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Nov 30, 2003, 9:35pm

Without Prejudice:

Apparently the goings on in AW are to do with SpiralMatrix, and apparently
all of A!!CT are going to wage war on SpiralMatrix.

First off:: What has any of this got to do with SpiralMatrix, this is
obviously a AW problem with someone doing what ever in the A!!CT worlds for
what ever reason and as such should be taken up with AWI directly as they
control the universe and worlds etc....

Secondly:: if it is indeed a member of the SpiralMatrix community then
please get AWI to show me proof of the matter and I will assist them in any
way I can as any good business would help another in this kind of matter.
They know how to contact me direct.

Thirdly:: If any problems are caused by anyone in SpiralMatrix rest assured
all logs from firewalls, uni server, worlds, chat logs, bot logs will be
passed on to AWI and to the local Police for further investigation and I
will be pushing for action to be taken.

Echo.

Nov 30, 2003, 9:39pm

By the way the problem in A!!CT is to do with MrBruce and Mayor Taz who
simpley got Matts help for revenge. This has nothing to do with SM and Mayor
Taz did not use SM to plan this they simpley have done this at the spure of
the moment

Nov 30, 2003, 9:40pm

So sort out ur own problems and admit bruce has gone in to a flamer stop
blindly staying on his side and blaming any possible thing u can

Dec 1, 2003, 1:47am

You want to wakeup today are you gonna be brain dead all your life.
Where did I attack your universe smart guy? You mean because I chose not to
edit a chat log and not remove your welcome to Spiral Matrix IO
announcemant?
Your posting here just proves your guilt.
But I will mention Spiral Matrix now, since you brought it into the spot
light here.
You harbor web criminals in your universe for one.
That act out against Active worlds by stealing their customers object
passwords, not just A!!CT's but all the paths related to AW.
They steal citizenships of memebers of Activeworlds.
They wipe worlds and peoples hard work, not just A!!CT, many worlds not
related to A!!CT have been wiped.
Call it on echomencer, we will both be in comfernce with Rick Noll and JP
McCormick and Law suits will apply.
You openly admit like an idiot that you harbor M A T T in your universe, a
person who has costed AW $1000.00 of dollars in lost money.
I think I can convince them that your moeny for your universe is not cost
effective, to their daily loses.
A!!CT was destroyed by illegal acts.
I personally will see to it Spiral Matrix is LEAGALLY shut down, in a court
of law.
MrBruce
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Dec 1, 2003, 1:51am

He has openly admitted that he allows M a t t in his uni. Referring back to
your landlord. The landlord can tell people he's housing illegal people, but
it's up to the GOVERNMENT to do something about it. No offense bruce, but
even I must say SM has nothing to do with A!!CT.


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Dec 1, 2003, 2:00am

Read my other post

echo

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Dec 1, 2003, 2:22am

NO im not going to play post search here, you are harboring criminals, you
are action to a lawsuite, you do not know me or what money I have and
lawyers usual dont care about that part, because when I win, they win.
This is not a threat or bluff.
Peaple in AW have bad opinions of me because they DO NOT know what I'm being
put through here but trust me my friend its sunday night, when Activeworlds
opens for business tomorrow morning, the whole story and truth will be
revealed to them!
You all can think what you want bad about me here, but if it was you and no
one as a community wanted to listen to truth and facts or if it was your
stuff. Youd think differently and stop calling me a cry baby. Because maybe
there is something to cry about.
Im leaving AW regardless, its this crap why i'm leaving!!
Trust me many more will leave. A!!CT wis destroyed, the ones who did it did
not hurt me, they hurt active worlds!
Just one last note..A!!CT world consisted of only 2% of my personal builds,
98% of the builds there were made by the public.
If you have any Heart in your sole at all, think of those 98% who just came
back to find their builds gone forever.
Dont balme me for being a terrible world owner, I try to run my world
respectfully, its jealous Pions who have to come around and start trouble
and run anti-a!!ct posts and AWNEWS articals that start trouble and people
from other worlds who come to act out acts of terroistism to discourage
others from even wanting to be in this program.
One last note, A!!CT and 12 other worlds were destroyed, I would never in my
wildest dreams, ever wish that to happen to Spiral Matrix!
Mayor Taz is a criminal, I assure you he will be banned from the AW universe
as of tomorrow. Dont harbor him, because you will be an assessory to his
crime.
MrBruce

