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To all the HTML people... (General Discussion)

To all the HTML people... // General Discussion

goober king

Jul 14, 2001, 2:39pm

Let me ask you guys a simple question: Why do you NEED to post in HTML? What possible
advantage is there to posting a 20K message that could easily only take up 3K? If you
post a url in a plain text message, most newsreaders will automatically convert it to
a link. And if you want to use pictures, you can easily attach them to a plain text
message. So where's the advantage? What practical purpose could posting in HTML have
that it would somehow enhance what you're trying to say?

All I'm looking for is a simple answer. What practical purpose does HTML have in
posting messages? If someone can give me a *valid*, practical reason for why they
need to make a 3K-plain text post into a 20K HTML post, then I'll be satisfied and
you'll never hear from me again on the subject. (And no, "Because it makes it look
better" is not a valid response, since looks are in the eye of the reader. I think a
lot of HTML posts look like crap, thank you.) I await your (hopefully) intelligent
responses.

--
Goober King
This should prove interesting...
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

kmissile583k

Jul 14, 2001, 2:54pm

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I do it so that I can either bold or change the color of text and =
empthasize some words and phrases that are important instead of HAVING =
TO TYPE CAPS, in which everyone thinks you're yelling, to achieve that.

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<DIV>"goober king" <<A=20
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Let me ask you=20
guys a simple question: Why do you NEED to post in HTML? What =
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advantage is there to posting a 20K message that could easily only take =
up 3K?=20
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automatically convert it to > a link. And if you want to use =
pictures, you=20
can easily attach them to a plain text > message. So where's the=20
advantage? What practical purpose could posting in HTML have > =
that it=20
would somehow enhance what you're trying to say? > > All =
I'm=20
looking for is a simple answer. What practical purpose does HTML have =
in >=20
posting messages? If someone can give me a *valid*, practical reason for =
why=20
they > need to make a 3K-plain text post into a 20K HTML post, =
then I'll=20
be satisfied and > you'll never hear from me again on the subject. =
(And=20
no, "Because it makes it look > better" is not a valid response, =
since=20
looks are in the eye of the reader. I think a > lot of HTML posts =
look=20
like crap, thank you.) I await your (hopefully) intelligent >=20
responses. > > -- > Goober King > This should =
prove=20
interesting... > <A =
href=3D"mailto:rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu"><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2>rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu</A></BODY></HTML>

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faber

Jul 14, 2001, 2:57pm

I would once in a while use html to have a posting that allows me to

a) emphasize a paragraph or a word, e.g. use BOLD instead of capitals
b) have a quoting separated by a different style to be easily distinguishable
c) use html - list tags for stuff like this

I am prevented from doing so because HTML is categorically denied. You may argue that some or even many HTML posts are bloated, look
like crap, etc etc, but thats not because they in HTML, thats because the guy writing it did not care about its looks.

However, this is also usually the case with plain text postings. They all usually "look like crap".

So my need is to have only a few formatting options available. No pictures, and only a few if any colors.

But all the time you run into people that full quote your HTML and add a "do not post in HTML". Those people are not considering the
content of your message. They didn't not compare message sizes. They saw something webbish and stopped reading and thinking.

Faber

ps: I have saved this email in a HTML format and in a plain text format. plain text has 3k, HTML has 6k. Your assumption of 20K
therefore does not hold.

"goober king" <rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:3B507562.49D4EDD2 at acsu.buffalo.edu...
> Let me ask you guys a simple question: Why do you NEED to post in HTML? What possible
> advantage is there to posting a 20K message that could easily only take up 3K? If you
> post a url in a plain text message, most newsreaders will automatically convert it to
> a link. And if you want to use pictures, you can easily attach them to a plain text
> message. So where's the advantage? What practical purpose could posting in HTML have
> that it would somehow enhance what you're trying to say?
>
> All I'm looking for is a simple answer. What practical purpose does HTML have in
> posting messages? If someone can give me a *valid*, practical reason for why they
> need to make a 3K-plain text post into a 20K HTML post, then I'll be satisfied and
> you'll never hear from me again on the subject. (And no, "Because it makes it look
> better" is not a valid response, since looks are in the eye of the reader. I think a
> lot of HTML posts look like crap, thank you.) I await your (hopefully) intelligent
> responses.
>
> --
> Goober King
> This should prove interesting...
> rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

