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Labyrinth <IBLadyLuck at hotmail.com>
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looks like a refund to me
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From: "Woman" Newsgroups: community
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 2:49 AM
Subject: Re: Pyro Goddess and Maddness Avatars


yep that is a refund finally after almost a month. thank you!

Labyrinth <IBLadyLuck at hotmail.com>
Sent : Saturday, July 9, 2005 12:32 PM
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Jul 9, 2005, 11:48pm

Yay for more drama!

Jul 10, 2005, 1:16am

I say again, this is NOT the newsgroup for airing out your dirty laundry. Keep it between you and Pyro Goddess.

Jul 10, 2005, 3:05am

TheMask and TonyM:

While I fully understand that YOU might not be interested in someone ELSE
getting ripped off, this newsgroup is marked COMMUNITY, and, as far as I can
tell, I, 'Woman', PyroGoddess and both of YOU are all a part of that
community group.

I know of no other forum in the Active Worlds COMMUNITY that is available
for people to speak with one-another, get support from one-another or
discuss any active-worlds-related issues aside from these newsgroups.
Further, the Activeworlds newsgroups Web page states " Activeworlds hosts
several different support newsgroups. Anyone may view the posts and
information in these newsgroups; ..."

Near as I can recall, the freedoms that we all fight to defend include the
right to free speech, and, that means we're ALL free to solicit advice, warn
our fellow citizens and post our opinions about situations, individuals or
corporations in whatever manner we see fit, so long as what we post is not
libelous or slander.

Our posts here are meant to both solicit advice as well as warn others of a
potentially harmful business situation. Furthermore, 'Woman', Myself (and
even Pyro Goddess) are staying within those guidelines, have been (mostly)
courteous and well-spoken to everyone here and have not infringed upon
anyone else's right to post whatever they like. I challenge you both to live
up to those same standards.

In the mean time -- while you are struggling to hold your tongues -- kindly
move on if the post in question does not interest you.

Coree

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Jul 10, 2005, 3:49am

Agree with you Coree -

This situation deals with potential fraud and dissatisfaction and can be
helpful to members of the community looking for these types of services. I
agree that these newsgroups should not be a place for meaningless rambling
and chat logs but this issue in particular does have some necessity.

Maki Kato
AWNews / Support AW / AWGate.com
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Jul 10, 2005, 7:20am

Yes, POTENTIAL fraud, and until it is verrified and AWI agree's, because
until that point they are basically using these newsgroups to libel someone
on AW Inc's newsgroups, which I am sure they will be none too happy about.

If it really is that bad, you need to *fully* document it and place it upon
a webpage, and send the same information to Rick Noll.

Until then, go play in news://news.activeworlds.com/bitching because, quite
franky, not a single thing you have wrote has made me want to read it - you
have yet to make any directive statements on the matter, and you are acting
in a very inappropriate way if you believe fraud has been commited against
you.

--
- Mark Randall
http://zetech.swehli.com

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Jul 10, 2005, 8:39am

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Strike Rapier,

You said:

From www.websters.com -=20

li=B7bel ( P ) Pronunciation Key (lbl)
n.=20
1.. A false publication, as in writing, print, signs, or pictures, =
that damages a person's reputation

I hate to burst your politically correct bubble, StrikeRapier, however, =
ALL of the material that I have presented in this newsgroup is 1) my =
personal, first-hand experience and 2) 100% true, and can be documented =
as such. Hence, no libel here.

If PyroGoddess is choosing to run her business in a manner that is =
un-professional, shady or otherwise potentially harmful to her bottom =
line, that is HER issue and something that WILL get around via the =
grapevine (as has been the case with businesses for thousands of years)! =
My DUTY as a member of the AW community is to make sure that both AWI =
and my peers have access to the information that I have so as to prevent =
others from being taken for a ride.

I have written to AWI. I have written in the newsgroups. I am doing as I =
SHOULD do, as is my moral obligation to my peers and community.

Are you an educated consumer, Strike Rapier? If so, perhaps you can tell =
me how people who run their business like PyroGoddess' stay in business? =
My guess is that they depend on the old saying that "there's a sucker =
born every minute".

Also, I would imagine that most people don't file charges or that =
'PyroGoddess' has just been bending the law to the breaking point =
instead of actually breaking it. After all, I DID finally receive my =
avatars (after 4 months and threatening legal action), and I almost got =
what I ordered (except for any avatar sequences or an avatar.dat file).

To date, I have personally spoken with 5 people who have also claimed =
that their business dealings with 'PyroGoddess' have been less than =
stellar. Two of those people claim that 'PyroGoddess' still owes them =
either avatars or a payment refund and has -- thus far -- delivered =
neither.

