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Jan 7, 2002, 3:26pm

just passing info..... AW is open today and VRG8 has been Confirmed to be a
cracked uni


status of coolworlds unknown

dreamlandpark is confirmed legit and is down by its own means not aw contact
dreamland park for more info

Jan 7, 2002, 4:12pm

Where did you get this info from? Im a cit of dreamlandpark, and also one of
its board members, and I herd nothing that has any 100% proof to why its
down.



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Jan 7, 2002, 4:36pm

AW3000 has also been confirmed to be a cracked uni.


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Jan 7, 2002, 5:33pm

If these Universes are indeed cracked what does AW plan to do to shut them
down not to mention taking legal action against the people running them. I
would think it was a criminal offence at least. After all adobe had the FBI
imprsson someone just for decompiling the adobe reader code last year. I
would of thought running a cracked universe and collecting revenue does not
enthuse genuine universe owners after spending all of that money on there
systems. Perhaps a simple solution would be to password all the standard AW
objects and lease the use of the Object path to world owners for a nominal
fee as atleast this would generate revenue and stop these crackers profiting
from dedicated AW users hard work and cash they have invested.

well just my thoughts on the matter if it is indeed true.

Echomencer.


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Jan 7, 2002, 5:48pm

What a great way to make the money they need.. sue the people who have
cracked universes!!!

--Bowen--

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Jan 7, 2002, 5:54pm

and at the same time...get rid of as many universes where citezins can go to
when they leave aw hehe

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Jan 7, 2002, 5:55pm

Well just sue the cracked ones. The rest pay for it so they're legit. :)

--Bowen--

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Jan 7, 2002, 7:30pm

Well you might think a cracked universe is good, but look at it from this
point of view, to crack it they must have messed around with it to make it
fuction, there is no gaurentee it will keep fuctioning in fact as time goes
on I suspect it will do the oposite. There are no chance of version
upgrades, more enhancements not to mention the fact it uses the Renderware
engine so if AW dont sue then Im sure Renderware will or perhaps Both.

The fact AW have implimented a new price structure shows that the feel there
is a lot more they can do with the product but can see it will cost a major
investment to achive it. The people who will benifit from this situation are
the citizens, world and universe owners as they in turn will have access to
these new systems not to mention the fact that other Universes while being
smaller can now compete with Activeworlds as they may not have as much land
to sell but they can have reduced citizen fees compared to AW in exchange
for higher world prices than AW and thus in turn both the Big and the Small
can get bigger without harming each other.

Were as the cracked systems simply harm all and do no one any good in the
long term as even they have to pay for there bandwidth to host there servers
and worlds and the more people who use them the bigger there bills will get
and they too will have no choice but to close down due to lack of funds to
keep them going.

If everything in Life was free then how would anyone survive or provide for
there families.

My last passing thought is perhaps there should be two citizenship prices in
AW a anual one for people who want to just chat , they cant build or have
priv pass access etc... just chat and telegrams. then for those who want to
build run bots worlds etc... pay a higher monthly fee and get a more
complete service service.

Echomencer.


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Jan 7, 2002, 8:21pm

> Well you might think a cracked universe is good, but look at it from this

Um.. when did I ever say this? Read all the posts. I very clearly state AW
should sue the cracked universe operators.

> point of view, to crack it they must have messed around with it to make it
> fuction, there is no gaurentee it will keep fuctioning in fact as time
goes
> on I suspect it will do the oposite. There are no chance of version
> upgrades, more enhancements not to mention the fact it uses the Renderware
> engine so if AW dont sue then Im sure Renderware will or perhaps Both.

The renderware engine that AW uses is and was completely written by Roland.
Renderware no longer supports RWX. I'm pretty sure it's source is available
for it as well.

> The fact AW have implimented a new price structure shows that the feel
there
> is a lot more they can do with the product but can see it will cost a
major
> investment to achive it. The people who will benifit from this situation
are
> the citizens, world and universe owners as they in turn will have access
to
> these new systems not to mention the fact that other Universes while being
> smaller can now compete with Activeworlds as they may not have as much
land
> to sell but they can have reduced citizen fees compared to AW in exchange
> for higher world prices than AW and thus in turn both the Big and the
Small
> can get bigger without harming each other.

Yes, there is a lot more that can be done. But it won't be done since
they're only interested in what they want majorly. Only recently have I
heard of implementations of citizen requests. It's not an investment in
money, but rather in time with new features. They can be done, but the big
guys upstairs won't pay the team to develop the more features on overtime
with their current bind. They may even fire them for not following the
directions given. Other universes may follow suit with Activeworlds,
although it may not be to the same extreme. They would do this so they can
bring in more income and offer better services. When you have a
technological monopoly like this very few "small" programs do well unless
there's a sudden rise in prices.

> Were as the cracked systems simply harm all and do no one any good in the
> long term as even they have to pay for there bandwidth to host there
servers
> and worlds and the more people who use them the bigger there bills will
get
> and they too will have no choice but to close down due to lack of funds to
> keep them going.

Yes they do harm all. Lots of them are trojans as well. Not everyone pays
on bandwidth. Only commercial lines in America are usually charged on it,
so if you're using a residential connection you're safe from bandwidth costs
as long as they're not too bad.

> If everything in Life was free then how would anyone survive or provide
for
> there families.

If everything in life were free then we could support anything. It's just a
different economic principle that works quite well. Things like food would
be rationed. Other things like electricity would be free. There'd still be
competition but it wouldn't be nearly as bad. If we did things for the
betterment of mankind instead of for ourselves, our society would be far
greater. Just my two cents there :)

> My last passing thought is perhaps there should be two citizenship prices
in
> AW a anual one for people who want to just chat , they cant build or have
> priv pass access etc... just chat and telegrams. then for those who want
to
> build run bots worlds etc... pay a higher monthly fee and get a more
> complete service service.

