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Aug 30, 2001, 2:13pm

Well, now I can get some rest I guess. "I can't piss you off enough to see
any worthwhile reaction so I'll ignore you". Ok, you go do that Chris,
maybe someone with some intellect will respond to my post. Also, you might
learn something from their post if they do.

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Aug 30, 2001, 2:18pm

CONDITIONALS buddy, CONDITIONIONALS. "IF" is a conditional

I always want to talk privately. NOT CONDITIONAL
If I post in the NG, then I would like some intelligence. That's
conditional, why? Cause if I don't post, then you guys can be as stupid as
you want to be with each other. However, if I am posting I want some smarts
on the other end. There's that if again, hope you can understand what the
"if" is there for. It doesn't state ABSOLUTES.

Ok, there's your homework goober, learn the difference between conditionals
like if and absolutes.

Again, you have shown a lack of understanding, so I highly doubt you know
what I am addressing. When I see someone respond with some sense of ability
to discern truth from pure attacks, then I think there can be a productive
conversation here.


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Aug 30, 2001, 2:45pm

no, it's just that you truly have an F in English, and haven't got the
faintest idea on how to express yourself in writing!

KAH

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Aug 30, 2001, 3:29pm

I didn't know was here to "express" myself. I am simply stating fact:


A) worlds come with citizens
b) activeworlds has a register button for citizenship and they don't have
the teachers teach about worlds before a tourist buys a world.

c) hence, a tourist buys a citizenship, then finds out about the world, and
then ends up paying Active Worlds $20 more than they needed to when it comes
to the purchase of a world of $80.

If Activeworlds charged me $60 for a world and used the $20 I gave for the
citizenship to be applied for the citizenship that would have come with the
world, then I wouldn't be bringing this up over and over and over again.

I will continue to bring this up over and over and over again until it is
addressed. It doesn't matter how much research I do, how many people I
talk, who can flame me the worst, I will continue to post here for as long
as I can telling people about this FACT.

It's not an expression, it is a fact. Common sense would tell the citizen
to not pay a company that practices in deceptive practice like once they
find out. Active Worlds has the greater knowledge and has the LEGAL
responsibility to inform the consumer of the services with costs before they
sign up and pay consideration for services. I was only informed of their
citizenship through car salesman tactics. They put one guy out in the front
GZ to bring in people to the teaching areas, and then they have teachers on
call to sell citizenships like it was a car.

Am I to blame the person who got me to buy a citizenship? no, but I could
have been informed to buy a world with it saving me $20. At least then, a
person could have the choice to actively refuse to not buy a world knowing
the information before paying anything.

The reality is, I would have paid them $80, I would have continued to
develop a home in AW thus upgrading the worlds and giving Active Worlds
money. They lost out on me in business and respect as a company who cares
about their customers. Well, there's my rant.... (pick apart flamers, have
fun missing the reality and chew on your addiction some more)


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Aug 30, 2001, 3:53pm

There's an old saying I'd like to impart upon you: "Let the buyer
beware". What exactly does this mean? It means that the consumer should
do his/her homework before buying a product and make sure that he/she
knows what their getting into.

Now how does this apply to you? There's a website I'd also like to point
out to you: http://www.activeworlds.com/products On that page, you can
find out all the information you could ever need concerning the
purchasing of citizenships and worlds.

Now, this website didn't just pop into existence; it's been there the
whole time. What was stopping you from visiting this website and finding
out exactly what was what? I'll tell you: absolutely nothing. You claim
you got "suckered" into buying a citizenship, and now you think that
somehow you're a victim here, when to the rest of the world, all this
looks like is an excuse to complain.

Perhaps next time you'll learn to gather all the facts before you dive
into something. It's not AWC's fault that you "fell" for their supposed
"scam". Of course, if you think that AWC's practices are so fraudulent,
then why haven't you taken them to court over the matter? Because you
know, and I know, and everyone else knows that you have no case.

So I suggest that next time, you get your facts straight and maybe you
wouldn't have to complain so much...

