Value of a cit (Community)

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the derek

Sep 1, 2001, 9:37pm
i think you are too young to understand thats
basically what he said he would do... just give it
up if you stop complaining it might not be too
late to accept the deal

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the derek

Sep 1, 2001, 9:42pm
like i said i think youre too young to understand
whats at hand they said theyd move your cit over
to the world and thus when you renewed the world
it would renew your cit. you cant expect them to
refund money youve used for 1 or 2 months already.
i think since youre so young (or acting like it
anyway) you think the world should revolve around
you and that aw is trying to cheat you out of
money

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the derek

Sep 1, 2001, 9:45pm
i guess i got so annoyed by the idiot i forgot how
long this thread got *hits his filter button* bye
m a r c u s

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the derek

Sep 1, 2001, 9:46pm
whats the differenc ebetween inaccurate and lying
lol dammit my filter hasnt worked yet but since it
hasnt i cant resists replying :P

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the derek

Sep 1, 2001, 9:47pm
lmao i think i want a refund too

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m a r c u s

Sep 2, 2001, 12:00am
I never did. Just because Flagg said something to the "entire community"
doesn't mean it is 100% accurate.

I know I never asked for a $50 discount. I paid $20, and a world costs 80.
The difference is $60. I am more than willing to pay the $60, but they
wanted $80 even after I paid for a citizenship.

If I really wanted a $50 discount then it would be because I actually bought
2 citizenships and there would have been $10 remaining I would have had to
have paid. I haven't asked for that nor did I do that. My choice in buying
2 citizenships was not because I wanted a world. So, I am not requesting
one of the citizenships to be applied.

Also, they only give one citizenship for the smallest world which I would
have bought, so I only wanted to be credited 1 citizenship. Again, that is
$20 leaving a balance of $60

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m a r c u s

Sep 2, 2001, 12:30am
Lying assumes an intent to deceive
Inaccurate just means it is NOT accurate (and therefore NOT 100% the truth).

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m a r c u s

Sep 2, 2001, 12:33am
That has nothing to do with the premise at hand. What they would do
regarding renewal is not what I am addressing. After a year of owning a
world, then I would discuss renewal. Right now, all I want is 1 world, 1
citizenship.

I paid $20, and the world costs $80 for the smallest. That leaves $60 I
would owe them.

Seems simple enough to me. I am 27 years old by the way, so I am not that
young.

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m a r c u s

Sep 2, 2001, 12:34am
What deal? The only deal I have seen is "pay $80 for a world"

I have paid $20 already, that leaves a balance owed of $60.


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nova n@n.com

Sep 2, 2001, 12:54am
holy omg i dont think ive ever seen a longer thread
um dont you all think thsi one should um well i dont know die off haha
146 total replys to it includeign this one sheesh :)
has to be a record
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the derek

Sep 2, 2001, 12:58am
ahem netscape says 160...oops 161 :o) lol

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lanezeri

Sep 2, 2001, 1:32am
KAH, there IS logic, just open your eyes to see it.

Why have a second account, you don't need, and pay $20 more? It seems
pointless to me. I'd rather only to get my world without the cit for $20
less than a world with a cit I won't use.

--

Lanezeri
Lead Bot Programmer at Stuff-X
http://aw.stuff-x.com


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sw chris

Sep 2, 2001, 4:15am
Come on KAH... :) I don't want to keep checking this thread through
December.
SW Chris

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kah

Sep 2, 2001, 10:15am
in that case, you're stupid.

KAH

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kah

Sep 2, 2001, 10:18am
AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH!!! don't you understand that those cits are ****FREE****,
they aren't included in the price, you pay exactly $0.00 for the cits, but
if the world costs $10, you pay exactly $10 (plus tax if applicable) FOR THE
WORLD **ITSELF**!! And he could've saved his 20 bucks anyway, if he had
taken Flagg's offer...

KAH

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kah

Sep 2, 2001, 10:20am
I'm a flame samurai... never give in ;-))

KAH

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agent1

Sep 2, 2001, 11:42am
This will be my last post on the issue as you are obviously too dense to understand the "premise" of AW's pricing system.

The world costs $80 and includes a GIFT citizenship. Your current citizenship (that you're using to post) cost you $20. If you want to buy a world, you pay the same price as everyone else and recieve the same gift as everyone else. Flagg said he offered to make your citizenship the one that is associated with the world and refund your money that you had already spent on the citizenship. You apparently declined and countered with an insane offer.

Since you won't even except what you're demanding, I think you should just do everyone a favor and shut up about the whole thing.

-Agent1

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lanezeri

Sep 2, 2001, 1:17pm
Never mind.. I'm changing.. this will just screw that up..

--

Lanezeri
Lead Bot Programmer at Stuff-X
http://aw.stuff-x.com

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icey

Sep 2, 2001, 1:44pm
I wouldn't know which other VR chat program is available on the net,
surely they should give you a free 3D glasses to pretend it is 2D/3D
:)~

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m a r c u s

Sep 2, 2001, 2:47pm
I am stupid because I want to pay the DIFFERENCE not the DIFFERENCE + WHAT
I ALREADY PAID again?

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m a r c u s

Sep 2, 2001, 2:49pm
I didn't refuse any offer for refund. That is not true. I will accept the
refund. That is the whole point in me bringing it up in Jan, it's the
reason I brought it up in NG earlier on, and it is why I am here now
discussing it.

