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Jul 29, 2004, 1:30pm

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You say that as though you are here by some divine right yourself or that
you think somehow that America is mystically separate from the rest of the
world. You came to this country and invaded it so it's only yours as an
America because you stole it and murdered its rightful owners.



America's problems are EVERYBODY'S business, I could leave but that would
hardly do anything, every country is affected by this stupid war and the
politics of interference and not collaboration that the Butcher Bush insists
on. No, I think not, if it is to happen, Ill shall stay in Rome and watch
her fall from the inside.

By the way, I never for a moment was under any sort of illusion that a
Republican would hear anything I have to say. You are experts are stealing
from the poor and destitute and badmouthing your detractors however I do not
see that as any reason why I should not maintain my 1st amendment right to
protest.

When Bush is out of the White House and it is safe for Democracy again and
you have crawled back into your primal swamp where, like Gollum, you gloat
over you precious delusions, I will rest.

Cheer up it won't be long now!

Hu
New updates here: www.darksharman.com

Jul 29, 2004, 4:18pm

Hu, look, I understand your concern with the conditions of the world
and the future for all its citizens, (arguably all reasonable people have
the same concern), but do you see at all what I mean about this being the
wrong forum? Lines like "personally im tired of hearing about this shit" and
"stuff it buddy...." and "Screw off Hu" should give you the idea that you're
wasting your breath here, and that you may even be putting off people you
say you are trying to reach, people who just might listen to you in a forum
where they seek out your kind of insight. Hu-do you sincerely want to help?
Take it where you absolutely know it will do some good. You and Drac have
implied that, because people aren't responding to you the way you think they
should, that they are stupid, and/or are apathetic. Well, just who are you
that they should oooh and aahh over information from you when they just
might be politically aware and active in their r/l, and come here for a few
minutes, or even hours, of head-clearing? I am serious.not kidding. How is
your info more important (please know, this is a serious question, not a
slight) than that which is already available to them that we should respond
favorably or else be considered fools? Drac mentioned something about people
who "keep voting" for Bush...well news to him I guess but he's only been in
that office one time. People who come here might want a break; they pay for
it, and might only resent strangers coming in here telling them how to
think. They know where to go for their political nourishment. If it isn't
the "right" place, someone in a virtual world's news group is not going to
convince them that he knows something they don't know. **People tend not to
listen to those who continuously tell them they are dense and uneducated.**

You say that at times like these even a playground's newsgroup needs to
be politically enlightened? (Or however you said it a few posts back). Then
the whole entertainment industry should be shut down 'til things get better.
When it gets to the point of people being compared to ostriches with their
heads in the sand because we don't get up and rally around an uninvited (for
political purposes only, Hu) political speechmaker in a virtual universe's
forum, it is going beyond ludicrousness, and extremely annoying and
insulting as well. I told you, we (the general population) have as much
brainpower as you do; we are just using a different part of it in here. (Is
it still allowed? If not, all recreational activities should come to a halt
until things get better.)

Also, it is extremely frustrating when some always choose to use the
argument that the original immigrants stole the pre-US territory from the
"native-Americans"! Either that or the 150 year old slavery issue is brought
up. If you do not see the difference between then and now on those issues,
then you haven't done enough homework to make enlightened judgments. Do you
realize how far removed from those events any living US citizen is?? A good
portion of us did not even have our roots planted here back then. You don't
also consider the more recent (though still distant past) population who
abolished and do not allow such ancient practices. None of us had any more
to do with that than you, a present US resident, did!! Just like you did not
have anything directly to do with the prisoner colonies that made up the
original, non-aboriginal (there's a poem in there somewhere) population of
your own Australia. It would never even occur to me to cut down Australia
(or you) because it's present non-native population was once made up
exclusively of thieves and murderers. Bring up present day when you must-in
the proper place, and I won't bring up leper colonies, slave colonies, what
the ancient Romans did, the 40's in Germany, all those reams of historical
stuff. We should learn from it and continue to make reparations for those
early evils until everything is right, but every succeeding generation
should not be considered eternally guilty (how long?) for the sins of the
past. That would do more harm than good. My own community was very
instrumental in helping runaway slaves; do I get to take credit for either
thing 150-200+ years later? And funny-why do those few bring up the bad and
never the good, there was nothing in those 200+ years? Sounds kinda
one-sided to me.

