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banning/ejections // WishlistzeroNov 1, 2000, 2:36pm
I have been told this has been brought up bfore, but why not again.
I was told in the days of old of AW, a world owner could eject or ban by account number. Then this feature was removed. Now you can only eject based in IP. Which is a useless feature seeing as most dial-up users simply needs to reboot, be assigned a new IP and then voila, they are back in to harass again. Seeing as most of the "Law" of Aw is virtual powerless to Ban relentlessly re occurring harrasser and mischievous deviants, it should be up to the world owners who pay money, to have a feature they need to keep undesirable people out of their worlds. Using the acct #, they could still eject users for 5 -10 or an indefinite amount of time. Simply by adding then removing the account number from the world ejection box. In the last months, I and some other world owners have had some issues from certain users that will not cease to go away. having this feature "re" implemented would help keep our worlds safer. Anyone else agree? Anyone know why it was removed in the first place. The floor is open. Eeps need not apply tony56Nov 1, 2000, 8:47pm
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------=_NextPart_000_0051_01C04420.15259280 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I agree with you on this, but there are a few cons to this (which is why = CoF/AW removed it): 1) If you ban one tourist by the number "0", you end up blocking all the = tourists. 2) There are a few rare people with multiple citizen accounts. They can = just log in to the second account (and if needed, get a new IP) and = invade the world again. --=20 - Tony56 (aka Chandler56) "Freedom: That's What The Government Wants You To Believe!" ____________________________________________________________ [View Quote] I was told in the days of old of AW, a world owner could eject or ban = by account number. Then this feature was removed. Now you can only eject based in IP. Which is a useless feature seeing = as most dial-up users simply needs to reboot, be assigned a new IP and = then voila, they are back in to harass again. Seeing as most of the "Law" of Aw is virtual powerless to Ban relentlessly re occurring harrasser and mischievous deviants, it = should be up to the world owners who pay money, to have a feature they need = to keep undesirable people out of their worlds. Using the acct #, they could still eject users for 5 -10 or an indefinite amount of time. Simply by adding then removing the account number from the world ejection box. In the last months, I and some other world owners have had some issues from certain users that will not cease to go away. having this feature "re" implemented would help keep our worlds safer. Anyone else agree? Anyone know why it was removed in the first place. The floor is open. Eeps need not apply ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01C04420.15259280 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1" = http-equiv=3DContent-Type> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.00.2614.3500" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" size=3D1>I agree with you on this, but = there are a=20 few cons to this (which is why CoF/AW removed it):</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" size=3D1>1) If you ban one tourist by = the number=20 "0", you end up blocking all the tourists.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" size=3D1>2) There are a few rare = people with=20 multiple citizen accounts. They can just log in to the second account = (and if=20 needed, get a new IP) and invade the world again.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><BR>-- <BR>- Tony56 (aka Chandler56)<BR>"Freedom: That's What The=20 Government Wants You To=20 Believe!"<BR>____________________________________________________________= </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=20 style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: = 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV>zero <<A = href=3D"mailto:dmonix at home.com">dmonix at home.com</A>> wrote=20 in message <A=20 = href=3D"news:3A0041F2.8038470C at home.com">news:3A0041F2.8038470C at home.com<= /A>...</DIV>I=20 have been told this has been brought up bfore, but why not = again.<BR><BR>I was=20 told in the days of old of AW, a world owner could eject or ban = by<BR>account=20 number. Then this feature was removed.<BR>Now you can only eject based = in IP.=20 Which is a useless feature seeing as<BR>most dial-up users simply = needs to=20 reboot, be assigned a new IP and then<BR>voila, they are back in to = harass=20 again.<BR>Seeing as most of the "Law" of Aw is virtual powerless to=20 Ban<BR>relentlessly re occurring harrasser and mischievous deviants, = it=20 should<BR>be up to the world owners who pay money, to have a feature = they need=20 to<BR>keep undesirable people out of their worlds.<BR>Using the acct = #, they=20 could still eject users for 5 -10 or an<BR>indefinite amount of=20 time.<BR>Simply by adding then removing the account number from = the=20 world<BR>ejection box.<BR>In the last months, I and some other world = owners=20 have had some issues<BR>from certain users that will not cease to go=20 away.<BR>having this feature "re" implemented would help keep our = worlds=20 safer.<BR><BR>Anyone else agree? Anyone know why it was removed in the = first=20 place.<BR>The floor is open.<BR>Eeps need not=20 apply<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01C04420.15259280-- wyzard360Nov 1, 2000, 11:24pm
Which is why there should be an option of whether you ban by cit number or
