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Jun 19, 2004, 2:38pm

That is so cool!!

Now *that* is world building.

*impressed*

Katrina aka Bearblue

Jun 19, 2004, 2:03pm

Say on Wizard!

Katrina aka Bearblue

Jun 21, 2004, 4:11pm

This is a brilliant idea!!

I'd be willing to contribute $15.00 now and then to a "tin cup emergency"
citizenship.

Katrina aka Bearblue


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Jun 22, 2004, 5:23pm

I've been wanting to reply directly to the original question for awhile, but
I watched as the discussion diverged and I wondered if I really wanted to
jump in or not.

But, I think I do have something useful to offer in this discussion.

Linn,

What you are seeing is a cybercultural shift. It actually started several
years ago, was made popular by a student who had massive student loans and
was looking for a way to pay for it and was called e-panhandling. It also
merged with the concept of freeware/shareware that was current at the time
and is still evolving. Part of that was also effected by the evolution of
ecommerce - through ebay, pay pal and the like.

What has arisen is a basically unspoken, but generally accepted online
culture which allows for donation buttons on pages (in this case, 3-D
locations) - either for services, free services or even just the goodness of
someone's heart.

I don't think you are necessarily speaking about service payments or even
donate for my efforts pay pal buttons. I think your complaint is mainly
about those who e-panhandle. But I don't think it's going to go away. Nor do
I think it's necessarily a bad thing. It's just another opportunity to
express charitable intent or need. As long as one can reject the request
without harm, then there is no need to worry.

There are people who do poach on the generosity of others, of course. But
that has always been the case. Part of becoming cyberliterate is learning
to distinguish between the poachers/fakes and the legitimate users.

For more reference on e-panhandling, which seems to be your real topic, you
might try:

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/business/TechTV/techtv_panhandlers_021226.html

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,74378,00.html

http://www.cyberdonationfund.com/

http://www.eureka-boston.org/feb_24_2003.htm

http://www.cyberbeg.com/about.php

I guess the ultimate point of this response is to say, "You are not
imagining things." ;)

Katrina aka Bearblue

Jun 19, 2004, 12:37pm

I have to say that, in this case, I do agree with Hurdy Gurdy Man. While we
can stretch the limits of "G" on worlds - it's a bad start if the nicks
"violate," the principle of those ratings in the first place.

The problem we arise at, of course, is free expression. Perhaps there might
be a way to set up an "instant" nick, which simplifies the nick to the first
letters, for those with more... suggestive... nicks. Or, as in other,
chats/blogs it might be socially appropriate to point out to someone with a
non-g rated nick that it would be considerate to change it for the duration
of being on the "G" world.

Or, we need to up all the world ratings to PG. It's a thought.

Katrina aka Bearblue



[View Quote] > While non g rated names are being booted in G rated places, some people
with X rated names can stay.

While a nick name "liked to e spanked" wont work in the gate the Ds and Gor
freaks with their special nicks have a go.

I think that nicks like those will be considered X rated.

> Iggy.
>

Jun 19, 2004, 2:34pm

I have nothing personal against the Gor Worlds or Adult Play worlds. If they
pay for 'em they should be able to do what they want in 'em. That is, after
all, one of the priveleges of owning a world.

I just think that there should be some sensitivity when *outside* of those
realms.

Jun 20, 2004, 11:27pm

[View Quote] I should let this pass. I really should.

But this entire statement is ignorant of historical *fact.* And I'd hate
for someone in the future to come across this broad slash of impromptu
rewriting, without some correction. *waves at google searchers to come*

Since I happen to know, personally, several native americans it is not
possible that the whole native american race has been killed off. Not
possible. I also know that there are more than a few paltry tribes in
existence. You can check the BIA for more info:
http://www.doi.gov/bureau-indian-affairs.html

If by your incredibly broad statement you mean the immigrants, *from all
over the world* who came to the American West to settle, pushed the Native
American people into reservations and off their own land with the
government's permission - Yes. That was pretty heinous. But that was also in
the 1800s. And it was a common experience for many indiginous people
throughout history *from the beginning* and not limited to American
experience. It can be honestly said, also, that the people of the times did
not *know* any better - for a variety of reasons. Ignorance is ignorance.

Also, historically speaking, slavery was an import into the country (and
that importation still happens in other countries where slavery is *still*
semi-legal. It is not limited to black american experience:
http://www.antislavery.org/) - and Americans spent lives *freeing* the
slaves of this country. The whole country can not be painted with a "You're
just awful" brush for that fact alone. Historically, this was also in the
1800s.
http://www.fcps.k12.va.us/OakViewES/harris/97-98/america/civil-war/index.html

I offer the opinion that it might be more useful to look at modern times, if
we're going to offer wholesale critiques of countries, since people and
places change - though historical influences may be important to a
discussion.

Katrina aka Bearblue

Jun 20, 2004, 11:33pm

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You know, this is a really good idea. It leaves the power in the hands of
the citizens. It's why I like the "MUTE" option too. Those individuals who
"offend," don't have to be listened to.

The hazard, of course, is that you lose the ability to communicate with each
other. And that can cause a different kind of conflict.

Katrina aka Bearblue

Jun 20, 2004, 11:36pm

You know it wasn't until I saw family guy a couple of nights ago, that I
ever got that reference. Guy reading a cheaply published books: "Why is
Jesus spelled Jebus?"

