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Aug 20, 2003, 10:35am

anyone know if there is a basic age checking bot
for use in aw ?

dont need anything flash just something that keeps track of cit and tourists
ages and if they arnt in the DB it asks
them for there age.

Aug 20, 2003, 3:19pm

Not appropriate anymore... instead you should have a webpage that loads up
in the 3D window as soon as they enter the world where they can read a full
disclaimer and agree or dissagree to it (in which case they leave the
world).

And its legally viable.

- Mark

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Aug 20, 2003, 3:48pm

how would that descriminate between regulars and new visitors ?

regulars would get annouyed at that everytime they entered a world i would
think.

its a good idea though

Aug 20, 2003, 4:01pm

The same database you kept to log who's age is what. :D

-Joe

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Aug 20, 2003, 4:39pm

i cant program and know nothing about making databases
thats why i am trying to find a pre made bot to do it.



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Aug 20, 2003, 5:00pm

if there is one and its back from before 3.3 then it won't work probably,
because one bot (Chatbot I think) could seed an object from a specifyed date
and now it cannot and there aren't any updates for it that make it work
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Aug 20, 2003, 5:08pm

Do you know someone who knows ASP? Just have them enter a username /
password or just a password to enter it. That way you have extra checks
pretty much covering everything.

- Mark

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Aug 20, 2003, 5:13pm

Appart from biometrical EMF scans, I have yet to see anything secure that
dosent require *something* from regular users.. its just a matter of you
will have to put up with it...

When I log onto a bot network, I have my cit num protected by my cit pw, but
then I also have 3 rediculously sized pw's I have to enter in whispers to
access the most critical parts.

- Mark

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Aug 20, 2003, 5:37pm

Uh, there's citnums.... checking the past deviations of IPs, etc. I'm sure
they don't need ultra-paranoid-super-encryption-for-Fortran or anything,
they just need a bot to check ages. Also, ASP is a bad idea, as it only
runs on Windows. Try PHP, which runs on a lot of OSs. :D

-Joe

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Aug 20, 2003, 5:51pm

True... but more people know ASP or sufficent VB to do ASP directly...

- Mark

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Aug 20, 2003, 6:16pm

Umm....how does the bot know when to eject if the person types a wrong age into the
webpage that opened?

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Aug 20, 2003, 6:22pm

[View Quote] Just have another bot get logged in that whispers (eject:dinglebarry)
via the webpage script. If it's ASP I'm sure you can probably even make
a bot using the OCX/DLL/ETC.

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Aug 20, 2003, 6:24pm

use teleport CGI.

- Mark

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Aug 20, 2003, 6:47pm

[View Quote] It's not that problem, it's the "how does the bot know what someone
typed in the webpage" that's the problem. You'd also need a fast
timeout just in case someone just hits the "X" at the top. Plus, if you
wanted it to be a true protection you better get some sort of adult key
that checks CC #'s.

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Aug 20, 2003, 7:21pm

No one would give out their CC# that easily.

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Aug 20, 2003, 7:42pm

You'd be surprised.

-Joe

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Aug 20, 2003, 8:47pm

The problem is simply, no bot can know, it has to trust what the
visitor says.

With the latests porn explosion on internet and the USA sponsored anti
porn laws, this mafia has resorted to asking for a credit card number
(sounds familiar?). Credit cards are normally issued to adults... so
that is their excuse for asking for that (and charging you for it
LOL).

There is no reliable way to assert the age of a visitor.

Alex

[View Quote] >anyone know if there is a basic age checking bot
>for use in aw ?
>
>dont need anything flash just something that keeps track of cit and tourists
>ages and if they arnt in the DB it asks
>them for there age.
>

Aug 20, 2003, 8:57pm

[View Quote] Telomere test on the chromosomes of a subject.

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Aug 21, 2003, 9:12am

"strike rapier" <strike at Rapiercom.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in news:3f43d13a$1
at server1.Activeworlds.com:

> True... but more people know ASP or sufficent VB to do ASP directly...

I doubt it. PHP is more popular than ASP. Anyway, ASP comes from Microsoft.
Do I need to say any more?

