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Nov 26, 2005, 7:45am

OT response:

Know what, DS Dark Scoprpion? When I read Strike's overly-dramatic post
about how big, bad AW had turned against little, ol' him and was
threatening to SUE him ... *yikes!* ... well, the first word that popped
in to my head was "KARMA".

Funny how we reached the same conclusion, dontchathink? =o)

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Jul 20, 2005, 7:00pm

Hiya!

Magsbot can cycle a .mid playlist, and -- from what I hear -- is quite
reliable. And, as an added bonus, Magine provides better-than-average tech
support for her bot.

http://www.turtleflight.com/mbh/mh_quick.htm#midi

=o)
Coree

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Jul 19, 2005, 9:59pm

Hello, everyone!

I know that it's possible to record an avatar's last known in-world position
in a text file (I believe the tourist guard bot is one bot that records this
data).

That said, is either the Preston, Xela or Magsbot able to return an avatar
to its last know position after it re-enters the world after being away for
an extended period of time?

If not, is someone out there capable of / willing to write a script that can
accomplish this?

Thanks in advance!

Coree

Sep 2, 2005, 11:21pm

Thanks, Mauz! I'll try that right away!

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Jul 8, 2005, 3:37am

Anyone care to comment on the below chat?

Immigration Officer: Welcome to MaddSale, Coree
Pyro Goddess: Hello Coree
Coree: Hello, Pyro. =o) I think I just sent a tgram to a stranger!
Pyro Goddess: lol maybe
Coree: BRB
Pyro Goddess: I thought you weren't gonna buy from me anymore?
Coree: I wasn't, Pyro. I'm just a bit confused as to our deal. It's been
SUCH a struggle to keep things straight with you.
Coree: Did we not pay you for exclusive avatars?
Pyro Goddess: yes
Pyro Goddess: and I sent everything
Coree: Right, so, why -- if our avatars are exclusives -- is the ICE male
for sale on your website?
Pyro Goddess: because my site hasn't been updated in a long time
Pyro Goddess: no one else has bought him tho
Pyro Goddess: Its planned to be done this weekend
Coree: Well, I was there last week looking around, and the ICE male wasn't
there. He's there this week, so, a "long time" is less than 7 days, right?
Pyro Goddess: No
Pyro Goddess: My site hasn't changed in 3 months
Pyro Goddess: at least
Coree: Listen - I'm more than a bit miffed, Pyro. I made a deal with you in
good faith, and it's been nothing but trouble. I paid you WELL, and on time
for a more than fair deal.
Coree: What would you do if you were me?
Pyro Goddess: I would understand that there was a mistake and not get all
huffy about it
Coree: Do you do this with all of your customers? Because, if so, you are
going to run out of business really soon.
Pyro Goddess: No, I don't
Coree: Pyro - It took you over 4 months to deliver on avatars that I paid
you WAY too much money for. You made every excuse in the book -- all of them
personal in nature and having nothing to do with our business deal.
Coree: Now, every time I mention to someone that I bought avatars from Pyro,
they laugh at me! How embarassing is that?!
Coree: What do they know that I don't?
Pyro Goddess: I dunno what you're talking about
Coree: You're bold enough to sell the I, Robot avatar on your site for
$10.00. It's all over the Internet for free, with a copyright.
Pyro Goddess: Its one I made
Coree: Every avatar creator that I've spoken with is busy trying to figure
out who you are borrowing avatars from. Also, they all say they're surprised
you even delivered on the avatars I did pay for, but that what you sold me
should have been $10 or less.
Coree: I, Robot is in Freebies world with a copyright to someone else.
Pyro Goddess: This ends now Coree
Pyro Goddess: I have no clue what you are talking about
Coree: No. Wait. Why shut me down?
Coree: Why not work this through?
Pyro Goddess: other than the site being updated this weekend there's nothing
else to argue here
Pyro Goddess: because, I work too damn hard for ppl to be yelling at me over
bullshit
Coree: This isn't an arguement. This is about you taking full advantage of
me.
Pyro Goddess: I sent the av's
Pyro Goddess: I've concluded our deal
Coree: Yes. It took you 4 months, and a threat of legal action.
Pyro Goddess: yet, our deal is concluded
Coree: This is about you seeing me coming from a mile away and ripping me
off.
Pyro Goddess: Goodevening Coree
Coree: ::nodding::
Coree: OK.
Coree: I see how you're gonna be.
Coree: Best of luck to you, and, good luck finding business.
Coree: I'll make sure to post this chat in the AW forum.
Coree: Take good care, Pyro.