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Dec 1, 2003, 2:27am

Maybe it doesnt, but this criminal is guilty of hacking AW related software,
which also licenses Spiral Matrix's software.
Therefore its up to aw to act and being that its their software and hes
being harbored there they can act.
This goes beyond anything to do with A!!CT.
Upto now M A T T never really did anything to A!!CT.
His crimes were against AW its self.
MrBruce
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Dec 1, 2003, 2:29am

And your point is? SM cannot be an accessory to crime...think of it this
way. This guy hangs out in a coffee shop, he pays for meals and coffee etc.
but one day he walks out across the street and shoots a guy. Is the coffee
shop an accessory? NO. Better stop screwing with SM or its owner will
probably sick lawyers on you. Horny ones at that!

-Ep0ch


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Dec 1, 2003, 2:30am

Just to save your mouse clicks:

So what you are saying basicly is because the people you claim did visit my
iniverse that its my fault and because I havent blocked them for doing no
wrong in my universe its all my fault.

The fact is, if indeed they are the same people you claim them to be and
they did do what ever has been dont in AW in a world related to you they
have never once caused any trouble in my universe and any one who would do
such a thing in it would be locked out for good and all the users in my
universe now this fact.

So perhaps you could expain to me just how am I supposed to work somthing
out that happened in another universe when I dont even own it or have any
control over it?

More to the point just how did it happen as I have never had this problem in
my universe in the few months I have been online.

Further more if I take you look on it then perhaps you should have the
entire internet shut down from the isp's to the websites they look at, the
search engines they use and what ever IM's they may use hell why not just
shut down microsoft, they must be running windows so I guess they are in
some way harbouring these people too.

Echo.

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Dec 1, 2003, 2:32am

Okay get your story straight. I did not delete anything. Also only 3 worlds
were deleted...not 12
A!!CT
A!!CTOY2
A!!CTRPG
If 12 worlds were deleted it was due to Bluelaser5000 crashing the world
server on purpose.
You were afk so you don't know what the hell you are talking about, so do
not make accusations you can't prove.

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Dec 1, 2003, 2:35am

Bruce, just sod off, its getting really fricking old. Your wrong, they're
right.

-Ep0ch


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Dec 1, 2003, 2:46am

One thing I would like to say on all of this:

I do not know you Mr Bruce, nor do you know me but you can rest assured I
will fight my corner to the last when I am in the right and the first to
admit when I am not. I am simply defending the accusations made about me by
you and the people who you permit to run your A!CT world in ActiveWorlds who
have made comments about me and my universe that are untrue.

I will also be on the phone to AWI as soon as there office is open and have
all ready emailed them on this matter. If AWI prove to me that indeed the
people that are in my universe are indeed the people that have done this in
your world in AW then they will be banned from my universe along with any
worlds that they own.

I do this for the only reason that I do not regardless of what you say or
think about me or my universe agree with the goings on in the whole sorry
mess. Or that I have been dragged into it yet is nothing to do with me at
all and that reason alone.

Perhaps a word of advice tho which you can find in the AW help files, never
give anyone your password or priv password or change your email address to
anyone else's. Simple yet effective advice I have indeed given to the world
owners in my universe non of which have ever suffered what you have.

I think perhaps rather than this being a matter of hacking that it is simply
a laps in someone's security.

Echo


Echo.
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Dec 1, 2003, 6:29am

Even if he did give out a PPW, he did it only cause Mayor Taz was once
partners or nearly second in command in A!!CT once. It's not nessicarily
the fact that he had the PPW of Bruce's it's what he did with it. I have
had a few PPW's in my time that pertained to A!!CT, but I didn't go
destroying anything.
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Dec 1, 2003, 6:31am

Ep0ch, are you that stuipd or what? I know AWI very well, in fact they know
my voice when I call there on the phone. Maybe Ep0ch, just maybe I know more
about AW and its personal then you think I do and it might just be that I
know what e n z o likes and dislikes.
Bill Hoover is a code writter for AWI Spiral Matrix is AWI software. If Bill
Hoover or e n z o does not want M A T T or you in any of their software to
hack their main AW universe, its their choice to do so.
Ep0ch you didn't use your head when you first posted here to start apart of
this NGs fude, how can I expect you to use your head now?
MrBruce
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Dec 1, 2003, 6:45am

