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Jul 6, 2002, 2:58pm

I was out worldhopping today , I decided to take a look in worlds that has
people in them. Many worlds showed one person so I went there to explore; I
like visiting worlds when owner is there, because then one can ask questions
and owners are often willing to show you around.
I went to a world named "FemaleAW" and the welcome message said " Welcome
to FemaleAW, a World where women can relax and talk about anything they
wish. Sorry, no men. " and the owner (I belive it was) said immediatly : "hi
Count Dracula, sorry men arent allowed :(" . I do not quite understand the
logic in this, I mean why add a ": (" after saying that, like beeing sorry
for the fact that men are not allowed, if the owner is sad about that, why
do not change the policy?

So now I was wondering: is it ok to discriminate people based on their sex?
(or anything else).
How long would AW let me run a world that would not allow women to enter,
before they would close it down as sexistic?
Can I make a world that say: " sorry, no balck people", "sorry, no whites",
"sorry, no gays", "sorry, no heteros" or "sorry, no Ford owners" ?
The owner did not consider her world discriminating in any way, but I bet if
I ejected her from my world because she is a women, there would be A LOT
bitching and every single feminist in AW would attack me.

Maybe men should also found chauvinist organizations to work "against" the
feminist organistations , to keep a balance.
As we all probably know feminist are not pro equality, but want women to be
"better" than men. They want to see women in so called men jobs, but by no
mean all jobs, only the high payed. Or when have you heard a feminist beeing
worried abot that there is too less women driving garbage trucks?
I am pro equality among all people, regardless sex, religion, race etc.

Count Dracula , obviously born in the wrong body to be accepted in all
worlds.

Jul 6, 2002, 3:37pm

Looks like you've hit on a gold mine as to what's wrong with our world. If
it's a good job, and men hold the majority, they'll "bitch." Otherwise if
it is a garbage truck driver, as you said, they could care less.

Reverse discrimination sucks doesn't it?

--Bowen--

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Jul 6, 2002, 4:07pm

I whole heartedly agree with you hon. It is considered sexist. I like to
think of myself as independent. I like to remain neutral on both issues. You
are correct though. If a world was designed for men only and didn't allow
women, the owner(s) would be called sexist(s). If a world was called KKK,
and it was restricted to only allowing white people, the owner(s) would be
considered prejudiced. If a world was reserved only for mosquitoes, the
butterflies would complain of bias. However, no matter what is right or
wrong morally or otherwise, (sad to say) the owner(s) have the right to who
they want in their world and who they don't. In this age of violence and
fear, the last thing any of us need is prejudice or hate or nontolerance. It
would be nice for public world owners to recognize this and disallow
segregation of any kind. If women don't want to be bothered by men, they
have thousands of acres of land throughout most of the public worlds to go
and "men-bash" or live in harmony without the hassle of dealing with
testosterone. If heteros don't want to be bothered by the gay community,
they can use the mute function. If the green people don't wanna be near the
purple people cus they have big noses they can go somewhere out in the
boonies. Nice thing about humans....we can adapt better than any other
creature on earth. (cept the cockroach) ~ ;-"D



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Jul 6, 2002, 4:12pm

Well the world is open to everyone...in RL you couldn't have a public place
be blocked off to half of the community, now could you? If the owner only
wants certain type of people, they can make the world private and invite on
a case-by-case basis...I suppose it's a matter of opinion.

- Padfoot

Jul 6, 2002, 5:29pm

There's over a thousand other words out there bud, go somewhere else then.
They bought the world, let them place whatever rules they want. It's like a
guy trying to get into the girl scouts =\

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Jul 6, 2002, 5:59pm

I think the only way you could logically restrict males from a world is if
you named it "Ladys Showers" or something.
But then there would be a ton of male "ejections"....LOL

Jul 6, 2002, 6:07pm

Yes I went to an other place, I do not care about their rules, I do not want
to go to worlds I am not welcomed to.It is a matter of principe to me; I
mean where do we draw a line who we allowed in and who not. Personally I
think worlds that want only certain persons to enter should be "red". I had
understand it if they had been having a meeting and I had disturbed, but
there was only one person except me, so I cannot understand what one person
was doing that me beeing present had disturbed.
So you mean I can make any rules for my worlds, no matter if and how
racistic they are ?