Until you offer to sit down, one on one, with the very AW cits that you
have been trying to reach, and compare our real world concern (and real life
activism--things we actually physically do for the good of whomever we can
reach), then maybe it would be more fair to just drop it from this place.

Why do I occasionally come in here and read this stuff? Guilty admission
here: I have my coffee, have a few minutes to kill, and wonder what could
possibly be said next. Same as anyone who does, I guess. Like reading Ripley
's Believe It Or Not.

Respectfully, CarolAnn

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Jul 30, 2004, 1:50am

Well CarolAnn if it bothers you as much as it seems to then why do you waste
your time reading this string? It's a single string, in an entire NG, at a
very important time politically as well as historically for the entire
world. You have covered almost everything that I have said including what
YOU thought I may have been implying and several statements that I never
said at all. It seems to me CarolAnn that you are more interested in the
personalities than in the facts and there is not possibility of intelligent
discussion if that is your criteria.

I spend time in several NGs, I'm not attached to this one, in fact if no one
answers this post it will be fine with me. But it seems that this string is
as active any in this NG more active than most, there are obviously more
people than just Drac and I who are interested in or want to state an
opinion about the issues as they are today.

Now, let me comment on your statement about those who have decided to attack
and abuse rather that enjoy lively discussion. They are sharing nothing and
they are wasting space in this NG and anywhere else that they make their
potty mouthed remarks and I do not simply imply that they are unintelligent
fools I state it as an out right fact!

We all have opinions and we all have strong feelings but we do not need to
abuse one another. CarolAnn you will never shut me up even though you have
been trying to for years I will always speak my mind because I am very
passionate. I am wrong, and I make my share of errors and blunders but I am
a human being living alongside you here on this planet and I will honor you
and treat you with respect because it is your entitlement. I will even honor
the fools who choose not this course however I may not respect them.

Finally, I am completely happy not to continue this string . Just don't
expect me not to answer you if you reply. It is entirely up to you pumpkin!

Cheers

Bodhi
www.darksharman.com






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Jul 30, 2004, 2:51am

It does not either mean they would be there, doh!
Just because I have not found 10 000$ in my wallet, do not mean it would be
there.

"jaguar hahn" <markterrell at bellsouth.net> kirjoitti viestiss
news:4107b761$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> Just because we haven't found them doesn't mean they aren't/weren't there.
> Hu, YOU are the biggest joke I've ever heard of :o)
>
> Jaguar Hahn
>
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Jul 30, 2004, 3:03am

I will reply to this since I am mentioned here.

I do not recall calling anyone stupid, I have just pointed out that some
people act unlogically.

When I was talking about people who keep voting for Bush, I am refering to
those who still support him; a thing that I find so against alll common
sense that anything can be.
I can understand that people has voted for him once, before they knew what
kind of person he was, but by now all people should have seen how much
damage he does both to USA and the entire world.

I admit having flamed before, and as Carolann pointed out, this is not the
right place to flame about such things. It will not change anything.
So I have tried to lately simply add a few views into an ongoing thread
without flaming or trying to be rude to anyone ( except Bush and his
brainless followers)

In another chat I have talked to people who claim to be republicans, and
they hate Bush, so one do not need to be anti-american not even a democrat
to dislike him.

