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[View Quote] [View Quote] I, as you may well know am 13. I can easily walk into a cideo store and rent R rated movies. They dont ask for ID or anything. Noe I've purchased Duke Nukem Zero Hour for the N64, which is rated M. "Animated violence" You see that crap on cartoons. And theres no human targets unless you cant point your Claw-12 in the right direction on the first few levels (or are ammo starved). Of course, as with all duke games, you've got teh women held hostage by the aliens. They may be naked, BUT YOU CANT SEE NOTHIN. A seventeen year old purchasing this game would either be mentally
retarded or reviewing the game for his job. This past Saturday, I went out and purchased the game "The Sims". Rated T (Teen) by those morons at ESRB. "Comic mischief" WTF is that supposed to mean???? "Mature sexual themes" OK, so they kiss, SO WHAT. If theyre gonna be that nitpicky, why not mention that theres censored nudity in this game? "Mild animated violence" Uhhh, no. Heard it mentioned in the manual but it's nearly impossible for your game to deteriorate that far. If ratings were to be strictly enforced by stores, that would mean proof of age for every game (except
E ratings for games, G ratings for movies), and either we'd hafta carry our friggin birth certificate around, or picture ID would hafta be issued to every kid when they reach the age of 12 or 13. Not very realistic for you Eep.The common theme here is rating enforcement. Game/world ratings are there for a purpose; it's like all the US gun laws that aren't enforced.

Game/world/movie ratings are there as guidelines, not as strict rules/laws.
Different parents have different ideas of what should be seen by their children at different ages in order to expose them to the world. LET US SEE IT ALL AT A YOUNG AGE BEFORE WE FIND OUT FOR OURSELVES!!!!!! We don't need our generation ruined by your stupidity. Enough of that.

Jun 12, 2000, 6:39pm

I like your idea Eep. Lets get password protection that adults can lock
in, in case they have their kids using AW.

Your thoughts about restricting what theme's are allowable in worlds, hmmm,
I can't agree with that. And your "suffering sexual frustration" comment is
obsurd - what are you trying to say here? What I presume you mean is
"having instinctual sexual desire" and to me there is nothing wrong that
aspect of human nature. Gor has sexual elements, but this is a very small
portion of it. The adults using these worlds decide when its the right time
and place - which is perfectly natural.

Regards, Justin


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Jun 13, 2000, 10:56am

Chris... seems I mistyped or I have been misread, but whichever - the idea
I was trying to put across has been misinterpreted...

[View Quote] I never suggested Gor is "needed", nor a good "therapy"... what I meant is
that it is an alternative, can be a change from the usual routine, and that
can make it an enjoyable or relaxing passtime. I wrote "For Many...." -
this was a generalization and a guess.

> As for "slaves" not being able to unslave themselves. In VR, this is
reminicent
> of being in the Hells Angels or MOB and not being able to leave.
> I assume this means that if I wanted to leave GOR... I need permission...
If I
> am not granted said permission what happens?
>

What I meant was... that to untie yourself from being a "slave" you must get
permission from your "Master". If your "Master" refuses tough luck - your
only remaining alternative is to quit that Gor world all together... i.e.
if you break the rules of the "game" you aren't allowed to play anymore -
you are expelled! So whilst you my not like your Master and wish to
seperate from him/her, you may not want to lose contact with your other
friends.

> I dont know, if ppl dont have "balance" they should seek counsel, not
> Submission.
>

I've never been a slave, but I can imagine leaving all my cares, woes,
responsibilites and such in someone elses hands and not having to think
about them would be very relaxing and rejuvinating. For others it might
give a sense of comfort and security.

There is nothing wrong with submission, nor is there anything with
domination. It is wrong when it is forced - that is a violation of human
rights. Just like "good and bad control" there is "good and bad
submission/domination".

> VR is proving itself in allot of areas, not just GOR as a place to be
taken
> advantage of.
>
> I have already known of two "friends" who have faked deaths.
>
> and i know this is NOT fake. But we need to be Aware.
>
> Z!
>

In VR anything can will and does happen, and as the borders between fantasy
and reality and very ill-defined and even harder to distinguish one must
always tread carefully and not take anything as fact. Just like watching a
good action film or sci fi movie where often many people and sometimes whole
civilizations die, remember its just fiction... sit back and chew the
popcorn... enjoy the ride!

