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Jan 20, 2002, 12:49pm

Yes, you need to reinstall applications, that's for sure. My point was that you don't lose the data on your disk, which is a lot
worse in my opinion... all the things like save games, AW contact and teleport lists, ICQ list and received files, and downloaded
things, are annoying to all save without forgetting one :)

Fox Mc Cloud

"ananas" <vha at oct31.de> a écrit dans le message news: 3C4A7142.45E63930 at oct31.de...
Most applications need registry entries, the most
stupid thing in windows ever. So if you delete windows
you need to reinstall nearly everything.

A reformat of the C drive and having all own on a
different partition or drive is sure not more work.

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Jan 20, 2002, 3:43pm

Windows Me, not 95. Yes the browser IE5 came with the OS. I've upgrade to
IE6, hence the problem just replacing the kernal32.dll. Yes, would take
reformatting my PC to fix this.

How did this happen you may ask? I went to the MS update site, did the
'critical' update and any non-MS program gives me the kernal32.dll error.
Figures huh?

Casay
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Jan 20, 2002, 4:39pm

Just saw this thread, had to get my 20 cents in.

MS reminds me of a spoiled brat kid (maybe that's just the Bill Gates
influence). They had the PC software handed to them on a silver platter
by IBM. Most of the intelligence attributed to them is in the
marketing department, not in product development. They DID take
advantage of early stumbles by Wordperfect, Borland, and Netscape. Back
then MS products were often priced LOWER than their competitors (or
given away).

My colleagues who where MS supporters said "just wait... when MS has the
PC software market all to themselves they will lower prices even further."

Those colleagues never could explain the logic behind that belief. I
think it was just wishful thinking. All of us as consumers like to
think that the companies we depend on will "do the right thing" if we
stand by them and help make them a success. (Anybody here able to read
between the lines? eh?)

Anyway, MS is doing a great community service right now... this lawsuit
is giving Lindows great free publicity. In about a year the legal
department at MS WILL get smacked around for helping to make the Lindows
kick-off a great success.

Another example of what MS will soon be up against:

http://www.oeone.com

An all in one computer and internet device for $800. Word processor,
email, calendar all sorts of stuff all built in. Automatically keeps
itself updated with bug fixes. Does everything as well as Windows or
better...except maybe play games. But.. I think people are going to
move more and more to game consoles, either Playstation or Xbox for now,
and PCs will be left to do "data processing" as the started out doing.
For those functions Windows is at a strong disadvantage even right now.

The fun thing in the future though will be when people become aware that
they can use something like a Playstation as a full blown PC. With a
real monitor and hard drive added there won't be anything you can do
with your PC that you won't be able to do with the Playstation. Current
and most likely future operating system for the Playstation? Linux of
course. If nothing else, this trend will drive PC prices down into the
dirt. When you are paying $300 for your entire PC, how much of that
will be the cost of the operating system? Not enough to satisfy MS's
thirst that's for sure.

MS faces stiff competition on all fronts. They are (with ActivX)
slowly losing the software development war to Java based systems. They
are not likely to beat Playstation in the dedicated Games console
market, and Playstation will soon be challenging them on the home PC
market as well. CE is not making headway against Linux devices in the
embedded software arena (software that runs VCRs, DVD players etc.).
MSNBC loses money, they sold off their Expedia service, Slate is a
loser, Office is at a dead end in terms of new innovation. Dot-Net is
hardly off the ground and has had several major security faults. But,
even if it succeeds, there is a group developing a non-Microsoft version
of Dot-Net for.... Linux of course with source code openly available.
So MS will be forced to give away whatever they come up with in that area.

And finally, they are not making headway against AOL for internet
services. They have less than a forth as many users after years of
trying. The latest negotiations with AOL regarding placement of icons
on the desktop for XP REALLY pissed AOL off. Quietly AOL has increased
development efforts on Netscape 6, ICQ, and is negotiating to buy Red
Hat (the number one Linux distributor in the world!). What can this
mean except that AOL intends to offer an alternative to Windows for
their users? And probably at no extra cost. You read it here first.