Drac
sw comit <swcomit at swcity.net> kirjoitti
viestissä:3d274526 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> There's over a thousand other words out there bud, go somewhere else then.
> They bought the world, let them place whatever rules they want. It's like
a
> guy trying to get into the girl scouts =\
>
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Jul 6, 2002, 6:10pm

First of all, this is 'sexist', not 'racist'.

An owner can eject anyone they want from their world. That is just a warning
that all men are ejected. Rather it's sexist or not I'll leave up to you to
decide but it's allowed nonetheless.

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Jul 6, 2002, 6:11pm

alphabit phalpha <alphabit at swbell.net> kirjoitti
viestissä:3d274c11 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> I think the only way you could logically restrict males from a world is if
> you named it "Ladys Showers" or something.
> But then there would be a ton of male "ejections"....LOL
>
Yes but in virtual, what difference would it make? I know in RL people feel
uncomfortable about nudity, but virtually that should not be a prblem.The
funny part was when I asked or said something like, if I log in with another
account and use a female name ,I am welcomed then? The owner said yes if
that is what you want. The point here is that on-line we are more or less
sexless or multisex capable if we want, so our sex should not be a problem.

Drac

Jul 6, 2002, 6:17pm

based on this, actors shouldn't be disallowed for acting to get a female
part in a play or movie. You would consider that sexist. Quite obviously you
need an actress to fulfill a female part in a play.

We shouldn't discriminate ugly people from being models, it's descrimination
based on looks.
We shouldn't disallow dogs from voting, it's discrimination based on
intelligence.

You see how this goes? There's TONS of descrimination in everything.

So while I agree it's discrimination, I don't object to it. It
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Jul 6, 2002, 6:31pm

Dogs voting? What the hell is that from?

--Bowen--

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Jul 6, 2002, 6:39pm

sounds idiotic, but it's discrimination nonetheless

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Jul 6, 2002, 6:49pm

Not necceraly, it would be discriminating if a dog wanted to vote but we
would not let it. As far as I know no dog has ever insisted it wants to
vote.

Drac
dion <Dion at digevo.net> kirjoitti
viestissä:3d27559c$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> sounds idiotic, but it's discrimination nonetheless
>
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Jul 6, 2002, 7:16pm

Exactly.

--Bowen--

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Jul 6, 2002, 9:34pm

I think any private world owner should have the right to make whatever crazy
rules they want, even if they unfair, "mean", or wrong, and not have the
governing forces (AWC in this case) start nit picking on what you can and
can't do. Stuff like that is how we slowly but surely loose our freedoms.
Call them jerks if you want and move on, their rules will be their own
undoing.

The only exception I can think of right now is if it classifies under X
rating and the permission to get in isn't set accordingly.

And, racistic and sexist aren't the same thing. I'm all against any racist
rules, but if a private world owner wanted to do that, then go ahead - but
they'll obviously have a good deal of negative publicity as payment for that
rule, lol. No one's forcing anyone to go to that world.

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Jul 6, 2002, 10:07pm

tsk tsk tsk

Hillarious :D

- Mark

Jul 6, 2002, 10:54pm

In a galaxy far far away, known as general.discussion, an identify
claiming to be known as "count dracula" <dracula at netsonic.fi> scribed
the following:
>So now I was wondering: is it ok to discriminate people based on their sex?
>(or anything else).
>How long would AW let me run a world that would not allow women to enter,
>before they would close it down as sexistic?
>Can I make a world that say: " sorry, no balck people", "sorry, no whites",
>"sorry, no gays", "sorry, no heteros" or "sorry, no Ford owners" ?
>The owner did not consider her world discriminating in any way, but I bet if
>I ejected her from my world because she is a women, there would be A LOT
>bitching and every single feminist in AW would attack me.

Goes the same for Goreans... My name and citnum is even on some list
which some world owners have decided to use for auto eject.


