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E N Z O!! YOU GO GO GO GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Community)
E N Z O!! YOU GO GO GO GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! // Community
Aug 1, 2001, 6:21pm
They're listening, but their comprehension skills need a little work... Read Goober's letter and then their reply. Do the replies
truly fit the letter? Loosely, yeah. But they missed the point of it all. Touchable, tangible proof for ya.
[View Quote]"j b e l l" <jbell1983 at home.com> wrote in message news:3b67a9d7$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> That is so one-sided.
>
> This is the exact proclimation I have been making with regards to AW "not listening"
>
> How do you know that they don't listen? Simply because they don't respond? BAH! You people make me sick, some times..
>
> "kah" <kah at kahbot.com> wrote in message news:3b674252$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> : I know that you worked for them... I know a lot of stuff, but how do you
> : know I don't know? You can't know that. And you don't know what I know
> : either, so that was stupid to say.
> :
> : KAH
> :
> : "moria" <moria at colony.co.uk> wrote in message
> : news:3b67409e$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> : > see my comments to your comments, your flaws dont hold up, the maths is
> : > completely wrong.. again:) You are the only one trying to propogate a
> : > trick by deliberately quoting erroneous conversion rates to make it look
> : > like you have got an argument.
> : >
> : > As mentioned elsewhere in this thread, if you can do better do it, but I
> : > suspect all you can really do is whine.
> : >
> : > You obviously dont know the history of AWCOM, and are not prepared to
> : learn
> : > it.
> : >
> : > Moria
> : >
> : >
> : > kah <kah at kahbot.com> wrote in message
> : > news:3b671a1a$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> : > > that was said to make us feel simpathy with them, it's just a trick...
> : and
> : > I
> : > > uncovered a few flaws in it... just look at my reply to the original
> : post
> : > of
> : > > the reply.
> : > >
> : > > KAH
> : >
> : >
> : >
> :
> :
>
>
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Aug 1, 2001, 6:26pm
I thought you said they listened...
Anyway, Fac and Flagg have always gotten back to me in fairly rapid order, except on weekends, as has Roland. I'm thinking the mail
server ate some messages because both justin and now tony have said that their emails weren't answered, and in the case of justin,
never recieved.
[View Quote]"j b e l l" <jbell1983 at home.com> wrote in message news:3b684830$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> don't e-mail support.. that was your first mistake.. add facter and flagg to your CL and just tgram bomb them when they get online
> :-)
>
> "tony m" <tony at triton-dynamics.iwarp.com> wrote in message news:3b67a999.5659750 at news.activeworlds.com...
> : could you start by answering support email more quickly? i experienced
> : a problem with my trial world, and for 3+ days now i've gotten no
> : reply. [dont bother now though, the world went only 2 days ago]
> :
> : On 1 Aug 2001 01:34:51 -0400, "facter" <facter at activeworlds.com>
> : wrote:
> :
> : *snip*
> :
> : - Tony M.
>
>
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Aug 1, 2001, 6:29pm
[View Quote]"captain mad mike" <cmadmike at crosswinds.net> wrote in message news:3b68306b at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> I'm no much better than an ant to them or something...
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*shrug* Ants can drive you nuts in the long run.
Aug 1, 2001, 9:08pm
Yea, I especially dig the "10 years fulltime (if 60 hour weeks and no weekends count as fulltime)" part. Boo fuckin' hoo, Rick. What the HELL do you (and your sleazeball buttbuddy JPeePee) need $160K/year for? What the FUCK do you do to earn it? Roland should be the one getting that kind of money, NOT you--he does FAR more work to keep AW alive and going than you do or even have...EVER! What would you do if he went on strike, hmm? Who would be able to get up to speed quick enough before AW died out? You'd be strapped by your piddly little balls is what YOU'D be, punk. So you better start listening to him and stop treating him like shit or you WILL see AW go under--don't EVER fucking doubt that...EVER!
[View Quote]
> Bleh, we all know that this is just a guilt trick to make us feel sad for
> bashing enzo and the rest of the AW management because they ignore their
> home customers in favor of the corporate customers who have more money, yeah
> so I guess since I'm only paying for E N Z O to sleep in his chair all day
> I'm no much better than an ant to them or something...
Aug 1, 2001, 9:27pm
Roland is the most valueable part of the company, I'd guess (no offense, you
others), because if he should quit (and especially if HamFon did the same)
they wouldn't have any original programmers left, and I doubt that any other
programmer would be able to do ANYTHING with the AW code for a long, long
time, just figuring it out...
KAH
[View Quote]"eep" <eep at tnlc.com> wrote in message news:3B688A76.6FE1E4F3 at tnlc.com...