AOL in fact already has much of what MS WANTS to have: content, media
outlets, eyeballs, established worldwide networks. All they are
missing is an operating system, and one presents itself to them for
practically nothing.

MS on the other hand is struggling on all those fronts. All they HAVE
is an operating system, and one that is increasingly problematic. They
are in the unenviable position of having to maintain if not increase
prices on a technology that is becoming comoditized elsewhere. (Sound
familiar?)

Oh... and don't count Apple out either. They are making a comeback.
part of their strategy was to give up trying to do ALL of the operating
systems on their own and use open source solutions. Their new OS X is
baSed on FreeBSD (a cousin of Linux). And you can transplant the user
interface to Linux, or just run Linux alone on their hardware (runs
faster than PCs at half the clock rate).

The emperor's clothes are a bit tattered to anyone who is standing up
close, or has a good set of binoculars. :)

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> Does anyone believe me that Microsoft is the essence of evil yet? The legal
> department needs a smack in the face.. maybe two for fun.
>
> --Bowen--
>
>
>

Jan 20, 2002, 5:04pm

Not really a new problem :


THE SORCERER'S APPRENTICE

Good ! The sorcerer, my old master

left me here alone today !

Now his spirits, for a change,

my own wishes shall obey !

Having memorized

what to say and do,

with my powers of will I can

do some witching, too !

Go, I say,

on your way,

do not tarry,

water carry,

let it flow abundantly,

and prepare a bath for me !

Come on now, old broom, get dressed,

these old rags will do just fine !

You're a slave in any case,

and today you will be mine !

May you have two legs,

and a head on top,

take the bucket, quick,

hurry, do not stop !

Go, I say,

on your way,

do not tarry,

water carry,

let it flow abundantly,

and prepare a bath for me !

Look, how to the bank he's running -

and now he has reached the river,

he returns, as quick as lightning,

once more water to deliver.

Look ! The tub already

is almost filled up !

And now he is filling

every bowl and cup !

Stop ! Stand still !

Heed my will !

I've enough

of the stuff !

I've forgotten - woe is me ! -

what the magic word may be.

Oh, the word to change him back

into what he was before !

Oh, he runs, and keeps on going -

Wish you'd be a broom once more !

He keeps bringing water

quickly as can be,

and a hundred rivers

he pours down on me !

No, no longer

can I let him,

I must get him

with some trick !

What a look ! - and what a face !

I'm beginning to feel sick.

O, you ugly child of Hades !

The entire house will drown !

Everywhere I look, I see

water, water, running down.

Be you damned, old broom,

why won't you obey ?

Be a stick once more,

please, I beg you, stay !

Is the end

not in sight ?

I will grab you,

hold you tight,

with my axe I'll split the brittle

old wood smartly down the middle.

Here he comes again with water !

Now I'll throw myself upon you,

and the sharpness of my axe

I will test, o spirit, on you.

Well, a perfect hit !

See how he is split !

Now there's hope for me,

and I can breathe free !

Woe is me ! Both pieces

come to life anew,

now, to do my bidding

I have servants two !

Help me, o great powers !

Please, I'm begging you !

And they're running ! Wet and wetter

get the stairs, the rooms, the hall !

What a deluge ! What a flood !

Lord and master, hear my call !

Ah, here comes the master !

I have need of Thee !

from the spirits that I called

Sir, deliver me !

'Back now, broom,

into the closet !

Be thou as thou

wert before !

Until I, the real master

call thee forth to serve once more !'


Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, Translation by Brigitte Dubiel
(from http://userweb.piasanet.com/wigger/gedicht.html)


I hope it isn't even the Erl-King


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Jan 20, 2002, 5:39pm

if playstation went into a full-blown computer i'm sure the price wouldnt
stay at $300, either that or you'll be paying more for add-ons

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Jan 20, 2002, 6:18pm

True, true. :)

SW Chris

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Jan 20, 2002, 6:23pm

Ah, if it's Windows ME, then you can go and just run the Setup program from
your CD. It'll restore Windows and Internet Explorer to its original state.
Then you just have to download the critical updates and the new browser
again. ;)

Copy the files in the Win9x folder on your CD to C:\Windows\Options\Cabs.
Restart into Safe Mode and run the Setup program from the Cabs folder. If
there is an error with Setup in Safe Mode, use a boot disk and boot into DOS
and run Setup from there.