[View Quote] > I didn't know was here to "express" myself. I am simply stating fact:
>
>
> A) worlds come with citizens
> b) activeworlds has a register button for citizenship and they don't have
> the teachers teach about worlds before a tourist buys a world.
>
> c) hence, a tourist buys a citizenship, then finds out about the world, and
> then ends up paying Active Worlds $20 more than they needed to when it comes
> to the purchase of a world of $80.
>
> If Activeworlds charged me $60 for a world and used the $20 I gave for the
> citizenship to be applied for the citizenship that would have come with the
> world, then I wouldn't be bringing this up over and over and over again.
>
> I will continue to bring this up over and over and over again until it is
> addressed. It doesn't matter how much research I do, how many people I
> talk, who can flame me the worst, I will continue to post here for as long
> as I can telling people about this FACT.
>
> It's not an expression, it is a fact. Common sense would tell the citizen
> to not pay a company that practices in deceptive practice like once they
> find out. Active Worlds has the greater knowledge and has the LEGAL
> responsibility to inform the consumer of the services with costs before they
> sign up and pay consideration for services. I was only informed of their
> citizenship through car salesman tactics. They put one guy out in the front
> GZ to bring in people to the teaching areas, and then they have teachers on
> call to sell citizenships like it was a car.
>
> Am I to blame the person who got me to buy a citizenship? no, but I could
> have been informed to buy a world with it saving me $20. At least then, a
> person could have the choice to actively refuse to not buy a world knowing
> the information before paying anything.
>
> The reality is, I would have paid them $80, I would have continued to
> develop a home in AW thus upgrading the worlds and giving Active Worlds
> money. They lost out on me in business and respect as a company who cares
> about their customers. Well, there's my rant.... (pick apart flamers, have
> fun missing the reality and chew on your addiction some more)
>
>
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Goober King
Is he as stupid as he sounds? He couldn't be...
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Aug 30, 2001, 4:53pm

so you want the whole ng to follow what YOU think
THEY SHOULD do? how old are you? 5? 4?

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Aug 30, 2001, 4:55pm

DUDE the teachers are VOLUNTEERS awschool is a
PRIVATE WORLD not an awcom world!!! GET YOUR FACTS
STRAIGHT! what? you think there should be a law
that every citizen has to exlpain EVERYTHING o
tourists when its on their WEBSITE? i dont think
so

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Aug 30, 2001, 4:57pm

haha you think YOU have intellect?

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Aug 30, 2001, 5:08pm

i betcha hes just ganna say "you dont understand
the 'premise' read up" m a r c u s give it up you
failed to do what a consumer SHOULD do- now youd
be better off the walk away from this thread. i
doubt youll be able to get out of it without being
filtered by everyone

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Aug 30, 2001, 5:31pm

actually, AWSchool is owned by the AWC and the AWSchool activities are
sponsored by them as well, but off course, they're not to be influenced by
this fact, and do not run a promotion service for the AWC. and to download
the browser you have to go into the products section, and there are lots of
link on that page to the world buying pages... long before I even thinked
about registering (waaaay back in 1999 when I first came to AW) I looked up
the world server pages and read them and stuff, which is allways smart, and
Marcus, it's entirely your fault not to check all the products before
buying...

KAH

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Aug 30, 2001, 7:36pm

[View Quote] I've been keeping up with this whole thread.
I honestly believe that you act the way you do with the sole purpose to piss
people off. It's working, and you're getting the attention you want.

My advice to you is:
GROW UP.

You are being filtered because:
1. http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame57.html
2. http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame78.html
3. http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame45.html

/killed

Aug 30, 2001, 9:29pm

TAKE IT TO EMAIL YOU TWIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SW Chris

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Aug 30, 2001, 9:32pm

This whole "premise" of marcus's just goes back to how everything has been
dumbed down across the world. Where there used to be a ledge, there is now
a ledge with a big yellow sign saying "CAUTION: DO NOT JUMP" Marcus, just
go take a flyin leap. That's what you're best at.

SW Chris

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Aug 30, 2001, 9:33pm

You're not understanding my premise. Read up.

SW Chris

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Aug 30, 2001, 11:48pm

LOL, if is a conditional. It's not what I think, it's what is.

I would love for the world to always be ABSOLUTE as I am sure many others
do, but it's not, and "we" have to live with that FACT.

Now get your facts straight then pose an accurate statement.