> Yea, I especially dig the "10 years fulltime (if 60 hour weeks and no
weekends count as fulltime)" part. Boo fuckin' hoo, Rick. What the HELL do
you (and your sleazeball buttbuddy JPeePee) need $160K/year for? What the
FUCK do you do to earn it? Roland should be the one getting that kind of
money, NOT you--he does FAR more work to keep AW alive and going than you do
or even have...EVER! What would you do if he went on strike, hmm? Who would
be able to get up to speed quick enough before AW died out? You'd be
strapped by your piddly little balls is what YOU'D be, punk. So you better
start listening to him and stop treating him like shit or you WILL see AW go
under--don't EVER fucking doubt that...EVER!
>
> captain mad mike wrote:
>
for
yeah
day
>
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Aug 1, 2001, 11:17pm
$160,000 a year personal pay? Thats $13,333.33 a month, $3333.33 a week. Subtract $200 for food (Assuming they're into the health
food stuff or have 5 kids) weekly, $3000 montly for a new Dell computer that could easily be built for $1000, that leaves about....
$113600. Pay the bills, build a house, a few new cars (A humvee and a corvette would do) and you're flat broke. Thats hard livin
Eep.
Just wondering, where'd the 160k figure come from?
[View Quote]"eep" <eep at tnlc.com> wrote in message news:3B688A76.6FE1E4F3 at tnlc.com...
> Yea, I especially dig the "10 years fulltime (if 60 hour weeks and no weekends count as fulltime)" part. Boo fuckin' hoo, Rick.
What the HELL do you (and your sleazeball buttbuddy JPeePee) need $160K/year for? What the FUCK do you do to earn it? Roland should
be the one getting that kind of money, NOT you--he does FAR more work to keep AW alive and going than you do or even have...EVER!
What would you do if he went on strike, hmm? Who would be able to get up to speed quick enough before AW died out? You'd be strapped
by your piddly little balls is what YOU'D be, punk. So you better start listening to him and stop treating him like shit or you WILL
see AW go under--don't EVER fucking doubt that...EVER!
>
> captain mad mike wrote:
>
>
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Aug 2, 2001, 1:19am
From AWC's SEC filings.
[View Quote]
> $160,000 a year personal pay? Thats $13,333.33 a month, $3333.33 a week. Subtract $200 for food (Assuming they're into the health
> food stuff or have 5 kids) weekly, $3000 montly for a new Dell computer that could easily be built for $1000, that leaves about....
> $113600. Pay the bills, build a house, a few new cars (A humvee and a corvette would do) and you're flat broke. Thats hard livin
> Eep.
>
> Just wondering, where'd the 160k figure come from?
[View Quote]> "eep" <eep at tnlc.com> wrote in message news:3B688A76.6FE1E4F3 at tnlc.com...
> What the HELL do you (and your sleazeball buttbuddy JPeePee) need $160K/year for? What the FUCK do you do to earn it? Roland should
> be the one getting that kind of money, NOT you--he does FAR more work to keep AW alive and going than you do or even have...EVER!
> What would you do if he went on strike, hmm? Who would be able to get up to speed quick enough before AW died out? You'd be strapped
> by your piddly little balls is what YOU'D be, punk. So you better start listening to him and stop treating him like shit or you WILL
> see AW go under--don't EVER fucking doubt that...EVER!
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Aug 2, 2001, 6:04pm
lol.. ouch.. i had that coming, huh..
well.. generaly they listen.. but i don't know if you can count support, they've always been kinda seperate from the company, in
most cases, anyhow.
[View Quote]"wing" <bathgate at prodigy.net> wrote in message news:3b686613 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
: I thought you said they listened...
:
: Anyway, Fac and Flagg have always gotten back to me in fairly rapid order, except on weekends, as has Roland. I'm thinking the
mail
: server ate some messages because both justin and now tony have said that their emails weren't answered, and in the case of justin,
: never recieved.
: "j b e l l" <jbell1983 at home.com> wrote in message news:3b684830$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
: > don't e-mail support.. that was your first mistake.. add facter and flagg to your CL and just tgram bomb them when they get
online
: > :-)
: >
: > "tony m" <tony at triton-dynamics.iwarp.com> wrote in message news:3b67a999.5659750 at news.activeworlds.com...
: > : could you start by answering support email more quickly? i experienced
: > : a problem with my trial world, and for 3+ days now i've gotten no
: > : reply. [dont bother now though, the world went only 2 days ago]
: > :
: > : On 1 Aug 2001 01:34:51 -0400, "facter" <facter at activeworlds.com>
: > : wrote:
: > :
: > : *snip*
: > :
: > : - Tony M.
