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Jun 14, 2003, 4:45am

i am building my world with the Megapath, i ran out of room building
something with the object limit at Huge with the objects: wall12.rwx and
to-tire1.rwx, the megapath doesnt have the right prefab objects and AW
doesnt have enough space......... to solve this problem extend the Object
Limit to a custom level that you can set

Jun 14, 2003, 7:40am

Why would you want that many objects in your world?
If your cell limit is on huge and getting area full warnings then hardly
anyone will go in there due to all the lag that will be caused.
I have been in worlds built like this filling all the cells to there max on
huge and the fps was down at 1 or less then 1.
Don't get me wrong the worlds where very nicely built and all.
But you could not move around at all, maybe one inch per under 1 second at
best.
Some of them 3D homepage objects on that megapath do have a real high poly
vert count and will cause lag so be careful with those if your using them
when you build.
Not sure as to why they where created that way, looking at them in the world
they appear to have a low normal poly vert count but they do not.





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Jun 14, 2003, 7:56am

My world use to have a very high object count in the cells now its much
reduced and frames are in the mid 30 to 40 range from the low single digit
range. But also cell isnt just used for objects, but object actions and
descriptions also. Maybe a nice feature would be to allow specific cells to
exceed the Huge limit that way you can have only the cell(s) that requires a
lot of object interaction in a building such as a tall tower.

DM

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Jun 14, 2003, 6:46pm

its not like i am going to put in millions of objects i dont use many but
the maximum limit isnt enough
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Jun 14, 2003, 7:31pm

You see if your using Huge, and you still fill up a cell, it means one
thing.

YOU SUCK AS A BUILDER!
Go to AWSchool and learn again....

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Brock - 308723 - DE Leader

Jun 14, 2003, 9:18pm

i dont suck as a builder ..... the Megapath doesnt have the right objects so
i had to build more then it allows to make what i want, what about AW they
arent supplying what their citizens pay for
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Jun 14, 2003, 9:21pm

if you are using huge and fill up a cell it means:

AW needs smaller cells
the Megapath needs more objects/prefabs
and that the cell limit is too small it has nothing to do with being a good
builder

Jun 15, 2003, 12:02am

oh and guess what

PREFABS ARE FOR PEOPLE THAT CANT BUILD GOOD ALSO!

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Brock - 308723 - DE Leader

Jun 15, 2003, 3:05am

or people who dont want have enough space...
did you also know prefabs are put together objects like a HOUSE SOMEONE MADE
OUT OF PP01 AND FLOOR OBJECTS THAT THEY DONT WANT TO BUILD AGAIN IF YOUR
SUCH A GOOD BUILDER COME TO THE WORLD AND BUILD IT THEN
but guess what
IF I RUN OUT OF SPACE I AM A BAD BUILDER BUT IF YOU DO ITS AW'S PROBLEM?
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Jun 15, 2003, 3:33am

When the building inspector tells you that an area is full, it simply means that the cell data limit has been reached for a cell that you tried to place an object in. There are several ways to work around it under various circumstances, and several possible ways in which the system could be improved.

If you just want to be able to stack more objects vertically, such as in making a spiral staircase, use the border between cells, so that up to 4 cells can share the load. I, however, do "NOT" recommend making a habit of this, and I very strongly recommend against using this technique with complex objects.

The biggest problem with improving the situation, is that the world server presently has no way of knowing just how complex an object is. What's more, even if the world server was modified to be able to download and examine objects as they are encountered, it would still be important to consider possibilities such as the object being replaced or updated, or a failed download. One possibility would be to add support for a "latest object path update" feature, which would allow a world caretaker to specify a time stamp to compare cached objects with. Both the browser and the world server could then use this date stamp to make sure they have their cache up to date. If a feature like this was added, should be optional, since not all world ownser would want to allow their world server to cache objects. It would also be a good idea to allow world servers running on the same system or the same network as the object path server to access the object path directly. Also, the world server would not (at this point in time) need to actually cache the entire object, but rather some derived information about the object such is the number of polygons and the number of vertices. It could then use such information in calculations of an alternative definition of "area full" which would be more sensative to the likely impact a particular object would have on performance.

I wouldn't recommend simply allowing world owners to set the limit as high as they feel like, since unfortunately there are people out there who would ignore the possible effect it would have on people visiting their world with slow computers, or worse yet, actually try to crash people's systems. Yes, I do agree that possible improvements in the cell data limit scheme should be considered, but I wouldn't consider removal of the limit to be an improvement. If an "Unlimited" setting was to be considered, then it should definately be considered only along with the addition of a switch at the universe level to allow or prohibit it.

TechnoZeus

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Jun 15, 2003, 11:05am

Brock,

If you wish to be respected, and have people actually read your posts, I
reccomend a dose of maturity. This is AW and NNTP, people do not have to
listen to your rubbish if they do not need to, and all you are doing is
harming yourself, and AW.

- Mark

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Jun 15, 2003, 12:18pm

All i saw when i read that mark was

Brock.

Blah. Blah. Blah

- Mark

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Brock - 308723 - DE Leader

Jun 15, 2003, 3:25pm

[View Quote] Me too.

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--Bowen--

Jun 15, 2003, 7:02pm

Ah, so typing in all caps has to do with a vision imparement then. That explains it. I thought you were angry or something.

TZ

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Jun 18, 2003, 11:47pm

Roland mentioned something about packet sizes being kept down in the old
days cant remember if that way another reaon for this

Jun 19, 2003, 2:54am

wow, I think I must be going insane :-) I agree with Mark! This isn't a
playground :-)

J

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Jun 22, 2003, 10:47am

Its called modeling :-) Don't have the right object for you, make one! The
wonders of AW...custom objects, who woulda thought!
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-Miek Zimmer
*Mike

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Jul 7, 2003, 4:16pm

There is a very good description of the packet size issues relating to
an unlimited cell count on the AW Feature vote page.

It is cited as one of the primary reasons for a cap on the object count.

In a nutshell, it is desirable to be able to fit the entire contents of an
AW
'cell' into a single HTTP packet of the maximum size allowed for HTTP
packets.

AW is considering a change to this. Vote on the feature request page if
you want to see them do it.

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Jul 7, 2003, 4:17pm

[View Quote] TCP packets you mean? It's not like you can't do some sort of structure
to allow multiple packets into one cell.

> AW is considering a change to this. Vote on the feature request page if
> you want to see them do it.

Yeah. It would be a nice one.

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--Bowen--

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