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Jul 8, 2005, 3:37am

Anyone care to comment on the below chat?

Immigration Officer: Welcome to MaddSale, Coree
Pyro Goddess: Hello Coree
Coree: Hello, Pyro. =o) I think I just sent a tgram to a stranger!
Pyro Goddess: lol maybe
Coree: BRB
Pyro Goddess: I thought you weren't gonna buy from me anymore?
Coree: I wasn't, Pyro. I'm just a bit confused as to our deal. It's been
SUCH a struggle to keep things straight with you.
Coree: Did we not pay you for exclusive avatars?
Pyro Goddess: yes
Pyro Goddess: and I sent everything
Coree: Right, so, why -- if our avatars are exclusives -- is the ICE male
for sale on your website?
Pyro Goddess: because my site hasn't been updated in a long time
Pyro Goddess: no one else has bought him tho
Pyro Goddess: Its planned to be done this weekend
Coree: Well, I was there last week looking around, and the ICE male wasn't
there. He's there this week, so, a "long time" is less than 7 days, right?
Pyro Goddess: No
Pyro Goddess: My site hasn't changed in 3 months
Pyro Goddess: at least
Coree: Listen - I'm more than a bit miffed, Pyro. I made a deal with you in
good faith, and it's been nothing but trouble. I paid you WELL, and on time
for a more than fair deal.
Coree: What would you do if you were me?
Pyro Goddess: I would understand that there was a mistake and not get all
huffy about it
Coree: Do you do this with all of your customers? Because, if so, you are
going to run out of business really soon.
Pyro Goddess: No, I don't
Coree: Pyro - It took you over 4 months to deliver on avatars that I paid
you WAY too much money for. You made every excuse in the book -- all of them
personal in nature and having nothing to do with our business deal.
Coree: Now, every time I mention to someone that I bought avatars from Pyro,
they laugh at me! How embarassing is that?!
Coree: What do they know that I don't?
Pyro Goddess: I dunno what you're talking about
Coree: You're bold enough to sell the I, Robot avatar on your site for
$10.00. It's all over the Internet for free, with a copyright.
Pyro Goddess: Its one I made
Coree: Every avatar creator that I've spoken with is busy trying to figure
out who you are borrowing avatars from. Also, they all say they're surprised
you even delivered on the avatars I did pay for, but that what you sold me
should have been $10 or less.
Coree: I, Robot is in Freebies world with a copyright to someone else.
Pyro Goddess: This ends now Coree
Pyro Goddess: I have no clue what you are talking about
Coree: No. Wait. Why shut me down?
Coree: Why not work this through?
Pyro Goddess: other than the site being updated this weekend there's nothing
else to argue here
Pyro Goddess: because, I work too damn hard for ppl to be yelling at me over
bullshit
Coree: This isn't an arguement. This is about you taking full advantage of
me.
Pyro Goddess: I sent the av's
Pyro Goddess: I've concluded our deal
Coree: Yes. It took you 4 months, and a threat of legal action.
Pyro Goddess: yet, our deal is concluded
Coree: This is about you seeing me coming from a mile away and ripping me
off.
Pyro Goddess: Goodevening Coree
Coree: ::nodding::
Coree: OK.
Coree: I see how you're gonna be.
Coree: Best of luck to you, and, good luck finding business.
Coree: I'll make sure to post this chat in the AW forum.
Coree: Take good care, Pyro.

Jul 8, 2005, 4:52am

I don't know about anyone else, but I for one am getting sick and tired of this newsgroup being used as a chatlog repository whenever people get into disputes.

I understand that you may be having business difficulties and may want to warn people. Fine. Warn your friends via telegrams, but by posting this in a public forum you are certainly not helping anything. You are only damaging a business' reputation based on a single chat log, which is quite easy to fake.

This doesn't belong in the newsgroup. This belongs between you and Pyro Goddess, and possibly a court of law if you are so inclined.

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Jul 8, 2005, 6:25am

I am with you on this Tony, sorry for your "troubles" Coree, but I believe
it is a poor reflection on a community when its members are unable to keep
their quarrels and prejudices out of the public news forum.