: >
: >
:
:
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Aug 3, 2001, 3:01am
Everyone has their perceptions... Rick and JP are trying their hardest,
I'm sure. Like me though, everyone may have missed the point about the
community in Goober's letter and concentrated more on the features or what
AWCom didn't do instead. Ultimately I think what AWCom didn't do is the hot
button topic in this forum, instead of the greater good of the community or
what AWCom is doing to help the community in the future.
Also I'd like to know if Rick and JP will address their alleged lack of
personal involvement in the community and what they plan to do about it if
anything. Perhaps a press release or something on the website, where
everyone can see, not just the newsgroup community. :)
SW Chris
[View Quote]"facter" <facter at activeworlds.com> wrote in message
news:3b6794fb at server1.Activeworlds.com...
>
> greedy initially, he and his butt buddy JP sure as fuck are now!
>
> They arte not greedy even now, you jsut dont get it do you.
>
> And the proof? Rick wrote that letter, and I think he did a good job of
> addressing Goobers concerns.
>
> Oh hang on, I'm filters arnt I Eep? or was that just you just talking
> through your....guess we'll see if you reply to this huh ? =)
>
> Anyways, Rick and Tom did a good job I believe of addressing Goobs'
letter,
> they discussed it quite a bit, and I talked to Tom about it alot. I hope
you
> guys can see a little more maybe of where things are coming from.
>
> Its like I said - before I started working for the company, alot of my
ideas
> of it were distorted, and, having worked there for a year now, I have to
> say, things are really not what a dissedent few think them to be...there
is
> alot of love for this product in the company, and alot of love for the
> community, I think the only reason that many people dont see it, is
because
> they are too busy bagging the things that the company *doesnt* do - which
is
> fair enough, there IS alot we dont do, but we try our hardest every
> day....and we are only human.
>
> So, lets see if I really AM filtered huh ? =)
>
> F.
>
on
worked
> for
> his
> able
> purchase
> struggled
on
Several
savings
> or
bring
at
> all.
>
>
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Aug 3, 2001, 3:04am
Immature? Hah. You should know.
SW Chris
[View Quote]"kah" <kah at kahbot.com> wrote in message
news:3b67e051$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> ok, you're stupid, it really wasn't necessary, the interested ppl would
have
> read it from the original thread anyway. And you behave very immaturely,
> with your "SMILE ENZO LOVES YOU" replies...
>
> KAH
>
> "aw explorer" <exploringaw at hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:3b676414$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
seems
hardships
the
>
>
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Aug 3, 2001, 3:06am
I see it as an attempt at customer relations. Successful or not, that's all
it was. The corporations of America don't busy themselves with guilt
tricks. For one thing it's not professional, and for the second thing, it's
very childish.
SW Chris
[View Quote]"captain mad mike" <cmadmike at crosswinds.net> wrote in message
news:3b68306b at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> Bleh, we all know that this is just a guilt trick to make us feel sad for
> bashing enzo and the rest of the AW management because they ignore their
> home customers in favor of the corporate customers who have more money,
yeah
> so I guess since I'm only paying for E N Z O to sleep in his chair all day
> I'm no much better than an ant to them or something...
>
>
>
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Aug 3, 2001, 10:05am
I only flame gnomes...
KAH
[View Quote]"sw chris" <chrisw10 at nckcn.com> wrote in message
news:3b6a30e8 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> Immature? Hah. You should know.
>
> SW Chris
>
> "kah" <kah at kahbot.com> wrote in message
> news:3b67e051$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> have
> seems
> hardships
O
can
I
> the
>
>
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Aug 10, 2001, 4:52pm
It is you prerogative to see things any way you wish. There was nothing in
that post slanted to gain your respect or pity. I am merely explaining in a
personal reply to Goober King the reason why his insinuation was false. He
had addressed it to "To Whom it may concern". He chose to post it not I.
The fact he snipped the text I included tells me that perhaps he is being
incendiary
If you read my words you will see the history of AW. Those are some of the
facts of its inception. We had practically no money and we worked really
hard. The people who were employed here at the time were very talented and
worked very hard. They were not able to make the utopian dreams of not
getting a paycheck but having a great job and still be able to pay the bills
work for them. Not one line of code was ever written for AW without having a
check being attached to it.
I assume that you have a job and if so are probably paid. Those are
realities none of us escape. Some of us are able to go out on a limb for a
time with the risk that it could crash and burn. No pity is needed, it
worked out.
Our success does not mean that we now have to do what every Goober King
tells us, nor does it give us free reign to ignore him. Many of his ideas
are valid and good. I have suggested that he work along with JBELL. The
suggestion to create a world in which we can talk together was discussed at
the Reunion. Everyone seemed to think it was a good idea. Why not work
together instead of fractioning off into splinter groups? GK has a lot to
add. Can he work with AWDebate? Does he want to? Does he need to be the man
in charge? Does HE represent a majority? He does not address these issues
with me.
