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Lindows.Com: Target #1 for Microsoft. Help them out! :) (General Discussion)
Lindows.Com: Target #1 for Microsoft. Help them out! :) // General Discussion
Jan 22, 2002, 4:40am
Nah, just basically whatever goes, as long as it's not crap like "F you you
F'ing b*tch"
--Bowen--
[View Quote]"sw chris" <chris at skywalkeronline.net> wrote in message
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> There's still protocol to be followed. General Discussion, not Private
> Discussion. :)
>
> SW Chris
>
> "bowen" <bowen at omegauniverse.com> wrote in message
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Jan 22, 2002, 12:22pm
That's more because of a crappy uninstall than Windows. If it was done
properly, you wouldn't have to manually delete files after using that Remove
Program thing. Another reason uninstalls sometimes "fail" is because files
get created after install, so the uninstall script doesn't know about them.
-Agent1
[View Quote]"bowen" <bowen at omegauniverse.com> wrote in message
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>
> Ok, let me tell it again. In windows, to remove a application, you must
run
> the uninstaller. Most of the time it'll say "Uninstall could not
complete"
> or something to that effect. Then you must go into where that application
> was and manually delete those left over files. Then if you're smart, you
> remove registry entries by that application. Even then you might not get
it
> all.
>
> *nix: Most of the times all you need to do is delete the folder in which
> the application is located. Some of them, which have been integrated by
> RPM, can be removed by going into your package and going to that programs
> entry and clicking on uninstall.
>
> Again these are just the usuals of the two OS. I'm surpised you couldn't
> understand my analogy, it was pretty straight forward.
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Jan 22, 2002, 1:25pm
> That's more because of a crappy uninstall than Windows. If it was done
> properly, you wouldn't have to manually delete files after using that
Remove
> Program thing. Another reason uninstalls sometimes "fail" is because files
> get created after install, so the uninstall script doesn't know about
them.
It can easily be fixed, just remove the directory if there's new files
there. The point is, is that that crappy uninstal is part of windows. You
can't do it any other way, if you try to manually delete some of the stuff
first you may cause a bunch of errors other places.
--Bowen--
Feb 4, 2002, 9:47pm
I know this is a little late.. but...
>Quietly AOL...is negotiating to buy Red
> Hat (the number one Linux distributor in the world!). What can this
> mean except that AOL intends to offer an alternative to Windows for
> their users? And probably at no extra cost. You read it here first.
*hacks away at his linux machine*
Ahh, there.. no more Red Hat.. Sorry, can't use that anymore.
Why doesn't AOL just grab the source and make their own version? All they'd
have to do is change the Red Hat logos and recompile.
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Jeremy Booker
JTech Web Systems
(www.JTechWebSystems.com -- Coming Soon)
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[View Quote]"macb" <macb at yahoo.com> wrote in message news:3C4B0C3B.8090609 at yahoo.com...
> Just saw this thread, had to get my 20 cents in.
>
> MS reminds me of a spoiled brat kid (maybe that's just the Bill Gates
> influence). They had the PC software handed to them on a silver platter
> by IBM. Most of the intelligence attributed to them is in the
> marketing department, not in product development. They DID take
> advantage of early stumbles by Wordperfect, Borland, and Netscape. Back
> then MS products were often priced LOWER than their competitors (or
> given away).
>
> My colleagues who where MS supporters said "just wait... when MS has the
> PC software market all to themselves they will lower prices even further."
>
> Those colleagues never could explain the logic behind that belief. I
> think it was just wishful thinking. All of us as consumers like to
> think that the companies we depend on will "do the right thing" if we
> stand by them and help make them a success. (Anybody here able to read
> between the lines? eh?)
>
> Anyway, MS is doing a great community service right now... this lawsuit
> is giving Lindows great free publicity. In about a year the legal
> department at MS WILL get smacked around for helping to make the Lindows
> kick-off a great success.
>
> Another example of what MS will soon be up against:
>
> http://www.oeone.com
>
> An all in one computer and internet device for $800. Word processor,
> email, calendar all sorts of stuff all built in. Automatically keeps
> itself updated with bug fixes. Does everything as well as Windows or
> better...except maybe play games. But.. I think people are going to
> move more and more to game consoles, either Playstation or Xbox for now,
> and PCs will be left to do "data processing" as the started out doing.
> For those functions Windows is at a strong disadvantage even right now.
>
> The fun thing in the future though will be when people become aware that
> they can use something like a Playstation as a full blown PC. With a
> real monitor and hard drive added there won't be anything you can do
> with your PC that you won't be able to do with the Playstation. Current
> and most likely future operating system for the Playstation? Linux of
> course. If nothing else, this trend will drive PC prices down into the
> dirt. When you are paying $300 for your entire PC, how much of that
> will be the cost of the operating system? Not enough to satisfy MS's
> thirst that's for sure.
>
> MS faces stiff competition on all fronts. They are (with ActivX)
> slowly losing the software development war to Java based systems. They
> are not likely to beat Playstation in the dedicated Games console
> market, and Playstation will soon be challenging them on the home PC
> market as well. CE is not making headway against Linux devices in the
> embedded software arena (software that runs VCRs, DVD players etc.).
> MSNBC loses money, they sold off their Expedia service, Slate is a
> loser, Office is at a dead end in terms of new innovation. Dot-Net is
> hardly off the ground and has had several major security faults. But,
> even if it succeeds, there is a group developing a non-Microsoft version
> of Dot-Net for.... Linux of course with source code openly available.
> So MS will be forced to give away whatever they come up with in that area.