Regards, Justin.

Jun 13, 2000, 10:58am

Here are some highlights from http://www.activeworlds.com/terms.html that may
clear up a few things:
--AWCI does not discriminate based on sex, age, gender, sexual orientation,
ethnicity, culture, religion or socio-economic status.
--Please refrain from using Active Worlds for the following activities:
1. Displaying material containing nudity, pornography, or sexual material of a
lewd, lecherous or obscene nature and intent or that violate local, state and
national laws.
2. Providing material that is grossly offensive to the online community,
including blatant expressions of bigotry, prejudice, racism, hatred or excessive
profanity.
--We reserve the right to suspend or remove any world, objects or properties
from the Active Worlds universe which is brought to our attention and which we
find, in our sole discretion, violates any of these content guidelines or
otherwise is in violation of the law.
--AWCI does not actively monitor the content of the worlds in Active Worlds, but
we will investigate complaints of violation of these guidelines.
--Please submit any such complaints to abuse at activeworlds.com.
--The opinions and views expressed in the Active Worlds Universe do not reflect
those of AWCI. The contents of the Worlds are not reviewed in any way before
they appear in the Active Worlds Universe.
--AWCI is not responsible for the content in any of the Worlds. Users are solely
responsible for their properties and everything contained in their own Worlds.
AWCI does not verify, endorse or otherwise vouch for the contents of any World.
Users may be held legally liable for the contents of their Worlds.

-Builderz

Jun 13, 2000, 8:06pm

Hmm I find it weird that american people are so scared of nudity,the most
natural thing in world,however, pornography is an other thing. At the same
time it seems to be totally ok to shoot or beat up eachother starting from
cartoons meant for small kids. Worst thing in the cartoons is ;nobody ever
gets hurt.That makes kid belive it is totally ok to drive over the other
with a truck/lorry,after beeing flat awhile he will rise up again.
I am not gorean,but I have nothing against Gor,sending them to another
universe is just moving the problem to another place (if there is a problem)
What would prevent underage people from going there ? I agree with Eep that
some kind of adultcheck would work much better.Porn sites have several types
of age verifying systems also.But as we all know there is no way that is
100% safe..maybe take away the internet totally from your kids,take away the
TV and lock them up in a closet (just remember to feed them once in a
while),would protect them from all "bad".No , I more belive in upbringing
and informing kids of what is right or wrong (ofcourse that varies between
ppl) ,but teaching kids a healthy common sence and building up a trust that
works both ways I think is best.

Ocassionally Naked Drac ;-D
Builderz kirjoitti viestissä <39463011 at server1.Activeworlds.com>...
>Here are some highlights from http://www.activeworlds.com/terms.html that
may
>clear up a few things:
>--AWCI does not discriminate based on sex, age, gender, sexual orientation,
>ethnicity, culture, religion or socio-economic status.
>--Please refrain from using Active Worlds for the following activities:
>1. Displaying material containing nudity, pornography, or sexual material
of a
>lewd, lecherous or obscene nature and intent or that violate local, state
and
>national laws.
>2. Providing material that is grossly offensive to the online community,
>including blatant expressions of bigotry, prejudice, racism, hatred or
excessive
>profanity.
>--We reserve the right to suspend or remove any world, objects or
properties
>from the Active Worlds universe which is brought to our attention and which
we
>find, in our sole discretion, violates any of these content guidelines or
>otherwise is in violation of the law.
>--AWCI does not actively monitor the content of the worlds in Active
Worlds, but
>we will investigate complaints of violation of these guidelines.
>--Please submit any such complaints to abuse at activeworlds.com.
>--The opinions and views expressed in the Active Worlds Universe do not
reflect
>those of AWCI. The contents of the Worlds are not reviewed in any way
before
>they appear in the Active Worlds Universe.
>--AWCI is not responsible for the content in any of the Worlds. Users are
solely
>responsible for their properties and everything contained in their own
Worlds.
>AWCI does not verify, endorse or otherwise vouch for the contents of any
World.
>Users may be held legally liable for the contents of their Worlds.
>
>-Builderz
>
>