chucks party

Jul 14, 2001, 3:41pm

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I am going to post in html from now on just because I can. I am =
personally sick and tired of this shit ass cry baby crap in the NG over =
1 html post. Now you all can take your ettiquete and opinions and shuv =
it where the sun don't shine. :)

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ananas

Jul 14, 2001, 3:58pm

Oh yes, or even better :

Let's all use Bitmap files then, I can paint fancy
stripes and have nice flowers between my text then.

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brandon

Jul 14, 2001, 4:56pm

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</head>

<body>

<blink>GREAT =
IDEA!</blink>im just going to post in HTML allllll the =
timegod a 6k post, that takes about, 2 seconds to download big =
deal. You guys post 10 times that amount just on the flames so if you =
just shutup we'd all have to download less

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gt;<font=20
face=3D"comic sans ms" color=3D"#ff6633"<FONT=20
color=3D#000000 size=3D1> size=3D"6"<FONT=20
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face=3D"impact" color=3D"#3300ff"<FONT=20
color=3D#000000 size=3D1> size=3D"3"<FONT=20
color=3D#000000 size=3D1>>im just going to post in HTML allllll the=20
time"arial" =
color=3D<FONT=20
color=3D#0000f0 size=3D1>"#ff0000" =

size=3D"+4">god a 6k post, that takes about, 2 seconds to download big =
deal. You=20
guys post 10 times that amount just on the flames so if you just shutup =
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less </body> </html></P=
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wrote=20
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=
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iveworlds.com</A>...</DIV>
<DIV>I am =
going to post in=20
html from now on just because I can. I am personally sick and tired of =

this shit =
ass <FONT=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D4>cry baby crap=20
in the NG over 1 =
html=20
post. Now you all can=20
take your ettiquete and opinions and shuv it where the sun=20
don't shine. <FONT=20
=
color=3D#800080>:)</DIV></BLOCK=
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brandon

Jul 14, 2001, 4:56pm

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ahhhh mother F*cker it never works.....oh well
[View Quote] <html>
<head>
<title>My humungus html post</title>
</head>

<body>

<blink>GREAT =
IDEA!</blink>im just going to post in HTML allllll the =
timegod a 6k post, that takes about, 2 seconds to download big =
deal. You guys post 10 times that amount just on the flames so if you =
just shutup we'd all have to download less

</body>
</html>

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<DIV>ahhhh mother F*cker it never =
works.....oh=20
well</DIV>
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gt;<font=20
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ms"<FONT=20
color=3D#000000 size=3D1> color=3D"#ff6633" =
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IDEA!</blink>"impact" =
color=3D<FONT=20
color=3D#0000f0 size=3D1>"#3300ff"=20
size=3D"3">im just going to post in HTML allllll the=20
time"arial" =
color=3D<FONT=20
color=3D#0000f0 size=3D1>"#ff0000"=20
size=3D"+4">god a 6k post, that takes about, 2 seconds to download =
big deal.=20
You guys post 10 times that amount just on the flames so if you just =
shutup=20
we'd all have to download=20
=
less </body> </html></P=
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<BLOCKQUOTE=20
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<DIV>I am =
going to post in=20
html from now on just because I can. I am personally sick and tired =
of=20
this shit =
ass=20
cry baby <FONT color=3D#804040 =

size=3D5>crap in the NG over 1 html post. Now you all can take your ettiquete and opinions and shuv =
it where=20
the sun don't shine. <FONT=20
=
color=3D#800080>:)</DIV></BLOCK=
QUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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brandon

Jul 14, 2001, 4:57pm

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<html>
<head>
<title>My humungus html post</title>
</head>