ip. [View Quote] 1) If you ban one tourist by the number "0", you end up blocking all the tourists. 2) There are a few rare people with multiple citizen accounts. They can just log in to the second account (and if needed, get a new IP) and invade the world again. tony56Nov 1, 2000, 11:31pm
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------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C04437.02245740 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable True, but now the question is: How the hell do we convince a company = that never listens to customers that it should reimplement a feature = that was in the olden days of AW? --=20 - Tony56 (aka Chandler56) "Freedom: That's What The Government Wants You To Believe!" ____________________________________________________________ [View Quote] [View Quote] 1) If you ban one tourist by the number "0", you end up blocking all = the tourists. 2) There are a few rare people with multiple citizen accounts. They = can just log in to the second account (and if needed, get a new IP) and invade = the world again. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C04437.02245740 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1" = http-equiv=3DContent-Type> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.00.2614.3500" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" size=3D1>True, but now the question = is: How the=20 hell do we convince a company that never listens to customers that it = should=20 reimplement a feature that was in the olden days of AW?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><BR>-- <BR>- Tony56 (aka Chandler56)<BR>"Freedom: That's What The=20 Government Wants You To=20 Believe!"<BR>____________________________________________________________= </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=20 style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: = 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV>wyzard360 <<A=20 href=3D"mailto:wyzard360 at hotmail.com">wyzard360 at hotmail.com</A>> = wrote in=20 message <A=20 = href=3D"news:3a00c23a$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com">news:3a00c23a$1 at server1= ..Activeworlds.com</A>...</DIV>Which=20 is why there should be an option of whether you ban by cit number=20 or<BR>ip.<BR><BR>"tony56" <<A=20 href=3D"mailto:chandler56 at mail.com">chandler56 at mail.com</A>> wrote = in=20 message<BR><A=20 = href=3D"news:3a009d6e at server1.Activeworlds.com">news:3a009d6e at server1.Act= iveworlds.com</A>...<BR>I=20 agree with you on this, but there are a few cons to this (which is=20 why<BR>CoF/AW removed it):<BR><BR>1) If you ban one tourist by the = number "0",=20 you end up blocking all the<BR>tourists.<BR>2) There are a few rare = people=20 with multiple citizen accounts. They can just<BR>log in to the second = account=20 (and if needed, get a new IP) and invade the<BR>world=20 again.<BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C04437.02245740-- agent1Nov 1, 2000, 11:44pm
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------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C04438.93CE44C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit *gasp* Maybe you could ask! WHAT AN IDEA! :O It's in the wishlist with reasons for its inclusion in the next version (after 3.1). There are many features being requested, and this one is a good one like lots of the others. -Agent1 [View Quote] -- - Tony56 (aka Chandler56) "Freedom: That's What The Government Wants You To Believe!" ____________________________________________________________ [View Quote] [View Quote] 1) If you ban one tourist by the number "0", you end up blocking all the tourists. 2) There are a few rare people with multiple citizen accounts. They can just log in to the second account (and if needed, get a new IP) and invade the world again. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C04438.93CE44C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4207.2601" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>*gasp* Maybe you could ask! = WHAT AN=20 IDEA! :O</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It's in the wishlist with reasons for = its inclusion=20 in the next version (after 3.1). There are many features being = requested, and=20 this one is a good one like lots of the others.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>-Agent1</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV>"tony56" <<A=20 href=3D"mailto:chandler56 at mail.com">chandler56 at mail.com</A>> wrote = in message=20 <A=20 = href=3D"news:3a00c3dd at server1.Activeworlds.com">news:3a00c3dd at server1.Act= iveworlds.com</A>...</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" size=3D1>True, but now the question = is: How the=20 hell do we convince a company that never listens to customers that it = should=20 reimplement a feature that was in the olden days of AW?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><BR>-- <BR>- Tony56 (aka Chandler56)<BR>"Freedom: That's What The = Government Wants You To=20 = Believe!"<BR>____________________________________________________________= </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV>wyzard360 <<A=20 href=3D"mailto:wyzard360 at hotmail.com">wyzard360 at hotmail.com</A>> = wrote in=20 message <A=20 = href=3D"news:3a00c23a$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com">news:3a00c23a$1 at server1= ..Activeworlds.com</A>...</DIV>Which=20 is why there should be an option of whether you ban by cit number=20 or<BR>ip.<BR><BR>"tony56" <<A=20 href=3D"mailto:chandler56 at mail.com">chandler56 at mail.com</A>> = wrote in=20 message<BR><A=20 = href=3D"news:3a009d6e at server1.Activeworlds.com">news:3a009d6e at server1.Act= iveworlds.com</A>...<BR>I=20 agree with you on this, but there are a few cons to this (which is=20 why<BR>CoF/AW removed it):<BR><BR>1) If you ban one tourist by the = number=20 "0", you end up blocking all the<BR>tourists.<BR>2) There are a few = rare=20 people with multiple citizen accounts. They can just<BR>log in to = the second=20 account (and if needed, get a new IP) and invade the<BR>world=20 again.<BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C04438.93CE44C0-- zeroNov 2, 2000, 12:24am
