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Dec 26, 2001, 5:50pm

Win2k is one of the better windows.. it's not really for networking just it
has better capabilites then most other ones. Win98SE works fine.. just
because you've been messing with computers since you were 6 doesn't make you
any better at it ;). That's like saying.. I've gone fishing everday of my
life.. but I've never caught a fish. And since you seem to be having oh so
much trouble with your computer.. I suggest you scrap it and get a new one.
You most likely A. Have (a) bad sector(s) on your hard drive. B. Have a
very nasty virus/worm or C. an overclocked Chip.. that could explain
everything that's wrong with your computer.

--Bowen--

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Dec 26, 2001, 5:46pm

They all do that.. they're all under $100. Just go buy one and quit bugging
us about your junk CD-ROM.. a 50x CD-ROM is about $40 at most.

--Bowen--

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Dec 26, 2001, 8:31pm

CD-RW drives aren't always the best choice for CD-ROMs.. they're meant for
Writing, not reading.. you probably over worked it, although all can read..
they really shouldn't be used for that. And if you're only spending $100
for a CD-RW drive.. not much more you can expect but it to be a lemon.

--Bowen--

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Dec 28, 2001, 2:34pm

Smart guy :). Everyone should listen to him :)

--Bowen--

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Dec 28, 2001, 3:04pm

The fact that Linux takes time to learn now is a moot point. The learning
curve is a little harder then windows, but if you know your way around
windows Linux is extremely easy. Yes, he's right.. 80% of the internet
servers out there are Unix based machines. The reason why no one ports any
of these Unix things is because it's in Unix for a reason, to be part of the
open source movement against Microsoft's monopoly. They don't want their
hard time being rewritten for Windows :). Yes, Norton will mess up your MBR
so you can't access linux.. Norton has a funny way of dealing with things
that aren't viruses but do things a virus will do.

Linux runs it's own scandisk will booting up if an error occurs.. you don't
need to do it yourself.. truth is you probably won't be playing too many
games *not many available* but the ones that are.. are awesome
http://www.lokigames.com .

Linux doesn't fragment if you use it :). Unlike windows there's no need to
defragment it. Securing a linux box is easy.. get the latest patch for your
OS.. turn off anon FTP to your server, make sure your running the latest
apache.. that should be pretty secure.. of course if someone is a good
cracker and not a script kiddie they can get around the strongest of
protection.. maybe throw a hardware firewall in :) and configure the
software ones that come with linux.

I assume ipchains that you want a server to be a gateway so other computers
can access the net through it? That's simple but it's too long to post it
here :).. there's lots of documentation on the net for IP masquerading.

Navigating in Unix is easy.. cd is the same.. it's all in the book that
comes with it. :) Or you can use the GUI's that come with it and make your
life a little easier. Both GNOME and KDE are easy to use :).

Redhat 7.2 lets you configure exactly what you install.. you could install a
server, a workstation, a desktop config.. or make up your own :).

Hope that helps a little.

--Bowen--

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Dec 28, 2001, 6:33pm

> Then why the heck doesn't it screw up Windows? If there's ever been a
virus,
> Windows it is ;)

LoL yeah I agree.. it won't screw up windows because it's restoring the
original MBR that Linux put up there.. so if the MBR is messed.. Linux is
too. Windows is always a virus.. a trojan really.

> Biggest mistake you can ever make with Linux security is the root
password.
> It should be somthing really screwed up like
> K436shgfSg45763EeG
> Add some special characters if your system supports it

Definately.. you should follow this rule even if you're not using Linux.

> The average root password is somthing like "god" "love" "sex" in the case
of
> lonely sysops and for most everyone else a word like your girlfriend's
name,
> sports team, somthing personal. The biggest downfall of any Linux box is
> social engineering. Any information that can be stolen, obtained, beaten
out
> of one of your friends or researched including credit card numbers and
such
> should be avoided as well as ANY word or combination of words found in the
> dictionary.

