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Jun 21, 2004, 3:54pm

[View Quote] 1. I am not "You People." I am not a group. I am an individual and my
name is Katrina.

2. I *do* in fact, understand that this is much more than RPG to those
individuals who participate in the GOR worlds. This is why I expect *more*
from them and not less, when it comes to interactive behavior with the
individuals in AW.

3. That said it simply doesn't *matter* how intense the GOR/BDSM experience
is - whether deep real life living that spills over into chat or rpg. (I
wish I could bold this, but I can't. So I will set this off with a double
exclaim, because I think it's very important that this be understood
clearly.) Let me repeat:

!!

It doesn't *matter* if GOR/BDSM experience in AW is real or play. The rest
of the AW universe is conducted under a ratings system.

!!

Because AW is conducted under a ratings system, Gorians are obliged to
follow those ratings - even in their usernames. If the name is x-rated or
overly suggestive in content - even with clever editing -, and makes it past
the ratings system, then the system is not working and must be changed or
adapted. Or other alternatives must be found so that *everyone* can enjoy
the AW experience as much as possible.

It is my opinion that Gorians and BDSM folk need to follow the same rules as
the rest of AW society, when they are out among the other tourists and the
citizens. This includes being aware of the names and how they might be
percieved by others.

It is can be totally expected that a NonGorian may have an adverse reaction
to x-rated or suggestive content in usernames. There have been reasonable
suggestions made in this discussion for making changes that might help the
NonGorian cope with unexpected usernames. But some of the responsibility
also falls upon the Gorian/BDSM folk too.

Jun 21, 2004, 3:57pm

Somehow, from perusing other discussions, I get the sense that this isn't a
"one isolated example." But that's okay. :)

Katrina aka Bearblue


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Jun 22, 2004, 12:15am

Oh I believe we DO understand that hon! However, if, for example, a person
who is involved with the Gorean lifestyle in Real life is among regular
people in real life, I would imagine (and am hoping) that that person would
not use a perverse name in public (such as "BigDick" or "WetPussyCat") and
would not carry out the slavery thing in public either. Same goes for a DMSM
type of person in real life. Is it THAT much to ask that they consider the
preferences of the general public and also consider how many young kids are
using AW these days. I don't give a patooie about how much kids probably
know anyway today. All I'm saying is that MOST of them "should" not be
subjected to adult content on the web, whether they know it or not. The
adults who object to these lifestyles are being prudes at all. They are just
trying to maintain some morals online. Somebody has to do it. The world is
screwed up enough already. ;-"D




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Jun 22, 2004, 2:07am

Fuck america! I hope Osama uses a nuke next time he hits you arrogant
barbaric losers! Death is what you really deserve.

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Jun 22, 2004, 2:41am

Hello. Nice to meet you too. What country are you from and how long did it
take you to build up all that venom against people you don't even know? Are
you new to AW? Are you new to planet Earth? And finally, ...who tied your
briefs in a knot? Have a nice day! ;-"D (huge psychotic grin)




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Jun 22, 2004, 4:21am

Don't get so pissy. I made a comparison, that's all. :P

Jun 22, 2004, 4:24am

I don't think anyone on these NGs has killed an indian, or enslaved a black
person. Ancestory does not define the person you are face-to-face with.

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Jun 22, 2004, 4:44am

X_X at how it didn't line up in the message grouping properly.. perhaps I
shouldn't have deleted the text I was replying to lol..

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Jun 22, 2004, 4:56am

Ya know, I think the only reason Commander Sisko posted that crap was to
stir something up, in light of the recent flaming going on about
anti-american/pro-american talk in the threads. I find it hard to believe
that anyone could possibly be that ignorant. Nice try, Sisko. :P