Respectfully, Dracula

"carolann" <carolannh at charter.not> kirjoitti viestiss
news:41093f73 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> Hu, look, I understand your concern with the conditions of the world
> and the future for all its citizens, (arguably all reasonable people have
> the same concern), but do you see at all what I mean about this being the
> wrong forum? Lines like "personally im tired of hearing about this shit"
and
> "stuff it buddy...." and "Screw off Hu" should give you the idea that
you're
> wasting your breath here, and that you may even be putting off people you
> say you are trying to reach, people who just might listen to you in a
forum
> where they seek out your kind of insight. Hu-do you sincerely want to
help?
> Take it where you absolutely know it will do some good. You and Drac have
> implied that, because people aren't responding to you the way you think
they
> should, that they are stupid, and/or are apathetic. Well, just who are you
> that they should oooh and aahh over information from you when they just
> might be politically aware and active in their r/l, and come here for a
few
> minutes, or even hours, of head-clearing? I am serious.not kidding. How is
> your info more important (please know, this is a serious question, not a
> slight) than that which is already available to them that we should
respond
> favorably or else be considered fools? Drac mentioned something about
people
> who "keep voting" for Bush...well news to him I guess but he's only been
in
> that office one time. People who come here might want a break; they pay
for
> it, and might only resent strangers coming in here telling them how to
> think. They know where to go for their political nourishment. If it isn't
> the "right" place, someone in a virtual world's news group is not going to
> convince them that he knows something they don't know. **People tend not
to
> listen to those who continuously tell them they are dense and
uneducated.**
>
> You say that at times like these even a playground's newsgroup needs to
> be politically enlightened? (Or however you said it a few posts back).
Then
> the whole entertainment industry should be shut down 'til things get
better.
> When it gets to the point of people being compared to ostriches with their
> heads in the sand because we don't get up and rally around an uninvited
(for
> political purposes only, Hu) political speechmaker in a virtual universe's
> forum, it is going beyond ludicrousness, and extremely annoying and
> insulting as well. I told you, we (the general population) have as much
> brainpower as you do; we are just using a different part of it in here.
(Is
> it still allowed? If not, all recreational activities should come to a
halt
> until things get better.)
>
> Also, it is extremely frustrating when some always choose to use the
> argument that the original immigrants stole the pre-US territory from the
> "native-Americans"! Either that or the 150 year old slavery issue is
brought
> up. If you do not see the difference between then and now on those issues,
> then you haven't done enough homework to make enlightened judgments. Do
you
> realize how far removed from those events any living US citizen is?? A
good
> portion of us did not even have our roots planted here back then. You
don't
> also consider the more recent (though still distant past) population who
> abolished and do not allow such ancient practices. None of us had any more
> to do with that than you, a present US resident, did!! Just like you did
not
> have anything directly to do with the prisoner colonies that made up the
> original, non-aboriginal (there's a poem in there somewhere) population of
> your own Australia. It would never even occur to me to cut down Australia
> (or you) because it's present non-native population was once made up
> exclusively of thieves and murderers. Bring up present day when you
must-in
> the proper place, and I won't bring up leper colonies, slave colonies,
what
> the ancient Romans did, the 40's in Germany, all those reams of historical
> stuff. We should learn from it and continue to make reparations for those
> early evils until everything is right, but every succeeding generation
> should not be considered eternally guilty (how long?) for the sins of the
> past. That would do more harm than good. My own community was very
> instrumental in helping runaway slaves; do I get to take credit for either
> thing 150-200+ years later? And funny-why do those few bring up the bad
and
> never the good, there was nothing in those 200+ years? Sounds kinda
> one-sided to me.
>
> Until you offer to sit down, one on one, with the very AW cits that you
> have been trying to reach, and compare our real world concern (and real
life
> activism--things we actually physically do for the good of whomever we can
> reach), then maybe it would be more fair to just drop it from this place.
>
> Why do I occasionally come in here and read this stuff? Guilty
admission
> here: I have my coffee, have a few minutes to kill, and wonder what could
> possibly be said next. Same as anyone who does, I guess. Like reading
Ripley
> 's Believe It Or Not.
>
> Respectfully, CarolAnn
>
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Jul 30, 2004, 5:56am

"Taliban is an organisation who was sponsored and made powefull by for
example USA."

