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Homopobic Gatekeeper? // Communitystrike rapierJan 28, 2005, 8:50am
"Lady NightHawk" <dmurtagh27 at hotmail.com> wrote;
> I agree with Mauz, awgate is a greeting place to help newcomers learn the > program, that is the first priority of GKs imho ... secondarily is to keep > the peace and keep the convos g-rated. AWgate is g-rated because there are > often young children in there ... this is nothing new! If you need to > express yourself at another more *mature* level then go to a world that is > higher rated, that's why there are ratings. > > LNH > Ohhhhhhhh young children :O and I suppose that we hardly ever have any of these problems in AWTeen stands for what? Regardless of what you think, AWGate is the principle drop-in chat location, which you would imagine would be AW GZ - if it didnt look so absolutly crap. - MR ltbrentonJan 28, 2005, 10:02am
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------=_NextPart_000_004F_01C50531.2F349A00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Yes there are GKs from all walks of life, some even homophobic (or = gay!) > or GOREAN or whatever, but they may still be able to do properly > what they are supposed to do, which is to greet and help newcomers. Note about Goreans: See http://www.cyberwolfman.com/awtgor.htm Scary. - =3D LtBrenton =3D - [View Quote] news:41f9498a at server1.Activeworlds.com... >=20 > "Mauz" <mauz at my.activeworlds.com> wrote >=20 against the=20 rated=20 necessary. >=20 > I do believe there are 3 situations in when this is allowed by the GK=20 > guidelines, but I deleted the telegram they were in, anyone care to = post=20 > them? >=20 >=20 > Oh yes... lets eject him, and then not be responsable for our = actions... =3D\ >=20 already. >=20 > We have already seen examples of the GK's not following rules, the = sexual=20 > chosing comment is completly illegal, at least in europe. >=20 >=20 > Well of course they are going to reoffend if they are being ejected=20 > incorrectly. >=20 >=20 > They shouldent be, they are not their for their own personal = domination...=20 > Yesh the GK's have gone to pot since Skyee died. >=20 gay!) >=20 > Yet a lot of them spew completly incorrect macros in the wrong = situations.. >=20 >=20 > ------=_NextPart_000_004F_01C50531.2F349A00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2900.2180" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> Yes there are GKs from all walks = of life, some=20 even homophobic (or gay!)<BR>> or = <U><STRONG><EM>GOREAN</EM></STRONG></U> or=20 whatever, but they may still be able to do properly<BR>> what they = are=20 supposed to do, which is to greet and help newcomers.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Note about Goreans: See <A=20 href=3D"http://www.cyberwolfman.com/awtgor.htm">http://www.cyberwolfman.c= om/awtgor.htm</A></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Scary.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>- =3D LtBrenton =3D -</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>"Strike Rapier" <</FONT><A=20 href=3D"mailto:markyr at gmail.com"><FONT face=3DArial=20 size=3D2>markyr at gmail.com</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> = wrote in=20 message</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> </FONT><A=20 href=3D"news:41f9498a at server1.Activeworlds.com"><FONT face=3DArial=20 size=3D2>news:41f9498a at server1.Activeworlds.com</FONT></A><FONT = face=3DArial=20 size=3D2>...</FONT></DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> <BR>> = "Mauz"=20 <</FONT><A href=3D"mailto:mauz at my.activeworlds.com"><FONT = face=3DArial=20 size=3D2>mauz at my.activeworlds.com</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial = size=3D2>>=20 wrote<BR>> <BR>>> However, I don't think that the GK here will = be seen=20 as acting against the <BR>>> GK guidelines:<BR>>> It is not=20 appropriate to discuss sexual orientation in a strictly G rated = <BR>>>=20 world.