so because it is on here, Doesn't mean that it will make it... but it is
a realistic one, so it might? As for people with dual accts, or coming in again with their secondary...well ban them too. As for tourists, they are no worries, pesky ones are all over, just eject them. design features like this hopefully can be implemented again, or maybe even part of the AWServer set up exe. for say a custom install. I know I have had some issues of late that ppl in AW and others have not been able to control and having a ban acct feature would have solved the problem in minutes. Hopefully other world owners can put in some words to support this as well. :) ananasNov 2, 2000, 2:28am
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--------------7D3EA698ADE1701036FB06B7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit if not as an eject option, maybe the world rights box could be modified by adding a "not" checkbox - so you could say enter : ID1, ID2, ID3, ID4 => implies : everyone else may not enter or optional enter : NOT ID1, ID2, ID3, ID4 => implies : everyone else may enter Less changes in the interface but same effect - and you could be more specific in your choice what you want to allow or to deny (everyone may build except for ... - everyone speak except ...) this will only fail if someone re-enters as a tourist or with a different Citizen-ID but I still think it would be a good thing to have that option Volker (Ananas) --------------7D3EA698ADE1701036FB06B7 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vha.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Visitenkarte für Volker Hatzenberger Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vha.vcf" begin:vcard n:Hatzenberger;Volker x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:oct31.de adr:;;Bornheimer Strasse 15;Bonn;;53111;Germany version:2.1 email;internet:vha at oct31.de end:vcard --------------7D3EA698ADE1701036FB06B7-- anduin lotharNov 2, 2000, 3:11am
Actually people, you can just as easily use a Preston bot hosted 24/7 and
add them to the automatic ejection setting, both citnumbers and citizen/tourist names are accepted, so it's not that much of a hassle anyway. Anduin [View Quote] zeroNov 2, 2000, 4:37am
Thats great and all Anduin but i would like a service from the company I pay to
have worlds from. Its not that hard of a feature to implement. [View Quote] > Actually people, you can just as easily use a Preston bot hosted 24/7 and > add them to the automatic ejection setting, both citnumbers and > citizen/tourist names are accepted, so it's not that much of a hassle > anyway. > > Anduin > > wingNov 2, 2000, 9:52am
Pain in the ass dude, even if you have a relatively small world, it'd take a
complex grid of bots laid out over the entire world to cover the whole area with their chat range, which is the radius they eject in. Remember, we only have THREE bots per account, and setting up these things and keeping them that way is a major pain. I figure you'd need 1 bot at GZ, one bot at each of the 20,20 coords, and one at each 50,50 coord to cover a world 50nsew. Thats THREE FULL ACCOUNTS of bots. Nine bots... To eject one person, you'd have to go around and add the citnum to each and every one of them [View Quote] > Actually people, you can just as easily use a Preston bot hosted 24/7 and > add them to the automatic ejection setting, both citnumbers and > citizen/tourist names are accepted, so it's not that much of a hassle > anyway. > > Anduin > [View Quote] anduin lotharNov 3, 2000, 2:14am
Well with a small world I would see why you would have local teleports
turned on then ;o) [View Quote] wingNov 3, 2000, 9:56am
Heres a challenge for you. Build somthing around 30-40 odd coords off of the 0
axes. Then, give someone the coords and tell them to go there with local teleports turned off. Most people can't/won't do it [View Quote] > Well with a small world I would see why you would have local teleports > turned on then ;o) > [View Quote] tony56Nov 3, 2000, 9:18pm
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------=_NextPart_000_0059_01C045B6.B8332D60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Not a lot of people can afford hosting anyway, so this is an option.. = still think CoF needs to do something.. --=20 - Tony56 (aka Chandler56) "Freedom: That's What The Government Wants You To Believe!" ____________________________________________________________ [View Quote] Anduin [View Quote] ------=_NextPart_000_0059_01C045B6.B8332D60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1" = http-equiv=3DContent-Type> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.00.2614.3500" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" size=3D1>Not a lot of people can = afford hosting=20 anyway, so this is an option.. still think CoF needs to do=20 something..</FONT></DIV> <DIV><BR>-- <BR>- Tony56 (aka Chandler56)<BR>"Freedom: That's What The=20 Government Wants You To=20 Believe!"