Despite the U.S. killing three-fourths of their members? Okay.

Sponsored? Prove it.

Jul 30, 2004, 6:05am

"The Butchers Bush and Blair"
"Butcher Bush"
"Bush ... is overtly an EVIL man."
"His Nazi approach"
"his mentor Hitler"

Yet...

"and I'm not even attacking Bush."

You're waffling like Kerry now! ;)







"with the super modern spy satellites, heat seeking devices, and other
gadgetry the US now possess they can find anything they want to find even on
the moons of neighboring planets"

To say that is to say that the most advanced instruments in the world only
exist to give faulty evidence that support's some certain person's theory.
If the US *really* wanted to convince people that there was, for instance,
dirty laundry on Europa, they should be doing everything *but* use advanced
technology. :P

Jul 30, 2004, 3:53pm

I hate to burst your bubble Ferruccio, but it's a well known fact that
the Taliban were previously known as the Mujahaddin in Afghanistan when
they were fighting the Soviets in the 80's. The CIA sponsored them to
the tune of 55 million dollars along with Stinger missles and training.
That also includes a young man who helped arrange the financial support
named Usama bin Laden. It was one of Reagan's finest moments in
International meddling.

[View Quote] > "Taliban is an organisation who was sponsored and made powefull by for
> example USA."
>
> Despite the U.S. killing three-fourths of their members? Okay.
>
> Sponsored? Prove it.
>
>

Jul 30, 2004, 7:57pm

Communism was the evil empire back in the 1980s. The US was doing anything
it could to end communism, and through Reagan's efforts, communism in Russia
fell. The United States had no way of knowing the Taliban would turn out
the way it is now. Now, the United States does know what the Taliban is up
to, and they are not giving them a dime. :P

Jul 30, 2004, 10:26pm

[View Quote] Yes but they are not dealing with them either - Bush says he wants to end
the terrorist threat then goes into Iraq with not solid evidence that it is
warranted taking away the US military's forceful presence from Afghanistan
and his buddy Osama.

It is quite evident that Bush is his daddy's puppet and that the Bush family
is in bed with the Bin Laden's... It is disgusting! American boys are chess
pieces in a political war that is designed to take the attention off the Bin
Laden/Bush family connection.

Go see Michael Moore's film Fahrenheit 9/11, it's plainly stated there and I
do not see the Bush family denying it or suing Moore for slander. WAKE UP
AMERICANS You are being made fools of by an evil family that kills your kids
to cover their sinister tracks!

Cheers

Hu
www.darksharman.com

Jul 31, 2004, 1:26am

"Yes but they are not dealing with them either - Bush says he wants to end
the terrorist threat then goes into Iraq with not solid evidence that it is
warranted taking away the US military's forceful presence from Afghanistan
and his buddy Osama."

Not solid evidence? It's funny. The liberals criticize Bush for not
acting on evidence before 9/11 happened, but now the liberals criticize Bush
for acting on the same type of evidence! Make up your minds :P

"It is quite evident that Bush is his daddy's puppet and that the Bush
family is in bed with the Bin Laden's... It is disgusting!"

Yeah, that is just rhetorical nonsense. Unless you have any proof of
that, it's best you keep your mouth shut. :P

"American boys are chess pieces in a political war that is designed to take
the attention off the Bin Laden/Bush family connection."

The Bin Laden/Bush family connection. Is that what you like to call it?
Do you have any proof that both families have strong connections? Oh, and
don't reference Michael Moore's film. That's just twisted propaganda that
even John Kerry has the sense to keep out of his campaign. :P

"Go see Michael Moore's film Fahrenheit 9/11, it's plainly stated there and
I do not see the Bush family denying it or suing Moore for slander."

Read previous statement, and Bush isn't suing that nutty socialist
because Moore's not worth his time.

If you still don't understand how nutty that statement of yours is, let
me give you an example.