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Aug 30, 2001, 11:55pm

As you see I am doing my homework. I'll amplify it again, maybe your
plugged ears here will get unplugged.

I am being cautious. THAT'S WHY I AM POSTING HERE!!! I haven't bought
anything like a world yet because I DID do my homework.

Now goober, you got this far you are ready to maybe get the point I am
making that they should have informed the "tourist" at the time of
registering about also getting a world which would have saved them $20.
This is fairer to the users of AW.

I would have either knowingly chosen not to get a world, or I would have
taken that opportunity and bought a world saving money.

If Active Worlds doesn't care to help me to save money, then I don't care
about Active Worlds. I would have spent close to $200 for a world and add
on to the space. I didn't, I bought the $20 citizenship. Now I have the
choice to pay for a world which includes a second citizen I DON'T NEED!!
forget that, it's just not fair to the person who already paid for a
citizen.

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Aug 30, 2001, 11:55pm

I never said the teachers there worked for Active Worlds. Get your facts
straight.

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Aug 30, 2001, 11:58pm

Well, I am in several free services now which are not Active Worlds, also I
am in pay services which are not Active Worlds also.

They seem to get the idea. When you sell something, you provide costs
beforehand to the tourist when they are registering for what they want.
Then, they can make the decision to get a world or a citizenship.

I would have bought a world if I knew the citizenship came with the world.
That would have given them more money and saved me money in the long run.
If Active Worlds doesn't care about that, I don't care about Active Worlds.
Keep milking their product you guys.

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Aug 31, 2001, 12:01am

What are you blabbering about? That's a rhetorical question. Don't answer
it.

SW Chris

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Aug 31, 2001, 12:02am

Issues, let me just put it to you bluntly. We don't care.

--
Chris
Eagle Scout, Philosopher, Peacemaker, and... Kung Fu Master?
http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame1.html

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Aug 31, 2001, 12:06am

ok, this isn't a statement to be responded to either then. Where does this
get us?

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Aug 31, 2001, 12:19am

Then leave and quit milking us!

SW Chris

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Aug 31, 2001, 12:21am

Aaaaugh you responded!

SW Chris

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Aug 31, 2001, 1:25am

Yea I have no tolerance for name changers, I just take em off my contact
list the first time they do it.

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Aug 31, 2001, 3:36am

ok i think im starting to finally get at what
marcus is saying hes saying he did his homework
but he thinks that awcom should do a better job at
informing tourists? well they do NOT need to do
this heres why:
you ask ANY citizen and they will know
the GKs will tell you you get free cits from
worlds
tourists have to visit the home page SOMETIME and
they will see a products page and on it is
citizen pricing AND world pricing and info
so basically this info is EVERYWHERE on aw ecept
the register now button and if you dont do your
reasearch then it is YOUR FAULT and YOUR LOSS i
mean you yourself and EVERYONE here did their
research so why are you blabing on about it?

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Aug 31, 2001, 3:39am

.... on a past post you said you DID your research?
now you said you didnt im about 2 dumbass posts
away from totally filtering you

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Aug 31, 2001, 3:40am

i never said you did... since they dont its not
awcoms fault for what they teach and would you
STOP twisting my words around and nitpicking at
them so they say what YOU WANT them to say?

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Aug 31, 2001, 3:43am

nevermind didnt rea dlower lower he says he didnt
know about it... sounds like hes just saying to
crap to make people think hes right

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Aug 31, 2001, 4:52am

I do think I am right, I wouldn't be spending now 8 months trying to inform
people of this if I thought I was wrong.

I signed up in December and found out in January that worlds come with a
citizenship that I don't need. I would have paid the extra $60 for a world,
and then have established myself in the AW community, then perhaps expanded
my world giving Active Worlds more money. If Active Worlds doesn't care
about saving the citizen money, then I don't care about Active Worlds. They
could have had a sale lost out by not informing the person within the
program they programmed which has a register button which would have
informed the tourist they could also get a world which would include a
citizenship.

That's all I am asking, if I can type it a bajillion times since January, I
am sure they can type it just once for the new tourists.


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Aug 31, 2001, 4:54am

I am not milking you, if you respond, so will I.

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