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Aug 31, 2003, 8:17pm

You really are out of news://news.activeworlds.com/control

- Mark

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Sep 1, 2003, 3:11pm

That is a real newsgroup ^_^

- Mark

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Sep 12, 2003, 3:33pm

Are you basing it off a query? Only ever deal with 'live' data, thats data
that you know exists....

While the code Andras posted its correct, you have to be absolutly sure that
you have the live data for the objects X and Z coordinate, as well as its
number... then use this...

aw_int_set(AW_OBJECT_OLD_NUMBER, lngObjectNumber);
aw_int_set(AW_OBJECT_OLD_X, lngObjectX);
aw_int_set(AW_OBJECT_OLD_Z, lngObjectZ);

That will fully reference what you are after... coordinate X and Z are
needed for the database to find the object in a relitivly quick time... can
you imagine trying to query 10,000,000 database records every single time
you change an object? There is always a user-based local store but thats
getting too much to elaborate on here.

- Mark

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Sep 17, 2003, 3:15pm

Appart from the joint runtime... C# really isnt a language that will be of
any particular use.. its kinda RDP but its mixing of styles makes you 'not
too good at one thing, not too good at another' whereas if you focused your
energies into a specific language (I would advise C++).. the benefits will
pay you back 100 times more than any other language.

- Mark

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Sep 18, 2003, 3:16pm

Quite possibly true... there are a lots of hated languages by a lot of
different people on here... but the arguments Joe has put foward is valid.

- Mark

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Sep 18, 2003, 3:57pm

Speaks someone who has to use personal insults instead of presenting an
opposing argument.

- Mark

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Nov 1, 2003, 9:15pm

erm... what the hell do you think an enum is...?

- Mark

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Nov 2, 2003, 9:57am

Then.... you would know that the posts from both Starfleet and Joe were
correct and Starfleets were correct. A number value given by Starfleet is
actually more towards what you asked for... Even if Joe's was the
technically correct answer...

- Mark R

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Feb 27, 2004, 9:50pm

A AW_EVENT_AVATAR_CHANGE occurs every [x] ms. Bump events happen every
single loop (so thats currently 40 times a second)

- Mark R

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Nov 19, 2003, 5:02pm

True.

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Dec 7, 2003, 12:36pm

[View Quote] www.activeworlds.com/sdk/ add sdk. infront of everything...

> You can build objects anywhere within the building limits of the world. If
> you can teach your bot how to do things, then you're one damn good AI
> programmer ;-)

Either that or you do a nice loop that tries setting every attribute in
every combination with every value and you slap the bot when it does it
wrong so it dosent do it again :O

> As for terrain sensing that's a bit more complex since AWI never bothered
> to properly document terrain. I'm sure someone here can help you with it.
>
> KAH

Dec 13, 2003, 10:03am

Yes... didnt you read the help files?....

- Mark

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Dec 7, 2003, 12:36pm

Erm... they all have the same...

I suppose VB has things like Long2IP and such... but then again C++ has the
proper stuff.

- MR

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Dec 7, 2003, 1:58pm

All in all, if your going to be making little bots that do things like seed,
or respond to simple commands then you are looking at something like VB /
Java as your best choise.

However, if you are developing massive 2 or 3MB bots using complex API,
winsock for things like reverse DNS etc, C++ is your best bet, the others
can do em, but you run around the houses, and you don't get the ub3r benefit
of pointers.

- MR

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Dec 8, 2003, 5:49pm

[View Quote] True, however considering your writing it anyway... you might as well use
the C DLL..

> I don't know if there actually is anything extra in any of the wrappers
> available, but it's certainly possible for there to be.

Yes, mostly some conversion stuff...

> Using a third party wrapper though means that you will probably have to
> wait until some time after a new release from AWI before the new features
> become available in the particular wrapper you've chosen.

True, remember the fiasco with people demanding a VB DLL and they were
waiting months...

> Given that AWI's beta's or alpha's or whatever are by invitation only,
> I would be leery using anyones wrapper since there is no guarantee
> they will be able to keep it up to date with whatever AWI is doing
> with the core SDK.

SDK gets updated very rarley... However, I think 80% of the Alpha / Beta
team must be coders anyhow...

> Stick with the official AWI SDK, or risk everything you do breaking
> on you one day with no warning.

The other thing is, the question of support. With the C DLL you can get an
(almost) unlimitted amount of help with anything you want as C++ is the most
popular language among high-power developers in here, also being what AW is
made in it offers the best options for compatability. Examples are things
like Byte Union's to set terrain textures, MThreading on multiple bots
(using correct locking - Cheers Miles).

Personally, after trying (in quantity) with using the C and the VB SDK's, it
seems to me that the C wrapper has greater flexibility to operate, granted
multiple instances may be more difficult, but when it comes to things such
as setting which function names etc that conform to your existing code for
things like events / callbacks, C++ is the clear winner because of its
pointer capability.

Also, if you start using Visual Basic with complex GUI's, you may find your
tools racking up substantial external OCX controls that you would need to
also distribute which does not always have the same capability as DLL
Import. This means more probs client side when others try to use your tools
with VB. There is also the problem of cross-platform compatability, with VB
it near enough dosent exist, although Linux can interprit if, albit slowly.

