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Jun 19, 2004, 12:27am

WOW another PayPal payment, this time not refering to your article,
linn, but anyway thanks!

Keep it up, Linn :)

Alex

[View Quote] >Oh and BTW Linn, thats for your article. I just got notification of
>PayPal of 3 new payments, explicitely stating your posting as reason.
>
>Thanks a lot!
>
>Alex
>
>On 18 Jun 2004 20:17:44 -0400, "linn" <ironhead at digitalpassage.com>
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Jun 19, 2004, 12:34am

Hey only three? Geez and I was gonna donate five to ya ... there goes that
idea!

LNH

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Jun 19, 2004, 12:47am

[View Quote] > lol Lady and your opinion is appreciated alto SOME of those ppl who have
> the donation buttons are very well off so it like an insult to some of us
> who scrape by.......and while they do a lot for AW they will find other
> ways to insult us as in this very NG and no one does a thing about it
> racial slurs religious slurs all against the AW so called rules
> but tell ya what lets get together and make a lil tin cup LOL
>
>

Where did you get the idea that "some" of the ppl are well off? How do you know their financial situation?
What does the donations have to do some "slurs" ?
This was a disgusting accusation you made :(((

Would you sell those tin cups?

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Andras
"It's MY computer" (tm Steve Gibson)

Jun 19, 2004, 1:11am

LOL I don't need to you are making a pretty good fool of yourself the way
it is
BTW I still have the insult you made wanna talk about that?
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Jun 19, 2004, 1:36am

Andras,

For me the problem is clearing up. Linn and few others attacked a
certain cit xxx in the ng a few weeks ago, accusing xxx of being a
child molester, leading up to accusations of being the head of a
pedofile ring. I expressed my opinion vehemently that this sort of
matter was to be reported to AWI and to the police, if there was
evidence, not to create a lynching atmosphere in the newsgroups.

As from that moment, I am also in disgrace with Linn and consorts. My
words are being used out of context (or not being used at all, just
'racial slur'). I am being exhorted in ng postings and even by
telegram and email:

---
Telegram from Linn, sent Wed May 26, 2004 22:47:
I would appreciate it if you could refrain from insulting the USA
after all you buy aw and they pay taxes so in fact YOU are doing the
same thing all Americans do please no racial insults either :-)
thanks
---

So it was no surprise to me Linn's posting here. It just shows to me
that the arguments she used against xxx were based on her own
emotions, not on anything real. Now it's not xxx, see this posting by
..sharon:

---
XelaG , Computers do not think.

As I read the NGs daily I have to add:

I"m tired of how you have been treating us here for the longest time,
but especially lately, finding ways to have public political debates
where you always lash out and complain about the USA. Now this date
thing you are endlessly going into a conniption about and oh how petty
your arguments have become. You have resorted to reducing yourself in
my eyes and those of others from an intelligent person with some wit
to this argumentative person with little input but obvious prejudice
and hatred.

Therefore, as a concerned citizen of AW, the USA, and the Nation, I'm
requesting that you stop poisoning our minds, the minds of my children
and everyone else's here with your hate campaign. It's not only
abusive but it's getting excruciatingly antagonistic. I don't want to
come to my NGs each day and listen to this anymore. I trust that you
do indeed think and understand the reasoning behind my request.
---

Well Andras, the world is full of freaks, and each is entitled to his
or her own opinion. It is a shame when opinions and beliefs become a
justification to insult and hassle people. When people consider the
world (or the ngs) to be their property. When apparently innocent
requests or postings are actually aimed at harming people.

Nothing in this original posting was justified. Linn's reply to my
posting just clears up the matter, and shows what she intended.

It was a pleasant surprise that I got, due to linns posting, a few
extra PayPal incomes... not quite what she meant, I think :)

Alex


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Jun 19, 2004, 1:53am

WOW Andras, can you maybe do somethig really BAD here? Contibutions
still pour into my PayPal account LOL.

Alex

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Jun 19, 2004, 4:23am

In my opinion I think we r all very lucky to be able to have the bots for
free when he could very well charge for it.So i dont see anything wrong with
asking for donations. and i think everyone that uses it and can afford it
send him some money and quit sniveling about it!. How selfish of the cits
that r whineing about a few $'s to donate! Shame on you!
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Jun 19, 2004, 6:32am

Alex,
Linn has mentioned no one person and could relate to any possible web site.

I'm really amazed you have brough up input from deleted threads as some
whipping stick. If I remember right it was you that stated you have placed
Linn's input onto a blocked senders list as you did not want to read her
input.

I do not use these newgroups for flamming and personal attacts, rather them
bring order and de-flame some situations.

If I wanted to make personal attacts I would copy across some of the emails
I have recieved from some people over the years, indeed some rather
threating ones that state, I quote:

"If you know whats good for you in aw you will dump Linn as a friend"

Again quoting Enzo: If a thread is not to your liking. don't contribute.