It cost me $360.00 and 4 months of aggravation to learn that she can not =
be trusted as a business person. If I can save someone that emotional =
and financial cost, I will do everything in my power to do so.


1) That's "written", not "wrote", and
2) as I said above -- while you are struggling to hold your tongue -- =
kindly move on if the post in question does not interest you.

I stand by my conviction that 'Community' has a responsibility to =
protect as well as support it's members.

Thank you for your comments.

Coree

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>You said:</FONT></DIV>
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peers and=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><FONT size=3D2><FONT>Are you an educated =
consumer, Strike=20
Rapier?&nbsp;If so, perhaps you can tell me how&nbsp;people&nbsp;who run =
their=20
business like PyroGoddess'&nbsp;stay in business? My guess is=20
that&nbsp;they&nbsp;depend on the old saying that "there's a sucker born =
every=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><FONT size=3D2><FONT>Also, I would imagine that=20
</FONT><FONT>most people don't file charges or that 'PyroGoddess' has =
just been=20
bending&nbsp;the law to the breaking point instead of&nbsp;actually =
breaking it.=20
After all, I DID finally&nbsp;receive my avatars (after 4 months and =
threatening=20
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avatar=20
sequences or an avatar.dat file).</FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>To date, I have personally spoken with =
5 people who=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It cost me $360.00 and 4 months of =
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save=20
someone that emotional and financial cost, I will do everything in my =
power to=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&gt;&gt;"not a single thing you have =
wrote has made=20
me want to read it"</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>1) That's "written", not "wrote", =
and</FONT></DIV>
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are struggling=20
to hold your tongue --&nbsp;&nbsp;kindly&nbsp;move on if the post in =
question=20
does not interest you.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I stand by my conviction that =
'Community' has a=20
responsibility to protect as well as support it's members.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thank you for your =
comments.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Coree</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>"Strike Rapier" &lt;</FONT><A=20
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necessity.<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; Maki =
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Jul 10, 2005, 11:21am

Firstly, plain text only if you would be so kind.

Secondly, of course I am not an educated user - all I have is a poxy 4 years
of consumer law.

--
- Mark Randall
http://zetech.swehli.com

[View Quote] You said:

From www.websters.com -

li·bel ( P ) Pronunciation Key (lbl)
n.
A false publication, as in writing, print, signs, or pictures, that damages
a person's reputation

I hate to burst your politically correct bubble, StrikeRapier, however, ALL
of the material that I have presented in this newsgroup is 1) my personal,
first-hand experience and 2) 100% true, and can be documented as such.
Hence, no libel here.

If PyroGoddess is choosing to run her business in a manner that is
un-professional, shady or otherwise potentially harmful to her bottom line,
that is HER issue and something that WILL get around via the grapevine (as
has been the case with businesses for thousands of years)! My DUTY as a
member of the AW community is to make sure that both AWI and my peers have
access to the information that I have so as to prevent others from being
taken for a ride.

I have written to AWI. I have written in the newsgroups. I am doing as I
SHOULD do, as is my moral obligation to my peers and community.

Are you an educated consumer, Strike Rapier? If so, perhaps you can tell me
how people who run their business like PyroGoddess' stay in business? My
guess is that they depend on the old saying that "there's a sucker born
every minute".

Also, I would imagine that most people don't file charges or that
'PyroGoddess' has just been bending the law to the breaking point instead of
actually breaking it. After all, I DID finally receive my avatars (after 4
months and threatening legal action), and I almost got what I ordered
(except for any avatar sequences or an avatar.dat file).

To date, I have personally spoken with 5 people who have also claimed that
their business dealings with 'PyroGoddess' have been less than stellar. Two
of those people claim that 'PyroGoddess' still owes them either avatars or a
payment refund and has -- thus far -- delivered neither.

It cost me $360.00 and 4 months of aggravation to learn that she can not be
trusted as a business person. If I can save someone that emotional and
financial cost, I will do everything in my power to do so.


1) That's "written", not "wrote", and
2) as I said above -- while you are struggling to hold your tongue --
kindly move on if the post in question does not interest you.

I stand by my conviction that 'Community' has a responsibility to protect as
well as support it's members.

Thank you for your comments.

Coree

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Jul 10, 2005, 2:43pm

With your recent posts here in the newsgroups, I'm going to assume that
you took back the following comments you wrote on Pyro's guest book at
http://www.pyrosmaddness.com/guestbookf.htm:

"June 11, 2005 - 01:24 AM
Woman

Pyro. your one great lady! I luv ya and I love all your avs and objects!
your the best ;-)
WOMAN"

-Builderz

Jul 10, 2005, 3:30pm

Strike Rapier,

This Web page --->>> http://zetech.swehli.com/roa/ <<<--- which links to
your signature below?
This is YOUR Curriculum Vitae, correct?