KAH

Aug 21, 2003, 2:58pm

Microsoft really isn't as bad as its made out to be, sure, there are a few
young kids saying: "OH ME GAWD! MICROSOFT IS TAKEING OVEN TEH WORLD!!! RUN 4
UR LIVEZ!" or "Microsoft is a BIG EVIL CORPORATION THAT BURNS BABIES!" or
perhaps "ALL MiEKROZOFT programs ARE BAD! at ! THEY CRASH ALL THE TIME AND MAKE
MY COMPUTER EXPLODE! at !", having not even used the product they're talking
about ... The rest of us, understand that Microsoft is here to stay, their
products aren't really half bad (bar anything below windows 2000), and that
we're just going to have to live with them and make the best of it.

-Joe

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Aug 21, 2003, 4:32pm

[View Quote] Maybe you missed the latest virus/trojan/whatever you want to call them
scare.

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Aug 21, 2003, 5:28pm

I doub't that... but which idiots go clicking pif files..

- Mark

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Aug 21, 2003, 8:27pm

[View Quote] Half the known world that uses windows.

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Aug 22, 2003, 10:07am

"joeman" <john at fakeplastic.com> wrote in
news:3f44fa40$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com:

> Microsoft really isn't as bad as its made out to be, sure, there are a
> few young kids saying: "OH ME GAWD! MICROSOFT IS TAKEING OVEN TEH
> WORLD!!! RUN 4 UR LIVEZ!" or "Microsoft is a BIG EVIL CORPORATION THAT
> BURNS BABIES!" or perhaps "ALL MiEKROZOFT programs ARE BAD! at ! THEY
> CRASH ALL THE TIME AND MAKE MY COMPUTER EXPLODE! at !", having not even
> used the product they're talking about ... The rest of us, understand
> that Microsoft is here to stay, their products aren't really half bad
> (bar anything below windows 2000), and that we're just going to have
> to live with them and make the best of it.

We don't have to live with it. Really, we don't. Stop trying to be mature,
it doesn't work.

Their products mightn't have been half bad if they grasped concepts like
program design, good coding, bug fixes, security and the list goes on...
When you look at the way a lot of exploits of MS products work, their total
lack of thinking becomes apparent. I would've thought *you* could see that.
Guess not.

KAH

Aug 22, 2003, 5:59pm

KAH, when you become of age when you join the workforce, you'll see what I
mean. Where I work (a very popular university), the only non-windows
machines on campus, are the Sun mail servers, various sun boxes in labs, a
few Linux machines in labs, and the AIX mainframes. The rest, is windows as
far as the eye can see. Walk into many major businesses, and you'll find
that they're using all windows. Just because you're a Linux bible-thumper,
doesn't mean the rest of the world runs on your agenda.

Here's one usage statistics site:
http://www.epistemelinks.com/Info/OpSys.aspx
Lets look at the most current, 2003...
Windows got a whopping 84.56% of the hits....
Linux and its variants got a mere 11.45%...

Wow... Ok, on to the next site...

Here's another one: http://lumumba.luc.ac.be/kris/stats/usage_200301.html
Windows got 2,732 hits
Linux got 548 hits.

....

And another: http://geneura.ugr.es/webalizer/usage_200203.html
Windows: 8655 hits
Linux: 601 hits

I am well aware that Linux and its variants, are used on many servers world
wide; I'm even running on right behind me performing various caching and
logging functions. I am also aware that Novell is used many places, along
with Sun OS, Cisco IOS, and other embedded OS's in switches, telecom
equipment, etc. But, the greatest number of workstations are windows, which
in terns require windows servers to drive them. The Linux replacements for
such services (such as SMB), are horrible.

Now, you're probably still in the "omg I installed Linux, I r sooo l33t, it
can d0 everthing!!!! I heart Linux j00!" phase... But, once you get a job in
the IT field, or hell, even McDonalds... You'll begin to realize that Linux
isn't all that great for enterprise applications. I hope I'm not being
"nasty", as .duo. would put it, but its the raw uncut truth. I'm not trying
to be mature about anything.

Microsoft can grasp your "decent coding practices". Most of their code is
flawless. Their OSs have a few problems, which really aren't that big of
problems if you know what you're doing. Such as, threads being totally
messed up and memory handling. If their products were truly pure and utter
crap, as you Linux-thumpers like to say, then why do soooooooo many people
use them? As for bugfixes, and security, hotfixes and patches come out
every other day practically to fix most of the problems that are found.

