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Jan 15, 2002, 3:06am

Go here and read up on why they need help and see if you can't contribute.
It's a short read, so please click on it. Thanks!

http://www.lindows.com/lindows_michaelsminutes.php

SW Chris

Jan 15, 2002, 6:04pm

> Go here and read up on why they need help and see if you can't contribute.
> It's a short read, so please click on it. Thanks!
>
> http://www.lindows.com/lindows_michaelsminutes.php

Does anyone believe me that Microsoft is the essence of evil yet? The legal
department needs a smack in the face.. maybe two for fun.

--Bowen--

Jan 15, 2002, 7:18pm

LOL! MS have gone crazy, they can't go around sueing people for using the
word "windows", especially not a word that does not even contain "window" in
it, who do they think they are? I think the US government should boycott
them and their products, and tell them to stuff their stupid law suits!

KAH

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Jan 15, 2002, 7:25pm

> LOL! MS have gone crazy, they can't go around sueing people for using the
> word "windows", especially not a word that does not even contain "window"
in
> it, who do they think they are? I think the US government should boycott
> them and their products, and tell them to stuff their stupid law suits!

MS is peeing their pants from what I see. They can't compete with a product
the runs both windows and linux software! Especially when it's half the
price. I like their screenshots, nice KDE feel to it while still keeping
that usability approach. Maybe they should change their company name to
"Window" and sue Microsoft for using Window in their product Windows :). I
can't believe a court system is letting this ride. Windows is an English
word, let me copyright Wind and sue them for using it. You just can't do
that.

--Bowen--

Jan 16, 2002, 2:53am

The french web-page hoster www.ifrance.com actually sued www.IPfrance.net because the names were too near... damn... do they think
they've copyrighted the word France???

Fox Mc Cloud

"bowen" <bowen at omegauniverse.com> a écrit dans le message news: 3c449e35 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> in
>
> MS is peeing their pants from what I see. They can't compete with a product
> the runs both windows and linux software! Especially when it's half the
> price. I like their screenshots, nice KDE feel to it while still keeping
> that usability approach. Maybe they should change their company name to
> "Window" and sue Microsoft for using Window in their product Windows :). I
> can't believe a court system is letting this ride. Windows is an English
> word, let me copyright Wind and sue them for using it. You just can't do
> that.
>
> --Bowen--

Jan 16, 2002, 2:26pm

lol, maybe they went to Bill's School To Getting Rich By P!ssing Everyone
Off ;-))

KAH

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Jan 16, 2002, 3:14pm

Ahhhh, it feels good to live in libya, where no one bothers to copyright
anything so they cant sue :) But ofcourse, i can always be the first,and go
around copyrighting names for companies,then selling them the right to use
there own name or sue em! just tring to make money :)

SWE
hey, im only 15 :)
www.emptyco.com

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Jan 16, 2002, 9:27pm

Actually, it hasn't reached court yet. That happens Feb. 1st. Pray and
hope for Lindows. :)

SW Chris

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Jan 17, 2002, 10:12am

Maybe not, Kah, but what could be even worse is if Microsoft sues for the "Look
and Feel" of Lindows. If you remember, Apple sued Billy Boy for that exact
same thing. And the only thing that got Microsoft out of that lawsuit was by
investing a big bunch of money into Apple Inc. From the "look" of the offered
screenshots on Lindows site, it would 'appear' that Microsoft would have such a
case. (heaven forbid).

Just an observation.

Holistic1

[View Quote] > LOL! MS have gone crazy, they can't go around sueing people for using the
> word "windows", especially not a word that does not even contain "window" in
> it, who do they think they are? I think the US government should boycott
> them and their products, and tell them to stuff their stupid law suits!
>
> KAH
>
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Jan 17, 2002, 3:06pm

Yes, but he precedent is on Lindows side in that case. :)

SW Chris

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Jan 17, 2002, 5:59pm

hmmm... If it's not directly copying a copyrighted design, how can they have
a case? it has much more of a KDE feel to it from what I can see off those
screenshots... What a typical American lawsuit, I think someone should go
through US laws and do something about the laws that let crazy companies
like MS do that kind of crap, because this sort of stuff doesn't seem to
happen elsewhere (no offence meant...), and it's pretty darn stupid.

KAH

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Jan 17, 2002, 8:15pm

Well KAH, they aren't suing because it looks like Windows. They're sueing
because Microsoft "says" that consumers will confuse Windows and Lindows
products. It's a stretch, considering most people aren't that stupid, most
people buy systems that have Windows preinstalled on them, most people won't
ever hear of Lindows in the first place, and no people will see it on store
shelves. You can only buy it online.

SW Chris
p.s. You're right about most American lawsuits that make the news. :)
Remember McDonalds vs. that dinky gourmet muffin store that had "McMuffin"
in its name?