It has been brought up several times as to, "why don't Rick and JP
participate in the community?" It is simply that no matter what we say we
get flamed by some very vocal posters who claim to speak for the majority.
You refuse to listen because you hold on with desperation to your petty
conspiracy theories. You plot to bring down stock prices or stage a revolt
so people won't register. When a feature is added it isn't the right one for
you. When we explain why we do something we are "greedy" or lying. It is
very disheartening to work hard and then be sworn at, called an idiot or be
told that you are lying. Many of the topics betray the ignorance of a small
but very vocal group of zealots. It is quite frankly a waste of time to
debate with flamers. If this is how you like to spend your time, that is
your right. I do not think it reflects the majority. I know it does nothing
to improve your community or the software we write.
The software, the community and the company are here to stay. Why not lose
the attitude and make it better?
E N Z O
[View Quote]sw chris <chrisw10 at nckcn.com> wrote in message
news:3b6a3158$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> I see it as an attempt at customer relations. Successful or not, that's
all
> it was. The corporations of America don't busy themselves with guilt
> tricks. For one thing it's not professional, and for the second thing,
it's
> very childish.
>
> SW Chris
>
> "captain mad mike" <cmadmike at crosswinds.net> wrote in message
> news:3b68306b at server1.Activeworlds.com...
for
> yeah
day
>
>
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Aug 10, 2001, 6:28pm
Hear hear. 'Nuff said.
SW Chris
[View Quote]"e n z o" <enzo at activeworlds.com> wrote in message
news:3b742d62$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> It is you prerogative to see things any way you wish. There was nothing in
> that post slanted to gain your respect or pity. I am merely explaining in
a
> personal reply to Goober King the reason why his insinuation was false. He
> had addressed it to "To Whom it may concern". He chose to post it not I.
> The fact he snipped the text I included tells me that perhaps he is being
> incendiary
>
> If you read my words you will see the history of AW. Those are some of the
> facts of its inception. We had practically no money and we worked really
> hard. The people who were employed here at the time were very talented and
> worked very hard. They were not able to make the utopian dreams of not
> getting a paycheck but having a great job and still be able to pay the
bills
> work for them. Not one line of code was ever written for AW without having
a
> check being attached to it.
>
> I assume that you have a job and if so are probably paid. Those are
> realities none of us escape. Some of us are able to go out on a limb for a
> time with the risk that it could crash and burn. No pity is needed, it
> worked out.
>
> Our success does not mean that we now have to do what every Goober King
> tells us, nor does it give us free reign to ignore him. Many of his ideas
> are valid and good. I have suggested that he work along with JBELL. The
> suggestion to create a world in which we can talk together was discussed
at
> the Reunion. Everyone seemed to think it was a good idea. Why not work
> together instead of fractioning off into splinter groups? GK has a lot to
> add. Can he work with AWDebate? Does he want to? Does he need to be the
man
> in charge? Does HE represent a majority? He does not address these issues
> with me.
>
> It has been brought up several times as to, "why don't Rick and JP
> participate in the community?" It is simply that no matter what we say we
> get flamed by some very vocal posters who claim to speak for the majority.
> You refuse to listen because you hold on with desperation to your petty
> conspiracy theories. You plot to bring down stock prices or stage a revolt
> so people won't register. When a feature is added it isn't the right one
for
> you. When we explain why we do something we are "greedy" or lying. It is
> very disheartening to work hard and then be sworn at, called an idiot or
be
> told that you are lying. Many of the topics betray the ignorance of a
small
> but very vocal group of zealots. It is quite frankly a waste of time to
> debate with flamers. If this is how you like to spend your time, that is
> your right. I do not think it reflects the majority. I know it does
nothing
> to improve your community or the software we write.
>
> The software, the community and the company are here to stay. Why not lose
> the attitude and make it better?
>
> E N Z O
>
>
>
> sw chris <chrisw10 at nckcn.com> wrote in message
> news:3b6a3158$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> all
> it's
> for
their
money,
> day
>
>
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Aug 10, 2001, 8:22pm
*sighs* maybe they'll listen when you say it..