I for one am sore of it, and come on guys seriously, we all talk about
making AW come alive, lets not promote "death" in its verbal form, in these
public forums.

Jul 8, 2005, 6:40am

hmm looks like a fake any one notice no typos and gramaticaly corect
capitalisations usualy dont see that in caht do you ?

Jul 8, 2005, 6:52am

Hello, Tony and Seiya. Thank you for taking the time to respond to my above
post.

To clarify: My above chat log was not an attempt to further my argument with
the seller in a public forum, but, rather, was an attempt to solicit advice
and/or warn others about the seller's shady business practices.

It was posted without any additional comments so that I might receive an
unbiased set of responses on my specific situation as well as to warn others
of potential problems with this seller. I now see that perhaps a preamble
might have been appropriate soliciting advice and/or similar concerns with
this seller.

After posting the above thread here, I then saw that there was a 'world
builders' forum where this thread could be more appropriately listed.

Thank you for your comments.

Coree

Jul 8, 2005, 8:51am

If you got custom avatars at anything close to $10 then you got a deal.
I sure wouldn't sell you an avatar for $10 as hard as they are to make and
an avatar for you to have exclusive usage right to would cost you a lot more
than $10.
If Pyro made you more than one or 2 avatars then 4 months is not necessarily
a long time to take to make them depending on what other projects may have
been in the works.
Of course I work a little differently that some modelers in that I don't
charge or accept payment until the work is completed and the models have
been seen. That way if for some reason it takes longer - well that's life
and you don't have to buy them.

Paul

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Jul 8, 2005, 12:30pm

Yipes, I was about to buy some avs from her too. Went to MaddSale and saw
the avs... several on the avs list I wanted to purchase. Next day those avs
are off the list but I'm told that one of those I had been interested in was
available.. the next day I'm told that a different av from that list is
available...guess that was the beginning of the jack me stage. So I ask how
do I pay for the avs I want and get them? She said send me the money via
PayPal or a money order, and I'll fill the order myself. I suggested I'd
much rather pay (through PayPal) and be able to download a zipped file since
the avatars are already completed, as is the usual custom in a PayPal
transaction. She said no I can't do that because someone has hacked my site
.... Coree, Thank you for the warning !

Jul 8, 2005, 3:17pm

Hi, Paul!

Thanks for responding!

When I say "custom", I suppose I'm being misleading!

The avatars I purchased were already created and available (visible) on her
world's avatar menu when I purchased them. I was only paying for exclusive
use of the mesh at $60.00 each, while she retained the right to re-texture
them and re-sell the mesh as a different, "modified" avatar.

For $360.00, all she had to do was zip them up and send them on, with
existing textures and sequences!

Thanks for your response!

Coree


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Jul 8, 2005, 3:33pm

Orb -

I'm truly sorry that you almost got taken for a ride ... and pleased I could
offer you a bit of fair warning. That said, perhaps not *everyone* will have
a bad buying experience with PyroGoddess, but, Let the Buyer Beware!

My experience with purchasing avatars from PyroGoddess was WAY less than
good! It took me 4 months to get 6 avatars that I paid $360.00 for! Yikes!
She saw me coming from a MILE away! Those same avatars are now on sale on
her Website and in MaddSale for $4.00 each (as opposed to the $60.00 EACH
that I paid)!

I paid her 1/2 of the money up-front ($180.00), and, at 3 months in to the
deal, I was told her husband -- who had just gotten out of jail -- had
"accidentally sold" my last 2 avatars to someone else. I finally received my
last 2 avatars after 4 MONTHS, and only after threatening legal action!

All along the way were MANY excuses as to why she was unable to deliver
avatars, textures or sequences --

"my server crashed" ...
"I'm having computer problems" ...
"my husband does that part (and he's in jail)" ...
"I'll send them tonight" ...
"I'll send them tomorrow" ...
"I'm on my grandmother's computer right now" ...
"I have nowhere to live" ... "
"I'll send them as soon as I have somewhere to
live" ...
"I have to re-make the
textures/sequences/etc" ...
"My husband accidentally sold your
avatars to someone else" ...