Have you ever looked at a Linux exploit, how about an AIX one... what about
a Sun OS one? Every operating system is going to have exploits targeted at
it. Sure, there were programming mistakes made, but there were for _every_
operating system out there, well, except JoeOS. :P I have to understand
how most of these exploits work in order to find vulnerable/infected
machines at my job. The only reason there's so many exploits for windows,
is because its the biggest OS, the most "hackers" are going after exploiting
its inner-workings. If Linux were to suddenly be the most popular OS for
desktop machines, "hackers" would go after it! But, if you've also done
your research, which I knowwwwwww such an informed person such as yourself
has done, you'll not that there are just as many, if not more exploits for
*nix then windows created every day!

I don't know why I wasted three and a half minutes, but, I hope a little
"education" of sorts, will straighten you up.

-Joe


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Aug 23, 2003, 4:14am

[View Quote] Actually, KAH does not have linux installed on any of his machines.

> Microsoft can grasp your "decent coding practices". Most of their code is
> flawless. Their OSs have a few problems, which really aren't that big of
> problems if you know what you're doing. Such as, threads being totally
> messed up and memory handling. If their products were truly pure and utter
> crap, as you Linux-thumpers like to say, then why do soooooooo many people
> use them? As for bugfixes, and security, hotfixes and patches come out
> every other day practically to fix most of the problems that are found.

I'm sorry, I wasn't aware of the last time a huge *nix virii/worm/trojan
got on the loose. Windows is the worst of the worst as I've
experienced. It's great for games, sure, but the _only_ reason
enterprises use it is for the sheer fact that it's fast to get crappy
code working the way you want it paying half wage for employees that
program crappy.

> Have you ever looked at a Linux exploit, how about an AIX one... what about
> a Sun OS one? Every operating system is going to have exploits targeted at
> it. Sure, there were programming mistakes made, but there were for _every_
> operating system out there, well, except JoeOS. :P I have to understand
> how most of these exploits work in order to find vulnerable/infected
> machines at my job. The only reason there's so many exploits for windows,
> is because its the biggest OS, the most "hackers" are going after exploiting
> its inner-workings. If Linux were to suddenly be the most popular OS for
> desktop machines, "hackers" would go after it! But, if you've also done
> your research, which I knowwwwwww such an informed person such as yourself
> has done, you'll not that there are just as many, if not more exploits for
> *nix then windows created every day!

Yeah, all OS' have exploits... name one that has as many as Windows that
are exploited minutely.


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Aug 23, 2003, 5:10am

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> Yeah, all OS' have exploits... name one that has as many as Windows that
> are exploited minutely.
>
>

http://www.informationweek.com/story/IWK20030124S0013

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Aug 23, 2003, 5:52am

[View Quote] Fell short of the "as many as" and "minutely" criterion. Of course, one
can mention all the patches released by distrobutions to fix things like
apache and their ftp servers and things like this... but case and point
that those aren't exactly standard as _all_ the exploits in windows
(excluding the IIS which has googles of it's own problems).

The Errata page linked in that to show the bugs of linux shows quite a
bit of non-essential (even non-sensical other than for "my linux box has
EVERYTHING installed" view). The ones that were essential were just
bugs and not exploits or really hackable other than with the local
system. But, oh well... I would rather have control over my operating
system. Maybe that's just me.

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Aug 23, 2003, 7:03am

IT specialists estimate the total windows bugs and exploits
for all (latest) versions to be a total of 2000.

They also estimate that MS knows about 600 of them already
but MS will not tell about them unless someone else finds
out.


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Aug 23, 2003, 10:10am

"joeman" <john at fakeplastic.com> wrote in
news:3f46761f at server1.Activeworlds.com:

> KAH, when you become of age when you join the workforce, you'll see
> what I mean. Where I work (a very popular university), the only
> non-windows machines on campus, are the Sun mail servers, various sun
> boxes in labs, a few Linux machines in labs, and the AIX mainframes.
> The rest, is windows as far as the eye can see. Walk into many major
> businesses, and you'll find that they're using all windows. Just
> because you're a Linux bible-thumper, doesn't mean the rest of the
> world runs on your agenda.

No, the world doesn't run on my agenda. I'm painfully aware of that. Maybe
it will one day, though. At least a bit closer to it. I don't care if you
work at a very popular university. It's not my problem if the IT people
there are stupid and are running mainly on a Win32 platform, their (your's,
maybe) loss. You guys are the ones that will be out of a job the day the
entire campus gets taken down by crackers.