How did they get all the passwords you were entrusted with Taz? Dont blame
Bluelaser5000, he never had my PPWs or world server passwords to access the
worlds.
Man you guys dont think before you post,all of you that were in that chat
log are here to cover up what? Come on any idiot that believes I posted an
edited chat log that size 57 Kb needs their heads examined. And the more
you guys post trying to cover it up, the more you look like what I claim you
are, liers, hackers and in general ANTI- AW, theives! And Taz this all
happened because I told you for bring to the attention of every one that the
posters IP was indeed mine.
It doesnt matter if you all know I was in fact TheTruthIsHere, M A T T and
you did your damage. Now I'm going to do mine legally.
MrBruce
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Dec 1, 2003, 6:50am

<this part of post is semi to MrBruce>
I am tired of hearing this (for lack of nicer words) crap. You're terrorist
is all in your head. If you took stronger measures to protect yourself, you
would not have any of these problems. Go ahead flame my world, my bot, me,
or what ever i don't care: I know I can not be perfect. I will not respond
in some egotistical matter that just fuels the fire like you have done for
the past 2 years. You have only lead to your own downfall. Now you are
trying to bring more down with you, and SpiralMatrix is your target.
SpiralMatrix is not the cause nor the culprit in this whole fiasco.

<this part is for whoever>
The best way to apprehend a criminal is through decisive action not make a
publicity stunt about the situation. Going into a public forum and whining
about it is not the way to solve your problem. However for people like Matt,
they want you to rant and rave about the trouble he/she may have caused.
Obviously people are very slow to learn, and it takes several repetitions in
order for you to grasp the main idea. So let me give it to you in English:
Matt is a douche. Not just any douche, but a douche with serious social and
emotional problems. I mean for christ sakes this kid almost committed
suicide over not getting rights in certain worlds; then shunned as he
started making comotion in those worlds. At about this time he has built up
a little h8 for aw. Well he gets so emotionally hurt by this that he makes
a few attacks, and then tells people to say he died. This was probably the
ingenious of the whole operation, but Matt my friend you screwed up. You
brought some more people into the game. These are liabilities. And besides
you have no real skillz, all you got is a couple programs and docs on
1337h4x0r.com. I like your statement a few days ago "I am learning Vb" (no
comment other than that). Anyways so Matt rises form the dead makes some
lame attacks figures out what he does wrong, then threatens you, and you
have been attacked by him before. You obviously did not take security
measures as a world owner to prevent his attacks from ocurring again. Dont
give me bull shit "I shouldn't have to". Fuck you its your world, your
"property", do something about it dip shit. Stop talking about the douche,
treat him as a threat but deal with it yourself on a case by case basis. If
you can not deal with him tell AWI, don't accuse a third party of being
involved when clearly there are no third parties between you and Matt. I
have never had a problem stopping Matt's "attacks" against my worlds or
servers. So I have basically told you nothing and everything, be smart fill
in the gaps and flame away because I just posted the biggest piece of ass
ever.

DM

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Dec 1, 2003, 7:04am

Echo read the chat again, M A T T clearly states you know who he is and that
you allow him there, you don't have to scrool very far down, he mentions you
by your name, so it is clear that it is you that he claims allows him there
Say what you want. You lose because you went on the defensive side once you
saw a post contained a chat log displaying Welcome to Spiral Matrix.
The post had nothing to do with you personally or Spiral Matrix until you
posted your post.
In a court of law thats admission of some type of guilt, because you
instantly jumped to defend yourself when YOU were NOT in anyway under attack
here.
The Truth Is Here was posted to show the community who the hackers are and
what they were doing and saying.
Before you go to court with me sonny boy, consult a Lawyer, because right
now your digging yourself a bigger whole with your posts and so is your
friends who are posting here to lie to the community because they got caught
in the act.
One last thing...Did MrBruce lie to the community that he was the poster and
that he was not in your universe? YES I DID. But knowing what would happen
once I posted it, I tried to hide my identity to avoid what M A T T ended up
doing to me. I was just too stupid to think before I posted the next post
because M A T T had my PC all messed up wih his attacks on it so I had no
way of changeing my IP without redialing in.
So Yes I lied, but I had to to try to protect my investments and you know
what echo, Im not stupid am I? Because he did just what I knew he would do.
And I think now everyone here (who is civialized) understands why I lied.
MrBruce
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Dec 1, 2003, 7:09am