Jun 19, 2004, 8:14am

bah, 5? what am i gonna do with 5 identical cars? if you're gonna get me 5,
make 2 of them lamborginis :)

-SWE

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Jun 19, 2004, 2:16pm

Alex,

If that's the case then why do you dig up this past garbage and start this
over again? Can't you stay on topic? You put your foot in your own mouth
XelaG with your hateful behavior. You seldom comment about a topic for long
without somehow resorting to bashing the USA. Are you going to play this
out forever thinking it's ok to behave this way simply because you donate to
the community? Lots of people donate but they are not freaks, they are not
bashing your country (wherever that may be). All they want is for this
seemingly never-ending war in the Newsgroups to cease and desist.

People are not freaks for thinking that a certain person who constantly lies
and hurts others is not good for people to be around. Especially the new
people coming into Active Worlds which was one of their feeding grounds. Do
you not care about others in the community to the extent that you want
dozens of those who you have known all these years, those who you've shared
AW with all this time, to be abused by such a person? Or are you only this
way out of pure hatred with such stubbornness in refusal to show any
willingness for peace?

Sharon



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Jun 20, 2004, 3:47am

lol, i think everyones just taking everything out of context. There's a
diffrence between bashing something, and simple critisism. the US did change
everything around (words, pronounciation, formats, whatever) and thats a
reason to critisise. Nothing ment by it really, not like anyone person can
change it, just gotta learn not to take it personally and move on.
Same about the whole "con" thing, everyones taking that out of context,
maybe linn was just talking about it on a diffrent level, or didn't really
think it through, so wasn't able to express herself right, and so, everyone
sees it diffrently.
Think the reason is that ya'll seem out to get each other, will find any
reason to complain about what the other person said. oh well.

-SWE


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Jun 20, 2004, 10:15am

Funny, excatly same happened for me. I got one one donation that was not
excatly small.
We love you Linn, you help us con people; you are the master con ;-)

Drac

"xelag" <xelag at digitalspace.com> kirjoitti viestiss
news:qr57d05k381v01s2qu8lqcd5fcd61nl65f at 4ax.com...
> Oh and BTW Linn, thats for your article. I just got notification of
> PayPal of 3 new payments, explicitely stating your posting as reason.
>
> Thanks a lot!
>
> Alex
>
> On 18 Jun 2004 20:17:44 -0400, "linn" <ironhead at digitalpassage.com>
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Jun 20, 2004, 12:58pm

I thought you owned or operated myactiveworlds.com ?



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Jun 20, 2004, 1:31pm

swe, don't class me in with anyone who is "out to get" anyone else please.
I have no trouble expressing my thoughts which reflect my caring and concern
for the future of this community and program. I have nothing to gain by
being "out to get" anyone else. If you want to criticize you might want to
be specific because grouping people into a category to then say that the
group is doing this or that collectively is why this whole problem
continues. It's paranoia.

What linn does is of her own free will. I stand on my own here and need no
others in order to speak my mind clearly. We are not working behind the
scenes of the NGs plotting to overthrow Alex and his bots, nor anyone else
for that matter. Sometimes I agree with linn but this doesn't make us
consorts. When linn and I disagree we do NOT attack each other's family,
etc.

The people criticizing us for our use of English (which came to me through
one of my ancestors when they came over on the boat), are not exactly using
proper English themselves. What a lame attack in another post by another
person who said we "stole" a language. This makes me laugh though so thank
you for the humor (you know who you are).

I'm wanting to get above the saddening trouble in the world by talking to
people on another level. I don't pre-judge someone. I treat others the way
I'd want to be treated. I stand up for my rights and for what I believe in
even if that means not going along with the crowd when I think they are
wrong. I listen to others so that I can learn what they think so I read the
Newsgroups. It's part of Active Worlds which is a place to get past the
hatred.

Sharon

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Jun 20, 2004, 2:04pm

I think that's one of the problems here in aw and the ngs people go out of
there way to flame.

Good debate over any topic is good and enlighten, but when you never see the
same people attract the same protagonists of threads I do tend to consider
something is a foot.

Why can't people in this game try to learn about others cultures, its an
ideal medium for interaction and understanding, instead of using labeling
like it was a death wish and conduct vendettas or go out of their way to
create flaming.

To me some newsgroups out lived there use many years ago as they are used
only to try and discredit people and drive members out of aw. For instance
MR Bruce, like him or not was driven out and more.


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Jun 20, 2004, 3:23pm

LOL yeah, I rent a server have a few customers. Do I make any money? No.
It helps cover the fees of the server a bit though.

Drac
"wizard myrddin" <wizard at notforspamming.com> kirjoitti viestiss
news:40d5a618$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> I thought you owned or operated myactiveworlds.com ?
>
>
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Jun 20, 2004, 3:28pm

Oh I forgot.