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Jul 6, 2002, 11:01pm

In a galaxy far far away, known as general.discussion, an identify
claiming to be known as "bowen" <thisguyisashimmyritzer at 7k2.4mg.com>
scribed the following:
>Looks like you've hit on a gold mine as to what's wrong with our world. If
>it's a good job, and men hold the majority, they'll "bitch." Otherwise if
>it is a garbage truck driver, as you said, they could care less.
>
>Reverse discrimination sucks doesn't it?
>
>--Bowen--

Yet there are female garbage truck drivers who enjoy their work, even
female construction workers. Also seen female body builders with huge
mussels. Ok, so you don't see a majority of them in those kinds of
jobs, but those that do it would mostly say "Hey, if a man can do it,
so can I", and they do.

All should be treated equally and paid equally no matter of sex or
race.

And don't come replying to me telling me what I would know being
Gorean and such, lmao.

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Jul 6, 2002, 11:38pm

I have NEVER seen a woman garbage truck driver.

Besides, a world owner can do whatever he/she wants.
The government is getting cautious with Afghani's, even going as far as to
deny green cards because they have a bit of a gut feeling that tells them he
COULD be a terrorist. Doesn't sound like they're treating afghani's equally.
Do you think they should?

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Jul 7, 2002, 12:15am

My brother's ex-girlfriend was a garbage driver. She was nice =)


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Jul 7, 2002, 12:32am

hehe, im sure she was rather intelligent too :-)

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Jul 7, 2002, 1:53am

In a galaxy far far away, known as general.discussion, an identify
claiming to be known as "dion" <Dion at digevo.net> scribed the
following:
>hehe, im sure she was rather intelligent too :-)

Is that a sarcastic comment implying that a garbage truck driver is
actually stupid? Some people just enjoy it, some can't find anything
better in today's society, some would do anything for money.

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Jul 7, 2002, 2:14am

Just a generalization I guess? :\ That's basically how all sexism plays
into.

--Bowen--

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Jul 7, 2002, 3:03am

well generally, if you're pretty smart you get a job that pays more.

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Jul 7, 2002, 4:38am

Waste management pays more than you think ;)

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Jul 7, 2002, 5:04am

yeh, but not a garbage truck driver :-P Driving a truck every morning isn't
exactly a tough job.

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Jul 7, 2002, 5:57am

In a galaxy far far away, known as general.discussion, an identify
claiming to be known as "dion" <Dion at digevo.net> scribed the
following:
>yeh, but not a garbage truck driver :-P Driving a truck every morning isn't
>exactly a tough job.

Still a job and paid by government here (Australia). So you are pretty
secure in that job too.

As for driving trucks, if you own your own and drive interstate (not
talking garbage truck driving) for companies, you can make a fortune;
truckies here in Australia are highly respected, specially in the
pubs, muhaha.

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Jul 7, 2002, 6:11am

The job you have and your IQ has seldom anything to do with eachother. The
highest IQ's has been mesured in mental institutions. What comes to garbage
truck drivers they are not at all badly paid here, they make about same as a
proffesor in an univerisity (my estimate). Without garbage truck drivers we
would drown in shit, so actually it is a highly important job also, yet it
is not well respected.

Drac

dion <Dion at digevo.net> kirjoitti
viestissä:3d27cbb1$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> well generally, if you're pretty smart you get a job that pays more.
>
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Jul 7, 2002, 9:48am

Well in public I believe you'd get arrested for entering the restroom of the
opposite sex :)

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Jul 7, 2002, 9:54am

There are sooooo many books and websites out there dealing with the various
periodic rises and falls of the feminist movement(s). There will always be
representations at either extremes ... and without a doubt these extremes
serve as an example of the practical balance that lies somewhere in between
.... and it also serves to demonstrate that these people have a right to
exist at the extremes ... if they weren't then we'd be denying someone who
differs in opinion (no matter how abhorrent to us) the right to speak. In my
mind as much as I hate racism, sexism, religious and political
discriminations of all kinds I believe recognition of their existance and
their small presence is essential to prevent us moving to another extreme.
As long as the majority fall under the bell curve then live and let live.

Glitter


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