<BR>>> GKs are allowed to eject without warning, if they = feel that=20 necessary.<BR>> <BR>> I do believe there are 3 situations in when = this is=20 allowed by the GK <BR>> guidelines, but I deleted the telegram they = were in,=20 anyone care to post <BR>> them?<BR>> <BR>>> Continuing = argument=20 after ejection can be considered harassment.<BR>> <BR>> Oh yes... = lets=20 eject him, and then not be responsable for our actions... =3D\<BR>>=20 <BR>>> GKs do not have to argue with citizens who should know the = rules=20 already.<BR>> <BR>> We have already seen examples of the GK's not=20 following rules, the sexual <BR>> chosing comment is completly = illegal, at=20 least in europe.<BR>> <BR>>> A returning offender can be = ejected for 1=20 hour or more.<BR>> <BR>> Well of course they are going to reoffend = if they=20 are being ejected <BR>> incorrectly.<BR>> <BR>>> And, GKs = are=20 largely trusted to handle things according to their own <BR>>>=20 discretion.<BR>> <BR>> They shouldent be, they are not their for = their own=20 personal domination... <BR>> Yesh the GK's have gone to pot since = Skyee=20 died.<BR>> <BR>>> Yes there are GKs from all walks of life, = some even=20 homophobic (or gay!)<BR>>> or Gorean or whatever, but they may = still be=20 able to do properly<BR>>> what they are supposed to do, which is = to greet=20 and help newcomers.<BR>> <BR>> Yet a lot of them spew completly = incorrect=20 macros in the wrong situations..<BR>> <BR>>><BR>>> --=20 <BR>>> Mauz<BR>>> </FONT><A href=3D"http://mauz.info"><FONT = face=3DArial=20 size=3D2>http://mauz.info</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=3DArial = size=3D2>>> <BR>>=20 <BR>></FONT></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_004F_01C50531.2F349A00-- strike rapierJan 28, 2005, 10:29am
Ohhhh Goreans *scared*
- MR [View Quote] Note about Goreans: See http://www.cyberwolfman.com/awtgor.htm Scary. sw chrisJan 28, 2005, 3:41pm
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------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C5052E.3F971E70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At least half of that stuff is made up, to be honest. This is a yellow = source. =20 [View Quote] Note about Goreans: See http://www.cyberwolfman.com/awtgor.htm Scary. - =3D LtBrenton =3D - [View Quote] news:41f9498a at server1.Activeworlds.com... >=20 > "Mauz" <mauz at my.activeworlds.com> wrote >=20 against the=20 rated=20 necessary. >=20 > I do believe there are 3 situations in when this is allowed by the = GK=20 > guidelines, but I deleted the telegram they were in, anyone care to = post=20 > them? >=20 >=20 > Oh yes... lets eject him, and then not be responsable for our = actions... =3D\ >=20 already. >=20 > We have already seen examples of the GK's not following rules, the = sexual=20 > chosing comment is completly illegal, at least in europe. >=20 >=20 > Well of course they are going to reoffend if they are being ejected=20 > incorrectly. >=20 own=20 >=20 > They shouldent be, they are not their for their own personal = domination...=20 > Yesh the GK's have gone to pot since Skyee died. >=20 gay!) >=20 > Yet a lot of them spew completly incorrect macros in the wrong = situations.. >=20 >=20 > ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C5052E.3F971E70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2900.2523" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#aca8ba> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>At least half of that stuff is made up, = to be=20 honest. This is a yellow source. </FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV>"LtBrenton" <<A=20 = href=3D"mailto:uaf_brenton at concsols.com">uaf_brenton at concsols.com</A>>= wrote=20 in message <A=20 = href=3D"news:41fa29bf$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com">news:41fa29bf$1 at server1= ..Activeworlds.com</A>...