Trust me, this works. :)

SW Chris

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Jan 20, 2002, 6:28pm

ick. Who's going to sacrifice upgradability and customization for a
standardized piece of hardware? *smacks forehead*

Nevermind. =P

SW Chris
btw... you didn't mention GameCube. :(


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Jan 20, 2002, 6:37pm

http://stud1.tuwien.ac.at/~e9325315/C64_anim.gif

Jan 20, 2002, 9:16pm

LoL.. there's already a linux available on PS2. I wish I had the link. It
was KDE on a redhat I think. You had to buy the external hard disk to run
it though.. that cost about $100.

--Bowen--

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Jan 20, 2002, 9:55pm

see told you :P

i now XboX comes with a hard drive and all that but theres no way they are
going to have it COME with an OS, and internet connection, and so on. The
basic will always be round$30 (or the currect market price at the time) with
the add-ons at a pretty high price.

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Jan 20, 2002, 10:19pm

> i now XboX comes with a hard drive and all that but theres no way they are
> going to have it COME with an OS, and internet connection, and so on. The
> basic will always be round$30 (or the currect market price at the time)
with
> the add-ons at a pretty high price.


Sure they'll make one for the Xbox of PS2 and GC make one for their systems.
But it'll be WindowsXP.. yeah just what we need. LoL GC already has one
planed in about a year or two. It has a lot of free ports on the system for
external things such as a mouse and keyboard combo, modem (dialup or
broadband.. whichever you have free), high speed serial port for a hard
drive. It'd be really neato to have Linux on GC and be able to do things
:). I could see booting up into linux, check my mail, then head off to play
Super smash brothers. :) BTW the linux on PS2 is only available in Japan
as of now.

--Bowen--

--Bowen--

Jan 21, 2002, 6:05am

I don't know about that. I mean, with computers and ISPs as ubiquitous as
they are now, who would want to check e-mail on a console that doesn't come
standard with a keyboard, where you have to buy the modem, and then read the
e-mail through the lousy screen resolution of a television? :) A cool
novelty, but who would want to buy all that stuff when they already have the
capabilities on their home PC? That might be the reason why Nintendo isn't
planning on any WebTV-like interfaces with its online network. *shrug* Oh
well.

SW Chris

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Jan 21, 2002, 10:07am

When Windows 95 (or was it '98?) was release, they interviewed
the people who were waiting in front of the shops until the
rollout began at midnight. Several of them didn't even have a
PC at home, but they believed what the advertizing told them.

Why do people who use their PC for not much more than
typewriting need more than a 386 with DOS and WordPefect
or even a commodore 128 with Protext?

Why are there successful products like pokemon, boy-/girlgroup
CDs, cellular phones, tamagotchis, just to mention a few
that are way more successful than their value can explain.

The religion is capitalism and its bible is advertizing.


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Jan 21, 2002, 2:11pm

Exactly, My Television has great resolution, it's an HDTV, so I'd like to
mess around with a console OS just to see what it's capable of. But the
keyboard and mouse together should only cost about $40, of you could buy an
adapter for your keyboard and mouse already if you wanted too. And the
internet on consoles is just what you pay for already if you have broadband,
just hook your console up to your network if you have the required stuff
allready. :)

<rant>
Who would want to downgrade to windowsXP when your windows98/95/ME/2k can
already do what it can plus more? Just so you can have a nice looking OS
with lots of flashy colors and a ram hog? (required minimum of 128,
recommended 256). The most a "normal" user uses a computer for is games,
and Windows98 is especially good for that. WindowsXP has so many bugs in it
for old games like warcraft2 and others like that that there really is no
point. If you're using it for development, ok I can live with that, but
games, e-mail, AW, and printing? Stick with 98SE for that. You'll be
better off in the long run. :)
</rant>