<body>

<blink>GREAT =
IDEA!</blink>im just going to post in HTML allllll the =
timegod a 6k post, that takes about, 2 seconds to download big =
deal. You guys post 10 times that amount just on the flames so if you =
just shutup we'd all have to download less

</body>
</html>
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<head>
<title>My humungus html post</title>
</head>

<body>

<blink>GREAT IDEA!</blink>im just going to post in HTML allllll the =
timegod a 6k post, that takes about, 2 seconds to download big =
deal. You guys post 10 times that amount just on the flames so if you =
just shutup we'd all have to download less

</body>
</html>

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<META content=3D"MSHTML 5.00.2614.3500" name=3DGENERATOR>
<STYLE></STYLE>
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face=3D"comic sans ms" color=3D"#ff6633"<FONT=20
color=3D#000000 size=3D1> size=3D"6"<FONT=20
color=3D#000000 size=3D1>>GREAT =
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face=3D"impact" color=3D"#3300ff"<FONT=20
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color=3D#000000 size=3D1>>im just going to post in HTML allllll the=20
time"arial" =
color=3D<FONT=20
color=3D#0000f0 size=3D1>"#ff0000" =

size=3D"+4">god a 6k post, that takes about, 2 seconds to download big =
deal. You=20
guys post 10 times that amount just on the flames so if you just shutup =
we'd all=20
have to download=20
less </body> </html></F=
ONT></DIV>
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<DIV>brandon <<A=20
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<DIV>ahhhh mother F*cker it never =
works.....oh=20
well</DIV>
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HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <html> <head> <title>My =
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post</title> </head> <body> <blink&=
gt;<font=20
face=3D"comic sans =
ms"<FONT=20
color=3D#000000 size=3D1> color=3D"#ff6633" =
size=3D<FONT=20
color=3D#0000f0 size=3D1>"6">GREAT=20
IDEA!</blink>"impact" =
color=3D<FONT=20
color=3D#0000f0 size=3D1>"#3300ff"=20
size=3D"3">im just going to post in HTML allllll the=20
time"arial" =
color=3D<FONT=20
color=3D#0000f0 size=3D1>"#ff0000"=20
size=3D"+4">god a 6k post, that takes about, 2 seconds to download =
big deal.=20
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shutup=20
we'd all have to download=20
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less </body> </html></P=
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<DIV>chucks party <<A=20
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iveworlds.com</A>...</DIV>
<DIV>I am =
going to post=20
in html from now on just because I can. I am personally sick and =
tired of=20
this shit =
ass=20
cry baby crap in the NG over 1 html post. Now you all can take your ettiquete and opinions and shuv =
it where=20
the sun don't shine. <FONT=20
=
color=3D#800080>:)</DIV></BLOCK=
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brandon

Jul 14, 2001, 4:58pm

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AHHHHHHH oh ill just stop trying
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<head>
<title>My humungus html post</title>
</head>

<body>

<blink>GREAT =
IDEA!</blink>im just going to post in HTML allllll the =
timegod a 6k post, that takes about, 2 seconds to download big =
deal. You guys post 10 times that amount just on the flames so if you =
just shutup we'd all have to download less

</body>
</html>
[View Quote] <html>
<head>
<title>My humungus html post</title>
</head>

<body>

<blink>GREAT IDEA!</blink>im just going to post in HTML allllll the =
timegod a 6k post, that takes about, 2 seconds to download big =
deal. You guys post 10 times that amount just on the flames so if you =
just shutup we'd all have to download less