No one would pay for just chatting, AOL and IRC cover this quite well. Not
to mention MSN and Yahoo!.

--Bowen--

Jan 7, 2002, 9:20pm

just a pointless comment about "if everything was free" ;)

if everything was free, would we need to provide for our families? naw..
we'd just get the providing stuff for free!
food, an whatnot

-Frek

Jan 7, 2002, 9:25pm

> just a pointless comment about "if everything was free" ;)
>
> if everything was free, would we need to provide for our families? naw..
> we'd just get the providing stuff for free!
> food, an whatnot

Food would be rationed. It seems like it's the only thing that needs to be,
maybe gasoline. It would allow people to learn more, instead of wasting
their lives working mindlessly. But then there's the slackers that wouldn't
do anything, but there's always something out of the group that doesn't
comply. As long as you do something useful you can partake in it LoL,
repair, design, make, etc.

--Bowen--

Jan 7, 2002, 10:21pm

renderware wasnt made by roland...it was made buy the company that makes
renderware. and im sure they wouldnt find out abour cracked unis unless they
became widely public

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Jan 7, 2002, 10:23pm

[View Quote] Renderware was written by Criterion Software. Roland just had to re-write
the RWX file loader so we could keep using that file format. Roland did
*not* write Renderware.

-Agent1

Jan 7, 2002, 10:24pm

By the way - The source for Renderware is *not* available... Licensing the
engine's use is pretty expensive if I remember correctly.

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Jan 7, 2002, 10:28pm

> renderware wasnt made by roland...it was made buy the company that makes
> renderware. and im sure they wouldnt find out abour cracked unis unless
they
> became widely public

The renderware functions that AW uses was written by Roland since the newer
versions no longer support RWX.

--Bowen--

Jan 7, 2002, 10:29pm

You mistook what I said, Roland had to rewrite the rendware function that AW
uses since the newer versions no long support RWX.

--Bowen--

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Jan 7, 2002, 10:34pm

Which "function"? All he rewrote was the stuff that *loaded* the RWX files.
Renderware is a 3D engine, not a file loader.

-Agent1

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Jan 7, 2002, 10:41pm

> Which "function"? All he rewrote was the stuff that *loaded* the RWX
files.
> Renderware is a 3D engine, not a file loader.
>
> -Agent1

I used function for a lack of a better word. Renderware no longer supports
RWX or it's structure, I'd assume. So thus you have to write a function to
convert it to the new version of Renderware. Anything can load an RWX file,
but it needs to be converted and translated by the rendering engine. So
thus he needed to rewrite a "renderware function" so RWX was still
supported. And that's what I was originally talking about.

--Bowen--

Jan 8, 2002, 12:10am

Renderware allows using the OLD engine in at least
one OpenSource project. I don't have the link handy
at the moment, but found that statement somewhere
on the homepage of such a project.

If I remember right, the renderware sources were not
included in the freesource part.

Maybe a point where Dataman or one of his ghosts
could continue ...


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Jan 8, 2002, 12:16am

then they could just make there own OP >:) think my friend, think

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TrekkerX
Commatron & Athnex
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http://www.athnex.com
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Jan 8, 2002, 12:18am

AWCOM dont have the money to hire a laywer >:) thats why there jackin up cit
prices

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TrekkerX
Commatron & Athnex
http://www.commatron.com
http://www.athnex.com
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Jan 8, 2002, 1:45am

Where does this information come from? I talked to
one of the host people there just now and asked him,
referring to this thread, and he again said it was
not a cracked universe.


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Jan 8, 2002, 2:29am

[View Quote] I inquired and got a one liner response back that it was "under
investigation". Probably means that they are still investiagating to
dertermine if it's legit or not, Decide for yourself what it means.

Jan 8, 2002, 3:44pm

I know they guy that owns it, and for one seems very honest to me, and he
told me something quite different, who told you this? I've even heard they
were contacting AW tech support about a UniServer problem...

KAH

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Jan 9, 2002, 5:13pm

To us non-techie types, it looks like the last four posts in this thread are
saying the same thing. *grin*

SW Chris

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Jan 9, 2002, 5:15pm

Actually, I think they do.

Fox Mc Cloud

"sw chris" <chris at skywalkeronline.net> a écrit dans le message news: 3c3c965e$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> To us non-techie types, it looks like the last four posts in this thread are
> saying the same thing. *grin*
>
> SW Chris

Jan 9, 2002, 6:10pm

LoL it's true. First he disagreed with what I said, saying the same thing.
Then I disagreed with his disagreeing and reworded what I said so I hope
he'd understand it. Then it just went from there.

--Bowen--

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Jan 11, 2002, 9:54am

whew! thank goodness it wasn't me. Thought my poor non techie brain was
having an aneurysm or something. heheheh. ;-"D


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Jan 11, 2002, 6:15pm

> whew! thank goodness it wasn't me. Thought my poor non techie brain was
> having an aneurysm or something. heheheh. ;-"D

Lmao yeah that happens to me when I think to hard about something.

--Bowen--

Jan 11, 2002, 7:37pm

"bowen" <bowen at omegauniverse.com> a écrit dans le message news: 3c3f47ed$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
>
> Lmao yeah that happens to me when I think to hard about something.
>
> --Bowen--

That happens to me whenever I think, that's why I try to avoid doing so :D

Fox Mc Cloud

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