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Jan 17, 2002, 8:26pm

> Well KAH, they aren't suing because it looks like Windows. They're sueing
> because Microsoft "says" that consumers will confuse Windows and Lindows
> products. It's a stretch, considering most people aren't that stupid,
most
> people buy systems that have Windows preinstalled on them, most people
won't
> ever hear of Lindows in the first place, and no people will see it on
store
> shelves. You can only buy it online.

That's a stretch. I can find most linuxes at my local computer stores.
Just none of those abstract 3rd party versions. Most likely Lindows will be
a great success and will soon be available at your local computer stores.
The guy who's making it was the founder of mp3.com, he's great at marketing
:). I'll support him, hell he's got a multi-million dollar product here,
and Microsoft knows it :).

--Bowen--

Jan 17, 2002, 9:51pm

From what I've heard, it's just a Linux ditribution with a pretty version of
something like WINE... Nothing special. I know I won't pay their $100 fee
just to be an "insider".

-Agent1

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Jan 17, 2002, 9:58pm

> From what I've heard, it's just a Linux ditribution with a pretty version
of
> something like WINE... Nothing special. I know I won't pay their $100 fee
> just to be an "insider".

Well it's precompiled in the OS. Which means it has better support and it's
more usable then WINE itself is. Might even be better DX compatible then
WINE is right now. Who knows.

--Bowen--

Jan 18, 2002, 2:24am

Well, Agent, if you don't want it, that's fine. But you don't need to put
it down. The reason I'm getting this OS is that it promises full Windows
support in the next few versions. Right now they got the XP versions of MS
Office to work, and hopefully they'll have full DirectX support in there by
the 1.0 launch. I'm not paying for "insider" information, I'm paying for
something to run my 3D games and Windows programs on that doesn't cost $120
to upgrade every time a new version comes out. Linux? Probably half of
those buying Lindows could care less. It's not Microsoft, yet runs programs
made for Windows, and that's its big selling point. :)

Bit of clarification: The CEO himself said it would only be available
online (I think I remember that correctly, from his most recent letter). I
might be wrong though.

SW Chris

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Jan 18, 2002, 10:58am

if it's Linux, he can't charge for the OS itself, but only for the stuff
that comes with it, so there usually is a download version available for
Linux distributions :-))

KAH

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Jan 18, 2002, 12:41pm

Replies inline:

[View Quote] When did I put it down? I just said that it's not really anything special.

> I'm not paying for "insider" information, I'm paying for something to run
my 3D games and Windows programs on that >doesn't cost $120 to upgrade every
time a new version comes out.

Their site mentions that if you want to beta test or have "insider"
information, you have to pay $100...

> Linux? Probably half of those buying Lindows could care less. It's not
Microsoft, yet runs programs made for Windows, >and that's its big selling
point. :)

Maybe if you don't like Microsoft but can't live without programs written
for their OS :)

-Agent1

Jan 18, 2002, 2:40pm

"kah" <kah at kahnews.cjb.net> a écrit dans le message news: 3c481bfc$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> if it's Linux, he can't charge for the OS itself, but only for the stuff
> that comes with it, so there usually is a download version available for
> Linux distributions :-))

Actually anyone can charge for the OS, free software just means that the source must be distributed with the program... The problem
(aside from ethics) is that no one would buy it of course, but not a legal one :)

Fox Mc Cloud

Jan 18, 2002, 10:42pm

If they really loose this, they should rename
to LinGates. Might make someone very mad, but
I guess he cannot do something against it *g

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Jan 19, 2002, 2:14am

> Their site mentions that if you want to beta test or have "insider"
> information, you have to pay $100...

Right. I also thought that price also included the Operating System when it
does launch. I'm not paying for "insider information" either. ;) Not till
they actually start beta testing. With Microsoft after them, a beta might
be all they're going to get finished. :(

Jan 19, 2002, 5:11am

Actually, Microsoft claims that they own the rights to any name that has
the "indows" type wording in it. *shrugs* That's what Pat and Leo said .
;-P
--
- Syntax -
http://swcity.net

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Jan 19, 2002, 10:45pm

<start rant>
Yes, US Court system has really screwed up over the recent MS lawsuit. I
always thought the origional charge was that they were making computer
makers install MS software, show it on the desktop and not provide other
competing software. In particular Internet Explorer. Of course MS put IE
withing the operating system too and that was supposed to be removed too.

So what happens?
First result - Split MS up into two seperate companies. ( Tossed out as an
option)
2nd result - Make MS buy PC's and provide software free to schools ( Like
that was a 'penalty' to MS as the school system was one of the few places
they didn't have a monopoly.) Apple and the other states that abstained
disputes it and now waiting on solution #3.