> Here's one usage statistics site:
> http://www.epistemelinks.com/Info/OpSys.aspx
> Lets look at the most current, 2003...
> Windows got a whopping 84.56% of the hits....
> Linux and its variants got a mere 11.45%...
>
> Wow... Ok, on to the next site...
>
> Here's another one:
> http://lumumba.luc.ac.be/kris/stats/usage_200301.html Windows got
> 2,732 hits Linux got 548 hits.
>
> ...
>
> And another: http://geneura.ugr.es/webalizer/usage_200203.html
> Windows: 8655 hits
> Linux: 601 hits

I'm aware that Win32 is by far the most popular OS for the desktop, no need
to tell me.

>
> I am well aware that Linux and its variants, are used on many servers
> world wide; I'm even running on right behind me performing various
> caching and logging functions. I am also aware that Novell is used
> many places, along with Sun OS, Cisco IOS, and other embedded OS's in
> switches, telecom equipment, etc. But, the greatest number of
> workstations are windows, which in terns require windows servers to
> drive them. The Linux replacements for such services (such as SMB),
> are horrible.
>
> Now, you're probably still in the "omg I installed Linux, I r sooo
> l33t, it can d0 everthing!!!! I heart Linux j00!" phase... But, once
> you get a job in the IT field, or hell, even McDonalds... You'll begin
> to realize that Linux isn't all that great for enterprise
> applications. I hope I'm not being "nasty", as .duo. would put it,
> but its the raw uncut truth. I'm not trying to be mature about
> anything.

As Bowen said for me, I haven't installed Linux on any of my boxes. Not
counting the floppy-sized Linux distribution that sure as hell doesn't "d0
everthing!!!!". You're not being "nasty", you're being an MS-fanboy, and
you're being silly. I just proved it isn't the truth, and yes, you ARE
trying to act very mature (read your own posts, and you'll see).

> Microsoft can grasp your "decent coding practices". Most of their
> code is flawless. Their OSs have a few problems, which really aren't
> that big of problems if you know what you're doing. Such as, threads
> being totally messed up and memory handling. If their products were
> truly pure and utter crap, as you Linux-thumpers like to say, then why
> do soooooooo many people use them? As for bugfixes, and security,
> hotfixes and patches come out every other day practically to fix most
> of the problems that are found.

No they can't. They prove that all the time. And even if their code had
been flawless, their insane program design would still make their programs
just as insecure. Come on, "a few problems"... That's a gross
understatement, and you know it. Anyway some of the problems are pretty
major (such as, for example, the Win98 memory handling), having a lot of
impact on the use and operation of the system.

> Have you ever looked at a Linux exploit, how about an AIX one... what
> about a Sun OS one? Every operating system is going to have exploits
> targeted at it. Sure, there were programming mistakes made, but there
> were for _every_ operating system out there, well, except JoeOS. :P

That's certainly true (except the JoeOS part ;-D), but there seem to be a
lot more mistakes on Win32, and Win32 is closed source, and will only get
fixed if Microsoft feels like it. A lot of the time, they don't.
Anyway, with Linux and other Open Source applications, the code is being
reviewed by a LOT of people that are more or less independant of eachother.
People that will raise the alarm if they find something they think looks
cheesy. I'm not saying the Windows code isn't being reviewed by a bunch of
people (although a lot less than with Open Source apps), but they're NOT
independant of eachother, and they can't be all that competent (either
that, or they're just too few) when you look at all the problems.

> I have to understand how most of these exploits work in order to find
> vulnerable/infected machines at my job. The only reason there's so
> many exploits for windows, is because its the biggest OS, the most
> "hackers" are going after exploiting its inner-workings. If Linux
> were to suddenly be the most popular OS for desktop machines,
> "hackers" would go after it! But, if you've also done your research,
> which I knowwwwwww such an informed person such as yourself has done,
> you'll not that there are just as many, if not more exploits for *nix
> then windows created every day!

I doubt there really are as many exploits for *NIX being created every day
as for Windows. There are quite a few *NIX exploits, although a lot are
actually directed towards popular *NIX software such as Apache (Slapper for
example, going for Apache through buggy versions of OpenSSL).

> I don't know why I wasted three and a half minutes, but, I hope a
> little "education" of sorts, will straighten you up.

Probably because you feel dedicated to Microsoft. Did they make you sign a
lifetime fanboy-contract to give you those XBOX development tools?

You missed the point entirely. The point isn't what OS is most popular
right now, but which OS is *better*. Popular != Good.

KAH

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