already has a world for
Free Objects. called Objectd'. If that site and world is not maintained by
them, excuse my assumptions.

Freebies to me, is more about Nostalgia, and historical preservation, and
im not worried about the cost. Cant expect AWI to pay for everything all the
time. I may get my head bit off for it by all, but I personally think they
do quite a lot to provide the community with the tools they need to get to
where they want to be.

I recieved an Email Adress form someone and sent a message to see if the
Owner would be interested in preserving it. The person who sent me the
adress wasnt so sure it was good, so we will see.

Dec 4, 2005, 7:52pm

[View Quote] First, to answer your query: To my knowledge, Objectd' world and the
associated Web site (www.awcommunity.org/objects/) are NOT owned by AWI.
They are just another one of hundreds of Active Worlds fan Web sites and
worlds that are privately owned (and financed) by AW citizens.

Aside from the original 10-or-so, 10 YEAR OLD avatars, it is AW's
COMMUNITY MEMBERS who are donating all of the creativity, time,
knowledge, avatars, objects, textures, bots, utilities, fan sites,
newsgroup posts, game ideas (I could go on and on) that have made and
continue to make AW what it is today.

I invite you to take a close look at www.activeworlds.com.
AW's contribution is, of course, the browser and the original,
10-year-old avatar/object content. :)

ALL other links are listed as: '3rd Party Products':
"These products and tools were not developed nor are they supported by
Activeworlds. We provide these as a courtesy. Thanks to: Andras , Ima
Genius , MicroMouse Productions & Fyrene. (etc, etc)

Another page of note is the 'community' ... 'organizations' page.
This is where we see that AW is run almost exclusively by a community of
VOLUNTEERS (again, you and I).

Also, take a look at the 'community ... 'resources' page.
You'll see that all AW 'resources' offered (aside from the SDK) are,
again, resources that originated and were developed OUTSIDE of AW, Inc.
and have been offered for free by ... you guessed it ... THE COMMUNITY
MEMBERS!

Of course, they did just offer us a rebate if we've been citizens since
before 2002. That bears mentioning, I suppose. :/

Dec 4, 2005, 9:01pm

[View Quote] > First, to answer your query: To my knowledge, Objectd' world and the
> associated Web site (www.awcommunity.org/objects/) are NOT owned by AWI.

Actually, If you do a whois on that domain you will clearly see that it is
in fact registered to AWI. But i do have to admit seems less then
maintained. Mabee the people who originally maintained it for community lost
interest or fell the way of other obligations. Thats really not AWI's fault,
after all they contine to provie the resorces for it to exist.

> They are just another one of hundreds of Active Worlds fan Web sites and
> worlds that are privately owned (and financed) by AW citizens.

No debate there, plenty of people dedicate enormous efforts to keeping the
community going. But really they do it becasue they want to, and since AWI
has to pay a light bill like everyone else in business they are glad to take
the money. Dont see how thats an issue, its simply business in action.

> Aside from the original 10-or-so, 10 YEAR OLD avatars, it is AW's
> COMMUNITY MEMBERS who are donating all of the creativity, time, knowledge,
> avatars, objects, textures, bots, utilities, fan sites, newsgroup posts,
> game ideas (I could go on and on) that have made and continue to make AW
> what it is today.
>
> I invite you to take a close look at www.activeworlds.com.
> AW's contribution is, of course, the browser and the original, 10-year-old
> avatar/object content. :)

Im well aware of the content on their main website. I think the browser is
what they should focus on, Im sure that once they improve it some more they
will have some new objects lurking around. Business Management requires
budgeting, and I would think the browser becomes prioirty with that in mind.
Makes sense to me anyway.

> ALL other links are listed as: '3rd Party Products':
> "These products and tools were not developed nor are they supported by
> Activeworlds. We provide these as a courtesy. Thanks to: Andras , Ima
> Genius , MicroMouse Productions & Fyrene. (etc, etc)

Definitly, Some people give a lot of time to developing things, once again
they choose to do that, and enjoy it im sure, or somehow get paid for it.
Either way, The options are laid out, and its all about choice. Not to in
any way discount the efforts of the great people who haved dedicated so much
to it.
>
> Another page of note is the 'community' ... 'organizations' page.
> This is where we see that AW is run almost exclusively by a community of
> VOLUNTEERS (again, you and I).
>
> Also, take a look at the 'community ... 'resources' page.
> You'll see that all AW 'resources' offered (aside from the SDK) are,
> again, resources that originated and were developed OUTSIDE of AW, Inc.
> and have been offered for free by ... you guessed it ... THE COMMUNITY
> MEMBERS!
>
> Of course, they did just offer us a rebate if we've been citizens since
> before 2002. That bears mentioning, I suppose. :/
>
I in no way have any arguments over the fact that AW has a dedicated and
strong community. Its not my first day. I rarely post to these newsgroups
though.

My main point here is, instead of challenging them to react in a public
forum, or griping about what they give back to the community and insisting
its not enough, there's better and far easier ways to achieve results.