Jun 22, 2004, 6:03am

Hmmmm.... Well I wasn't going to reply to this since I didn't want to
lower myself to your level. But the more I thought about it, the more I
realized you might need some education, regardless of where I am from. And
besides, to reach your level I woul d have to go thru the floor. Since that
is impossible for me to attain, I will reply.
For one thing, my Native American grandfathers and grandmothers weren't
killed off like buffalo. The blood line was a bit diluted but I still have
Native American cousins living in the vicinity. I also know many pure blood
Native Americans personally. They would be pretty upset to know someone
killed off the entire indian race and didn't tell them. By the way, the
Native Americans here also did quite a lot of blood-letting on the settlers,
whether it was provoked or not. But I suppose you've never met an actual
Native American till now, have you?
For another thing... "enslaving the blacks"... (sit down cus you might
not be ready to accept this).... if it weren't for the Europeans and the
Dutch invading Africa and attacking whole tribes and capturing African
natives and killing off those who fought back, and keeping the captives in
pitiful conditions in the bottoms of their slave ships, starving them to
keep them compliant, listing them as "cargo" and treating them as such....
we wouldn't have had that slave problem in the first place and neither would
England and some of the other countries back in the 1600's when this first
came about. We were NOT the only country to have made that MISTAKE.
http://www.afbis.com/analysis/slave.htm Yes, the innocent, neutral, Dutch
did that and apparently the French
http://www.discoveringbristol.org.uk/showNarrative.php?narId=221and English
too. http://www.antislavery.org/breakingthesilence/main/04/SlaveShips.shtml
(check out those links to educate yourself a bit) Slaves were also sent to
the middle East, in case you never read the history of Egypt. (Ever hear
mention of the term, "nubian slave"?) Europeans also killed many Aluit
people, not to mention Pacific Islanders while pretending to trade for furs
and wampum. Women and yes children too were captured and were raped and/or
sold into slavery. The traders would pretend to trade riches for furs and
then kill the natives and take it all. (Pssssssssstttttttt: they weren't
American!!!)
The Dutch settled into what we now call South Africa. Did you ever learn
about the way native Africans there were treated for all that time by the
white invaders? (I didn't think so!!)Shall we also discuss the Germans,
Russians, French, English, and the Jews? And what about the Muslims and
let's not forget the Eastern and Middle Eastern factions too. How about them
Mayans eh? Oh and speaking of Barbarians... have you ever heard of Attila?
Also another "barbaric" country is China, or haven't you gotten that far in
your studies in primary school? Hmmmmm... am also remembering the small
African country of Uganda back in the 60's. The dictator of that country,
Idi Amin "barbarically" killed his own people. While we're on the subject of
Barbarians.... how much have you learned about Hitler? Not to mention the
people who followed his lead simply because they were afraid to oppose him?
Wouldn't you say they were Barbarians too?
Say what you will about us being the worst criminals on the face of the
Earth since you are such an expert at Diplomatic relations and International
History. You are only making yourself look more like an uneducated twit. And
how the heck did you twist around the content of this post to begin with? It
started out discussing non-G rated names for cryin out loud!!! How does that
relate to Americans in general being terrible people? Where did you learn
your "facts" or lack of them? True, our country isn't perfect. None are. We
have to live our lives being lead by idiots. So do you probably. When did
God make you judge and jury of a group of people that you've never learned
about? And don't go claiming you learned something about our country cus if
you had, you would have known our Native American population is still going
strong and that slavery began with other countries LONG before America was
discovered by the British pilgrims. We do not hold a monopoly on THAT
terrible way of life or the mistakes of our forefathers.
(pppppsssssstttt.... by the way... slavery was abolished here in our
country over 100 years ago. Can you say the same about some other countries
today? I DON'T THINK SO!!!) America is a huge melting pot of different
ethnic and religious backgrounds. It is not made up of a specific race or
creed. It was founded by people from other countries. And people from other
countries still seek refuge here. I bet some of your relatives also live
here. So, get a life and quit posting crap like that in here, about ANYBODY.
Don't try to tell Americans your version of what you think you know about us
or our history. Don't try to bash us in front of the representatives here
from other countries the way you just did. Believe it or not, most of them
aren't idiots like you and have more common sense than to believe all that
mudslinging.
Steps off my soap box, sticks my tongue out at you and throws you the
finger. ;-"p Have a nice day! (mumbles "moron")



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Jun 22, 2004, 6:05am

possible either way hon. There are some people out there that are that
stupid. ;-"D



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Jun 22, 2004, 6:37am

Yep, your statements about voting, etc, are so true, and if anyone was
watching-really watching it all and not just the worst stuff, they'd see
that that process is happening right here(US), right now.

And the rest---in many cases it was European and other "foreign" arrivals
who brought those slaves to sell to the newly formed US. And who did
actually sell many of those Africans into slavery? Many Americans did it for
sure, but they were often European born.so, since they were just as close to
their "foreign" heritage as to their adopted American citizenship, who shall
we say is most guilty? Who else took advantage of the slave trade? Often it
was other Africans who sold their own countrymen. Slavery originated as a
joint effort, and often by those not born on US soil, but whew! We who have
been Americans for generations finally ended it! Not that it should ever
have taken place, but look where it eventually got the descendants of some
of those slaves..some of the top spots in the present US government. Is that
irony or what? Will you (not you Wizard, but the NG in general or commander
sisco) still argue for those slaves and their descendants? Care to comment?
But it was mostly their effort that got them there, so obviously the
opportunity is open to others besides WASPS. (The acronym was used so I
could make a distinction for this post.)

And if the US killed all the Native Americans, why does my US state have so
many Gambling parlors? "Native" Americans have been given such liberal
gaming rights and licenses here that all the casinos and gambling facilities
in my state are owned by them, and they have non-ending contracts. I don't
care of course, I sure don't want one, but don't say we killed them all off.
(And wait-come to think of it-where did I find a Native American to be
married to? He sure seemed alive at the time, as did his entire well-to-do
family.) By the way, that poor treatment didn't begin with long-standing
Americans either, but by those just off the boat from other countries.