Use foreign languages too ;) AlphOmE133bv442ghPhi33epsIlon would be a good
one of course don't use it now LoL

> One little thing to add here, "cd .." is the proper down level command,
> "cd.." works under DOS but it's my understanding that it won't on any
Linux
> console.

I think cd.. works on linux now *maybe just redhat and caldera*.. they added
a little while back for some of those windows cross over people.. but you
should use "cd .." in windows anyways :).. it's the proper use. Thanks for
adding those in.. I knew I was forgetting something.

--Bowen--

Dec 28, 2001, 8:38pm

Read further down the thread before you reply to just that.. it'll clear up
some other things :)

>If you're used to using a GUI, starting with a new operating system in a
totally different "mode" makes it that much harder. Then there's the fact
that all of the window managers and distributions are different (even if
only in small ways). Saying "I've got Linux" is a lot less specific as to
how you're running your system than saying "I've got Windows". Yes, there
are different versions of Windows, but they all use pretty much the same
"window manager".
>

KDE is identicle on all systems. There isn't too much difference between
KDE in redhat, KDE in OpenLinux, KDE in SuSE, and KDE in whatever else you
want to say.. this goes for GNOME as well. As with windows.. there's small
differences between the versions.

> Not really. Linux is made *by* hackers *for* hackers (I'm not talking
about people who break into things, people...). Lots of things are done via
the command line. If you're used to using a GUI, starting with a new
operating system in a totally different "mode" makes it that much harder.
Then there's the fact that all of the window managers and distributions are
different (even if only in small ways). Saying "I've got Linux" is a lot
less specific as to how you're running your system than saying "I've got
Windows". Yes, there are different versions of Windows, but they all use
pretty much the same "window manager".
>

It wasn't written for solely for the hackers.. it was just written so
people could have an affordable solution to Unix. Now that there's a much
larger support databse for it.. it's not just for a select few.

> So open source is a movement solely against Microsoft? What about *all* of
the other companies that don't release the code to their software. I don't
think you quite get it. People want to be free to do certain things with
their software, so they either write their own or find something that is
open sourced.
>

Open Source is a movement against all monopolistic companies.. how's that?
There isn't one definition that applies to it all.. it has different
meanings to different purposes.

> I'm pretty sure that depends on the filesystem you use. I find it hard to
believe that Linux's files aren't fragmented in some (if not most)
filesystems.

They may become fragmented if you mess around with the filesystem in ways
you shouldn't.. but if something major happens.. usually it's detected and
repaired. Ext2 tends not to fragment if it ever has.. I've never noticed.
If it fragmented at all.. don't you think there'd be some serious server
issues with websites all over the world? Not only that.. most are unmanned,
so if it DID fragment.. that problem could get pretty bad

> Uhh... what you just described should be enough to secure *any* operating
system. Linux is not secure right out of the box. Neither is Windows. If you
take the time on either, though, they can be just as secure as the other.

The point is.. Unix systems are a great deal more secure then windows.. is
and will ever be, even out of the box.

Just my two cents.

--Bowen--

Dec 31, 2001, 9:06pm

make one :) I'll use it.

--Bowen--

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Dec 31, 2001, 6:59pm

I think it's for AW only :)

--Bowen--

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Jan 1, 2002, 12:55am

> lol...let me me guess....tourist?

I'd put money on that :)

--Bowen--

Jan 1, 2002, 3:04pm

It only really majorly concearns XP. It only applies to the other ones if
you've taken the time to install it.. which most people haven't. In which
case it shouldn't be installed :). Universal Plug and Play? This truely
shows the genius at Microsoft at work again.

--Bowen--

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Jan 1, 2002, 6:19pm

It's basically an advanced network system.. but ordinary users don't need it
or want it. Regular TCI/IP works just fine if you're putting 2 computers
together for any reason. :) The fact that it comes enabled makes me wonder
what else MS puts into my Windows OS that I don't know about.