--Bowen--

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Jan 21, 2002, 4:25pm

"bowen" <bowen at omegauniverse.com> a écrit dans le message news: 3c4c3daf$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> Exactly, My Television has great resolution, it's an HDTV, so I'd like to
> mess around with a console OS just to see what it's capable of. But the
> keyboard and mouse together should only cost about $40, of you could buy an
> adapter for your keyboard and mouse already if you wanted too. And the
> internet on consoles is just what you pay for already if you have broadband,
> just hook your console up to your network if you have the required stuff
> allready. :)
>
> <rant>
> Who would want to downgrade to windowsXP when your windows98/95/ME/2k can
> already do what it can plus more? Just so you can have a nice looking OS
> with lots of flashy colors and a ram hog? (required minimum of 128,
> recommended 256). The most a "normal" user uses a computer for is games,
> and Windows98 is especially good for that. WindowsXP has so many bugs in it
> for old games like warcraft2 and others like that that there really is no
> point. If you're using it for development, ok I can live with that, but

I can't. Developers like clear, fast and uncluttered interfaces, with as little visual noise as possible. The best being a unix
console :P. But a good IDE is useful too.
I feel that the best OS for development are Windows 2000 and Linux, the best OS for gaming is Windows 98SE. Other tasks like e-mail,
writing, chatting... can be performed very efficiently in any of the 3...
Which is why I use the 3 of them :)
XP is a bad joke.

> games, e-mail, AW, and printing? Stick with 98SE for that. You'll be
> better off in the long run. :)
> </rant>

Fox Mc Cloud

Jan 21, 2002, 5:04pm

to
an
broadband,
can
OS
games,
in it
no
>
> I can't. Developers like clear, fast and uncluttered interfaces, with as
little visual noise as possible. The best being a unix
> console :P. But a good IDE is useful too.
> I feel that the best OS for development are Windows 2000 and Linux, the
best OS for gaming is Windows 98SE. Other tasks like e-mail,
> writing, chatting... can be performed very efficiently in any of the 3...
> Which is why I use the 3 of them :)
> XP is a bad joke.
//
Yep, but truthfully, almost no one realizes this. They're so blind by what
the media tells them that any truth to the matter would drastically destroy
their vision of reality. Just checking your e-mail or surfing the web?
Linux is perfect for this, far better then windows. Rare chance of getting
a worm in linux compared to the great chance of getting worm/virus/trojan in
windows. I guess someone's going to come here and say otherwise but that's
their problem.
//

--Bowen--

Jan 21, 2002, 6:44pm

Nobody would want to go out and replace a relatively new PC with
anything (at the moment). The market is relatively saturated at this
point. Current generation machines are as fast as any home or general
office user needs. But things wear out, and if the alternative to
taking a machine that won't boot to the repair shop is to plop down $300
for the latest game machine that also does email, web and word
processing etc... then the existing machine which is full of dust by now
is likely to sit in the corner for a while.

I used the figure $300 in my earlier post because $300 is the magic
price point for game consoles just like $600-$1000 is the range for
consumer PCs. That's the price that consumers will go out and get one
without having to make lifestyle adjustments to compensate. There is a
lot that goes into that price other than just the cost of manufacturing.
Sony is said to lose $100 a box on the PS II and MS the same amount on
the Xbox, but that doesn't mean it costs them $400 to make the things.
There are advertising and distribution costs, R&D, etc.

Corrections to earlier posts: The Playstation available in Japan now
hooks to a regular computer monitor as well as the TV. No loss in
resolution when it is used that way. You can pay $40 for a mouse and
keyboard in CompUSA if you want to, but there are also perfectly useable
optical mice for under $10 and keyboards as well.

I think we have all heard that the game box makers lose money on each
game box sold, and then make it up with profit on the games. Microsoft
has been in the catbird seat, making money when you buy your new PC, and
then making more money on add-on software, leaving it to the Dells,
Compaqs, Intels and AMDs to slug it out in the manufacturing sector with
razor thin margins.