Jul 8, 2005, 6:52am

Hello, Tony and Seiya. Thank you for taking the time to respond to my above
post.

To clarify: My above chat log was not an attempt to further my argument with
the seller in a public forum, but, rather, was an attempt to solicit advice
and/or warn others about the seller's shady business practices.

It was posted without any additional comments so that I might receive an
unbiased set of responses on my specific situation as well as to warn others
of potential problems with this seller. I now see that perhaps a preamble
might have been appropriate soliciting advice and/or similar concerns with
this seller.

After posting the above thread here, I then saw that there was a 'world
builders' forum where this thread could be more appropriately listed.

Thank you for your comments.

Coree

Jul 8, 2005, 3:17pm

Hi, Paul!

Thanks for responding!

When I say "custom", I suppose I'm being misleading!

The avatars I purchased were already created and available (visible) on her
world's avatar menu when I purchased them. I was only paying for exclusive
use of the mesh at $60.00 each, while she retained the right to re-texture
them and re-sell the mesh as a different, "modified" avatar.

For $360.00, all she had to do was zip them up and send them on, with
existing textures and sequences!

Thanks for your response!

Coree


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Jul 8, 2005, 3:33pm

Orb -

I'm truly sorry that you almost got taken for a ride ... and pleased I could
offer you a bit of fair warning. That said, perhaps not *everyone* will have
a bad buying experience with PyroGoddess, but, Let the Buyer Beware!

My experience with purchasing avatars from PyroGoddess was WAY less than
good! It took me 4 months to get 6 avatars that I paid $360.00 for! Yikes!
She saw me coming from a MILE away! Those same avatars are now on sale on
her Website and in MaddSale for $4.00 each (as opposed to the $60.00 EACH
that I paid)!

I paid her 1/2 of the money up-front ($180.00), and, at 3 months in to the
deal, I was told her husband -- who had just gotten out of jail -- had
"accidentally sold" my last 2 avatars to someone else. I finally received my
last 2 avatars after 4 MONTHS, and only after threatening legal action!

All along the way were MANY excuses as to why she was unable to deliver
avatars, textures or sequences --

"my server crashed" ...
"I'm having computer problems" ...
"my husband does that part (and he's in jail)" ...
"I'll send them tonight" ...
"I'll send them tomorrow" ...
"I'm on my grandmother's computer right now" ...
"I have nowhere to live" ... "
"I'll send them as soon as I have somewhere to
live" ...
"I have to re-make the
textures/sequences/etc" ...
"My husband accidentally sold your
avatars to someone else" ...

As of this date, 2 of the avatars still do not have moving wing sequences,
as promised. For the $360.00 that I sent her, we agreed she would also
assist me with creating an avatar.dat file. That hasn't happened either! She
even asked me for a additional $10.00 payment via PayPal so she could buy
food for her children ... within 24 hours of me sending her $180.00, via
PayPal!

My Long story short:
We agreed to purchase avatars from Pyro Goddess on 17 February 2005.
We sent our first payment for 6 avatars on March 26, 2005.
We received the last of our 6 avatars on June 20, 2005.
It was trouble all along the way!

For the amount of money I paid her for SIX avatars -- all in good faith and
as soon as my order was placed -- I could have purchased THIRTY-SIX avatars
elewhere and saved myself a lot of hassle!

Sad, really ... if PyroGoddess were a better business person, I would have
purchased ALL of my avatars and items from her exclusively. She does good
work.

But, then again, I've heard that her avatars and objects are "re-textures"
of someone else's work. But, that another story.

Best of Luck, Orb!

If you find somewhere for me to buy high-quality, monster avatars, let me
know!


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Jul 10, 2005, 3:05am

TheMask and TonyM:

While I fully understand that YOU might not be interested in someone ELSE
getting ripped off, this newsgroup is marked COMMUNITY, and, as far as I can
tell, I, 'Woman', PyroGoddess and both of YOU are all a part of that
community group.

I know of no other forum in the Active Worlds COMMUNITY that is available
for people to speak with one-another, get support from one-another or
discuss any active-worlds-related issues aside from these newsgroups.
Further, the Activeworlds newsgroups Web page states " Activeworlds hosts
several different support newsgroups. Anyone may view the posts and
information in these newsgroups; ..."