So- to those who are still spreading blame for those things after all these
years, to many who weren't even alive when the worst of it existed, don't
forget to grab your share. Then it would be much easier to own up to mine
(ours).

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Jun 22, 2004, 7:00am

yep, yep! Just what people need to understand-and I've noticed that you have
a great knack for research...either that or you are smarter than the average
lioness. People have a responsibilty to make an effort to really understand
each other, not just by hearsay (and the culture and history of others)
before they can say even one word against them (we included, of course).
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Jun 22, 2004, 7:13am

Hi Lioness

Good words

As I think I have stated many times in these G's but as normal seems to fall
on stony ground in History most countries have some terrible acts committed
against human kind. In the last century two world wars, genocide against
Jews and others committed in the name of a country. Indeed My own ethnic
origins was subjected to eradication of its culture and language and
persecution. Indeed many of my Irish ancestors left Ireland to the USA to
escape famine and persecution, some where even forced to leave their
homeland. If we all held past acts against present people this world sadly
would be a very poor place.

We learn from past mistakes and in refection consider that peaceful
co-existence may be a pipe dream but one hell of an concept to work towards.


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Jun 22, 2004, 7:22am

I might be a natural blonde hon, but I do "pride" myself on being somewhat
educated. More than this "commander sisko" is pretending to be! Even he
makes us blondes look like geniuses. (visualizing him trying to figure out
how I can be a natural blonde and part Native American too LOL ) The
"research" part was easy. All one has to do is type in the keywords: slave,
ship into any search engine and its amazing what one can find online. I
would imagine there is also plenty of information at one's local library
too. And since the history of Amistad was made into a movie, one could
probably find that at their local video or department store. But not all of
it was found by doing research. Most of that is just common knowledge where
I live. In the same area where my Native American cousins live, there were
some terrible massacres done by Native Americans on my German ancestors
(settlers). And some of my family were abolitionists as well. (They were
Mennonite and Quaker).
And a comment to Richard.... I'm starting to believe you and
"commander sisko" are the same person. The similarities between the two of
you are uncanny. Both of you are uneducated geeks who have nothing better to
say in these newsgroups than anti-American crap. I dont' hear you making
comments like that about anyone else. I don't mind reading other's opinions,
no matter how anti-American they are, but in my opinion any uncouth fool
would make generalizations about another country without learning more about
it first. I'm willing to bet you are the same person, but too chicken to
admit it. ;-"D


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Jun 22, 2004, 7:23am

co-existence may be a pipe dream but one hell of an concept to work
towards.<<


I whole heartedly agree with you Wiz ;-"D



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Jun 22, 2004, 10:37am

^5's Lioness :)


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Jun 22, 2004, 11:04am

WOW! Well said! Bravo!! :-)
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Jun 22, 2004, 11:27am

Perfect example, just happened an hour ago:

"Des": Shit kom til at sætte den på frimove
Shekwan: tryk ESC så er du ude af det
Syli: Des....is that an english or dutch word?
Shekwan: Danish word
Syli: ahhhh ok....but the one that starts with SH
Shekwan: Mistake .. her first time here
Syli: lol.....i see...because the CA got her :(


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Jun 22, 2004, 2:58pm

By the way. I thought you might be interested to know the ORIGINAL
definition of the word "Barbarian". My 13 year old daughter brought this to
my attention which proves she is more intelligent and mature than you are.
If you doubt me, check http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Barbarian
and if you doubt that, look in any Bible (if you have one). I also would
like to point out that the source of this definition came from a British
authored Dictionary, not American. And while I'm at it, I would also like to
say, (quoting my 13 year old child) I am PROUD to be a Barbarian (foreigner
to you).

Barbarian

a Greek word used in the New Testament (Rom. 1:14) to denote one of another
nation. In Col. 3:11, the word more definitely designates those nations of
the
Roman empire that did not speak Greek. In 1 Cor. 14:11, it simply refers to
one
speaking a different language. The inhabitants of Malta are so called (Acts
28:1,2, 4). They were originally a Carthaginian colony. This word nowhere in
Scripture bears the meaning it does in modern times.

Source: Easton's 1897 Bible Dictionary






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Jun 22, 2004, 3:31pm

Of course...I should have said you had a great knack for research AND were
smarter than the average lioness :-) My problem here is-some statements
affect me so much that I need to reply Right Now, and don't have the
patience to stand back and hold my breath before replying. I do try very
hard to only state things I know are true (from previous education or
research) and leave out the things I am not sure of, though. Anyway, that's
why I try to only read or reply to these NGs once in a blue moon, except
when I want to find info about a distinct AW issue (read only)...there's
lots of good help here. It's nicer to see people's knowledge than their
anger. (I know-I should take a page from my own book)
By the way...blue moon: http://www.infoplease.com/spot/bluemoon1.html It
has it all. Internet research capability IS fantastic when your head is
clear.
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