>
> And finally, they are not making headway against AOL for internet
> services. They have less than a forth as many users after years of
> trying. The latest negotiations with AOL regarding placement of icons
> on the desktop for XP REALLY pissed AOL off. Quietly AOL has increased
> development efforts on Netscape 6, ICQ, and is negotiating to buy Red
> Hat (the number one Linux distributor in the world!). What can this
> mean except that AOL intends to offer an alternative to Windows for
> their users? And probably at no extra cost. You read it here first.
>
> AOL in fact already has much of what MS WANTS to have: content, media
> outlets, eyeballs, established worldwide networks. All they are
> missing is an operating system, and one presents itself to them for
> practically nothing.
>
> MS on the other hand is struggling on all those fronts. All they HAVE
> is an operating system, and one that is increasingly problematic. They
> are in the unenviable position of having to maintain if not increase
> prices on a technology that is becoming comoditized elsewhere. (Sound
> familiar?)
>
> Oh... and don't count Apple out either. They are making a comeback.
> part of their strategy was to give up trying to do ALL of the operating
> systems on their own and use open source solutions. Their new OS X is
> baSed on FreeBSD (a cousin of Linux). And you can transplant the user
> interface to Linux, or just run Linux alone on their hardware (runs
> faster than PCs at half the clock rate).
>
> The emperor's clothes are a bit tattered to anyone who is standing up
> close, or has a good set of binoculars. :)
>
> bowen wrote:
>
contribute.
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Feb 5, 2002, 1:53am
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> I know this is a little late.. but...
>
>
>
> *hacks away at his linux machine*
>
> Ahh, there.. no more Red Hat.. Sorry, can't use that anymore.
>
> Why doesn't AOL just grab the source and make their own version? All they'd
> have to do is change the Red Hat logos and recompile.
>
At the moment both sides are denying that there is a buy-out in
progress, and maybe there isn't.
The reason why AOL might want to buy Red Hat is that Red Hat is actually
a profit making company, which, for those of you who have never heard of
such a thing, means that they ACTUALLY make more money than they spend.
They have existing deals with IBM and a few other big companies to
support specialized version of Linux. I read today where Linux is now
at 4.5 million lines of code. I suspect that the number of people who
are even generally familiar with how that code operates is fairly small.
So, buying Red Hat would give them an instant development team. (With
the exception of a couple who have said they would quit if such a deal
took place).
I think my point is still valid though... since the breakdown in
negotiations with Microsoft last year AOL has done a number of things to
prepare for head to head combat with Microsoft if necessary.
I'm no big hater of Microsoft (I just don't like their attitude), and
I'm no big fan of AOL, but anything that keeps Microsoft from exploiting
their monopoly position at this point is good for technology, and good
for end users.
Feb 5, 2002, 2:00am
> At the moment both sides are denying that there is a buy-out in
> progress, and maybe there isn't.
>
> The reason why AOL might want to buy Red Hat is that Red Hat is actually
> a profit making company, which, for those of you who have never heard of
> such a thing, means that they ACTUALLY make more money than they spend.
>
> They have existing deals with IBM and a few other big companies to
> support specialized version of Linux. I read today where Linux is now
> at 4.5 million lines of code. I suspect that the number of people who
> are even generally familiar with how that code operates is fairly small.
>
> So, buying Red Hat would give them an instant development team. (With
> the exception of a couple who have said they would quit if such a deal
> took place).
>
> I think my point is still valid though... since the breakdown in
> negotiations with Microsoft last year AOL has done a number of things to
> prepare for head to head combat with Microsoft if necessary.
>
> I'm no big hater of Microsoft (I just don't like their attitude), and
> I'm no big fan of AOL, but anything that keeps Microsoft from exploiting
> their monopoly position at this point is good for technology, and good
> for end users.
Nicely said :)
--Bowen--
Feb 5, 2002, 2:11am
A long time ago, I was tired of being put in the middle to choose one over
the other. I like all the OS's out there. Time to share your sandbox,
guys. There's only one - your customers.
Oh heck with it, what do I know. Back to the BittyBat Cave. : X
[View Quote]macb <Z at X.Y> wrote in message news:3C5F54EE.7050309 at X.Y...
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>
> jerme wrote:
>
they'd
>
> At the moment both sides are denying that there is a buy-out in
> progress, and maybe there isn't.
>
> The reason why AOL might want to buy Red Hat is that Red Hat is actually
> a profit making company, which, for those of you who have never heard of
> such a thing, means that they ACTUALLY make more money than they spend.
>
> They have existing deals with IBM and a few other big companies to
> support specialized version of Linux. I read today where Linux is now
> at 4.5 million lines of code. I suspect that the number of people who
> are even generally familiar with how that code operates is fairly small.
>
> So, buying Red Hat would give them an instant development team. (With
> the exception of a couple who have said they would quit if such a deal
> took place).
>
> I think my point is still valid though... since the breakdown in
> negotiations with Microsoft last year AOL has done a number of things to
> prepare for head to head combat with Microsoft if necessary.
>
> I'm no big hater of Microsoft (I just don't like their attitude), and
> I'm no big fan of AOL, but anything that keeps Microsoft from exploiting
> their monopoly position at this point is good for technology, and good
> for end users.
>
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Feb 5, 2002, 11:21pm
yes.. and they will include aol with all their operating systems, just like
microsoft included internet explorer.. and got sued..
[View Quote]"jerme" <JerMe at nc.rr.com> wrote in message
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> I know this is a little late.. but...
>
>
> *hacks away at his linux machine*
>
> Ahh, there.. no more Red Hat.. Sorry, can't use that anymore.
>
> Why doesn't AOL just grab the source and make their own version? All
they'd
> have to do is change the Red Hat logos and recompile.
>
>
> --
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Jeremy Booker
> JTech Web Systems
> (www.JTechWebSystems.com -- Coming Soon)
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> "macb" <macb at yahoo.com> wrote in message
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area.
> contribute.
> legal
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