The main point, I feel, is about you being flamed for your comments, I remember telling people time and time again that very reason
is why you don't "actively participate" they beg and beg for something, don't get it then feel it is a plot agains them, or
something, then when you do implement it they find something wrong with it, or another reason to go off. They lack the
understanding that they don't care what they have or get or want, they have a pre-conception that you and others are not listening
to them or trying to work with them, therefor no matter how hard you try they will twist it around to where it seems so. I believe
that your recent posting here has been an extreme novelty, I am honored to come in and see you posting replies to our NG articles
(even though you still have not sent a reply to my e-mail). The community, I think, truly now knows that you do listen to what we
say, however if you pay attention you will still be flamed, still be insulted, times change, but people don't. Rather then be
discouraged by these events and go back into hiding I believe that when a person flames you that you should RESPETFULLY & HONESTLY
respond to their accusations, perhaps then the people who were harrassing might understand that you really do listen to what they
have to say, and the only reason you aren't all for everything we do is because your un a business. There are things you can and
can not do if you own a business, and side with the people on every topic is one you can not. It is not possible, will give the
apperance that you are two faced and eventually people will come up with the idea that it is just a "publicity stunt to feed your
own greed" becuase that is what our society has gotten used to believing. From a business stand point there are defineteley things
which can and can not LOGICALY be done, I believe that you do a very good job at easing people as you inform them what these things
may be. I think you posting to the NGs is a great addition, and will help both you and the community understand eachothers vantage
points. Kudos, E N Z O, and good luck!
[View Quote]"e n z o" <enzo at activeworlds.com> wrote in message news:3b742d62$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
: It is you prerogative to see things any way you wish. There was nothing in
: that post slanted to gain your respect or pity. I am merely explaining in a
: personal reply to Goober King the reason why his insinuation was false. He
: had addressed it to "To Whom it may concern". He chose to post it not I.
: The fact he snipped the text I included tells me that perhaps he is being
: incendiary
:
: If you read my words you will see the history of AW. Those are some of the
: facts of its inception. We had practically no money and we worked really
: hard. The people who were employed here at the time were very talented and
: worked very hard. They were not able to make the utopian dreams of not
: getting a paycheck but having a great job and still be able to pay the bills
: work for them. Not one line of code was ever written for AW without having a
: check being attached to it.
:
: I assume that you have a job and if so are probably paid. Those are
: realities none of us escape. Some of us are able to go out on a limb for a
: time with the risk that it could crash and burn. No pity is needed, it
: worked out.
:
: Our success does not mean that we now have to do what every Goober King
: tells us, nor does it give us free reign to ignore him. Many of his ideas
: are valid and good. I have suggested that he work along with JBELL. The
: suggestion to create a world in which we can talk together was discussed at
: the Reunion. Everyone seemed to think it was a good idea. Why not work
: together instead of fractioning off into splinter groups? GK has a lot to
: add. Can he work with AWDebate? Does he want to? Does he need to be the man
: in charge? Does HE represent a majority? He does not address these issues
: with me.
:
: It has been brought up several times as to, "why don't Rick and JP
: participate in the community?" It is simply that no matter what we say we
: get flamed by some very vocal posters who claim to speak for the majority.
: You refuse to listen because you hold on with desperation to your petty
: conspiracy theories. You plot to bring down stock prices or stage a revolt
: so people won't register. When a feature is added it isn't the right one for
: you. When we explain why we do something we are "greedy" or lying. It is
: very disheartening to work hard and then be sworn at, called an idiot or be
: told that you are lying. Many of the topics betray the ignorance of a small
: but very vocal group of zealots. It is quite frankly a waste of time to
: debate with flamers. If this is how you like to spend your time, that is
: your right. I do not think it reflects the majority. I know it does nothing
: to improve your community or the software we write.
:
: The software, the community and the company are here to stay. Why not lose
: the attitude and make it better?
:
: E N Z O
:
:
:
: sw chris <chrisw10 at nckcn.com> wrote in message
: news:3b6a3158$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
: > I see it as an attempt at customer relations. Successful or not, that's
: all
: > it was. The corporations of America don't busy themselves with guilt
: > tricks. For one thing it's not professional, and for the second thing,
: it's
: > very childish.
: >
: > SW Chris
: >
: > "captain mad mike" <cmadmike at crosswinds.net> wrote in message
: > news:3b68306b at server1.Activeworlds.com...
: > > Bleh, we all know that this is just a guilt trick to make us feel sad
: for
: > > bashing enzo and the rest of the AW management because they ignore their
: > > home customers in favor of the corporate customers who have more money,
: > yeah
: > > so I guess since I'm only paying for E N Z O to sleep in his chair all
: day
: > > I'm no much better than an ant to them or something...
: > >
: > >
: > >
: >
: >
:
:
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Aug 11, 2001, 6:00pm
and... WHAT IF YOU LIED??? it really wouldn't surprise me if you did...
KAH
PS. it's your fault nobody (except those that play nice so they get free
worlds...) REALLY trusts you...
[View Quote]"e n z o" <enzo at activeworlds.com> wrote in message
news:3b742d62$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> It is you prerogative to see things any way you wish. There was nothing in
> that post slanted to gain your respect or pity. I am merely explaining in
a
> personal reply to Goober King the reason why his insinuation was false. He
> had addressed it to "To Whom it may concern". He chose to post it not I.