Jun 14, 2000, 10:55am

It is not the nudity, it is the nature of "Taboo" content.
That young men or women not correctly understanding the role playing of such an
organization, and take it to heart is the problem.
No we cannot shelter children or anyone.
Slavery of any sort does not portray a good example of life. Especially when men
are enslaving women and commanding. Or vice versa.
Not saying we should all be politically correct, church going individuals.
Just that perhaps a better venue for GOR worlds would be in place.
Not saying exile. But if the Owner(s), group together they could make a GOR
universe.
Either way, I just dont visit them, its like music, or tv, if ya dont like it,
turn it off.
i dont know if americans are afraid of Nudity either.. they produce a helluva
lot of it!

Z!

[View Quote] > Hmm I find it weird that american people are so scared of nudity,the most
> natural thing in world,however, pornography is an other thing. At the same
> time it seems to be totally ok to shoot or beat up eachother starting from
> cartoons meant for small kids. Worst thing in the cartoons is ;nobody ever
> gets hurt.That makes kid belive it is totally ok to drive over the other
> with a truck/lorry,after beeing flat awhile he will rise up again.
> I am not gorean,but I have nothing against Gor,sending them to another
> universe is just moving the problem to another place (if there is a problem)
> What would prevent underage people from going there ? I agree with Eep that
> some kind of adultcheck would work much better.Porn sites have several types
> of age verifying systems also.But as we all know there is no way that is
> 100% safe..maybe take away the internet totally from your kids,take away the
> TV and lock them up in a closet (just remember to feed them once in a
> while),would protect them from all "bad".No , I more belive in upbringing
> and informing kids of what is right or wrong (ofcourse that varies between
> ppl) ,but teaching kids a healthy common sence and building up a trust that
> works both ways I think is best.
>
> Ocassionally Naked Drac ;-D
> Builderz kirjoitti viestissä <39463011 at server1.Activeworlds.com>...
> may
> of a
> and
> excessive
> properties
> we
> Worlds, but
> reflect
> before
> solely
> Worlds.
> World.

Jun 15, 2000, 10:54am

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Chris I am with you here .... I am not advocating removal of GOR worlds I just
orginally expressed a "shudder" that I get when I come on line and see them all. I
expressed an agreement with Eep in this regard. I think that GOR worlds are
allowable as the AW right to have a world as long as you do not overstep certain
perimeters .... GOR worlds seem to be keeping within these perimeters but they still
scare me, sorry :)

Wings


[View Quote] > It is not the nudity, it is the nature of "Taboo" content.
> That young men or women not correctly understanding the role playing of such an
> organization, and take it to heart is the problem.
> No we cannot shelter children or anyone.
> Slavery of any sort does not portray a good example of life. Especially when men
> are enslaving women and commanding. Or vice versa.
> Not saying we should all be politically correct, church going individuals.
> Just that perhaps a better venue for GOR worlds would be in place.
> Not saying exile. But if the Owner(s), group together they could make a GOR
> universe.
> Either way, I just dont visit them, its like music, or tv, if ya dont like it,
> turn it off.
> i dont know if americans are afraid of Nudity either.. they produce a helluva
> lot of it!
>
> Z!
>
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Jun 19, 2000, 9:46am