Near as I can recall, the freedoms that we all fight to defend include the
right to free speech, and, that means we're ALL free to solicit advice, warn
our fellow citizens and post our opinions about situations, individuals or
corporations in whatever manner we see fit, so long as what we post is not
libelous or slander.

Our posts here are meant to both solicit advice as well as warn others of a
potentially harmful business situation. Furthermore, 'Woman', Myself (and
even Pyro Goddess) are staying within those guidelines, have been (mostly)
courteous and well-spoken to everyone here and have not infringed upon
anyone else's right to post whatever they like. I challenge you both to live
up to those same standards.

In the mean time -- while you are struggling to hold your tongues -- kindly
move on if the post in question does not interest you.

Coree

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Jul 10, 2005, 8:39am

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Strike Rapier,

You said:

From www.websters.com -=20

li=B7bel ( P ) Pronunciation Key (lbl)
n.=20
1.. A false publication, as in writing, print, signs, or pictures, =
that damages a person's reputation

I hate to burst your politically correct bubble, StrikeRapier, however, =
ALL of the material that I have presented in this newsgroup is 1) my =
personal, first-hand experience and 2) 100% true, and can be documented =
as such. Hence, no libel here.

If PyroGoddess is choosing to run her business in a manner that is =
un-professional, shady or otherwise potentially harmful to her bottom =
line, that is HER issue and something that WILL get around via the =
grapevine (as has been the case with businesses for thousands of years)! =
My DUTY as a member of the AW community is to make sure that both AWI =
and my peers have access to the information that I have so as to prevent =
others from being taken for a ride.

I have written to AWI. I have written in the newsgroups. I am doing as I =
SHOULD do, as is my moral obligation to my peers and community.

Are you an educated consumer, Strike Rapier? If so, perhaps you can tell =
me how people who run their business like PyroGoddess' stay in business? =
My guess is that they depend on the old saying that "there's a sucker =
born every minute".

Also, I would imagine that most people don't file charges or that =
'PyroGoddess' has just been bending the law to the breaking point =
instead of actually breaking it. After all, I DID finally receive my =
avatars (after 4 months and threatening legal action), and I almost got =
what I ordered (except for any avatar sequences or an avatar.dat file).

To date, I have personally spoken with 5 people who have also claimed =
that their business dealings with 'PyroGoddess' have been less than =
stellar. Two of those people claim that 'PyroGoddess' still owes them =
either avatars or a payment refund and has -- thus far -- delivered =
neither.

It cost me $360.00 and 4 months of aggravation to learn that she can not =
be trusted as a business person. If I can save someone that emotional =
and financial cost, I will do everything in my power to do so.


1) That's "written", not "wrote", and
2) as I said above -- while you are struggling to hold your tongue -- =
kindly move on if the post in question does not interest you.

I stand by my conviction that 'Community' has a responsibility to =
protect as well as support it's members.

Thank you for your comments.

Coree

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>You said:</FONT></DIV>
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every=20
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just been=20
bending&nbsp;the law to the breaking point instead of&nbsp;actually =
breaking it.=20
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threatening=20
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avatar=20
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5 people who=20
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save=20
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power to=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&gt;&gt;"not a single thing you have =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>1) That's "written", not "wrote", =
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are struggling=20
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question=20
does not interest you.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I stand by my conviction that =
'Community' has a=20
responsibility to protect as well as support it's members.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thank you for your =
comments.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Coree</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>"Strike Rapier" &lt;</FONT><A=20
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Jul 10, 2005, 3:30pm

Strike Rapier,

This Web page --->>> http://zetech.swehli.com/roa/ <<<--- which links to
your signature below?
This is YOUR Curriculum Vitae, correct?

You are ...


.... are you not?

If so, you either left a TON of important education out of your CV, or, the
only "BUSINESS" training you've had is the group competition that you
entered at ages 10 and 11:


Furthermore -- at your present ripe, old age of 19 -- you appear to have
held a grand total of ONE (1) summer-of-2005, NON-retail job:


You do, however, know a TON about computers and programming!
Congratulations! =o)

Now, here is MY CV:
http://www.good-wench.com/Mutation/AWResume.htm
I currently OWN a part-time retail business, run a full-time biomedical
repair contracting business and have had more jobs and more successful
business partnerships than you have had years alive, so, stay in your
"business" league, Kiddo. Perhaps you should throw away all of those
textbooks and do a little living before you presume to have an educated
opinion, hmmmm?