</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> Yes there are GKs from all walks = of life,=20 some even homophobic (or gay!)<BR>> or=20 <U><STRONG><EM>GOREAN</EM></STRONG></U> or whatever, but they may = still be=20 able to do properly<BR>> what they are supposed to do, which is to = greet=20 and help newcomers.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Note about Goreans: See <A=20 = href=3D"http://www.cyberwolfman.com/awtgor.htm">http://www.cyberwolfman.c= om/awtgor.htm</A></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Scary.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>- =3D LtBrenton =3D -</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>"Strike Rapier" <</FONT><A=20 href=3D"mailto:markyr at gmail.com"><FONT face=3DArial=20 size=3D2>markyr at gmail.com</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> = wrote in=20 message</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> </FONT><A=20 href=3D"news:41f9498a at server1.Activeworlds.com"><FONT face=3DArial=20 size=3D2>news:41f9498a at server1.Activeworlds.com</FONT></A><FONT = face=3DArial=20 size=3D2>...</FONT></DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> <BR>> = "Mauz"=20 <</FONT><A href=3D"mailto:mauz at my.activeworlds.com"><FONT = face=3DArial=20 size=3D2>mauz at my.activeworlds.com</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial = size=3D2>>=20 wrote<BR>> <BR>>> However, I don't think that the GK here = will be=20 seen as acting against the <BR>>> GK guidelines:<BR>>> It = is not=20 appropriate to discuss sexual orientation in a strictly G rated = <BR>>>=20 world.<BR>>> GKs are allowed to eject without warning, if they = feel that=20 necessary.<BR>> <BR>> I do believe there are 3 situations in = when this=20 is allowed by the GK <BR>> guidelines, but I deleted the telegram = they were=20 in, anyone care to post <BR>> them?<BR>> <BR>>> Continuing = argument after ejection can be considered harassment.<BR>> <BR>> = Oh=20 yes... lets eject him, and then not be responsable for our actions...=20 =3D\<BR>> <BR>>> GKs do not have to argue with citizens who = should know=20 the rules already.<BR>> <BR>> We have already seen examples of = the GK's=20 not following rules, the sexual <BR>> chosing comment is completly = illegal,=20 at least in europe.<BR>> <BR>>> A returning offender can be = ejected=20 for 1 hour or more.<BR>> <BR>> Well of course they are going to = reoffend=20 if they are being ejected <BR>> incorrectly.<BR>> <BR>>> = And, GKs=20 are largely trusted to handle things according to their own = <BR>>>=20 discretion.<BR>> <BR>> They shouldent be, they are not their for = their=20 own personal domination... <BR>> Yesh the GK's have gone to pot = since Skyee=20 died.<BR>> <BR>>> Yes there are GKs from all walks of life, = some even=20 homophobic (or gay!)<BR>>> or Gorean or whatever, but they may = still be=20 able to do properly<BR>>> what they are supposed to do, which is = to=20 greet and help newcomers.<BR>> <BR>> Yet a lot of them spew = completly=20 incorrect macros in the wrong situations..<BR>> = <BR>>><BR>>> --=20 <BR>>> Mauz<BR>>> </FONT><A = href=3D"http://mauz.info"><FONT=20 face=3DArial size=3D2>http://mauz.info</FONT></A><BR><FONT = face=3DArial=20 size=3D2>>> <BR>> <BR>></FONT> </BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C5052E.3F971E70-- sw chrisJan 28, 2005, 4:19pm
AW Gate is what it has always been. People value their own freedom too
highly if they think that at the expense of others they should be allowed to do whatever they wish and when they wish it in one single world, regardless of its status as the primary drop-in chat location. It has rules precisely because it is the primary chat room on this server. [View Quote] rossyboyJan 28, 2005, 5:51pm
ltbrentonJan 28, 2005, 6:52pm
Um........he said that's exactly what you guys would say.
I am TOTALLY confused here. -=LtBrenton=- [View Quote] ryanJan 28, 2005, 8:16pm
I think you would agree with me Chris that regulating morality (ex.