> The fact he snipped the text I included tells me that perhaps he is being
> incendiary
>
> If you read my words you will see the history of AW. Those are some of the
> facts of its inception. We had practically no money and we worked really
> hard. The people who were employed here at the time were very talented and
> worked very hard. They were not able to make the utopian dreams of not
> getting a paycheck but having a great job and still be able to pay the
bills
> work for them. Not one line of code was ever written for AW without having
a
> check being attached to it.
>
> I assume that you have a job and if so are probably paid. Those are
> realities none of us escape. Some of us are able to go out on a limb for a
> time with the risk that it could crash and burn. No pity is needed, it
> worked out.
>
> Our success does not mean that we now have to do what every Goober King
> tells us, nor does it give us free reign to ignore him. Many of his ideas
> are valid and good. I have suggested that he work along with JBELL. The
> suggestion to create a world in which we can talk together was discussed
at
> the Reunion. Everyone seemed to think it was a good idea. Why not work
> together instead of fractioning off into splinter groups? GK has a lot to
> add. Can he work with AWDebate? Does he want to? Does he need to be the
man
> in charge? Does HE represent a majority? He does not address these issues
> with me.
>
> It has been brought up several times as to, "why don't Rick and JP
> participate in the community?" It is simply that no matter what we say we
> get flamed by some very vocal posters who claim to speak for the majority.
> You refuse to listen because you hold on with desperation to your petty
> conspiracy theories. You plot to bring down stock prices or stage a revolt
> so people won't register. When a feature is added it isn't the right one
for
> you. When we explain why we do something we are "greedy" or lying. It is
> very disheartening to work hard and then be sworn at, called an idiot or
be
> told that you are lying. Many of the topics betray the ignorance of a
small
> but very vocal group of zealots. It is quite frankly a waste of time to
> debate with flamers. If this is how you like to spend your time, that is
> your right. I do not think it reflects the majority. I know it does
nothing
> to improve your community or the software we write.
>
> The software, the community and the company are here to stay. Why not lose
> the attitude and make it better?
>
> E N Z O
>
>
>
> sw chris <chrisw10 at nckcn.com> wrote in message
> news:3b6a3158$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> all
> it's
> for
their
money,
> day
>
>
|
Aug 11, 2001, 7:10pm
(like no one noticed) Alright, you are just an asshole. Yes, maybe he
is lying and just trying to get our pity, but what would it gain him?
We finally have ENZO communicating with the community here, and people
like you are trying to drive him off. Did you read the last part about
his message? What if everyone in the community just assumed you were
greedy? I don't deny that I thought that Enzo didn't care or only cared
about money, but thats just because everyone else did, and now that he
is here to un-tarnish his name, why not give him a chance?
Even if you have a personal grudge against him for whatever reason, if
nothing else you can be respectful.
*sigh*
-J
[View Quote]
> and... WHAT IF YOU LIED??? it really wouldn't surprise me if you did...
>
> KAH
> PS. it's your fault nobody (except those that play nice so they get free
> worlds...) REALLY trusts you...
>
[View Quote]> "e n z o" <enzo at activeworlds.com> wrote in message
> news:3b742d62$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
>
> a
>
> bills
>
> a
>
> at
>
> man
>
> for
>
> be
>
> small
>
> nothing
>
> their
>
> money,
>
>
>
|
Aug 11, 2001, 7:15pm
Good lord, kA! What crawled up your preverbial rear and died? This is
the exact reason why ENZO has been avoiding posting in these NGs in the
first place, because he believed he would be attacked no matter what he
said. Let's not start proving him right, ok? I'd like to think we're all
better than that...
[View Quote]
> and... WHAT IF YOU LIED??? it really wouldn't surprise me if you did...
>
> KAH
> PS. it's your fault nobody (except those that play nice so they get free
> worlds...) REALLY trusts you...
>
[View Quote]> "e n z o" <enzo at activeworlds.com> wrote in message
> news:3b742d62$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
>
> a
>
> bills
>
> a
>
> at
>
> man
>
> for
>
> be
>
> small
>
> nothing
>
> their
>
> money,
>
>
>
|
--
Goober King
Maybe he's giving everyone too much credit...
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu
Aug 11, 2001, 9:14pm
Rick is just going to have to learn to deal with the negativity and criticism if he expects to deal with the AW community. Life ain't all peaches and cream...
[View Quote]
> Good lord, kA! What crawled up your preverbial rear and died? This is
> the exact reason why ENZO has been avoiding posting in these NGs in the
> first place, because he believed he would be attacked no matter what he
> said. Let's not start proving him right, ok? I'd like to think we're all
> better than that...