If I were to say that you were a neo-nazi, and spread it around Active
Worlds, would you waste your time suing me? Probably not.
Then, I would say "See, Hu's not suing me, that must mean everything I
say is true!"
Now, that would be rediculous of me to do.

"WAKE UP AMERICANS You are being made fools of by an evil family that kills
your kids to cover their sinister tracks!"

How is killing supposed to cover up sinister tracks? Why isn't John Kerry
saying anything you are saying? :P Maybe because it's blatantly false.

Jul 31, 2004, 11:00am

Funny, you demand proof of everything and when someone tries to give it to
you, you refuse to listen.
At the same time when one ask for proof for mass destruction weapons in Iraq
or connection between Saddam and Al-Quaid, one is supposed to belive they
excist without any proof.

One would belive that history would yeach not to mess with things that one
have no business messing with. Like USA sponsoring the Taliban, what a great
result in the end and how about putting Saddam in charge for Iraq? what a
great thing that was, was it not?
And now this stupid war again. I wonder if people will ever learn to mind
their own business and play their wargames at home if they want to. Not so
nice to pick randomly a weak country far away and go there and cause
destruction.

What the current govermant has done, it will take a long time to heal. Never
before has USA been so hated worldwide ( along with all other western
countries). Never has it been so easy for terrorist groups to get new
memebers. What Bush has done has been a lottery winning to Al-Quaida and
similar organisations.

You really should stop that Man now, before the entire world is in war, and
this time even your asses can be hurt; the war CAN be taken to your land,
because they do not attack with big troops nor tanks.

D
"ferruccio" <startrek3 at earthlink.net> kirjoitti viestiss
news:410b114c$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
>
> "Yes but they are not dealing with them either - Bush says he wants to end
> the terrorist threat then goes into Iraq with not solid evidence that it
is
> warranted taking away the US military's forceful presence from Afghanistan
> and his buddy Osama."
>
> Not solid evidence? It's funny. The liberals criticize Bush for not
> acting on evidence before 9/11 happened, but now the liberals criticize
Bush
> for acting on the same type of evidence! Make up your minds :P
>
> "It is quite evident that Bush is his daddy's puppet and that the Bush
> family is in bed with the Bin Laden's... It is disgusting!"
>
> Yeah, that is just rhetorical nonsense. Unless you have any proof of
> that, it's best you keep your mouth shut. :P
>
> "American boys are chess pieces in a political war that is designed to
take
> the attention off the Bin Laden/Bush family connection."
>
> The Bin Laden/Bush family connection. Is that what you like to call
it?
> Do you have any proof that both families have strong connections? Oh, and
> don't reference Michael Moore's film. That's just twisted propaganda that
> even John Kerry has the sense to keep out of his campaign. :P
>
> "Go see Michael Moore's film Fahrenheit 9/11, it's plainly stated there
and
> I do not see the Bush family denying it or suing Moore for slander."
>
> Read previous statement, and Bush isn't suing that nutty socialist
> because Moore's not worth his time.
>
> If you still don't understand how nutty that statement of yours is,
let
> me give you an example.
>
> If I were to say that you were a neo-nazi, and spread it around Active
> Worlds, would you waste your time suing me? Probably not.
> Then, I would say "See, Hu's not suing me, that must mean everything I
> say is true!"
> Now, that would be rediculous of me to do.
>
> "WAKE UP AMERICANS You are being made fools of by an evil family that
kills
> your kids to cover their sinister tracks!"
>
> How is killing supposed to cover up sinister tracks? Why isn't John Kerry
> saying anything you are saying? :P Maybe because it's blatantly false.
>
>

Jul 31, 2004, 4:14pm

"Funny, you demand proof of everything and when someone tries to give it to
you, you refuse to listen.
At the same time when one ask for proof for mass destruction weapons in Iraq
or connection between Saddam and Al-Quaid, one is supposed to belive they
excist without any proof."

Guess what, you might be surprised to know that I never believed there
was any proof of existance of WMDs. I believe that the evidence was
erroneous. And, Hu never tried to give me any proof of anything ;) he was
just ranting.

