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Oct 25, 2002, 5:08am

Hi everyone:

Had just paid a visit to AW GZ and noticed there was an ad for a NEW
AlphaWorld. I'm wondering A). If it's just simply too good to be true
B). If it's just me and/or C). If it REALLY IS true, does anyone ANYONE
have ANY idea when it'll be rolled out and what new features (if any)
will it have???

I myself would LOVE to see a 3.3 compliant AlphaWorld complete with
roads and other objects that you can bend, twist and turn as you please
(this would REALLY be helpful in be able to design cloverleafs which are
FAR better than the one on North Pratt Boulevard at the River Of Lite
Expressway in Hamsterville) as well as to be able to build UNDERGROUND
(I know just what SW Chris must be thinking here.... :-)).

Anyhow, if ANYONE has any info, PLEASE DO POST!!! :-)

Cheers for now everyone :-)

PC Hamster

Oct 25, 2002, 5:16am

http://www.activeworlds.com/newsletter/0902/090202.html


[View Quote] Had just paid a visit to AW GZ and noticed there was an ad for a NEW
AlphaWorld. I'm wondering A). If it's just simply too good to be true
B). If it's just me and/or C). If it REALLY IS true, does anyone ANYONE
have ANY idea when it'll be rolled out and what new features (if any)
will it have???

I myself would LOVE to see a 3.3 compliant AlphaWorld complete with
roads and other objects that you can bend, twist and turn as you please
(this would REALLY be helpful in be able to design cloverleafs which are
FAR better than the one on North Pratt Boulevard at the River Of Lite
Expressway in Hamsterville) as well as to be able to build UNDERGROUND
(I know just what SW Chris must be thinking here.... :-)).

Anyhow, if ANYONE has any info, PLEASE DO POST!!! :-)

Cheers for now everyone :-)

PC Hamster

Oct 25, 2002, 5:51pm

www.pippin2.com/NewAW.htlm

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Oct 25, 2002, 10:07pm

unfortunately, you have to pay for everything, there is no local teleports,
and you don't have much money...

J

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Oct 25, 2002, 10:34pm

Might hafta rename it...... Hmmm ....

New REAL world ? :O/

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Oct 25, 2002, 10:37pm

Hi everyone:

[View Quote] > unfortunately, you have to pay for everything, there is no local teleports,
> and you don't have much money...

Not only that, but you can't hardly build a city there unless you hangout there
literally 24/7/365. :-(

But it's a good thing that the money is only virtual though, but that's not
saying a whole lot. :-/

It all goes back to the ol' "moving cities" debate IMHO....

I think if they were to move the existing cities from the old AlphaWorld to the
New AlphaWorld GRADUALLY over a period of time AND THEN let people buy land
with virtual money to build their home (and put those towns with not many
builds or builders, such as mine, at the top of the list until they no longer
need to be there).

But then too....OTOH....I suppose one could simply build a New AW extension of
their existing town too (especially in cases such as SW City and Mr. E's
Clearfield just to name a few) simply by adding a teleporter (though admittedly
it won't look very good).

However though....Having said all that, I don't think there's any doubt about
it that the old AW, which has served the AW Community well for so many years,
will eventually have to give way to the New AW. Hopefully by then, some (if
not all) of the MANY wonderful cities and towns will have a home on New AW.
:-)

Just my $.02 worth :-)

PC Hamster

Oct 26, 2002, 1:22am

Erm, if you actually read the link that kellee provided, NewAW is *not*
going to replace the old AW. NewAW is basically a virtual experiment,
and if it succeeds, it will expand. But NewAW is so totally different
from the old AW that a comparison between the two is almost impossible.
If anything, NewAW would server as a "summer home" of sorts to those who
"live" in the regular AW.

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--
Goober King
Like comparing apple.rwx and orange.rwx...
robrod at prism.net

Oct 26, 2002, 7:35am

Just hope it does not end up like that other last aw experiment the
"HomePages"

Just hopt AW does Pw the object path also as I can guarantee that some
Universes will be in and download it as soon as its open, Thus making the
"ecpererment a waste of time.


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Oct 26, 2002, 12:02pm

NewAW has much more than just new objects. It uses a custom world server to do quite a bit of the work for the world's features.

-Agent1

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Oct 26, 2002, 2:34pm

Should keep the aw hacking frat busy for days then
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Oct 27, 2002, 1:13am

Hi everyone:

[View Quote] > Erm, if you actually read the link that kellee provided, NewAW is *not*
> going to replace the old AW. NewAW is basically a virtual experiment,
> and if it succeeds, it will expand. But NewAW is so totally different
> from the old AW that a comparison between the two is almost impossible.
> If anything, NewAW would server as a "summer home" of sorts to those who
> "live" in the regular AW.

I did Goober. However I think that as AW improves the browser, the old AW will look
more and more outdated and will EVENTUALLY have to be retired. Hopefully by then,
most (if not all) of the objects will be migrated in some form over to the New AW,
which will be ANYTHING but an experiment.

The major problem AW will encounter during such a migration process will be builds
(and in some cases entire towns) created by people who are no longer citizens, but
have yet to make the NAC list. But then too, between AWCC and the AWHS, the builds
could be placed under the auspicies of either group.

Alternatively, AW could also award such builds to the cit who owns the nearest
adjacent builds and/or sponsor and "Adopt-A-Build" program whereas cits can place
their name into the ring to "adopt" or be "awared" such a build much like WebRing
does (or claims it does) with site rings which have been abandoned.