Personally, I would say that you should never decide on functions at all, I
remember a nice argument with Shamus (or was it Grimm?) in NewAW when we
were arguing about a data system that one of them uses, they use 3rd party
code, I wrote my own dynamic XML-Style tag handling. Now while whichever one
of em it was had the point that they didnt need to write the code
themselves, and it was quicker, I would be pretty interested to know if they
could do it themselves with ease. If your coding, you might as well learn
from it and not use 'invisible code' so to speak. Hell I know a lot of the
SDK coders look even beyond the AWAPI into the actual protocol.

Consider this situation:

You want to make a bot that looks up users IP's and saves them to a log when
a person enters the world. You toodle along with the VB SDK and make it with
ease... it works fine... Until... One of your users asks you to add a
reverse DNS to this. You do, using advanced Visual Basic API. This lil
beasty.

struct hostent FAR * PASCAL FAR gethostbyaddr(IN const char FAR * addr, IN
int len, IN int type);

So ok, you use the API to put it into VB... Works fine, you trundle along...
your DNS server screws up on one IP and your bot freezes for 10 seconds
waiting for an event; then it explodes. Answer: Multithreading, VB
capabilities of (any realistic levels of) Multithreading: Zero. You end up
having to recode the entire ruddy thing into C++ anyway just to put in a
function you could have (almost) done straight off if you chose the right
language to start with.

Scenario 1: You are just going to make a seedbot, maybe a tiny bit of
complex maths to define the range with which a random number can be in.
Whalla, its a seedbot, thats what it is, never going to be anything more,
VB's ability to make GUI's kicks ass and VB is the perfect system to make it
in...

Scenario 2: Your going to be making a system handling winsock connections,
huge databases, thousands upon thousands of lines of code, 5+ bots (Andras's
Hunt bot must be capable of supporting at least 36,000 of em?). You start
with VB... you make it... by the *counts* 11,000th line mark... Everythings
screwed because your having to use rediculously shite code (hell look at
collections in VB... vs the C++ equivilent). Everything dies, open up C++
and get on with it again when you should have used C++ in the first place.

Its a matter of chosing what, nothing wrong with developing in multiple
languages if you know them.

- MR

Dec 7, 2003, 3:55pm

sdk.aw_int_set(AW_OBJECT_X, lngX)
sdk.aw_int_set(AW_OBJECT_Y, 10)
sdk.aw_int_set(AW_OBJECT_Z, lngZ)
sdk.aw_int_set(AW_OBJECT_YAW, 0)
sdk.aw_int_set(AW_OBJECT_YAW, 0)
sdk.aw_int_set(AW_OBJECT_YAW, 0)
sdk.aw_string_set(AW_OBJECT_MODEL, "walk001.rwx")
sdk.aw_string_set(AW_OBJECT_ACTION, "")
sdk.aw_string_set(AW_OBJECT_DESCRIPTION, "My first seed object - Good Isnt
it?")
sdk.aw_object_add

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Dec 8, 2003, 5:53pm

I noticed that after! Meant to set tilt and roll!

- MR

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Dec 8, 2003, 5:58pm

You mean this one?

aw_citizen_delete (322721);

?

- MR


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Dec 11, 2003, 5:25pm

Erm... well he may know... but unless there is some strange attribute none
of the alpha, beta or main team have spotted he must be sneaking into Ricks
draw.

- MR

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Dec 8, 2003, 5:49pm

In a recent joint operation, Microsoft and Borland have announced their
knowledge of a virus designed to target source code.

The virus, known as acpp.die works across many platforms including Windows,
Linux, OS/2 and Unix and has been responsible for hundreds of thousands of
hours of work lost.

Described by a representative of Borland as 'A virus that is extremely
destructive in that it deletes all binary { and }'s from all dot c / dot
cpp files on the computer' but stated 'we are taking action to work together
to stop this virus from spreading and disrupting your coding'.

In a later statement, the anti-virus project manager at Microsoft made the
following statement:

'We are working extremely hard to combat this virus, but the full force of
this virus is still completely out of scope'... :)

- MR

Dec 13, 2003, 10:03am

int aw_session(void)

- Mark R

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Dec 25, 2003, 4:17pm

Jan 15, 2004, 4:39pm

You are invited to use SDK for its purpose. :)

- MR

Jan 17, 2004, 4:46pm

Unless your the r00t bot.

- Marky R

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Jan 17, 2004, 8:06pm

Best bet is using WS to download all the search pages and search em.

- MR

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Jan 21, 2004, 6:24pm

Imposter = Anti-Clone Hash Failed to Identify Correctly or Hash not Correct

Jan 21, 2004, 5:24pm

You have to supply the winsock data though a buffer, so when its full you
cant add any more commands. Its why sending huge strings though winsock at
once wont work.

- Mark R

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Jan 26, 2004, 7:17pm

Nah, because the SDK has to queue the messages so that it can send it with
the individual packets.

- MR

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Jan 21, 2004, 6:25pm

Are you wanting to:

a) Program an SDK bot to do it
b) Use another bot to do it
c) Make me thing every post you post is me.

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Jan 21, 2004, 7:38pm

Would help if you told us what programming language you know / what
compilers...

If the answer to any of these is 'i dont ' [know/have] 'any'... then you
will get slapped.

- Mark R

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