You are ...


.... are you not?

If so, you either left a TON of important education out of your CV, or, the
only "BUSINESS" training you've had is the group competition that you
entered at ages 10 and 11:


Furthermore -- at your present ripe, old age of 19 -- you appear to have
held a grand total of ONE (1) summer-of-2005, NON-retail job:


You do, however, know a TON about computers and programming!
Congratulations! =o)

Now, here is MY CV:
http://www.good-wench.com/Mutation/AWResume.htm
I currently OWN a part-time retail business, run a full-time biomedical
repair contracting business and have had more jobs and more successful
business partnerships than you have had years alive, so, stay in your
"business" league, Kiddo. Perhaps you should throw away all of those
textbooks and do a little living before you presume to have an educated
opinion, hmmmm?

My guess? You're simply a young, nosy computer geek who thinks they know
everything.

But then again, that's just my non-libelous opinion. *grin*

Thank you for your (plain text) comments!

Coree


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Jul 10, 2005, 3:39pm

Builderz,

Just an observation, but, according to Pyro's record of their
transaction(http://www.pyrosmaddness.com/womansrefund.jpg )
that guestbook post appears to have been made the day that 'Woman'
first ordered and paid for her avatars.

I'm sure that -- just like mine did -- 'Woman's' first impression changed
significantly after almost 4 weeks of not receiving either avatars or a
refund.

Coree

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Jul 10, 2005, 5:11pm

You apparently missed the 4 years of business studies on it.

By the way, Coree - Your firefox is out of date and you should upgrade.

Wow, I don't even have to blow my own trumpet anymore :O

--
- Mark Randall
http://zetech.swehli.com

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Jul 10, 2005, 7:14pm

I'm hoping selling my objects won't lead to more people showing off
their CV's to look important and try to win an argument

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Jul 11, 2005, 12:57am

Hmmm...good point Builderz......If fact you all have good points but I'm not
listening to them (no offense)...and I'll tell you why. Don't take any of
this personally one side or the other, please. It is meant as factual for
litigation not as a reprimand or praise for any party involved.

Guys and gals, just for the record, "libel" is "written or recorded
slander".
"Slander contains a twofold malice, that which grows out of damage unjustly
done to our neighbor's good name."

Keyword here is "unjustly". Some businesses in this world, a majority, in
fact, use a predatory model. For instance, WelMart offers a DVD Player for
$10 and in fine print, somewhat obscure, it says "pay $100 up front, and
then send in for rebate"....How many of you have had difficulty trying to
get your rebate? That's passive predatory practice. I don't agree with it
but I live with it as you do because it is legal. If I called Welmart a
bunch of bad names because I didn't get my rebate, we don't think twice
about it but, If I went on the radio and announced that they are thieves and
thus the entire population stayed away from buying there, I would be hauled
into court in a minute. My slanderous, yet possible truthful remark had
UNJUSTLY damaged Welmart.

Now, the issue here lies, what damages were done to the buyer in a
transaction and does the "comments that allege slander" UNJUSTLY damage the
modeler here? How much has the modeler lost in relation to what the buyer
has lost? I see a buyer who THINKS their models have been sold to others
even though they were custom. If they allege that, I would hope that it can
be backed up (no offense meant here, just legal facts)... On the other hand,
if the modeler in question has taken the property from a copyrighted source,
two things can occur. 1. The modeler will be guilty of copyright
infringement which is an issue between the copyright holder and the modeler.
"No discussion should take place outside of the two primary parties lest
there be culpability on the third party also.". or 2. The modeler will break
the copyright with one of the many legal loopholes that have been revealed
in regards to copyright law. An expense to perform but very feasible. One
thing should be noted here. If the modeler breaks the existing copyright,
the buyer is now not only slanderous but also libel. What's the major
difference between the 2? About 2 million dollars in punitive damages.

Okay, what I see here is some people who feel they have been wronged due to
a predatory practice. I know you don't want to hear this but, Guess what?
You're not the first ones to feel that way in this world, I'm sorry to say.
The key here is.....did the modeler try to set things right? Did the modeler
attempt restitution? Via, a refund, alteration to design, etc..... IF I WERE
THE MODELER, I MAY OFFER EXTRA ACCESSORIES, ETC. TO COMPENSATE FOR THE
ACCIDENTAL MISUSE OF CUSTOM DESIGNED PROPERTIES THAT TRANSFERRED LICENSE TO
THE BUYER. BUT THAT'S JUST ME. (oops, how'd those caps get there?)