That time is over. From here on out, if you don't MAKE something
(hardware) you won't make anything (profit). Software (particularly
operating system and general use utilities) will be free, or almost
free. Specialty software will sell... games, development tools 3D
modeling programs (hehe), and MS will be a player in those areas just as
they have been, but it will take a lot more than that to keep the MS
money machine afloat. MS is in the game box business because they think
they need to be to survive (and they do). They need to become more like
AOL/TW... diversified, and making money in several sectors. Where did
the competing operating systems come from other than MS? IBM, Sun,
Apple, DEC, all primarily HARDWARE companies. These companies can all
afford to give up their OS business though, because their core business
is hardware (and services). MS's business model is unique however.
They have built their huge war chest on two products, Office, and the
OS. The open source movement, has gradually made their position untenable.

So far, MS is in the process of diversifying, but they are only making
money in the areas where they have established monopolies (although I
think they claim that MSN and their mouse business are making some money
for them too).

Anyway... unless you have all your money in MS stock, these are things
to celebrate. prices will keep coming down, replacing your PC (or
equivalent) will be more like replacing your portable CD player than
replacing your car.

Life is good :)

[View Quote] > I don't know about that. I mean, with computers and ISPs as ubiquitous as
> they are now, who would want to check e-mail on a console that doesn't come
> standard with a keyboard, where you have to buy the modem, and then read the
> e-mail through the lousy screen resolution of a television? :) A cool
> novelty, but who would want to buy all that stuff when they already have the
> capabilities on their home PC? That might be the reason why Nintendo isn't
> planning on any WebTV-like interfaces with its online network. *shrug* Oh
> well.

Jan 21, 2002, 6:52pm

True, but with WinXP's playskool interface and little pop-up balloons
everywhere, it's easier for someone who's afraid they're going to blow up
their computer by clicking on the wrong icon to send e-mail and surf the
web. =P And IBM and Athlon and the graphics and RAM chip makers are making
tons from people who buy the latest machines with the fastest graphics cards
and the most RAM just to surf the web and send e-mail, which is what a
simple machine with an Athlon K-6, a Trident 9200 Video Card, Windows 95,
and 32 MB of RAM is perfect for, if not a bit archaic. =)

I'm tellin ya, people who take advantage of others are everywhere. And
don't get me started on college text books.

SW Chris

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Jan 21, 2002, 7:02pm

consoles? I hate consoles, you can't upgrade them, when the beam of Linuxian
Enlightenment hits the world, the NoMoreStupidConsolian Enlightenment beam
will probably hit the world too... I hope ;-))

KAH

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Jan 21, 2002, 7:30pm

> Nobody would want to go out and replace a relatively new PC with
> anything (at the moment). The market is relatively saturated at this
> point. Current generation machines are as fast as any home or general
> office user needs. But things wear out, and if the alternative to
> taking a machine that won't boot to the repair shop is to plop down $300
> for the latest game machine that also does email, web and word
> processing etc... then the existing machine which is full of dust by now
> is likely to sit in the corner for a while.
>
> I used the figure $300 in my earlier post because $300 is the magic
> price point for game consoles just like $600-$1000 is the range for
> consumer PCs. That's the price that consumers will go out and get one
> without having to make lifestyle adjustments to compensate. There is a
> lot that goes into that price other than just the cost of manufacturing.
> Sony is said to lose $100 a box on the PS II and MS the same amount on
> the Xbox, but that doesn't mean it costs them $400 to make the things.
> There are advertising and distribution costs, R&D, etc.

<rant>

Not all systems fit into those categories, you can get a relatively good PC
for $400-500 nowadays. Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo don't usually make
their games directly, they give software to companies for less then marketed
prices as long as the company pays them a percent of income on the games.
Nintendo is one of the only ones I think that actually makes their games..
have yet to see the complete Microsoft line up yet. I may be wrong.