My guess? You're simply a young, nosy computer geek who thinks they know
everything.

But then again, that's just my non-libelous opinion. *grin*

Thank you for your (plain text) comments!

Coree


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Jul 10, 2005, 3:39pm

Builderz,

Just an observation, but, according to Pyro's record of their
transaction(http://www.pyrosmaddness.com/womansrefund.jpg )
that guestbook post appears to have been made the day that 'Woman'
first ordered and paid for her avatars.

I'm sure that -- just like mine did -- 'Woman's' first impression changed
significantly after almost 4 weeks of not receiving either avatars or a
refund.

Coree

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Jul 12, 2005, 2:29am

Pelican,

Yours was an OUTSTANDING post, and your point(s) were very well taken. Thank
you for taking the time to post such a well-written, well-thought-out
response. I have to agree that gripes/groans and the like have NO place
here, but, pardon my insistence as a "where else if not here?" mentality
takes hold of my wayward fingers and forces me to share my unhappy
experience.

Granted, these forums are not the IDEAL place to post my tale of business
woe, however, I still MUST stand by my belief that it is my DUTY as a
long-standing, contributing, rule-abiding citizen of the AW community to
share any information that may save others any undue emotional and/or
financial hardship. After all, if all I wanted to accomplish was complaining
without good reason, I could do that at the gate. =o)

That said, four things have happened since I last posted:

1) I have found a new modeler who offers good, simple work for a fair (for
both of us) price. I have great hope that our relationship will continue
along positive lines and that ours will be a long-lasting and prosperous
partnership.

2) I have -- in an attempt to set the libel and slander record straight --
located the ORIGINAL copyrighted source of all of the meshes that I
previously had questions about. (It turns out that all of PyroGodess
"original, custom" avatars are, in fact, 5-minute .mdl to .rwx file
conversions from the game Neverwinter Nights and its many incarnations.)
That makes me sad, but, I can't say it was unexpected.

3) I have contacted AW again and also contacted bioware (the maker of
Neverwinter Nights) and disclosed what I know. Converting the files for
personal use? I'm sure that was OK. However, RE-SELLING the meshes as
original, custom works might present PyroGoddess with a problem. At this
point, I'm leaving it in the capable hands of both AW and bioware. I'm sure
they'll know what to do from here.

4) I've learned a very valuable lesson about trusting people and taking them
at face value.

*heavy sigh* So, what to do now? I paid $360.00 for six avatars that I now
KNOW are stolen.

Knowing that, I can't very well use them in good-faith, can I?

So, ya' think 'PyroGoddess' will refund my $360.00?

Thanks again for posting, Pelican.

Coree

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Jul 12, 2005, 8:51pm

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LordFett:

I'm don't doubt that some people had a really good experience purchasing =
avatars from Pyro. However, I'm also sure that at least the same number =
of people had a really negative experience.

That said, it's all a mute point at this juncture. I've heard back from =
Atari (the owner of the copyrighted models and avatars she's selling), =
and, they've assured me that the matter has been forwarded on to their =
legal departmnent for review and action. Funny thing is, all of the =
people who are posting here in the newsies that they've purchased stolen =
avatars from her? They're helping to seal her wicked fate.

It's a shame it came to this. For what they are (5-minute file .mdl to =
..rwx conversions), she should have just GIVEN those avatars away, made a =
ton of people really happy and saved herself this nasty, little issue of =
criminal copyright infringement and possible prosecution.

Still Amazed at Pyro's Nerve,
Coree

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Jul 12, 2005, 11:25pm

Gnu32:

Yes, you missed a significant amount of information.

First, although your perception is one of everyone "arguing", I beg to
differ. I rather think MOST of the posts here were meant to inform. That
said, if you'll scan back through all of the newsgroup posts here that I've
made, I believe you'll see that I have, instead, presented facts and had
some calm, respectful conversation with everyone. Well, aside from my almost
losing my temper with StrikeRapier, which is understandable. =o)

Yes, what I said above is true. The avatars that PyroGoddess has been
selling are, in fact, .mdl to .rwx conversions from the game 'Neverwinter
Nights', which is owned by Atari.