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m a r c u s

Sep 2, 2001, 2:51pm
If Active Worlds is going to refund my citizenships, let's see them do it!!

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kah

Sep 2, 2001, 3:03pm
read Flagg's post first (or use YOUR MEMORY, you know, that stuff you use to
remember things)... He offered to integrate your existing cit as the world
cit, meaning it would be renewed when you renewed your world, and you'd
saved your 20 bucks at the end of the day... but because you're too stubborn
to care about anything else than your demand you obviously rejected the
offer and have lost some money, AND probably some fun...

KAH

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m a r c u s

Sep 2, 2001, 10:25pm
"He offered to integrate your existing cit as the world
cit, meaning it would be renewed when you renewed your world, and you'd
saved your 20 bucks at the end of the day"

Then he should have asked for $60 not $80, because I paid $20 already. Do
the math 80-20=60, 60 being the difference owed.

If I made a file for someone and charged them $20, and they later they came
to me weeks after asking for me to make them a website I would take the file
I made them, use that in the website and charge them $20 less that what I
would have because they already paid for that file. I would create a new
file and charge them $20. Now that is being stubborn and that is what
Active Worlds is doing. They only want money, and they won't see that I
ALREADY PAID FOR A CITIZENSHIP, I don't need 2 just like the person may not
need 2 files I make them for their site.


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m a r c u s

Sep 2, 2001, 10:26pm
CORRECTION - I would NOT HAVE created a new file and charge them $20 again.

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kah

Sep 3, 2001, 2:16pm
You still aren't getting it are you? I'll tell you some AW basics... a
citizenship ($19.95) only lasts for one (1) year, to continue to use a
citizenship, you have to renew it (another $19.95 for another year). The
free citizenships that come with worlds are renewed when the world is
renewed (no $19.95 charged). So, when you had renewed your **hypothetical**
P10 world with a 5 user limit ($10 for another year), the attached
citizenship would be renewed as well. So, if you had taken Flagg's offer to
attach your existing citizenship to your world, you wouldn't need to renew
it anymore, the renewal would be free. So, even if you didn't get your
$19.95 that you payed when you originally bought your citizenship, you would
have saved $19.95 every year. Ergo, you turned down an offer that would've
done exactly what you wanted (even more), just not immediately. Now will you
shut up? I'm tired off showing you your stupidity...

KAH

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m a r c u s

Sep 3, 2001, 2:43pm
Do you renew your driver's license for the next year 3 weeks after getting
this years license?

Now let me show you some basic math kah

Do the math(I rounded the numbers):

$80 (world with citizenship)
-$20 citizenship (already paid)
______________________________
$60 remaining balance (This is the situation NOW)

If I want to continue after the year, then I would renew. That is the point
of "renewing". You have COMPLETED one period of time, so you will then
RENEW. If I was going to pay for 2 years of one citizenship, I would have
to "RENEW", Active Worlds would have charged something like this:

$100 (world with just the citizenship for 2 years)
-$20 citizenship (already paid)
______________________________
$80 remaining balance (This is the situation I would be faced with
assuming Flagg was accurate in saying he made the offer you are presenting
back in Jan. How different is than me getting a world and a citizen at the
end of this year? It would still be $100. I just don't see how me paying
$100 upfront is going to save anything. I have only paid $20 now for this.
Looks like I saved $80 by Active Worlds not allowing me to buy a world for
$60.

I do not see an email, a NG post, nor do I see an .html page that reflects
the second scenario which doesn't really make a whole lot of sense. Why
would I want to pay 3 citizenship fees upfront(especially after having given
them $40 for 2 citizenships when I only needed 1)?

Now addressing renewal, you are 4 months early because I have til December
to "renew" anything. In January, it would have been 11 months. When you
renew something, you do it at the time period it is expiring, so I wouldn't
be looking or expecting any kind of renewal offer til around December of
2001 when I might get a notice from Active Worlds saying something like,
"Dear valued citizen (ROFL), we noticed your citizenship is about to expire,
would you like to renew your citizenship? To do so, blah blah blah"

In any event, I didn't want a renewal of something I didn't even use for a
month. That is rediculous. Do you renew your driver's license for the next
year 3 weeks after getting this years license?



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m a r c u s

Sep 3, 2001, 2:46pm
CORRECTION - Looks like I saved $80 by Active Worlds not allowing me to pay
the remaining portion ($60) which I haven't given them for a world costing
$80.

I would be more than happy to, now when is that offer going to cross the
table?

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the derek

Sep 3, 2001, 5:05pm
give it up filter him hes too stupid to get it hes
even too stupid to reply in ONE message
and marcus the 70 buck fee is a ONE TIME charge
stop saying its 80 bucks a year

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m a r c u s

Sep 3, 2001, 6:00pm
I never said it was each year. However, I have to pay it at some point.
Whether I pay it now or when Active Worlds allows me to pay $60, using $20 I
already gave them for a world is the issue.

You seem to totally miss the boat here.

"In any event, I didn't want a renewal of something I didn't even use for a
month. That is rediculous. Do you renew your driver's license for the next
year 3 weeks after getting this years license?" - I think this sums it up
pretty well


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