> Corrections to earlier posts: The Playstation available in Japan now
> hooks to a regular computer monitor as well as the TV. No loss in
> resolution when it is used that way. You can pay $40 for a mouse and
> keyboard in CompUSA if you want to, but there are also perfectly useable
> optical mice for under $10 and keyboards as well.
>
> I think we have all heard that the game box makers lose money on each
> game box sold, and then make it up with profit on the games. Microsoft
> has been in the catbird seat, making money when you buy your new PC, and
> then making more money on add-on software, leaving it to the Dells,
> Compaqs, Intels and AMDs to slug it out in the manufacturing sector with
> razor thin margins.

No, they don't lose money, they make quite a bit of profits. If they lost
the money, they'd all be broke now. Not all companies make their own
games.. such as Sony.

> That time is over. From here on out, if you don't MAKE something
> (hardware) you won't make anything (profit). Software (particularly
> operating system and general use utilities) will be free, or almost
> free. Specialty software will sell... games, development tools 3D
> modeling programs (hehe), and MS will be a player in those areas just as
> they have been, but it will take a lot more than that to keep the MS
> money machine afloat. MS is in the game box business because they think
> they need to be to survive (and they do). They need to become more like
> AOL/TW... diversified, and making money in several sectors. Where did
> the competing operating systems come from other than MS? IBM, Sun,
> Apple, DEC, all primarily HARDWARE companies. These companies can all
> afford to give up their OS business though, because their core business
> is hardware (and services). MS's business model is unique however.
> They have built their huge war chest on two products, Office, and the
> OS. The open source movement, has gradually made their position
untenable.

Not from what I've seen, Microsoft fills their users full of crap and tells
them what they want to hear and gives them what they want to have. An "easy
to use" OS that doesn't make or break the system generally, that's first
off. If you don't take good care of your system it'll head towards the
crapper. That's why so many people reformat Windows computers often.

> So far, MS is in the process of diversifying, but they are only making
> money in the areas where they have established monopolies (although I
> think they claim that MSN and their mouse business are making some money
> for them too).

Monopolies are illegal, that should be fixed.

> Anyway... unless you have all your money in MS stock, these are things
> to celebrate. prices will keep coming down, replacing your PC (or
> equivalent) will be more like replacing your portable CD player than
> replacing your car.

Well, PC prices may be coming down, but Microsoft's OS prices are on the
rise. So that means if you're paying $300 less then what you payed 2 years
ago for a PC, but you're paying $300 more for that operating system, what's
the point? It's the same prices.

> Life is good :)

For now, unless you want to use XP and get the first batch of viruses that
get sent out. ;) Wait until you can't use that computer again because it
attacks flash-bios.. completely destroying your system from the inside out.
No reformatting in the world can save you from those.

</rant>

LoL

--Bowen--

Jan 21, 2002, 8:24pm

[View Quote] Uhh... if you don't maintain any computer regardless of the OS, reformatting
is often one of the only choices you have to get everything "back to
normal". Just because someone uses Windows doesn't mean they're going to
have to format their hard drive. If you stuck someone in front of a Linux
machine with a good GUI and taught them how to use the apps they need, but
didn't show them how to maintain anything, they'd probably have to reformat
eventually, too.

-Agent1

Jan 21, 2002, 8:35pm

crapper.
>
> Uhh... if you don't maintain any computer regardless of the OS,
reformatting
> is often one of the only choices you have to get everything "back to
> normal". Just because someone uses Windows doesn't mean they're going to
> have to format their hard drive. If you stuck someone in front of a Linux
> machine with a good GUI and taught them how to use the apps they need, but
> didn't show them how to maintain anything, they'd probably have to
reformat
> eventually, too.