Since my first port, I have sent ActiveWorlds, Atari and bioware, Inc (the
distributor of the Neverwinter Nights game) a detailed explanation as to the
circumstances of my purchasing their copyrighted meshes and textures from
PyroGoddess, as well as a ton of supporting documentation (photos of what I
purchased, links to PyroGodess' web site and photos of her in-world models
for sale, photos of their OWN models, etc.) which makes it ABUNDANTLY clear
that PyroGoddess is selling EXACT duplicates of their copyrighted material.

I have since heard back from Atari who has 1) thanked me for the information
and supporting documentation, as well as 2) assured me that everything was
being forwarded to their legal department.

And so, the issue is now in the capable hands of AW and Atari. I would hope
their judgement is swift and fair, for all parties' sake.

Thank you for your comments.

Coree

PS - Please see the above post titled 'recent badmouthing' for my original
disclosure of my discovery.
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Jul 11, 2005, 5:23am

Pelican,

Yours was an OUTSTANDING post, and your point(s) were very well taken. Thank
you for taking the time to post such a well-written, well-thought-out
response. I have to agree that gripes/groans and the like have NO place
here, but, pardon my insistence as a "where else if not here?" mentality
takes hold of my wayward fingers and forces me to share my unhappy
experience.

Granted, these forums are not the IDEAL place to post my tale of business
woe, however, I still MUST stand by my belief that it is my DUTY as a
long-standing, contributing, rule-abiding citizen of the AW community to
share any information that may save others any undue emotional and/or
financial hardship. After all, if all I wanted to accomplish was complaining
without good reason, I could do that at the gate. =o)

That said, four things have happened since I last posted:

1) I have found a new modeler who offers good, simple work for a fair (for
both of us) price. I have great hope that our relationship will continue
along positive lines and that ours will be a long-lasting and prosperous
partnership.

2) I have -- in an attempt to set the libel and slander record straight --
located the ORIGINAL copyrighted source of all of the meshes that I
previously had questions about. (It turns out that all of PyroGodess
"original, custom" avatars are, in fact, 5-minute .mdl to .rwx file
conversions from the game Neverwinter Nights and its many incarnations.)
That makes me sad, but, I can't say it was unexpected.

3) I have contacted AW again and also contacted bioware (the maker of
Neverwinter Nights) and disclosed what I know. Converting the files for
personal use? I'm sure that was OK. However, RE-SELLING the meshes as
original, custom works might present PyroGoddess with a problem. At this
point, I'm leaving it in the capable hands of both AW and bioware. I'm sure
they'll know what to do from here.

4) I've learned a very valuable lesson about trusting people and taking them
at face value.

*heavy sigh* So, what to do now? I paid $360.00 for six avatars that I now
KNOW are stolen.

Knowing that, I can't very well use them in good-faith, can I?

So, ya' think 'PyroGoddess' will refund my $360.00?

Thanks again for posting, Pelican.

Coree

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Jul 14, 2005, 1:53am

ORB - Don't let him make you insane. In another 20 years, he'll realize what
a prat he was. =o)

" The test of good manners is to be able to put up pleasantly with bad
ones."
- Wendell L. Willkie, 1892-1944 American Businessman, Presidential
Candidate

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PS - I'm a female. *s*


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Jul 14, 2005, 2:46am

ubermonkey said: "Try putting up pleasantly with my manners, let's see how
long you can
do it."

As long as you can dish it out, prolly.

=o)


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Jul 14, 2005, 6:27am

Hello, ubermonkey:

First, let me thank you for calling me a 'fucktard'. It's not often that I'm
labelled something so very colurful. =o)

Second, my above comment was not meant to support either ORB's behavior in
chat or their decision to post that chat to the newsgroups. Rather, my post
was intended to calm ORB's eternally raging anger towards Strike Rapier,
which -- in my most humble of opinions -- is a waste of good breath.

As for putting up with your manners (or lack thereof), I have no problem
with doing so endlessly, and doing so with a genuine smile. You see, I bear
you no ill will whatsover. How could I? I don't even know you.

I would venture a guess, thought, that the breakdown of your ability to
communicate without being rude is simply the result of your not being aware
of the very thing that you are accusing others of -- your lack of humanity
and empathy for your fellow man (or woman, as the case may be), and your
unwillingness to see the effect that you words might have on someone else.

There is a reason that we, as a society, have general rules of good
behavior. They are similar regardless of country, language or religion, and
provide us with a measure of ourselves when compared to the rest of society.
Of course, they all include the big nasties: "Dont kill folks, don't steal
stuff, don't jump on your neighbor's babe", etc.