Lets let E N Z O deside that. Hey have you all doctored up all your chat
logs so it makes us swear and lie in them and edit out all the wrong things
you guys said?
By the way an expert can tell a doctered up chat log. just a little
education for ya Ep0ch.
MrBruce
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Dec 1, 2003, 7:24am

Well excuse me but I did not say I did not know who matt was I said he had
never done anything wrong in my universe. Also noone offical from AWI has
ever provided me with written proof of anyything matt has supposedly done in
the AW universe.

the facts are, noone has hacked your world they used a password you never
changed after you upset the person you gave it to and that person you have
quite clearly stated was not matt yet I am still to see proof it was the
person u say it was.

Echo.

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Dec 1, 2003, 7:29am

: And your point is? SM cannot be an accessory to crime...think of it =
this
: way. This guy hangs out in a coffee shop, he pays for meals and coffee =
etc.
: but one day he walks out across the street and shoots a guy. Is the =
coffee
: shop an accessory? NO. Better stop screwing with SM or its owner will
: probably sick lawyers on you. Horny ones at that!

I am clearly no expert in the law. I took a course in Entertainment =
Business and Law in college, which could be good or bad... however... I =
do believe that an employee of the coffee shop could be considered an =
accessory to that crime if they had prior knowledge of the possibility =
of a crime or if they continued to serve the customer while knowing =
he/she was the shooter. (Anyone have some good links on criminal law? =
;-) So do not discard mrbruce's accusations quite so quickly. I =
believe he is basing his claim on one of those two cases. Either a =
representative of Spiral Matrix knew of the crimes beforehand or =
permitted the guilty party to continue using the SM service despite the =
knowledge of the aforementioned crimes.

You might be quick to disregard this whole matter as it pertains to a =
virtual world. Be aware that violations of end-user license agreements =
of software can be punishable by real-world criminal law. While a quick =
read through the ActiveWorlds EULA might help... I'm going to run off of =
memory and common sense: Tampering with or otherwise abusing licensed =
software to the extent of causing diminished quality of service for =
other licensees and obtaining unauthorized account access through fraud =
or theft are most likely violations of the EULA "signed" by all users of =
the ActiveWorlds technologies, whether they be through the primary AW =
universe or even Spiral Matrix. Of the parties in question, it is =
unclear to me (a reasonably informed third party of sound mind) that any =
one is guilty of the violations mentioned above. Yes, it is reported =
that citizenship accounts were stolen. Yes, worlds have been taken =
offline via DoS or other security holes. But I fail to see any evidence =
to suspect any of these parties specifically.

However, M a t t did admit to email-bombing mrbruce, among other =
targets, if the chat log posted by mrbruce can be verified. NOTE: =
mrbruce's attempts to obscure the source of the chat log do give me =
pause when accepting its validity at face value. Never the less, =
email-bombing, along with spam and other abuse of email technologies, =
may not be considered illegal as of yet (that is, pending laws =
introduced by the FTC), they are very much grounds for cancellation of =
Internet access and privilages by most ISPs.

----

(If you are skimming this post, please take the time to read this =
section.)

What is very disturbing to me is the presence of what may very well be =
tantamount to death threats. These should not be taken lightly by any =
means. Those of you who may be guilty of such a crime, take pause. =
Consider your words as powerful and as binding as the action. You can =
be assured that criminal law makes little distinction between the two. =
People are still people even if your only contact may be through an =
email or newsreader client.

----

In summary, I see a lot of people arguing. I see a lot of hate. I see =
the anti-Internet. I always felt that the Internet was about community =
with people around the world. True, it has become a great target for =
commerce and debauchery (ooh... did I spell that one right?); but at the =
heart of it remains the chat rooms, the video games and the virtual =
communities that draw together people who might never meet each other by =
other means. Let us not tear down what has brought so much good.