In any case, the build would have to meet a set criteria (or a portion thereof) so
that builds owned by cits whose cit expired less than a certain period of time don't
wind up losing their builds simply due to credit card problems encountered during the
renewal process. In other words, the cit would have to have been expired for SEVERAL
MONTHS with no hope of renewal before such a build makes the adoption list.

An adoption program would not only preserve the build, but also give current cits the
ability to improve on them as needed too. :-).

Okay gang....I'm through now. You can now go ahead with the process of calling me
insane or whatever.... :-)

Cheers for now :-)

PC Hamster

Oct 27, 2002, 9:41am

[View Quote] AW isnt goint to retire anything..... havent since 1995 and I highly doubt
they're going to start now.....
Think seriously for a moment about the huge number of citizens who have
builds there ( in the TENS of thousands, including NAC builds )
I doubt they'd be so heartless as to delete all that...... plus it's called
"history" Alpha World is just that.... the FIRST world....been there since
the inception and I'm pretty sure the reason it still IS here, has more to
do with that alone, than anything else. It's a showcasing of the company's
product's evolution.
To think that they'd just delete it, after keeping it all these years, is
just ridiculous...


>
> The major problem AW will encounter during such a migration process will
be builds
> (and in some cases entire towns) created by people who are no longer
citizens, but
> have yet to make the NAC list. But then too, between AWCC and the AWHS,
the builds
> could be placed under the auspicies of either group.
>
> Alternatively, AW could also award such builds to the cit who owns the
nearest
> adjacent builds and/or sponsor and "Adopt-A-Build" program whereas cits
can place
> their name into the ring to "adopt" or be "awared" such a build much like
WebRing
> does (or claims it does) with site rings which have been abandoned.
>
> In any case, the build would have to meet a set criteria (or a portion
thereof) so
> that builds owned by cits whose cit expired less than a certain period of
time don't
> wind up losing their builds simply due to credit card problems encountered
during the
> renewal process. In other words, the cit would have to have been expired
for SEVERAL
> MONTHS with no hope of renewal before such a build makes the adoption
list.
>
> An adoption program would not only preserve the build, but also give
current cits the
> ability to improve on them as needed too. :-).


I personally wouldnt want someone else taking ownership of my hard work and
many hours spent building / learning TO build, in Alpha...
Sure..... see a great build, grab it for yourself.... sheesh..... think
about it.......
I'd rather see it gone, or go NAC than have some other knucklehead take
"ownership" of my old builds
If it's such a great build, why should someone else who did nothing, be
allowed to put their name on it.......... *rolls eyes*

>
> Okay gang....I'm through now. You can now go ahead with the process of
calling me
> insane or whatever.... :-)

Ok.... You're insane or whatever :O/
>
> Cheers for now :-)
>
> PC Hamster
>

Oct 27, 2002, 7:28pm

> I did Goober. However I think that as AW improves the browser, the old AW
will look
> more and more outdated and will EVENTUALLY have to be retired. Hopefully
by then,
> most (if not all) of the objects will be migrated in some form over to the
New AW,
> which will be ANYTHING but an experiment.

Wow, I think someone has a major case of imagination. There are nearly a 100
people testing NewAW and the new AW3.4 browser right now and I think would
all concur that there will be no migrated property from AW to NewAW. This
includes the OP and Builds. 99% of all AW builds would never have a chance
of fitting onto a 3x3(20click square) property in NewAW. And most of the old
style objects from AW would not mesh with the cleaner and less ridged
looking objects found in NewAW. The concept of the 2 worlds is completely
different. In AW I have nearly half a million objects I've placed... at the
current rate of exchange in NewAW, that's roughly 50,000,000 credits I've
spent ;) No way in heck can I earn that much in NewAW in my entire lifetime
;) You will never see massive builds in NewAW. :) No doubt the current
system of earning credits may change, and the cost of objects to build with
will change on a per object basis.

AW will remain for years to come I believe. Too many people have spent too
much time in there building their labors of love, and I doubt that will ever
stop!

Oct 28, 2002, 2:48am

[View Quote] >I did Goober. However I think that as AW improves the browser, the old AW will look more and more outdated and will EVENTUALLY have to be retired. Hopefully by then, most (if not all) of the objects will be migrated in some form over to the New AW, which will be ANYTHING but an experiment.

AlphaWorld was the founding world of ActiveWorlds itself--do you really think they're gunna scrap it?

>The major problem AW will encounter during such a migration process will be builds (and in some cases entire towns) created by people who are no longer citizens, but have yet to make the NAC list. But then too, between AWCC and the AWHS, the builds could be placed under the auspicies of either group.

What migration process? NewAW != AlphaWorld. They're two completely different worlds.

>Alternatively, AW could also award such builds to the cit who owns the nearest adjacent builds and/or sponsor and "Adopt-A-Build" program whereas cits can place their name into the ring to "adopt" or be "awared" such a build much like WebRing does (or claims it does) with site rings which have been abandoned.

>In any case, the build would have to meet a set criteria (or a portion thereof) so that builds owned by cits whose cit expired less than a certain period of time don't wind up losing their builds simply due to credit card problems encountered during the renewal process. In other words, the cit would have to have been expired for SEVERAL MONTHS with no hope of renewal before such a build makes the adoption list.

>An adoption program would not only preserve the build, but also give current cits the ability to improve on them as needed too. :-).

I don't want someone who has been in AW for 5 minutes to take my buildings that took 5 months to do just because I decided AW wasn't my place to be anymore.

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