However, alongside those obvious toe-steppers are the teensy rules of
behavior that just generally make life more pleasant when we practice them:
"Please do not insult others (sic) by the use of inflammatory or offensive
statements or images. Refrain from expressions of bigotry, racism, hatred,
or profanity. Please do not harass others, including verbal abuse or
personal attacks ..."

Sound familiar? It should. The above is taken directly from the Active
Worlds conduct guidelines, and I can't figure out why -- if we all do our
best to adhere to those guidelines while in AW chat -- that we wouldn't try
to do the same here. After all, no matter what your opinion on a subject, it
should NEVER be too difficult to shove your your angst and anger down
someone's throat along with a big, fat slice of genuine, old-fashioned good
manners.

And? If you just can't seem to hold your tongue long enough to do that? I
wish you much luck in life.

That you for your comments, ubermonkey.

Coree

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Jul 21, 2005, 10:46pm

Hello, Elyk:

I've experienced problems with the AFK status, also. I have myself on my
contacts list as well, and, my problem has been that I DON'T see myself as
AFK at all! I noticed the problem the first time about a month ago, and,
previously, everything was working as normal.

I can't offer you any assistance, but to confirm that I have a similar
problem.

You're not crazy. =o)

Coree

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Nov 21, 2005, 11:56pm

[View Quote] Forgive me for jumping in here, but, if what you said above is true,
that sounds frighteningly like a kid saying "neener-neener" ... instead
of a corporation trying to develop or improve a product that will keep
its long-time user-base happy while also learning how best to cater to
an up-and-coming, Internet-savvy market.

If what you said above is true, I wish AW and its crew all the best of
luck. They're going to need it.

Nov 22, 2005, 1:49am

SW Chris said:
"reacting without having enough information"

----------

It would be nice if AW took some time time to allay some of our
well-founded fears. Although we, as long-standing citizens,
knowledgeable AW users and world builders, are not the bulk of AWIs
income, we are their future, as far as continued word-of-mouth
advertising is concerned. (I included my first link on my homepage to
the AW browser back in 1995, and it's still there.)

I, for one, (along with my group) have invested a HUGE amount of time,
effort and money in to a new world. We have spent the last 9 months
terraforming, building and perfecting its features. We are actively
hiring professional programmers to create a new, full-featured bot.
We have also spent and will continue to spend an extensive amount of
money on world hosting, OP hosting, Web hosting, object creation, avatar
creation, bot programming, etc.

Naturally, given that AW 4.1 and the new AW SDK are expected out some
time soon, we are concerned about allowing our programmers to create
something that may become obsolete right away. We are also concerned
that all of the avatars and objects we've purchased will also become
obsolete as soon as the new version of AW is released.

As soon as we realized that the new version of AW/SDK might present us
with some problems, we wrote AW a lengthy email. We asked for some
direction as to what we should do about continuing with our programmers
and our bot project. Should we wait? We asked for some advice as to
whether or not we should continue with the creation and purchase of
objects and avatars. We asked if our new bot, already-existing objects
and avatars and completely-built world would be compatible with the new
version of software and SDK. Can we modify it all later?

To date, we have yet to receive a return email from AWI.

Why the secrecy from AWI? Instead of creating excitement, this brand of
secrecy only feeds the rumor mill and breeds dissatisfaction with the
lack of communication with their existing community members. Why does AW
not respond here, in the NGs, to their users? Why do they not have a
forum anywhere on their site where they can answer questions post
updates, or list exciting news?

I think for the most part that people here, in the NGs, are capable of
open, effective, respectful communication (aside from maybe Strike
Rapier). *grin* Also, the 'wish list' includes some of the very best
ideas I've seen so far! And, even Strike, with his big, old, obnoxious
mouth has a good idea or two (see his outgoing t-gram script).

So, AWI? Listen up! We WANT to continue to support you and we WANT to
respect your efforts, but, you MUST treat your long-standing citizens
with the same, well-earned respect! We've hung in there for YEARS,
always believing in your vision. Please believe in your fans, their
ideas and suggestions for improvement, and their constructive criticism.
In the end, we're really all you've got.

Nov 18, 2005, 9:02pm

And, all of AW's controls can be configured by going to:

>Options>Configure Controls

from within the AW browser.

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