>
[View Quote]
Aug 11, 2001, 9:44pm
....and (hopefully) after he starts interacting more, people will maybe
change opinions according to his actions rather than rumors...
-JV
[View Quote]
> Rick is just going to have to learn to deal with the negativity and criticism if he expects to deal with the AW community. Life ain't all peaches and cream...
>
[View Quote]> goober king wrote:
>
>
>
|
Aug 12, 2001, 12:01am
Yes, that's the idea. It's precisely BECAUSE of his (and AWC's in general) lack of community involvement and interaction that rumors start and spread. Anyone with half a brain should know this...
[View Quote]
> ...and (hopefully) after he starts interacting more, people will maybe
> change opinions according to his actions rather than rumors...
>
[View Quote]
Aug 12, 2001, 2:50am
Thanks. Thanks a lot! >:(
SW Chris
[View Quote]"kah" <kah at kahbot.com> wrote in message
news:3b758ed0$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> and... WHAT IF YOU LIED??? it really wouldn't surprise me if you did...
>
> KAH
> PS. it's your fault nobody (except those that play nice so they get free
> worlds...) REALLY trusts you...
>
> "e n z o" <enzo at activeworlds.com> wrote in message
> news:3b742d62$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
in
in
> a
He
being
the
and
> bills
having
> a
a
ideas
> at
to
> man
issues
we
majority.
revolt
> for
> be
> small
> nothing
lose
that's
thing,
sad
> their
> money,
all
>
>
|
Aug 12, 2001, 2:52am
Some people were tryin to be diplomatic and some idiot 12 year old comes in
and destroys the whole process... Congratulations Kah! You now have the
downfall of the entire community squarely on your shoulders, should E N Z O
not post here again. I hope you're happy with yourself.
Geez, show some thought before you open that hole in your mouth.
SW Chris
[View Quote]"sw chris" <chrisw10 at nckcn.com> wrote in message
news:3b760b01 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> Thanks. Thanks a lot! >:(
>
> SW Chris
|
Aug 12, 2001, 7:45am
So give him a chance alright already... at least he posted a few times and
he really shared info in his posts. I for one am pleased. I'd think you'd be
very happy that they are seeming to really pay attention to getting the
software rendering and versions all in same browser and looking at not
screwing up with backwards compatibility again. Once they get that done I'm
hoping that many of the features we'd like to see will come true! *fingers
crossed* But I agree 100% that what they are doing at the moment is the best
for the future. We really need to get past 2.x versions don't ya think?
I can't disagree that it would have been better had he posted a loooooong
time ago. Hopefully rumors are now getting cleared up and lets go forward
ok? Pwease? ;-)
HUGZ to you Eep!
Casay
[View Quote]"eep" <eep at tnlc.com> wrote in message news:3B75E1B9.D202130A at tnlc.com...
> Yes, that's the idea. It's precisely BECAUSE of his (and AWC's in general)
lack of community involvement and interaction that rumors start and spread.
Anyone with half a brain should know this...
>
> john viper wrote:
>
criticism if he expects to deal with the AW community. Life ain't all
peaches and cream...
the
he
all
did...
free
nothing in
explaining in
>
|
Aug 12, 2001, 8:08am
[View Quote]
> So give him a chance alright already... at least he posted a few times and
> he really shared info in his posts. I for one am pleased. I'd think you'd be
> very happy that they are seeming to really pay attention to getting the
> software rendering and versions all in same browser and looking at not
> screwing up with backwards compatibility again. Once they get that done I'm
> hoping that many of the features we'd like to see will come true! *fingers
> crossed* But I agree 100% that what they are doing at the moment is the best
> for the future. We really need to get past 2.x versions don't ya think?
Uh, so get a measly 3D card already and you won't HAVE to deal with the obsolete 2.x versions anymore! There's NO excuse for NOT having a 3D card these days...NONE!
> I can't disagree that it would have been better had he posted a loooooong
> time ago. Hopefully rumors are now getting cleared up and lets go forward
> ok? Pwease? ;-)
Uh, I don't see Rick (and other AWCers) posting more...until then the rumors will continue to develop...
[View Quote]> "eep" <eep at tnlc.com> wrote in message news:3B75E1B9.D202130A at tnlc.com...
> lack of community involvement and interaction that rumors start and spread.
> Anyone with half a brain should know this...
|
Aug 12, 2001, 8:27am
So you still do not understand that having a 3d card
and having DX7 are two pairs of shoes?
I will not start a discussion wether downgrading from NT4
to any other M$ operating system would be a solution or not,
because it is fact that it isn't a solution in professional
IT business.