As of this date, 2 of the avatars still do not have moving wing sequences,
as promised. For the $360.00 that I sent her, we agreed she would also
assist me with creating an avatar.dat file. That hasn't happened either! She
even asked me for a additional $10.00 payment via PayPal so she could buy
food for her children ... within 24 hours of me sending her $180.00, via
PayPal!

My Long story short:
We agreed to purchase avatars from Pyro Goddess on 17 February 2005.
We sent our first payment for 6 avatars on March 26, 2005.
We received the last of our 6 avatars on June 20, 2005.
It was trouble all along the way!

For the amount of money I paid her for SIX avatars -- all in good faith and
as soon as my order was placed -- I could have purchased THIRTY-SIX avatars
elewhere and saved myself a lot of hassle!

Sad, really ... if PyroGoddess were a better business person, I would have
purchased ALL of my avatars and items from her exclusively. She does good
work.

But, then again, I've heard that her avatars and objects are "re-textures"
of someone else's work. But, that another story.

Best of Luck, Orb!

If you find somewhere for me to buy high-quality, monster avatars, let me
know!


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Jul 8, 2005, 5:55pm

Coree,

I don't know all of the details regarding your beef with Pyro, but let
me share my experiences with her. She was a world hosting customer of
mine for several months and had a good track record of paying on time.
I've been friends with her for a few months. Just this week I purchased
two avatars from her world MaddSale that were $3.00 each, which I
thought was a very good deal.

She informed me that she suffered a small stroke and was having some
difficulties as of late. I told her not to rush since I didn't need the
avatars by any particular date. However, she was able to send me the two
avatars, along with their textures, within 48 hours after I paid via
PayPal. I password protected them, put them on my path and they work
fine in my world. For $6.00, I think I got a nice deal.

As far as the I, Robot or other avatars go, I can't comment on the
legality of selling avatars that may be trademarked or copyrighted.
However, I have seen Star Wars and Reboot avatars for sale in the past
by others.

-Builderz

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Jul 8, 2005, 7:08pm

I agree - personal talks do not belong in this newsgroup nor in any
other!




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Jul 8, 2005, 9:06pm

I type like that in chat quite often, actually.

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Jul 9, 2005, 12:37am

Hehe.... She,s REally Bad off with her health....she has no money...Cant,
Feed her Kids....We All heard her .....mmm.. Excuses,.... Coree,, you aint,
the only one she,s done this way

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Jul 9, 2005, 5:46am

Hi Coree,
Sorry to hear about your expierence with Pyro Goddess. As I am having the
same problem. I ordered a custom av about a month ago and paid for it at the
time i ordered it. Well today July 9 2005 I don't have my Avatar or refund!!
I will be writiing to AW NEWS and Better Business Bureau. I hope citizens
read this so they don't have to go through this like we did.
WOMAN
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Jul 9, 2005, 5:49am

Hi Coree,
Sorry to hear about your expierence with Pyro Goddess. As I am having the
same problem. I ordered a custom av about a month ago and paid for it at the
time i ordered it. Well today July 9 2005 I don't have my Avatar or refund!!
I will be writiing to AW NEWS and Better Business Bureau. I hope citizens
read this so they don't have to go through this like we did.
WOMAN
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Jul 9, 2005, 3:04pm

hmm...looks like a refund to me www.pyrosmaddness.com/womansrefund.jpg



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Jul 10, 2005, 4:02pm

I personally havn't had any problems ordering avatars from her, I got
two custom ones and got them in a timely manner. I personally would do
business with her again.

-Steve R

Jul 10, 2005, 4:49pm

I second that - I recently ordered numerous items, paid for them and got
them delivered by email within a few hours.



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Jul 12, 2005, 5:48am

77,
I sure see some in here lol , some of us can type and spell ;-)
Woman
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Jul 12, 2005, 5:48am

OMG! have'nt we all heard the same stories? what is up with this lady? i was
told she had 3 strokes and out of the hospital in one day! does she really
think people are that stupid? Her so called friend told me she lied to me
and was in Madness night after night when i was looking for her!! he even
apologized for lying to me. (no names mentioned) you know who you are.

Woman
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Jul 12, 2005, 5:48am

Good luck to ya Steve. keep reading Community newsgroup ;-)
Woman
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