I wonder what makes you aprove a person who make a model and sell it for 20$
and have a paypal button, but anothet person make a model give it away fror
free and have a paypal button IF one want to pay for it ?

D

"linn" <ironhead at digitalpassage.com> kirjoitti viestiss
news:40d31ce5$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> I have never seen so many ppl asking for donations in my life here
> that's a CON don't you know we ,well most of us, KNOW that!!!
>
>

Jun 20, 2004, 3:35pm

The difference I think is one is asking a certain amount for their work,
whilst the other is asking from those that can afford it any amount/s

Personally its not up to me to "approve" any what any person does, its their
own thoughts. I personally give away so people can enjoy.


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Jun 20, 2004, 3:38pm

Yes I know servers can cost a lot to rent and purchase, plus bandwidth
costs. I was only to happy a few years ago when I had to make the about to
close my JPG yards because of circumstances that Linn offered to pay the
rental for a year to save many members work from destroyed and in many
Universes, as many still link directly to the jpg.



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Jun 20, 2004, 3:49pm

wow, that was pretty annoying. you gotta read things more clearly, and no
need for a freakin speech, just a simple "you are right, we should just
forget about this silly fight" or, don't reply.

Who critisised? where do you see critisism in my post? you gotta read
properly! and i will classify whoever i want in the same catagory, when i
see it worthy, ty.

-SWE

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Jun 20, 2004, 6:29pm

SWE you're aggressive. I read what you had to say more than once. You may
need to re-read my post also. But if it drives you over the edge to read
then you might not want to tax yourself with the task. I wasn't giving a
speech but you wouldn't know that since you don't know me. This is how I
speak. I don't appreciate your insults.

What I see happen in here is that people say some pretty terrible things and
expect to get away with it by ducking out hoping that no one will actually
follow the posts.

SWE you also have trouble understanding what linn means about cons. I also
have met some cons in Active Worlds so linn is not wrong by saying "some"
people con in here.

This isn't a speech either. I'll let you know when I write one.

Sharon



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Jun 21, 2004, 2:27am

ok, and i never said there weren't any. what i did say though, is that
xelag, andras, count drac, builderz, etc, etc, all misunderstood linn's
post, and that linn (and you, and whoever else) misunderstood thiers. that
simple.

-SWE

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Jun 21, 2004, 1:35pm

Seems to me the people who took linn's post the wrong way are by and large
those who have PayPal buttons. When you've been in Active Worlds a while
you get to know who is CON or not though.



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Jun 21, 2004, 1:43pm

[View Quote] Then who specifically did linn refer to by "so many ppl asking for donations"
and why is that "a CON"?

--
Mauz
http://mauz.info

Jun 21, 2004, 2:29pm

Maybe she is referring to those panning for gold in the Newsgroups or Active
Worlds in general ? Seems to me that the NGs are where many frequent to
market their goods since they're widely read. Although there are cons
marketing in Active Worlds that do not post in the Newsgroups. Not all
those who sell what they create are cons. You may want to ask her what she
means though Mauz.
As for my experiences in this program over the years I have met a few cons.
Of course you get that with any society. I'm sure that not all those
accepting donations are conning but I don't know, on a personal level, those
who are in need and legitimately asking for these donations or whether it's
a marketing tactic.


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Jun 21, 2004, 2:52pm

I took it as a generalisation and a observance, nothing more, nothing less.

For instance for example

I never seen so many multilevel marketing schemes and must be a confidence
trick

Does not say X scheme is a con, nor does it say Z scheme is a con.

It says there is a proliferation of places asking for donations.




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Jun 21, 2004, 3:26pm

I believe the protagonist of the thread you mention was not Linn and
considering the thread mentioned no names whatsoever perhaps you could
inform us of the person?



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Jun 21, 2004, 3:32pm

xelag this is YOUR post or part of it i had reason to tell you that this
is an insult!!!
Good point, showing your barbaric state.

Not that there is ANY indication that the people who were tortured in
such a way had anything remotely to do with sept 11. And even if they
had, there is such thing as human rights and the Geneva convention.
Or do you still linch niggers in the USA?


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Jun 21, 2004, 3:46pm

Well i have to put my 2 cents in again. I think anyone that spends hours
making a bot and scripts for it and anyone making models that give them away
without charge for the community should have a paypal button and should
accept donations and I think those that can should be nice enough to send in
a donation if they r financially able to. After all, they could just sell
their product and then only the ones that can afford it will be able to use
it. Now seems to me that it is not a con to accept donations. A con is
asking for money without delivering the product. These ppl you guys r
complaining about give the product freely without being paid. So i think its
pretty darned nice of them and they dont deserve to be bashed or accused of
being a con.
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Jun 21, 2004, 3:49pm

I dont consider someone making and giving freely a viable product a con
scheme.
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