The most I would ask any of the parties involved in this dispute is to =
extend a hand of future friendship and nothing more. There is no reason =
that everything will be fixed in the morning or any pretending that this =
never happened, but you cannot begin to come together and resolve the =
issue if your backs are turned to each other. Forgiveness is something =
that I feel is too infrequently taught and even less often used. So, =
please, take this disagreement off of the newsgroups and apologize to =
each other in private. Take a vacation from ActiveWorlds if you feel =
you need time to heal. The rest of us will be glad to welcome you back =
to this "digital fellowship."

P.S. Hugs are optional. ;-)
P.P.S. Typos are unintentional. :-P
P.P.P.S. Moose bites can be pretty nasty.


-- Serac

Dec 1, 2003, 8:27am

*pops two aspirin*



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Dec 1, 2003, 8:44am

Thank You very much, you are an angel !! The chat text clearly shows this to
be true. You do not have to read very far down to see M A T T stating the
owner of Spirail Matrix lets him hang out there as long as he does nothing
to that universe! it was also stated by others present there.
Ehco brought this Law suit against himself by posted a rebuttle when no
where in the chat post was Spirial Matrix a party of this claim. Now Echo
opened his mouth and put his foot in it, by jumping the gun and posting I
put MrBruce on permanent ban in SM!! when I did not violate any of the rules
there. Its his universe, but his stupidity to post that post and put me on
perm eject clearly in any legal eyes shows is hes hiding the truth.
Yes, I am in contact with a Lawyer, and money? Who needs money when the
person you sue pays your attournies for you, we all know an attourney gets
their cut out of the winnings and to me its worth it!
MrBruce
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Dec 1, 2003, 8:52am

You shall find out all about M A T T real soon and how he cut your throat,
either your the lier or M A T T and a few others or, but they are members of
your universe!
Enough about this....its time for AW to get involved and being that your
using their software, your bound to their terms, ignorance is no excuse!
You read the Eula before you bought your universe right?
I hope so.
MrBruce
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Dec 1, 2003, 10:14am

Dec 1, 2003, 1:38pm

Yes but the law applies completely differant to the internet. This is
seriously like saying, If M A T T did something illegal in ActiveWorlds, and
decided to go play Warcraft III and stayed in there Bruce could sue Blizzard
for harboring criminals. That is completely wrong. You can't harbor a
criminal online. It is impossible, Ecomencher would need to go to matts
house, take him to his house to hide, and then he would be harboring a
criminal. This claim would NEVER hold up in court.

-Mod

[View Quote] I am clearly no expert in the law. I took a course in Entertainment
Business and Law in college, which could be good or bad... however... I do
believe that an employee of the coffee shop could be considered an accessory
to that crime if they had prior knowledge of the possibility of a crime or
if they continued to serve the customer while knowing he/she was the
shooter. (Anyone have some good links on criminal law? ;-) So do not
discard mrbruce's accusations quite so quickly. I believe he is basing his
claim on one of those two cases. Either a representative of Spiral Matrix
knew of the crimes beforehand or permitted the guilty party to continue
using the SM service despite the knowledge of the aforementioned crimes.

You might be quick to disregard this whole matter as it pertains to a
virtual world. Be aware that violations of end-user license agreements of
software can be punishable by real-world criminal law. While a quick read
through the ActiveWorlds EULA might help... I'm going to run off of memory
and common sense: Tampering with or otherwise abusing licensed software to
the extent of causing diminished quality of service for other licensees and
obtaining unauthorized account access through fraud or theft are most likely
violations of the EULA "signed" by all users of the ActiveWorlds
technologies, whether they be through the primary AW universe or even Spiral
Matrix. Of the parties in question, it is unclear to me (a reasonably
informed third party of sound mind) that any one is guilty of the violations
mentioned above. Yes, it is reported that citizenship accounts were stolen.
Yes, worlds have been taken offline via DoS or other security holes. But I
fail to see any evidence to suspect any of these parties specifically.

However, M a t t did admit to email-bombing mrbruce, among other targets, if
the chat log posted by mrbruce can be verified. NOTE: mrbruce's attempts to
obscure the source of the chat log do give me pause when accepting its
validity at face value. Never the less, email-bombing, along with spam and
other abuse of email technologies, may not be considered illegal as of yet
(that is, pending laws introduced by the FTC), they are very much grounds
for cancellation of Internet access and privilages by most ISPs.

----

(If you are skimming this post, please take the time to read this section.)