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Ya know this is the first time i've even tried to reply to something i've seen from
the newsgroups.. and i'm not looking for an opinion back.. and although some of the
points that have been made are good ones..Telling a select majority to create their
own universe to me seems kind of harsh and foolish.. I'm not into Gor nor have i
ever been.. but i also beleive in the freedom of speech.. and the right to conduct
yourself in any way you see fit.. It's simple really.. Hey if you don't like Gor..
well then.. don't go into a Gor World.. it's not like anyone is dragging you in
there.. and making you take a look at what goes on.. and Yes although i do agree
with maybe the treatment of controlling woman and what ever else may go on. Did
anyone ever stop to think that if the woman didn't get a thrill from it and actually
enjoy it.. then maybe they wouldn't be in there either.. I mean let's face it
people.. some woman actually like it.. and so they enter their world and feel at
home.. As Far as children go.. Well, i'm a mother of two .. and my oldest being 11
soon.. all i can say is No i don't want you to see that.. not yet when she is still
trying to be a child.. Sooo.. i make sure that if she ever does come online or enter
into AW that i am right by her side.. Gee how simple is that.. to actually be with
your child and watch over them while they are on the internet.. instead of blaming
someone else becuase i didn't agree with their values or pleasures.. People pay for
worlds that they own.. they have the right to have what ever theme and content they
want too.. it's not real cheap.. and like i said.. no one is dragging anyone in
there.. Oh well.. that's about it.. =)
Shelly {MrsT}

[View Quote] > It is not the nudity, it is the nature of "Taboo" content.
> That young men or women not correctly understanding the role playing of such an
> organization, and take it to heart is the problem.
> No we cannot shelter children or anyone.
> Slavery of any sort does not portray a good example of life. Especially when men
> are enslaving women and commanding. Or vice versa.
> Not saying we should all be politically correct, church going individuals.
> Just that perhaps a better venue for GOR worlds would be in place.
> Not saying exile. But if the Owner(s), group together they could make a GOR
> universe.
> Either way, I just dont visit them, its like music, or tv, if ya dont like it,
> turn it off.
> i dont know if americans are afraid of Nudity either.. they produce a helluva
> lot of it!
>
> Z!
>
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Jun 23, 2000, 1:01am

well Although I have said and do Agree, that if you dont like it dont go,
AW does have content guidelines, and you may not do what ever you wish.

I just dont go there.
In sayin about their own universe, wasnt to get them out of this one, but was just to
say, if they all got one, then no one could say boo, about what they do.
They could chain and flogg women wall to wall.
Me i like my ... wait a second i wont go there.

Z!


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>
> Ya know this is the first time i've even tried to reply to something i've seen from
> the newsgroups.. and i'm not looking for an opinion back.. and although some of the
> points that have been made are good ones..Telling a select majority to create their
> own universe to me seems kind of harsh and foolish.. I'm not into Gor nor have i
> ever been.. but i also beleive in the freedom of speech.. and the right to conduct
> yourself in any way you see fit.. It's simple really.. Hey if you don't like Gor..
> well then.. don't go into a Gor World.. it's not like anyone is dragging you in
> there.. and making you take a look at what goes on.. and Yes although i do agree
> with maybe the treatment of controlling woman and what ever else may go on. Did
> anyone ever stop to think that if the woman didn't get a thrill from it and actually
> enjoy it.. then maybe they wouldn't be in there either.. I mean let's face it
> people.. some woman actually like it.. and so they enter their world and feel at
> home.. As Far as children go.. Well, i'm a mother of two .. and my oldest being 11
> soon.. all i can say is No i don't want you to see that.. not yet when she is still
> trying to be a child.. Sooo.. i make sure that if she ever does come online or enter
> into AW that i am right by her side.. Gee how simple is that.. to actually be with
> your child and watch over them while they are on the internet.. instead of blaming
> someone else becuase i didn't agree with their values or pleasures.. People pay for
> worlds that they own.. they have the right to have what ever theme and content they
> want too.. it's not real cheap.. and like i said.. no one is dragging anyone in
> there.. Oh well.. that's about it.. =)
> Shelly {MrsT}
>
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Jun 24, 2000, 6:57pm

As I have understood it ,there are both male and female slaves.
chris Waddell kirjoitti viestissä <3952d2ed$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com>...
>well Although I have said and do Agree, that if you dont like it dont go,
>AW does have content guidelines, and you may not do what ever you wish.
>
>I just dont go there.
>In sayin about their own universe, wasnt to get them out of this one, but
was just to
>say, if they all got one, then no one could say boo, about what they do.
>They could chain and flogg women wall to wall.
>Me i like my ... wait a second i wont go there.
>
>Z!
>
>
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