</body>
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<META content=3D"MSHTML 5.00.2614.3500" name=3DGENERATOR>
<STYLE></STYLE>
</HEAD>
<BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
<DIV>AHHHHHHH oh ill just stop =
trying</DIV>
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color=3D#0000f0 size=3D1>"#ff0000"=20
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style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
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<DIV>brandon <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:brandon at my.activeworlds.com">brandon at my.activeworlds.com</=
A>>=20
wrote in message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:3b5095ee at server1.Activeworlds.com">news:3b5095ee at server1.Act=
iveworlds.com</A>...</DIV>
<DIV>ahhhh mother F*cker it never =
works.....oh=20
well</DIV>
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style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV>brandon <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:brandon at my.activeworlds.com">brandon at my.activeworlds.com</=
A>>=20
wrote in message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:3b5095c4$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com">news:3b5095c4$1 at server1=
..Activeworlds.com</A>...</DIV>
<DIV>
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD=20
HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <html> <head> <title>My=20
humungus html=20
=
post</title> </head> <body> <blink&=
gt;<font=20
face=3D"comic sans =
ms"<FONT=20
color=3D#000000 size=3D1> color=3D"#ff6633" =
size=3D<FONT=20
color=3D#0000f0 size=3D1>"6">GREAT=20
IDEA!</blink>"impact" =
color=3D<FONT=20
color=3D#0000f0 size=3D1>"#3300ff"=20
size=3D"3">im just going to post in HTML allllll the=20
time"arial" =
color=3D<FONT=20
color=3D#0000f0 size=3D1>"#ff0000"=20
size=3D"+4">god a 6k post, that takes about, 2 seconds to =
download big=20
deal. You guys post 10 times that amount just on the flames so if =
you just=20
shutup we'd all have to download=20
=
less </body> </html></P=
></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV>chucks party <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:Chucks_Party at hotmail.com">Chucks_Party at hotmail.com</A>>=
=20
wrote in message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:3b508456 at server1.Activeworlds.com">news:3b508456 at server1.Act=
iveworlds.com</A>...</DIV>
<DIV>I =
am going to=20
post in html from now on just because I can. I am personally =
sick and=20
tired of this shit =

ass cry =
baby <FONT=20
color=3D#804040 size=3D5>crap in =
the NG over=20
1 html post. Now you all can =
take your=20
ettiquete and opinions and shuv it where the sun=20
don't shine. <FONT=20
=
color=3D#800080>:)</DIV></BLOCK=
QUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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goober king

Jul 14, 2001, 6:13pm

Hmm... emphasizing text... There are plenty of other ways to emphasize text other
than using bold or different colors, such as *this*, or _this_, or even >this<. Yes,
all CAPS is annoying, but there are other methods.

Try again! :)

[View Quote] --
Goober King
A valiant effort, on his part...
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

goober king

Jul 14, 2001, 6:34pm

Ok, I'll take them in order:

[View Quote] As I said to KMissile, there are other ways to emphasize text than using bold or
colors. Using asterisks (*), underscores(_), or some other character to separate
words are just as effective.

> b) have a quoting separated by a different style to be easily distinguishable

This can be easily done by placing a > character at the beginning of a line you want
to appear differently. The newsreader will treat that as quoted text and will make it
italicized, like so:

> This is something I want to emphasize.

If that doesn't work, you can indent with the TAB and separate it that way.

> c) use html - list tags for stuff like this

You can accomplish the same thing list tags do by using the • character (Alt+0149),
like so:

Here's a list:

• Thing #1
• Thing #2
• Thing #3

> I am prevented from doing so because HTML is categorically denied. You may argue that some or even many HTML posts are bloated, look
> like crap, etc etc, but thats not because they in HTML, thats because the guy writing it did not care about its looks.
>
> However, this is also usually the case with plain text postings. They all usually "look like crap".
>
> So my need is to have only a few formatting options available. No pictures, and only a few if any colors.
>
> But all the time you run into people that full quote your HTML and add a "do not post in HTML". Those people are not considering the
> content of your message. They didn't not compare message sizes. They saw something webbish and stopped reading and thinking.

I will agree that most problems with HTML posts where looks are concerned are with
the poster, not HTML itself. (see Wing's post with the nukes in the background...
can't even read the damn text sometimes) I, personally, have no problem with HTML
*if* there's a reason for it. All these fools in here posting in HTML simply because
they can or because it pisses people off (Chuck, Brandon, KMissile, et al) are just
childish and demonstrate a complete lack of respect for those less fortunate than
them.