My .02 on this
1) Any Federal judge making a ruling on technology MUST be under that age of
50, be a consumer on the Internet and understand the basics of how a PC and
the Internet works. We have to many judges making decisions about things
they simply do not understand at all. Comparing Napster & MP3.com is a good
example of them not understanding the technology. Napster NEVER had ANY
files on their servers. They provided peer to peer file transfer with the
ability to search other PC's for information. That's no different than ICQ
having peer to peer or using any basic search engine for information on
other PC's and servers. Napster or ANY peer to peer technology cannot
control its users and how they use the technology. MP3.com provided space
for the files, kept the files on their systems and allowed ppl to upload and
download to that server. That's a whole different ballgame.

2) #3 Judgement should be
Do not allow MS to provide ANY free software. If consumers want it they have
to purchase it. For example - I buy a new PC from Dell, I get to choose the
software AND operating system I want and pay ( something ) to have MS
software. This should be for at least a 4 year period since that's about
how long it took IE to run Netscape into the ground. I should be allowed to
have various options like to have Netscape or WordPerfect instead of IE and
Word. I should not be forced to only have a choice of MS products. :-(

This would hit MS where it hurts and go a LONG way toward other companies
having some kind of chance at getting a share of the market back. Isn't that
was this was all about in the first place????? Shouldn't the result of the
lawsuit address that?

I should have FULL license to the software I get with my PC. The MS software
I got with my last PC is for use ONLY on this PC as the license is for the
software on this particular hardware ONLY. I got the software but if I want
a new PC and remove the software from the old one I can't use it on an old
PC. I don't even have a license to the OS, only to be used on this one PC.
Example - Say I want to purchase XP and put on this PC. I should be able to
take the existing Windows ME and put it on another machine I have. I
can't!!!

MAKE MS REMOVE IE from the OS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Immediately, now, provide
EVERYONE a new OS that doesn't have it in it. My reasoning - I am currently
having problems with a kernall32.dll error. I CANNOT fix it by doing a basic
'over install' of my OS beacause I upgraded my IE. Now, why shouldn't I be
able to fix my operating system because I updated a
program??????????????????????????????? *yes, I'm very mad about all this!*
This is probably one of the strongest reasons to MAKE them take a PROGRAM
from the Operating system.

<end rant>
Casay



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Jan 19, 2002, 11:01pm

Agreed :) Upgrade to windows98SE or Linux. If you're not into games and AW
all the time you can duel boot. Good luck to you :)

--Bowen--
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Jan 19, 2002, 11:41pm

Hmm.. Windows 95 right? If the browser didn't come with the OS, then this
might not work. If it did, then just reinstall Windows 95 over your current
installation, because I'm sure it will work. I've done it before. :) Then
re-upgrade your browser and you'll be fine.

SW Chris

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Jan 19, 2002, 11:44pm

btw... If you've never reformatted before, I would suggest you do so if
you're still in Win95. It'll boost your performance a bit and get rid of
that kernel32.dll error. :)

SW Chris

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Jan 20, 2002, 12:10am

Reformatting helps little, except for defragmenting... good ol' deltree C:\Windows and then reinstall it works very well, and you
don't lose all the content of your disk

Fox Mc Cloud

"sw chris" <chris at skywalkeronline.net> a écrit dans le message news: 3c4a2106$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> btw... If you've never reformatted before, I would suggest you do so if
> you're still in Win95. It'll boost your performance a bit and get rid of
> that kernel32.dll error. :)
>
> SW Chris
>
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Jan 20, 2002, 3:22am

Deleting your Windows directory will erase any drivers she has. That's not
a good thing to do. Especially with Windows 95, since most likely it won't
install the drivers in the setup program, because it doesn't have them.

SW Chris.

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Jan 20, 2002, 3:41am

Well reformatting wouldn't keep the drivers either :P
Reinstalling windows over an older install, without deleting the older windows dir, does nearly nothing...
And drivers can be downloaded :)

Fox Mc Cloud

"sw chris" <chris at skywalkeronline.net> a écrit dans le message news: 3c4a53f8 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> Deleting your Windows directory will erase any drivers she has. That's not
> a good thing to do. Especially with Windows 95, since most likely it won't
> install the drivers in the setup program, because it doesn't have them.
>
> SW Chris.

Jan 20, 2002, 5:39am

Most applications need registry entries, the most
stupid thing in windows ever. So if you delete windows
you need to reinstall nearly everything.

A reformat of the C drive and having all own on a
different partition or drive is sure not more work.

[View Quote] > Well reformatting wouldn't keep the drivers either :P
> Reinstalling windows over an older install, without deleting the older =
windows dir, does nearly nothing...
> And drivers can be downloaded :)
> =

> Fox Mc Cloud
> =

> "sw chris" <chris at skywalkeronline.net> a =E9crit dans le message news: =
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's not
won't
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