"One would belive that history would teach not to mess with things that one
have no business messing with."

Like dealing with the Nazi forces in World War 2? I believe that taught
the opposite of what you're trying to get at.

"And now this stupid war again. I wonder if people will ever learn to mind
their own business and play their wargames at home if they want to."

Would have you sat back and minded your own business when the Nazi
forces were rounding up millions of people and slaughtering them? Some
people realize that there are definite wrongs in the world and they are not
afraid to deal with them.


"Not so nice to pick randomly a weak country far away and go there and cause
destruction."

In no way was Iraq randomely picked. There was a malicious dictator who
killed hundreds of thousands of people there. That was a problem to deal
with.


"What the current govermant has done, it will take a long time to heal."

Yes, I agree with you there. It will take a long time for Iraq to heal
after the hard times it's been through.


"Never before has USA been so hated worldwide ( along with all other western
countries)."

That's what happens when you have people watching things like Al-jazeera
and Sky news.

"Never has it been so easy for terrorist groups to get new memebers."

I'd like to see some proof of that statement of yours.

"What Bush has done has been a lottery winning to Al-Quaida and similar
organisations."

Yeah, the terrorists love having Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin Laden out
of power.

"You really should stop that Man now, before the entire world is in war"

So, what do you predict will happen in the future? Which countries will
be involved in the war, and what sides will they be on? I'm just curious.

"The war CAN be taken to your land, because they do not attack with big
troops nor tanks."

That's already happened, and that's why we're at war, to prevent it from
happening again. I don't see the numbers of terrorists increasing during
the war. :P

Hey, Hu, here's a question for you.
What do you think about this statement?
"[We] gave Saddam a chance, not a license. If we turn our backs on his
defiance, the credibility of U.S. power as a check against Saddam will be
destroyed. We will not only have allowed Saddam to shatter the inspection
system that controls his weapons of mass destruction; we will also have
fatally undercut the fear of force that stops Saddam from acting to gain
domination of the region."

Jul 31, 2004, 4:20pm

Drac, there is a reason why I have not answered Ferruccio in any of his
recent posts to me
and it was a mistake on my part to answer him this time. He is utterly
unreasonable in any dialogue that I have with him in AW, I thought I had
learned my lesson with him, silly me!

I will not be involving myself with him again in this or any other
discussion and for your own sanity you shouldn't either. He will attack this
message in his usual perverse way craving someone to bite back, it is not
worth it I assure you!

Cheers

Hu
www.darksharman.com

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Jul 31, 2004, 4:37pm

Hmm, Hu, I don't believe I was attacking you. ;) I have countered every
statement you've made without personally attacking you.

Jul 31, 2004, 5:20pm

Hmm, although I personally think the US is ready for a change of leadership
to a more wise and responsible one, I think it would be interesting to see
someone try to counter the posts of Ferrucio's under this heading , (which
seem more general and not necessarily only about the present
administration). As long as the thing is going on and on anyway. He's been
very reasonable and intelligent in all his statements here, (read each
carefully and you will see that), never mean and nasty, so someone sure
couldn't take issue with that :-). It's easy to argue with dummies, but it
should be more challenging and rewarding to debate with someone who seems to
have some insight. (that is, it should be to an equally reasonable person
with equal insight and intelligence and feels secure in what he knows.)

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Jul 31, 2004, 5:40pm

No Ferrucio is extremely careful never to actually fire blatant insults at
anyone CarolAnn but he is nevertheless entirely frustrating as he is not
willing or even able to offer proof of his statement but ALWAYS negates
others by insisting that they PROVE what they are claiming.

This is not a court of law and we cannot prove anything we hear or see, all
we can do is look at the facts as they are presented to us by the various
media we attend to. So, CarolAnn, that is the line of subtle attack that
Ferrucio's uses and as unreasonable as it is it excludes him from my
awareness.