>
> Faber
>
> ps: I have saved this email in a HTML format and in a plain text format. plain text has 3k, HTML has 6k. Your assumption of 20K
> therefore does not hold.

I was only using arbitrary numbers to demonstrate how needless it was to use HTML
instead of plain text. Using you're numbers, an HTML post is still twice the size of
a plain text post. Had a plain text post been rather long and about 10K or so, just
imagine how big the HTML version of it would be! It's a waste!

>
> "goober king" <rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:3B507562.49D4EDD2 at acsu.buffalo.edu...

--
Goober King
Somehow knew Chuck couldn't possibly be intelligent about this...
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

shred

Jul 14, 2001, 7:16pm

[View Quote] > I am going to post in html from now on just because I can. I am
> personally sick and tired of this *shit ass* cry baby crap in the NG
> over 1 html post. Now you all can take your ettiquete and opinions and
> shuv it where the sun don't shine. :)
>

Reasons for not posting in HTML:

1) Some people pay by the megabyte and download all messages for offline reading. Point being that 300 1-2 KB post is 300-600 kilobytes, whereas 300 3-20 KB HTML posts could be anywhere from 900 KB to 6 MB.

2) It's inconsiderate of other people who might not be as bandwidth-fortunate as you are.

3) Why waste space and bandwidth simply because it's there? That's Mircosoft's tactic.

4) Quite a few newsreaders do not support HTML reading.

And the list goes on. I'm not trying to whine here; I'm just trying to show you the reasons why I think HTML posting is not wise. So if you decide to insult me, you'll just end up on my killfile.

chucks party

Jul 14, 2001, 8:08pm

This is a multi-part message in MIME format.

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Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Shred, that is not the point, the point is look at all the crap this 1 =
little post has caused and all the stupid freaking idiots crying and =
complaining about it causing people to d/l more crap they don't need. =
None of this would even be an issue if people were not under the =
impression that posting in html took more to d/l, that's bullshit =
compared to all the crap and senseless posts this has caused.

------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C10C76.BB0C3C20
Content-Type: text/html;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
<HTML><HEAD>
<META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Diso-8859-1">
<META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4616.200" name=3DGENERATOR>
<STYLE></STYLE>
</HEAD>
<BODY>
<DIV>Shred, that is not the point, =
the point is=20
look at all the crap this 1 little post has caused and all the stupid =
freaking=20
idiots crying and complaining about it causing people to d/l more crap =
they=20
don't need. None of this would even be an issue if people were not under =
the=20
impression that posting in html took more to d/l, that's bullshit =
compared to=20
all the crap and senseless posts this has caused.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV></BODY></HTML>

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kah

Jul 14, 2001, 8:34pm

ok... want me to send another (yes, I've allready sent one before) abuse
report on you?

KAH

[View Quote]

kah

Jul 14, 2001, 8:38pm

MAN, ARE YOU REALLY SO Fing STUPID??????? just because to oyu, it doesn't
SEEM to take longer, it does for OTHERS (ever heard that word before??). a
12kb post may take as long as a 1kb post to download for you, but NOT for
OTHERS, and it STILL will COUNT for the OTHERS that have to PAY for
bandwidth!

KAH

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wing

Jul 15, 2001, 12:25am

<sarcasm>
[View Quote] Then they should move to a new country or area and get a new ISP.

>
> 2) It's inconsiderate of other people who might not be as bandwidth-fortunate as you are.

Not as inconsiderate as you telling us to stop

>
> 3) Why waste space and bandwidth simply because it's there? That's Mircosoft's tactic.

Microsoft is cool *flaming homo smile goes here*

>
> 4) Quite a few newsreaders do not support HTML reading.

Everyone should use Outlook Express, it comes with your computer for %$*&(%$*#&('s sake.