stating that gay behavior is wrong and not acceptable in AWGate) goes far beyond inforcing a simple "G" rating. I don't mind rules that make sense, but from the logs I've seen and from what I've witnessed, the rules (some of which don't even exist in written form) are not being applied fairly in a just manner. Ryan [View Quote] ferruccioJan 28, 2005, 11:01pm
Well, let's say he did break a rule. That means that if anyone mentions the
gender of his or her spouse, then that would be grounds for ejection as well, correct? If so, then the rule in itself proves problematic. [View Quote] ferruccioJan 28, 2005, 11:01pm
Actually he is pushing many of the theories about the Goreans too far. The
whole article is written in tabloid style. It's hyped up, warping some information to instill emotional response in the reader. (For instance, "There is slavery in Active Worlds!" though he never mentions in the "headline" that it's just roleplay slavery) Though I find the Goreans' BDSM style (though kept in relative privacy) in Active Worlds quite disreputable, I still think Cyberwolfman's views, though fun to read, to be a bit obscure, and should not be used as a source of information about the Gorean fandom. [View Quote] sweJan 29, 2005, 1:22am
i guess the rule could be stretched to mean that. yes O_O
and ya, i agree, it's just a gatekeeper being a total jackass, but of well, screw it, and move on, and no need to post ever GK arguement on the ngs. -SWE [View Quote] alaskanshadowJan 29, 2005, 3:12am
lol at "thoughtcrime". this situation reminds me of when Tart Sugar ejected
me for saying 'badass' without a warning just because it was a compound word. then ejected me again when asking "why was I ejected for saying bad***?" for 'masking a swear word'. it seems GKs can bend the rules all they want to make their shifts more conveiniant for them. hell why bother resolving the problem in a polite manner when you can just repetatively eject someone who says something you don't like? situations like this never cease to amaze me. dealing with a GK has become similar to dealing with an idiot savant. all they know how to do is eject and spam a macros. I used to never get bitched at in AWgate, but lately I can't have a logical conversation without being screamed at that DEBATES ARE NOT ALLOWED! I can't state that I'm atheist without being warned that religious conversations are prohibited-yet people can talk about god all they want there it seems so long as the context is favorable. saying you're gay, well hell I never knew that being gay was reason for eject, but saying you have a companion of the opposite gender is acceptable? get over your personal biases and petty bickering-don't bend the TOS and world rules to back up your crappy reason for ejecting someone. if you don't like what someone says in AWGate on your shift-hey there's mute. if you actually took time to learn the program before eagerly applying to be a GK to get pretty bold text, maybe you'd be able to notify other users of how to put that feature to use. you may even gain enough sense to be able to answer questions new users have like you are expected to do when you submit the application form-the day I see a GK complete their shift giving 100% correct information regarding the program is the day I drop dead from shock. the fact that AWI has let this organization sink so low is sickening to me. every time I start up activeworlds it's like waking up in nazi germany. granted there are a few GKs, but the vast majority don't know jack about the program and are as I see it, incredibly irresponsible. [View Quote] mauzJan 29, 2005, 9:51am
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That would be stretching it too far I would think.
We don't know the history between Rossyboy and this particular GK. Maybe the GK thought Rossyboy was "trying to start something again" and ejected as precaution. And some GKs are stricter than others. -- Mauz http://mauz.info ryanJan 29, 2005, 2:03pm
Nobody is an accurate predictor of whether or not someone is gonna "try
to start something again" or even if they're gonna start something up to begin with. The Bush doctrine just doesn't seem to work in AWGate... You have to let whoever mess up first THEN eject. Otherwise it's unfair. Ryan [View Quote] lady nighthawkJan 29, 2005, 3:54pm
I think Mauz was saying that we don't know the history between Rossy and
this GK. It may be this GK has experienced problems with him in the past and therefore *waiting for him to offend again* is not warranted. I'm not saying he has or hasn't ... just saying we don't know so we can't judge it. If the action of the GK was offensive to you then (particularily Rossyboy) by all means contact AWI directly and complain, that is your right. LNH -- [View Quote] ferruccioJan 30, 2005, 4:36am
It shouldn't matter what the history is. All GKs should try their best to
enforce the rules equally. Imagine the controversy it would cause if one GK was enforcing the rules differently than other GKs. Oh, I sure do wonder what would happen. [View Quote] rossyboyJan 30, 2005, 11:09am
I only posted here after waiting patiently for a reply from
gatekeepers at activeworlds.com And as far as I know, GK Data1 have no "history". [View Quote] xelagJan 30, 2005, 2:16pm
I agree with Ryan on this. Well said!