*laughs*

Terrible. But funny.

Jun 21, 2004, 12:07am

[View Quote] And I have to offer the opinion that it is, in fact, *good* for the people
who are into an alternative scene to have safe places to go. Adults should
have the right to mingle in adult ways when on Adult themed worlds.

It's just people need to remember to switch their Cit Names during
transitions to G/PG rated worlds as a courtesy to the other Adults who may
be playing/building/conversing in a G or PG way. Even if, during play on a
BDSM/GOR world they have made a commitment *not* to change the name, that
should only apply -on- the GOR/BDSM world. It does not apply to any other
world, and a dominant/equal has an obligation to share that information with
the person whose name has been changed to spare social grief (and arguments
like this one).

I could go into the thematic reasons why this should be anyway, given the
historical meanings of name changes, but that's a whole 'nother ball o' wax.

Katrina aka Bearblue

Jun 21, 2004, 3:54pm

[View Quote] 1. I am not "You People." I am not a group. I am an individual and my
name is Katrina.

2. I *do* in fact, understand that this is much more than RPG to those
individuals who participate in the GOR worlds. This is why I expect *more*
from them and not less, when it comes to interactive behavior with the
individuals in AW.

3. That said it simply doesn't *matter* how intense the GOR/BDSM experience
is - whether deep real life living that spills over into chat or rpg. (I
wish I could bold this, but I can't. So I will set this off with a double
exclaim, because I think it's very important that this be understood
clearly.) Let me repeat:

!!

It doesn't *matter* if GOR/BDSM experience in AW is real or play. The rest
of the AW universe is conducted under a ratings system.

!!

Because AW is conducted under a ratings system, Gorians are obliged to
follow those ratings - even in their usernames. If the name is x-rated or
overly suggestive in content - even with clever editing -, and makes it past
the ratings system, then the system is not working and must be changed or
adapted. Or other alternatives must be found so that *everyone* can enjoy
the AW experience as much as possible.

It is my opinion that Gorians and BDSM folk need to follow the same rules as
the rest of AW society, when they are out among the other tourists and the
citizens. This includes being aware of the names and how they might be
percieved by others.

It is can be totally expected that a NonGorian may have an adverse reaction
to x-rated or suggestive content in usernames. There have been reasonable
suggestions made in this discussion for making changes that might help the
NonGorian cope with unexpected usernames. But some of the responsibility
also falls upon the Gorian/BDSM folk too.

Jun 21, 2004, 3:57pm

Somehow, from perusing other discussions, I get the sense that this isn't a
"one isolated example." But that's okay. :)

Katrina aka Bearblue


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Jun 21, 2004, 4:02pm

[View Quote] I'd be for it. We don't celebrate enough holidays and can always use more.
And I think National Holidays would be a fun way to acknowledge just how
global/universal AW really is.

But I think, if that were the case, we ought to go all out and have a
"holiday," planet.

Katrina AKA Bearblue

Jun 22, 2004, 9:53pm

So then I wasn't just being naive when I was thinking the thread was turning
into hate speech? *feeling better*

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Jun 22, 2004, 11:29pm

Ridiculous, Kettle.

Jun 22, 2004, 11:32pm

My apologies. The send went out before I could catch it.

Jun 30, 2004, 7:35pm

Mars is nearly perfect from my perspective. It doesn't have *too* many
people and builds, yet there is plenty of room for people to grow into. I
know of one person who is building a vast place for not-so-straight people
(It's not quite ready and it's not my place, so I won't post the addy). And
I know of another who has created a mind boggling ship yard. (Suh-weet!)

I've been collecting links of nifty builds, rides, historical (fict & fact)
sites, and just spots of interests that I'll be putting into a "warp tour,"
place (although I already have one that I started on my very first build
ever: Mars 38.85N 172.00E 0.00a 0 . It's just, of course, that I've grown
and matured as a builder and I now understand the conventions of warp tours
a little more.)

Anyhow, yacking. To the point:

Veger and his group and the fine people at AW made some wonderful changes
with the object additions. I've been having a ball with those objects and
textures. And, no doubt, I shall continue to do so. (Mars 23.89N 179.25E
0.00a 23 is my first build with the new objects & textures. And now Mos
Eisley is started - builders welcome - Mars 691.64S 371.57W 0.00a 92)

However, as I understand it, there was a bit of a kerfuffle and the pictwlks
and wlls did not get added as planned. So I'm going to say the obvious
here: It would be heavenly, marvelous and terrific if we could get some
pict friendly walks and walls on Mars.

So, is there anyone in particular I should ask? Or, should I just be
patient, because they'll be added soon and no worries?

Katrina aka Bearblue

Jul 1, 2004, 2:55pm

Thank you to those of you who have responded. I'll cope... ;)

Katrina

Jul 1, 2004, 2:55pm

I'm not sure I understand the complaint. It looks to me like the gk *did*
do thier job by pointing out that the area was rated g. Am I missing
something?

Jul 5, 2004, 11:26pm

I liked it.

Art is ephemeral enough without pre-emptively deleting it. My painting
teacher from way back told me to wait a year before chucking a painting.
And then, after a year, to re-look at it. That has turned out to be one the
most valuable pieces of advice about my artwork I've ever recieved.

Thanks for sharing.

I'd link it, but since you say it's private I'll just be glad I had a chance
to look.

Katrina

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