[View Quote]eep wrote:
>
> Uh, so get a measly 3D card already and you won't HAVE to deal with the obsolete 2.x versions anymore! There's NO excuse for NOT having a 3D card these days...NONE!
>
> [...]
|
--
"_
|
/\
\ /
__/ /_
Aug 12, 2001, 8:41am
I'm allowed to have an opinion... and why should he care? if he doesn't like
it, he can just filter me, just like everyone else... and the people that
are diplomatic shouldn't be bothered by my opinion, because I'm not one of
them. and to post I don't need to open my mouth, and I haven't got any holes
in my mouth either, just so that's said...
KAH
PS. does my age really matter? I could've been 50, and an idiot, you know...
[View Quote]"sw chris" <chrisw10 at nckcn.com> wrote in message
news:3b760b9a at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> Some people were tryin to be diplomatic and some idiot 12 year old comes
in
> and destroys the whole process... Congratulations Kah! You now have the
> downfall of the entire community squarely on your shoulders, should E N Z
O
> not post here again. I hope you're happy with yourself.
>
> Geez, show some thought before you open that hole in your mouth.
>
> SW Chris
> "sw chris" <chrisw10 at nckcn.com> wrote in message
> news:3b760b01 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
>
>
>
|
Aug 12, 2001, 10:52am
<chuckle> That's what you get for trying to play with AW at work! Now go do REAL work and stop dorking around with AW.
[View Quote]
> So you still do not understand that having a 3d card
> and having DX7 are two pairs of shoes?
>
> I will not start a discussion wether downgrading from NT4
> to any other M$ operating system would be a solution or not,
> because it is fact that it isn't a solution in professional
> IT business.
>
[View Quote]
Aug 12, 2001, 12:38pm
I do work and AW stuff on the same PC if I don't work on *ix systems
Think ecological, it makes no sense to have 10 PCs running if you have
one that is reliable and has all developement stuff on it that you
need for work and free time.
[View Quote]eep wrote:
>
> <chuckle> That's what you get for trying to play with AW at work! Now go do REAL work and stop dorking around with AW.
>
|
--
"_
|
/\
\ /
__/ /_
Aug 12, 2001, 7:15pm
"prerogative" oOooOooooOOOOooo big words..
[View Quote]"e n z o" <enzo at activeworlds.com> wrote in message
news:3b742d62$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> It is you prerogative to see things any way you wish. There was nothing in
> that post slanted to gain your respect or pity. I am merely explaining in
a
> personal reply to Goober King the reason why his insinuation was false. He
> had addressed it to "To Whom it may concern". He chose to post it not I.
> The fact he snipped the text I included tells me that perhaps he is being
> incendiary
>
> If you read my words you will see the history of AW. Those are some of the
> facts of its inception. We had practically no money and we worked really
> hard. The people who were employed here at the time were very talented and
> worked very hard. They were not able to make the utopian dreams of not
> getting a paycheck but having a great job and still be able to pay the
bills
> work for them. Not one line of code was ever written for AW without having
a
> check being attached to it.
>
> I assume that you have a job and if so are probably paid. Those are
> realities none of us escape. Some of us are able to go out on a limb for a
> time with the risk that it could crash and burn. No pity is needed, it
> worked out.
>
> Our success does not mean that we now have to do what every Goober King
> tells us, nor does it give us free reign to ignore him. Many of his ideas
> are valid and good. I have suggested that he work along with JBELL. The
> suggestion to create a world in which we can talk together was discussed
at
> the Reunion. Everyone seemed to think it was a good idea. Why not work
> together instead of fractioning off into splinter groups? GK has a lot to
> add. Can he work with AWDebate? Does he want to? Does he need to be the
man
> in charge? Does HE represent a majority? He does not address these issues
> with me.
>
> It has been brought up several times as to, "why don't Rick and JP
> participate in the community?" It is simply that no matter what we say we
> get flamed by some very vocal posters who claim to speak for the majority.
> You refuse to listen because you hold on with desperation to your petty
> conspiracy theories. You plot to bring down stock prices or stage a revolt
> so people won't register. When a feature is added it isn't the right one
for
> you. When we explain why we do something we are "greedy" or lying. It is
> very disheartening to work hard and then be sworn at, called an idiot or
be
> told that you are lying. Many of the topics betray the ignorance of a
small
> but very vocal group of zealots. It is quite frankly a waste of time to
> debate with flamers. If this is how you like to spend your time, that is
> your right. I do not think it reflects the majority. I know it does
nothing
> to improve your community or the software we write.
>
> The software, the community and the company are here to stay. Why not lose
> the attitude and make it better?
>
> E N Z O
>
>
>
> sw chris <chrisw10 at nckcn.com> wrote in message
> news:3b6a3158$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> all
> it's
> for
their
money,
> day
>
>
|
|