I'm not comfortable siding with either party in this transaction and I for
one will not take part in a verbal feud where just about everyone seems to
be kicking their feet and flailing their hands. Let's step back a second and
look at what we are trying to do here in activeworlds. I don't think there
is one modeler out there who wouldn't agree that making models for someone
not just gives a small monetary compensation but gives the modeler feelings
of good will, a feeling of accomplishment, and the knowledge that they are
being constructive in some way. But most of all, when a buyer says, "I love
it"..or "It's perfect"...gives the modeler a good feeling inside. No modeler
has specifically set out to scroo anyone. By the same token, I've seen
citizens not stand up for their rights and later say they didn't like
something on a model they bought and then turn around and badmouth the
modeler. (Which really hurts a modeler by the way). No modeler is trying to
hurt anyone...we're here because we want to help you and your worlds while
getting a small pat on the back in return. It's obviously not for the money.

An avatar takes an extremely long time to make. Ask any good avatar maker in
activeworlds. Since my start with activeworlds 18 months ago, I have seen
the extremely well done avatars go from $75 down to $10...What's wrong with
this picture? I've seen avatarists literally crying about how their rent is
going to be paid when they had to sell an avatar for less than 1/3 it's
value and the citizens saying "wow, that avatarist ripped me off". Let's get
a true perspective on what's going on here. If you went to an art gallery
and bought an oil painting, even by an unknown artist, you should expect to
pay AT A MINIMUM $100. What's the difference between someone creating a
texture with a mouse and creating a texture with a paintbrush? Not much.
Yet, the average avatar has several canvases (textures) plus the hours and
hours it took to create a 3d mesh which if you're not aware, sometimes
requires the same amount of mathematical ability as getting the apollo IX in
space.lol. And you get to buy them for just $10 most of the time. (which is
a shame.) Why did this happen? Why are they only $10? Because of comments by
people who feel they have been wrongly treated. The newsgroups are a venue
that cause wildfires. The modelers have to keep lowering their prices just
to keep the few customers that stick with them. Many primary modelers have
left activeworlds or stopped selling models (and refuse to give them away
too). Activeworld citizens have driven out some of the top modelers here.
Remember, not everyone makes models as well as Starheart, Diane, Insanity,
Elysium and others.....as a matter of fact, most modelers get burnt out
after a short time. they just don't have what it takes. So if anyone thinks
that there's always a new modeler up and coming....take a look at who made
the models you like most. I guarantee it's someone who has been working at
this for years. A professional. And, when they are gone....so are any new
models in that league.

I've heard discussion about certain modelers saying 'they cant afford food,
they cant pay for gas, etc.' and someone turns around and states things like
they are lying. I wont make any comments on either side but just beware
again of the fact that once something is written in the newsgroups, it goes
from slander to libel. I don't think in this case that the modeler harms
anyone by saying they cant afford to eat but I do believe there are
multitudes of damages applied when someone calls the modeler a liar or
"eludes to that transgression". The person who makes such remarks should be
ashamed. They are just saying these things for attention obviously. Doesn't
that person realize that every year hundreds of kids are knocking on doors
saying "I'm trying to earn my way through college" when they weren't even
accepted to college to begin with? lol. Should we slam the door on them?

I'd like to suggest 2 new newsgroups. One called "gripes and groans" which I
would implore everyone NOT to read, and the other "praises and thanks" to
which every new citizen should get automatic subscription. THIS NEWSGROUP,
on the other hand is called "community", and this posting of mine and all
the others before it, don't belong here.







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Jul 11, 2005, 12:59am

A cookie to anyone who actually reads all this. :P
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- Syntax -
http://www.swcity.net
http://forum.swcity.net

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Jul 11, 2005, 3:50am

what kind of cookie? :)
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Jul 11, 2005, 4:03am

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Andras
"It's MY computer" (tm Steve Gibson)

Jul 11, 2005, 4:33am

[View Quote] Yeah, where's mine?