What is very disturbing to me is the presence of what may very well be
tantamount to death threats. These should not be taken lightly by any
means. Those of you who may be guilty of such a crime, take pause.
Consider your words as powerful and as binding as the action. You can be
assured that criminal law makes little distinction between the two. People
are still people even if your only contact may be through an email or
newsreader client.

----

In summary, I see a lot of people arguing. I see a lot of hate. I see the
anti-Internet. I always felt that the Internet was about community with
people around the world. True, it has become a great target for commerce
and debauchery (ooh... did I spell that one right?); but at the heart of it
remains the chat rooms, the video games and the virtual communities that
draw together people who might never meet each other by other means. Let us
not tear down what has brought so much good.

The most I would ask any of the parties involved in this dispute is to
extend a hand of future friendship and nothing more. There is no reason
that everything will be fixed in the morning or any pretending that this
never happened, but you cannot begin to come together and resolve the issue
if your backs are turned to each other. Forgiveness is something that I
feel is too infrequently taught and even less often used. So, please, take
this disagreement off of the newsgroups and apologize to each other in
private. Take a vacation from ActiveWorlds if you feel you need time to
heal. The rest of us will be glad to welcome you back to this "digital
fellowship."

P.S. Hugs are optional. ;-)
P.P.S. Typos are unintentional. :-P
P.P.P.S. Moose bites can be pretty nasty.


-- Serac

Dec 1, 2003, 2:48pm

The owner has very good reason to ban you from his universe, because your
sole purpose to be in that universe is to troll around. Not to mention you
defame him on several threads including this one. I would have taken
similar action to anyone in my world. If you are smart you will keep quiet;
you are as guilty as any party here. You just have horrible security and do
not keep that information which is private, private enough. Echo is your
scapegoat, and the only real target since you are too gimp to go after Matt
who has no money. So stop the hate, Echo is in no way related to this, you
have been banned because you are a lamer. See the problem with people when
they get punished is they really never see the latter side of the punishment
and why they might have been banned; they can only formulate a bias opinion
as to why they were punished. If you could look at things indifferently,
which by history is impossible for you, you might see that Echo has
absolutely nothing to do with this.

Am I defending Echo? No. Echo is simply not involved in this and it is
wrong to scapegoat anyone for something that someone else did. I simply
state the facts.

DM

P.S. The grounds in which you present your case against Echo are leagally
false. Therefore before you get to the court room the case will be
dismissed. Argue all you like, but simply put Echo is not involved in
anything that hapenned to you, or your property.

P.S.S. Class action lawsuit against Matt. Hahahaha.

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Dec 1, 2003, 3:00pm

Then ask echo why hes so fired up about sueing me? Because I posted a post
of unedited chat from his universe?
Maybe you should talk to him.
Then I will call off my lawyers. He suffered no losses, and lost no members
to his community, no have no clue what losses we have encured because of
this.
MrBruce
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Dec 1, 2003, 3:18pm

You are absolutly wrong, because you read what you wanted to read, I dont
give a damn if I m banned from his universe, the fact remains bud, he banned
me for going after my attackers who were in his universe hacking ME!!
Echo's only peeve here is that the chat txt came from his universe and hes
on the defensive side about it, if anyone sent a chat from A!!CT world
claiming sally called them a bum, I certainy would not ban that person for
using their chat txt from in my world as evidence. Thats like atatcking the
victum here Dm!
Again I did nothing wrong while i was there, it was them who was attacking
my email server with 10000 fuckyou emails.
Again for the last time for echo to ban me for that reason and not them,
shows everyone here who is the guilty party is.
So dm mercury when M A T T attacks YOUR email server with 20000 "**** you"
emails, don't go alooking because echo will ban YOU not M A T T.
MrBruce

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Dec 1, 2003, 3:25pm

I believe he just doesn't like getting brought into something he has nothing
to do with, he like you paid a lot of money, and more for his universe, and
doesn't want to be involved with the problems of AW. He loves his community,
and cares for them. When people threaten to sue him for defending his
community and himself against such posts (not from you) saying that his
universe is cracked and illegal, he gets upset. I am sure anyone would, I
know I would. I just wouldn't think too much into this and just let it go,
no need to keep these flames going, no matter how fun they are to read :D
Because no one has a lawsuit against anyone here, except MAYBE against Matt,
so just let it go :)

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