From my experience as caretaker of AWRPG, owner of several worlds and
websites, builder, citizen, and originally tourist over the past 8 or so
years, my experience has not in any way been like that. I've had nothing but
helpful, informative, and generous experience with AWI overall. I honestly
cant think of any negative experience with them personally or in any
projects I've been involved in. I can say that about all the people
representing them that I have spoken to or dealt with. You get what you
give.

There's a children's story/fable called "stone soup". Not sure if you have
heard the story, but its a simple concept, everyone in the community has a
little, and rather then grasping it thinking its not enough to share, throw
it into the pot, soon enough you have a great stew instead of 1000 hungry
mouths. To me that's all the community needs.

Getting back to what you said before about that, you can see the difference
between those that throw into the pot and those that grasp their carrots and
say "I'm not giving them up". There's a strong community already, and AWI
has put their potatoes into the pot.

I rarely hear the big contributors to community sharing the same feelings
about AWI. I'm sure we all have our quirks whether its pricing, or content,
but overall sometimes its how you get to where you want to go and not just
getting there.

Dec 5, 2005, 6:19pm

Hang in there everyone.....we're still working on it! :)
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Dec 9, 2005, 8:56pm

We know many of you are trying hard to reopen Freebies word, and we have
made several communication attempts to contact the owner, but he has yet to
respond. Without a Propdump of the world we would be unable to reactivate
it.

We will keep you posted about any new developments.

Cryonics
Activeworlds Inc.
95 Parker Street
Newburyport, MA 01950
978-499-0222
www.activeworlds.com

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Dec 10, 2005, 7:31am

alright this is my first atempt on a post in the NG's
i been talking with Mister Bluemaxe about the subject a few days ago

waiting for a this person to respond might take as long as my toenails grow
trough my shoes
yuck how gross

from what i hear this owner has been gone for a long time now
you dont realy need to wait for a propdump
eerything is downloadeble from the op anyway
why not get a few good and fast builders together and get a new layout in a
new world ?
sure it would be nice and good if he would respond to this all
but while you are waiting others are working
there is lots of designers here in aw that has free objects as well to offer
on their websites
why not contact those people and add the objects to this new world as well
you could already work on it if he still shows up you could have his
blessings and move on


"Cryonics" <cryonics at activeworlds.com> schreef in bericht
news:439a0bb0$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> We know many of you are trying hard to reopen Freebies word, and we have
> made several communication attempts to contact the owner, but he has yet
to
> respond. Without a Propdump of the world we would be unable to reactivate
> it.
>
> We will keep you posted about any new developments.
>
> Cryonics
> Activeworlds Inc.
> 95 Parker Street
> Newburyport, MA 01950
> 978-499-0222
> www.activeworlds.com
>
> Please include original text in all replies
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Dec 10, 2005, 7:51am

Indeed, very good idea. Its a good opportunity to not only let other
people showcase their free objects but also display freebies' own
objects in a categorized or managed fashion. Minus the lovey dovey stuff
and Elmo, no unnessacary crap please.

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Dec 10, 2005, 10:38am

I have made the Freebies world in SpiralMatrix tourist enabled so if anyone
is in need of stuff they can drop by and get it until you get somthing
sorted in ActiveWorlds.

Regards,

Gandalf

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Dec 10, 2005, 12:33pm

Thanks, Mike! Very kind of you :))
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Dec 10, 2005, 8:16pm

How about you just send Cryonics a propdump of the spiral matrix world?
It's the exact same thing, isn't it?

Chris

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Dec 10, 2005, 11:51pm

May still need the owners permission, don't know how all that works.

If it doesn't pan out in the next few days, I will open a new world for the
purpose of propagating free objects. However, Id like right now to appeal to
the object artists. I myself couldn't make a cube LOL.

I don't want to violate any object creators user agreements, so in the
construction and management of this world, I will only accept 100% free
objects, from the original author or an organization with the authority to
donate them. I think that's reasonable.

Other then that, I definitely can find the resources necessary financially,
and timewise, to create a continually updated site and world for this
purpose. Any author who donates to the world would also get a sign crediting
them for their donations and a link back to their own site/showcase worlds.
Decent tradeoff for everyone. We all have a great free resource for content,
and we have a place to find all the active object sellers.

Aside of that id like to keep it simple, maybe a tad of seasonal decoration
at gz or something, but frill to a minimum.

I'm not big on making a big public show out of it, so if any current object
makers are interested in advance, feel free to gram me to discuss it
further.
Obviously any free art, textures, objects, skyboxes, so on would be great.
Not just objects.

By say Wednesday if I haven't heard anything, I will get the world going and
begin to set up a site for it. So by next weekend, if I get some good
feedback we should have something in place to get started. I have a name in
mind already. But I aint tellin yet :P

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Dec 11, 2005, 12:30am

Well. I got impatient Too much sugar maybe. LOL.
So I bought a world called FreeArt. Its a P20-10 user, good enough for a
start. Ill open it up when I get some submissions, and the site setup. Ill
do it like Freebies was setup with urls to objects on the site for download.

I'm sure this idea will get a great response, and I'm glad to do my part
in it all. I'm sure it will be ready in the next week or so, or at least
under way.
Thanks to everyone that participated in this thread, and in Telegrams and
Emails for your help and support. I'm glad to be able to do something that
is beneficial to everyone.

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