--Bowen--

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Jan 1, 2002, 7:18pm

Yeah that's true, but NetBEUI can be dangerous as well.. if you use a
computer as a gateway there won't be nearly as much as a problem.. as always
password your system :)

--Bowen--

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Jan 1, 2002, 8:35pm

I'm pretty sure they do.. but you never know what's possible.. especially
after this stuff :). Thanks Wiz for posting it.

--Bowen--

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Jan 2, 2002, 8:44pm

LoL They're finding the flaws because a nice cracker group will tell them.
:) Without those nice crackers the bad ones would ruin the computer
industry. Switch to Unix/Linux/BSD/Mac for other alternatives, which are
extremely more secure then windows.. hopefully AW will release a non
DLL/Unix SDK so we can make a linux port.

--Bowen--

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Jan 2, 2002, 9:35pm

Please don't spam the Newsgroups.. we understand how you feel but this isn't
the place to post this kind of "garbage" for lack of a better word.

--Bowen--

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Jan 5, 2002, 2:01pm

Please do not flood the newsgroup, it will not get you the bot.

--Bowen--

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Jan 5, 2002, 8:33pm

That's one error.. 3 different newsgroups all at the same time.. multiple
identicle messages and a couple that are similar but different.. it's
called pressing the buttone more then once.

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Jan 5, 2002, 11:16pm

I know, just pointing out to anduin that it's not the program that's at
error.

I realise it happens when you first use something but when you see something
like that happen with Outlook, it's usually a user error.

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Jan 7, 2002, 4:36am

To be politically correct you can't say god ;) (could be johava, allah, etc
al). Man applies to the human race, women are part of this race. Take of
the hu and you get man :). The correct terms would be "male" and "female"
LoL. Just thought I'd correct some of those minor details.. the rest are
ok.

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Jan 7, 2002, 10:32am

> since when was sex a crime? i dont really get the whole Clinton thing.....

It isn't a crime. The were trying to impeach him for lying under oath about
having sex though, which is a crime. :)

--Bowen--

Jan 7, 2002, 5:46pm

Great way to put it :). Photons are "nothing" in theory since they have no
mass. And photons were one of the things that were theorized to have
created the big bang. heh.

--Bowen--

[View Quote] "The current state of knowledge can be summarised thus:
In the beginning, there was nothing, which exploded."
(Terry Pratchett)

Aine


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Jan 7, 2002, 5:47pm

Well they probably would've still impeached him. But since the democrats
held the majority of the legislature he wouldn't have been removed from
office. Our system needs to be redone.. you can't bring someone up on
impeachment charges based on that he had sex with someone in the whitehouse.

--Bowen--

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Jan 7, 2002, 8:53pm

That would make them nothing in a literal sense. Not in the theoretical
sense LoL.

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Jan 8, 2002, 12:20am

No it's iahova according to their language. We change it to jahova for
spelling purposes (i sounds like a j) LoL. I was having a bad spelling day
originally. And trekker.. you were trying to be "politically correct."
Saying god doesn't make that true. If you want to be politically correct
you need to address all aspects. The only plausable way to do that would be
to say, "When the human species came into existance,..."

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Jan 8, 2002, 6:16pm

LoL yeah, Christianity, Islam, and Judiasm are all the same religion. Islam
came from Christianity and Christianity came from Judiasm. For those that
don't believe me, Christ was Jewish, Mohammed was Christian I believe. :)
Useless knowledge has been forced into my head by standardized testing.

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Jan 9, 2002, 1:24am

No.. cults are a religious sect, not a religion, which is believed to be
false. Religions are occults not cults. Yes there is a difference between
the two LoL.

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Jan 9, 2002, 10:38am

You're right, I was agreeing with you. Why do people like to challenge me
when I agree with what they're saying? ;) I was disagreeing with Trekker.

--Bowen--

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Jan 9, 2002, 6:11pm

Lmao, just sit down. :)

--Bowen--

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Jan 12, 2002, 3:27am

> Since when was coffee not a "simple word"? *boggle*

Or either or miss. Possibly can't, but we can excuse that because it's
grammar. :)

--Bowen--

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