<BR>____________________________________________________________= </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=20 style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: = 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV>anduin lothar <<A=20 href=3D"mailto:uswf at centercom.com.au">uswf at centercom.com.au</A>> = wrote in=20 message <A=20 = href=3D"news:3a032f50 at server1.Activeworlds.com">news:3a032f50 at server1.Act= iveworlds.com</A>...</DIV>I=20 was talking about a small world.<BR><BR>Anduin<BR><BR><BR>"wing" = <<A=20 href=3D"mailto:bathgate at prodigy.net">bathgate at prodigy.net</A>> = wrote in=20 message<BR><A=20 = href=3D"news:3A02A143.925F684 at prodigy.net">news:3A02A143.925F684 at prodigy.= net</A>...<BR>>=20 Heres a challenge for you. Build somthing around 30-40 odd coords off=20 of<BR>the 0<BR>> axes. Then, give someone the coords and tell them = to go=20 there with local<BR>> teleports turned off. Most people can't/won't = do=20 it<BR><BR><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_0059_01C045B6.B8332D60-- jeyNov 12, 2000, 4:35pm
Whhooppss sent that by mistake . . . . anyways . . . like I was saying:
It is not pointless to ban people using IP numbers. Say you have someone that is being very disruptive, so you ban them using their citizen number. They can then get into your world using someone else's privilege password. Now, you can't ban the citizen number (well you can, but it would be sort of mean) that the disruptive person is using the privileges from, therefore; that would be a time to ban using an IP. There are times to use it and times not to. I believe and probably a lot other do too, that IP banning and Citizen Number Banning should be an option that the ejector will choose, instead of just having it ban using an IP number or using a Citizen Number. [View Quote] john viperNov 12, 2000, 6:03pm
Yes, definitely have an option -- when you eject to eject by IP or by Citno
-- _________________________ John Viper http://www.jtsoft.net "Java is a machine. You put Java code in one end, and money comes out the other." - Anonymous [View Quote] wyzard360Nov 12, 2000, 7:33pm
Yeah but they can still get back in if you eject them with their ip just by
reconnecting to the net. [View Quote] ananasNov 12, 2000, 8:00pm
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--------------E861FA86F2955932921AC59E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Giving your priviledge password to someone who turns out to be a vandal, I think if someone does that it is his own fault if he is ejected from worlds for a while. The priv. password can do as much damage as having the real password of a user. I know that many give it to lots of ppl. and then have trouble with that - so change your priv password frequently, give it only to ppl. you trust or set it only while you can watch the one who will use it. So it is not unfair to eject a vandal using a priv. pass of someone else, it helps "someone else" learn to take care for his own rights. Ananas --------------E861FA86F2955932921AC59E Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vha.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Visitenkarte für Volker Hatzenberger Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vha.vcf" begin:vcard n:Hatzenberger;Volker x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:oct31.de adr:;;Bornheimer Strasse 15;Bonn;;53111;Germany version:2.1 email;internet:vha at oct31.de end:vcard --------------E861FA86F2955932921AC59E-- grimbleNov 15, 2000, 3:58pm
Just a thought. Don't know much about dynamic IP allocation (except that it
seems that in the UK no-one - cable, ADSL, etc. - will give you a fixed IP address without a leased line - in my area anyway) but .... If you ban a dynamic IP address, theoretically aren't you banning someone later who hasn't one anything wrong (i.e. the NEXT person allocated that IP on dialup) ???? Grims [View Quote] zeroNov 16, 2000, 11:40pm
it is your own fault if you give out passwords and even privs to the most
trusted of friends. It states clearly I believe in the AW instal (which no one reads) and in the acct info , not to give out passwords and privs, which is genrally safe practice anywhere. In short, if someon uses your powers for bad, You are responsible. Bottom line. [View Quote] > Whhooppss sent that by mistake . . . . anyways . . . like I was saying: > > It is not pointless to ban people using IP numbers. > Say you have someone that is being very disruptive, so you ban them > using their citizen number. They can then get into your world using someone > else's privilege password. Now, you can't ban the citizen number (well you > can, but it would be sort of mean) that the disruptive person is using the > privileges from, therefore; that would be a time to ban using an IP. > > There are times to use it and times not to. I believe and probably a lot > other do too, that IP banning and Citizen Number Banning should be an option > that the ejector will choose, instead of just having it ban using an IP > number or using a Citizen Number. > [View Quote] -- Chris Waddell dmonix at home.com www.dmonix.net grimbleNov 17, 2000, 7:57am
I totally agree with zero.
By giving your password/privileges to other people, you are effectively letting them operate in AW as you. If you DO give out your password, then its your choice. If you own the world, then give them the privileges outright. If you don't, then morally you shouldn't do it because YOU have been given the rights by the world owner - and not your "friend" - because he/she trusted YOU. The only valid reason for using the privilege passwords that I can see is if YOU want to host bots. How many people out there share e-mail and ISP passwords? Grims. [View Quote] |