Unix machines rarely need to be maintained on the level windows machines do.
Even if you're great at maintianing a computer system, you still need to
reformat it once in a great while. Windows is the exception, the registry
(let alone anything else) seems to get cluttered with useless garbage even
after apps are removed. "Eventually" is the key word. Once a year is more
often then once every 5 years. I reformat my windows partition almost
anually compared to the last time I reformatted my Linux partitions (besides
my recent upgrade). That's why I said "if you don't take good care of your
system." Because even if you do, it's still going to happen "eventually."
But as I said, even if you're the best at it with windows, removing apps
leaves a lot of useless garbage on your system. Now you're going to defend
your point by saying that the best users in the world are good at removing
the left over stuff and stuff in the registries. Again I'll go back to my
key point. It's -----not nearly on the same level----- as mainting a
Windows machine. Is it just me or do you like to disagree with me, then say
almost the exact same thing I did, just in different words.

--Bowen--

Jan 21, 2002, 10:31pm

Is it just me, or do you take every possible opportunity to bash anything
Microsoft? All the Linux distributions I've heard of seem to be pretty good
operating systems. You have to set up and maintain a Linux system. Same goes
for Windows. If the average Windows user knew as much about how the OS
worked as the average Linux user did their OS, then maybe more Windows
systems would be properly maintained.

-Agent1

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Jan 21, 2002, 10:44pm

> Is it just me, or do you take every possible opportunity to bash anything
> Microsoft? All the Linux distributions I've heard of seem to be pretty
good
> operating systems. You have to set up and maintain a Linux system. Same
goes
> for Windows. If the average Windows user knew as much about how the OS
> worked as the average Linux user did their OS, then maybe more Windows
> systems would be properly maintained.

Again you just basically restated what I did in different words. I didn't
bash Microsoft, I bashed their product. I do have a right to my opinion.
But just disagreeing with me then saying almost what I say is pretty stupid,
no offense. You do have to set up and maintian a Linux system yes, but it's
not on the same level as the maintainance as a windows system is. Think of
it like this; Cleaning up your "trash" in linux is as difficult as taking
the garbage to the end of the driveway for the garbage man to take up. But
in windows, cleaning up your "trash" is actually being the garbage man and
taking your garbage plus all the garbage of the places you've been too with
you to the dump.

--Bowen--

Jan 22, 2002, 12:01am

> I do have a right to my opinion.

Did I ever say you didn't?

> You do have to set up and maintian a Linux system yes, but it's not on the
same level as the maintainance
> as a windows system is. Think of it like this; Cleaning up your "trash"
in linux is as difficult as taking the
> garbage to the end of the driveway for the garbage man to take up. But in
windows, cleaning up your
> "trash" is actually being the garbage man and taking your garbage plus all
the garbage of the places you've
> been too with you to the dump.

I've been using computers for a while -- I don't need metaphors. Please
explain in detail.

-Agent1

Jan 22, 2002, 12:17am

>
> Did I ever say you didn't?

You asked me why I "always" bash Microsoft, I said I didn't, I bashed their
products. That's my opinion and even if I were bashing Microsoft, that's
still my opinion. What difference does it make to you? Even most of the
time I don't bash them all. MSVC++, XP, and Xbox are the ones I bash 99.9%
of the time.

the
> same level as the maintainance
"trash"
> in linux is as difficult as taking the
in
> windows, cleaning up your
all
> the garbage of the places you've
>
> I've been using computers for a while -- I don't need metaphors. Please
> explain in detail.

Ok, let me tell it again. In windows, to remove a application, you must run
the uninstaller. Most of the time it'll say "Uninstall could not complete"
or something to that effect. Then you must go into where that application
was and manually delete those left over files. Then if you're smart, you
remove registry entries by that application. Even then you might not get it
all.

*nix: Most of the times all you need to do is delete the folder in which
the application is located. Some of them, which have been integrated by
RPM, can be removed by going into your package and going to that programs
entry and clicking on uninstall.

Again these are just the usuals of the two OS. I'm surpised you couldn't
understand my analogy, it was pretty straight forward.

--Bowen--

Jan 22, 2002, 4:21am

Take it to e-mail.

SW Chris

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Jan 22, 2002, 4:22am

LoL :) it's in general discussion, you don't need to read it.

--Bowen--

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Jan 22, 2002, 4:24am

There's still protocol to be followed. General Discussion, not Private
Discussion. :)

SW Chris

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