Cheers

Hu
www.darksharman.com



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Jul 31, 2004, 7:01pm

So, you call a good argument a subtle attack? I don't believe I was
attacking you at all when I made those statements. Please state
specifically the attacks I made (with quotes). Then I will apologize for
making those attacks, if that's what they indeed are. ;)

Jul 31, 2004, 8:31pm

Let me reiterate Hu is a total ass!

Hu you crank and moan, ranting and raving about supposed USA downfalls, yet
when someone calls your bluff you back down and ignore them making more
dialogue with the likes of someon like me LOL. I'm someone who is so sick
and tired of listening to your crap in here!!!!! It's as annoying as a
blind dog messing on the rug because he can't bark when he wants to go
outside anymore!

You began your fussing in here because you are so frustrated that some young
person made you look like a an old fool. Well, get over yourself! Chalk
one up to being an ass and move on with your life. Try not acting like an
ignoramous OK !?

Jul 31, 2004, 10:15pm

So Sharon, you are my victim now are you? I am forcing you to open this
string, I am forcing you to be sick and tired, and I am focusing on annoying
you?

Well Sharon this may come as something of a shock to you but I never ever
even think of you unless I am unlucky enough to open the NG to one of you
negative posts. (Everything of yours that I have ever read has been
negative Sharon)

Take your own advice Sharon "get over yourself! Chalk one up to being an
ass and move on with your life. Try not acting like an ignoramus OK!?" Oh
and learning to spell might help as well hun.

Cheers

Hu
www.darksharman.com



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Jul 31, 2004, 10:58pm

"Yes you option of how to deal with me doesn't surprise
me in the least." Speak English HU !

Jul 31, 2004, 11:09pm

Sharon, my English is great and if you knew your spelling and grammar you
would be able to see that it is... My choice of a way to deal with you hun
was merely a direct quote from your previous post, so, it is not surprising
that you are not surprised.

When you say something intelligent I will respond intelligently until then
this bickering session ends here. |<END>|

Cheers

Hu
www.darksharman.com


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Aug 1, 2004, 1:53am

Okay Hu, .Sharon might have been quite harsh (I wouldn't have been as
harsh), but she does have a point. You come in here ranting about
something, then I come in here and counter every argument you've made, and
you choose to ignore me, saying that I am supposedly "attacking" you in some
type of "subtle" way.
Stand up for what you believe! Isn't that what you want to do? Surely
you didn't come in these NGs expecting everyone to agree with you.

Aug 1, 2004, 2:06am

"Yes you option of how to deal with me doesn't surprise
me in the least." <-- this is a quote from one of your previous posts HU.
Good example of your English skills there Mr. IQ.

You're the worst coward ever. Bye now because for once you're right ...
this is over.

Aug 1, 2004, 5:46am

Okay, since this thread doesn't seem like it will be ending anytime
soon, I might as well ask these questions:

1) Do you think Bush or Kerry will go to war with North Korea and/or Iran?

2) Do you think Bush or Kerry will start the U.S. draft up again?

3) Do you think Fox News says they are "Fair and Balanced" too much?

4) What do you think of Kerry's Senate record?

5) What do you think of Ralph Nader?

6) What's the *real* reason Tom Ridge will be leaving the Dept. of
Homeland Security?

7) Do you think terrorists may launch a cyber attack soon?

8) Do you think things like the Patriot Act really help catch more
terrorists or infringe on citizens' civil liberties?

9) Do you think Bin Laden will be captured or do you think he is dead
already?

10) Who should take most of the blame for the weapons of mass
destruction fiasco?

Builderz

Aug 1, 2004, 6:48am

[View Quote] >1) Do you think Bush or Kerry will go to war with North Korea and/or Iran?

The odds are in favor of Bush continuing on with his war mongering into a
state of world war (WWIII) - Bush is intent on bringing about Armageddon,
Americans who do not fear him are fools. We really have nothing but Kerry's
word that he will re-establish good relations with the allies that Bush has
alienated and that he will only go to war as an absolute last resort. I
would put my money on Kerry though for a future with at least a margin of
world security, it will take time though for America to convince the world
community that it can be trusted again.