[View Quote] >Technically he did break a guideline (if you want to interpret it that >way). The way the ejects were conducted was unfair however for the >following reasons: > >1st Eject >1) No warning. A warning should virtually always be given. > >2nd Eject >1) Quote by GK: "Nope you can go after women that is normal, gay >behavior is not normal nor accepted here". Stating that "gay behavior" >is not normal is harassment and discrimination. >2) Eject was completely unwarranted. Rossyboy should have been >immediately directed to an email address or a contact where he could >take the issue. If he had pressed the issue further, then an >warning/eject would have been nescessary. > >Ryan captain mad mikeJan 30, 2005, 6:47pm
GK Data1: Nope you can go after women that is normal, gay behavior is not
normal nor accepted here Data1 seems to make it clear that discussing things related to being heterosexual is allowed... "Mauz" <mauz at my.activeworlds.com> wrote in message news:41f94196$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com... > However, I don't think that the GK here will be seen as acting against the > GK guidelines: > It is not appropriate to discuss sexual orientation in a strictly G rated > world. > GKs are allowed to eject without warning, if they feel that necessary. lady nighthawkJan 30, 2005, 7:24pm
Discussing matters of sexuality should not be allowed in awgate at all.
There are many other worlds for that kind of discusssion. Although as far as GKs go, damned if you do and damned if you don't. Some are very lax, some stricter ... you can't regulate GKs like robots ... they're all different people behind those keyboards ... all volunteering their time. Heck peeps even complain about the bots and *they* follow one set of commands (albeit according to whoever scripted them) no matter what ... even they get complained about. LNH -- [View Quote] mauzJan 30, 2005, 7:37pm
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Not sure about that either, he's one of the strictest GKs around ;)
I personally wouldn't have ejected Rossyboy for such a relatively innocent line, but GKs are allowed to use their own judgement. In fact, they are even required to eject if that is needed to maintain G rating. I don't know what ETLs' line usually is though, what kind of actions have previously warranted warnings or dismissals; just playing devil's advocate here. -- Mauz http://mauz.info strike rapierJan 31, 2005, 10:42pm
Gk Prism: Strike good luck. it will be nice to spend a lot of years til then
in here :) Strike Rapier: I am sure you will give up sooner or later Gk Prism: HI Jada Strike Rapier: by the way do the ETL's know you were one of the first people to ever give me confidential GK info o_0 Gk Prism: hi there oscar Gk Prism: Strike Rapier that is a lie and please dont spread lies. "Kristen": hi Immigration Officer: You have been ejected from awgate FYI the info I was given was about the price rises. - MR tart sugarJan 31, 2005, 11:08pm
The price rises??? Do you mean when AW raised its price from $20 to $70 per
year? GKs aren't privvy to what AWI decides. ~ TS [View Quote] strike rapierFeb 1, 2005, 8:04am
Incorrect,
The GK's and PK's were briefed on the price rise by JP and Mountain Myst several hours before it was released - I should know, I was being given live updates from 5 or 6 people. - MR [View Quote] tart sugarFeb 1, 2005, 11:27am
wow
I wasn't a GK at that time. I guess GKs would have had to know in advance so they could make appropriate corrections to their (dare I say it?) M A C R O S ~ TS : ) [View Quote] sweFeb 1, 2005, 11:42am
wow lol, that has got to be the most childish GK there is. from the 2 logs
i've read (yours and rossy's) gotta wonder, what sorta idiots do they let be GKs, seriously O_O -SWE [View Quote] king small guyFeb 1, 2005, 2:18pm
This is why i dont go to AWGate, theres a few GK that annoy me but there is
good ones out there. [View Quote] sweFeb 1, 2005, 4:57pm
ya, there are probably alot more good ones, then there are bad ones, but
it's those few bad ones that can really put you off the GKs are a whole. like having a bad experience with something, and then being put off anything similiar. -SWE [View Quote] strike rapierFeb 2, 2005, 1:03pm
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