</sarcasm>

faber

Jul 15, 2001, 11:50am

My reply below

"goober king" <rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:3B50AC77.831E6647 at acsu.buffalo.edu...
[View Quote] No, they are not. It does not enable me to distinguish between a capital word and a bold word. or a word that has an underscore in
front and behind it, and a word that is underlined.

Using capitals, asterisks and underscores is something like adjust the human reader so that it understand the handicapped machine.
That was necessary long ago, it is not anymore these days.

You know that a hand written letter has far more styles (and people use them) then an ascii terminal ? Those techical limits that
were present 20 years ago are so artificial. There is no meaning in those anymore today.

- Pure Plain-Text is artificial. No HTML is artificial and outdated
- No Pictures, no binaries is artificial but valid for another few years
- No colors, no visual "junk" is a natural limit and never asked for. I do not know why.

>
>
> This can be easily done by placing a > character at the beginning of a line you want
> to appear differently. The newsreader will treat that as quoted text and will make it
> italicized, like so:
>

Yes, and if my text happens to have a > at the beginning of a line, as in

"The population used to be
> 10 million since the year 1999, but
< 5 million only 2 years before that.

Your newsreader gets the middle line of it all wrong. HTML would enable the proper machine-readable decoration of quoted text.

> If that doesn't work, you can indent with the TAB and separate it that way.
>
>
> You can accomplish the same thing list tags do by using the . character (Alt+0149),
> like so:
>
> Here's a list:
>
> . Thing #1
> . Thing #2
> . Thing #3

This, as the rest stated above, is a work-around, not a solution. No newsreader knows how to proper break lines properly.

You remember Eep fight for certain settings regarding line breaks in newsreaders ? He asks you to not limit your lines so
that the recipients newsreader can break the lines as they fit on screen. ? Did you ever notice that there are many others that
ask you for a 79 character limit on each line, so that terminals or transport protocols do not break ?

You know that HTML encoding would eliminate all of this, as it does not need simple carrige returns/line feeds as line breaks. It
breaks lines just as a web page does which has no concept of line breaks, all it has is paragraph separators.

The technology is there, only very odd, old and aritifical rules prevent us from using it.

look
the
>
> I will agree that most problems with HTML posts where looks are concerned are with
> the poster, not HTML itself. (see Wing's post with the nukes in the background...
> can't even read the damn text sometimes) I, personally, have no problem with HTML
> *if* there's a reason for it. All these fools in here posting in HTML simply because
> they can or because it pisses people off (Chuck, Brandon, KMissile, et al) are just
> childish and demonstrate a complete lack of respect for those less fortunate than
> them.

Now we come to an agreement. I agree that most HTML here is posted just to annoy people, and you may have realized, that I actually
never used HTML here. I would have, maybe once or twice in a month, but i did not because its not accepted here.

But I do question that behaviour, I do not see any reason for this categorical denial.

So why don't we change the rules from "no html" to "no bloatet messages, no binaries, and no intentional provoking".

>
> I was only using arbitrary numbers to demonstrate how needless it was to use HTML
> instead of plain text. Using you're numbers, an HTML post is still twice the size of
> a plain text post. Had a plain text post been rather long and about 10K or so, just
> imagine how big the HTML version of it would be! It's a waste!

Well, arbitrary numbers are pretty bad if you do not have support for them. My numbers showed a 3k plain text post to increase to 6k
by using html.
That does not tell if the size doubles, or say, if the size just increases by 3k. a 10k message might be 13k in HTML, we do not
know.

I think that the numbers are in between, it might grow to 15k or 18k, but even if. 20k is not much these days, and you don't need
HTML to reach it. A nice little full quote does it too.

Faber

kah

Jul 15, 2001, 4:20pm

You obviously don't actually know HTML... ever seen the tag? that's for
line breaks, budy! when you enter this:
"HTML is better than plain textplain text looks like crap" in
your code, you'll see something like this on your page:
HTML is better than plain text

plain text looks like crap

but if you enter "HTML is better than plain text plain text looks like
crap" you'll get this:
HTML is better than plain text
plain text looks like crap

KAH

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