>2) Do you think Bush or Kerry will start the U.S. draft up again?

Bush will have to start the U.S. draft up again so that he can wage all the
wars he has planned.

>3) Do you think Fox News says they are "Fair and Balanced" too much?

If Fox News says they are "Fair and Balanced" even once they are liars.

>4) What do you think of Kerry's Senate record?

Not familiar enough with it yet to answer this!

>5) What do you think of Ralph Nader?

I like Nader's ideas and if he could get the support a third party is what
this country needs however in the present political climate where the fate
of the world going to war or not, is in the balance I believe he needs to
step up and support Bush's only real opponent!

>6) What's the *real* reason Tom Ridge will be leaving the Dept. of
Homeland Security?

Not familiar enough with it yet to answer this!

>7) Do you think terrorists may launch a cyber attack soon?

I'm sure Bush would love it if they would; he needs the terrorists to assist
him in terrorizing the American people into voting for him. I would not be
surprised if he and his cronies set up some kind of terrorist plot that can'
t be traced like the anthrax scares to sway the people through fear to vote
for him.

>8) Do you think things like the Patriot Act really help catch more
terrorists or infringe on citizens' civil liberties?

It is an evil adjunct to the evil administration - it is merely there to
erode civil liberties, I'm surprised Americans stand for this kind of crap.

>9) Do you think Bin Laden will be captured or do you think he is dead
already?

I don't care about Bin Laden.

>10) Who should take most of the blame for the weapons of mass
destruction fiasco?

It is obvious that the perpetrators of the illegal war on Iraq should be
held responsible for their lies and deceit. Bush and that UK twit!

Cheers

Bodhi
www.darksharman.com

Aug 1, 2004, 7:19am

"We really have nothing but Kerry's word that he will re-establish good
relations with the allies that Bush has alienated and that he will only go
to war as an absolute last resort. I would put my money on Kerry though for
a future with at least a margin of world security, it will take time though
for America to convince the world community that it can be trusted again."

Hu, what do you think of these quotes?

"Saddam Hussein has already used these weapons and has made it clear that he
has the intent to continue to try, by virtue of his duplicity and secrecy,
to continue to do so. That is a threat to the stability of the Middle East.
It is a threat with respect to the potential of terrorist activities on a
global basis. It is a threat even to regions near but not exactly in the
Middle East."

"We urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S.
Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate,
air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to
the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction
programs."

"If Saddam Hussein is unwilling to bend to the international community's
already existing order, then he will have invited enforcement, even if that
enforcement is mostly at the hands of the United States, a right we retain
even if the Security Council fails to act."


"If Fox News says they are "Fair and Balanced" even once they are liars."

Every news station has some sort of lean just about. BBC has a very
good record.

Hu, do you think CNN has any sort of bias? What about the New York Times?


"Not familiar enough with [Kerry's senate record] yet to answer this!"

You really should familiarize yourself with it.

"I'm sure Bush would love it if they would; he needs the terrorists to
assist him in terrorizing the American people into voting for him. I would
not be surprised if he and his cronies set up some kind of terrorist plot
that can't be traced like the anthrax scares to sway the people through fear
to vote for him."

Are you saying that Bush is behind the anthrax letters? I think it is
stooping very low to say that Bush coordinates attacks with terrorists.
What source are you getting this from? Fahrenheit 9/11?

"I don't care about Bin Laden."

Even after it was proven that he organized the attacks against the United
States, killing thousands of people?

"It is obvious that the perpetrators of the illegal war on Iraq should be
held responsible for their lies and deceit. Bush and that UK twit!"

Bush never lied about the war. He followed evidence that Russian
Intelligence, MI6, and the CIA had. Everyone was in agreement about the
WMDs, even clinton, who frequently conducted air strikes in the Iraqi no-fly
zones.

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