Jul 11, 2005, 5:42am

Hand over that cookie bucko!! (Applauds pelican) ;-"D


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Jul 11, 2005, 9:48am

I like chocolate chip cookies ^_~
I understand wot ya saying Pelly
but.. I Bought an Avatar off her a good while back, then found she was
giving it away
now, where is the right doing in dat? and you pelly,, as a modeler
yourself
would you do dat to someone?....the community newgroups are just for that..
news to and for the community
ppl can lie, STEAL. cheat..backstab others...But no matter wot ppl say about
another
ppl will learn on their own... who they can and cant, trust,

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Jul 11, 2005, 1:39pm

Thing 2 is when Pyro came into my world and solicited herself as a modeler
and avatar maker. Only had my world open for 1 day to let a few people in
and bring their friends while I was away so that I didn't have to mess with
the world Rights etc. I never went looking for avatars. I can make my own
or buy them from a reputable seller thanks.

So bottom line is I feel harassed to say the least. But, that's not unusual
with people online because they can hide behind a borage while they get away
with crimes. I do defend myself though and always will.

...and Rapier you lose more respect each time you open your mouth.

Jul 11, 2005, 2:07pm

and mine??????

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Jul 11, 2005, 2:41pm

*barrage

Jul 11, 2005, 8:24pm

http://www.gift-baskets-4u.com/images/Cookies/Milk%20Chocolate%20Chip%20Cookie%20With%20Pecans.jpg

Props to everyone who read that :P
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- Syntax -
http://www.swcity.net
http://forum.swcity.net

Jul 11, 2005, 10:28pm

ummmmmmmmm yummy! my favorite! :P
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Jul 12, 2005, 2:29am

Pelican,

Yours was an OUTSTANDING post, and your point(s) were very well taken. Thank
you for taking the time to post such a well-written, well-thought-out
response. I have to agree that gripes/groans and the like have NO place
here, but, pardon my insistence as a "where else if not here?" mentality
takes hold of my wayward fingers and forces me to share my unhappy
experience.

Granted, these forums are not the IDEAL place to post my tale of business
woe, however, I still MUST stand by my belief that it is my DUTY as a
long-standing, contributing, rule-abiding citizen of the AW community to
share any information that may save others any undue emotional and/or
financial hardship. After all, if all I wanted to accomplish was complaining
without good reason, I could do that at the gate. =o)

That said, four things have happened since I last posted:

1) I have found a new modeler who offers good, simple work for a fair (for
both of us) price. I have great hope that our relationship will continue
along positive lines and that ours will be a long-lasting and prosperous
partnership.

2) I have -- in an attempt to set the libel and slander record straight --
located the ORIGINAL copyrighted source of all of the meshes that I
previously had questions about. (It turns out that all of PyroGodess
"original, custom" avatars are, in fact, 5-minute .mdl to .rwx file
conversions from the game Neverwinter Nights and its many incarnations.)
That makes me sad, but, I can't say it was unexpected.

3) I have contacted AW again and also contacted bioware (the maker of
Neverwinter Nights) and disclosed what I know. Converting the files for
personal use? I'm sure that was OK. However, RE-SELLING the meshes as
original, custom works might present PyroGoddess with a problem. At this
point, I'm leaving it in the capable hands of both AW and bioware. I'm sure
they'll know what to do from here.

4) I've learned a very valuable lesson about trusting people and taking them
at face value.

*heavy sigh* So, what to do now? I paid $360.00 for six avatars that I now
KNOW are stolen.

Knowing that, I can't very well use them in good-faith, can I?

So, ya' think 'PyroGoddess' will refund my $360.00?

Thanks again for posting, Pelican.

Coree

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Jul 12, 2005, 4:33am

Yes Builderz I do, I was fooled like many others were! It surely would be a
different story if this happened to you now would'nt it? The truth always
comes out! you will see, I don't know who you are or care for that matter.
This is a community newsgroup and I am part of that group... Thank You!
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Jul 12, 2005, 6:44pm

I bought some avatars from Pyro and have never had any problems with her
sending the files over quickly after payment.

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Jul 12, 2005, 8:51pm

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LordFett:

I'm don't doubt that some people had a really good experience purchasing =
avatars from Pyro. However, I'm also sure that at least the same number =
of people had a really negative experience.

That said, it's all a mute point at this juncture. I've heard back from =
Atari (the owner of the copyrighted models and avatars she's selling), =
and, they've assured me that the matter has been forwarded on to their =
legal departmnent for review and action. Funny thing is, all of the =
people who are posting here in the newsies that they've purchased stolen =
avatars from her? They're helping to seal her wicked fate.

It's a shame it came to this. For what they are (5-minute file .mdl to =
..rwx conversions), she should have just GIVEN those avatars away, made a =
ton of people really happy and saved herself this nasty, little issue of =
criminal copyright infringement and possible prosecution.

Still Amazed at Pyro's Nerve,
Coree

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Jul 12, 2005, 9:13pm

"That said, it's all a mute point at this juncture." I believe it's called
a moot point.

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