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Jun 11, 2006, 7:04pm

....and that includes 7.75% tax and Fedex shipping btw. Oh,also, I did not
choose the lowest prices on all of this. You can go lower. The only thing
not in this list is a monitor and printer. You already have those! And, you
don't need a floppy disk anymore... almost, and you already have a keyboard
and mouse, but I included them just because! This pewter will work great,
has WinXP Sp2 and well, it's only shortcoming is the video is integrated
onto the motherboard. I just wanted to let you folks know what is available
out there at extremely reasonable prices. Not trying to PO anyone!

MWAVE BIEN (BLACK) MIDDLE TOWER W/430W ATX POWER SUPPLY 4x5.25" 2x3.5"
6x3.5"(hidden) W/ FRONT USB CONNECTOR
NO EXTRA FAN
$29.00
SKU: BA21001 -

SONY CDU5225 BLACK 52X CDROM EIDE INTERNAL(Bare drive)
NO EXTRA AUDIO CABLE
NO AUDIO/DATA CABLE
$13.00
SKU: AA10795 - -

HITACHI/IBM 80GB UATA-100 14R9246/0A30210 7200RPM 2MB 8.5MS (Bare drive)
NO DATA CABLE
$44.90
SKU: AA21970 -

MICROSOFT WINDOWS XP HOME W/SP2 (OEM/DSP)#N09-01625/01624*Must be Purchased
w/Hardware!!*
$81.00
SKU: AA15060

LOGITECH BUNDLE: DELUXE DESKTOP PS2 KEYBOARD & OPTICAL MOUSE (Black) (White
box) (*Regular $15.5 - $3 Mwave Instant Rebate = $12.5, While Supplies
Last!)
$12.50
SKU: 3693849

ASUS P5P800-MX BUNDLE W/ RETAILED
CELERON D 346 3.06G (533Mhz)
MWAVE 1GB DDR400
ASSEMBLE/TEST BUNDLE
$201.62
SKU: MB-BA22192 -BA21960 -BA20959 -TEST

SONY 1.44MB BLACK FLOPPY DRIVE #MPF9201/131
NO FDD CABLE
$8.90
SKU: AA27230 -

Sub Total $390.92

Shipping & Handling Calculator $20.12 (Fedex ground)

Sales Tax (Orange County, CA - 7.75%) $30.30

Total $441.34

Jun 12, 2006, 5:49am

I don't know.
When I tallied the total for mine.
I bought all the parts myself never ordered any of if and put it togeather
myself and still the price was a little over $2,000 when i was done.

windows xp $100
My mother board cost a little over $100
My sound card cost a little over $200
My video card cost a little over $400
My cpu cost around $800
My 60 gig hard drive cost a little over $100

I wish i knew where these cheaper parts are at that are actuly worth buying.
You have a web site where you got all that from?





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Jun 12, 2006, 6:02am

$2000 for that??

I built a new gaming machine to play oblivion.. it was about $500, $200
of that being the video card. The rest being a motherboard, cpu, and a
nice new HD.

Jun 12, 2006, 6:37am

You got a lot of enthusiast gear in that setup there, or I'm at least
assuming that based on the prices...I believe the topic was more about just
how low-you-can-go and still get a workable computer.
The bang for the buck is a steep steep curve when it comes to the cutting
end stuff.

$200 sound card? Can get a pretty good one for around 70.

$400 video card? First a current generation card yes. But a previous gen
are still very fast for around 200.

$800 CPU? Yikes. Can get a good one for $300.

$100 should got you waaaay more than 60. Shoulda been closer to 200-300GB.

All that was for a standard computer, not even budget rate.
Check newegg.com for prices.

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Jun 12, 2006, 6:41am

Oh yea speaking of low prices, you can get one for less than $442 if you
decide to go with an assembler instead. I know Dell usually carries the
budget line for $300 plus shipping and tax.


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Jun 12, 2006, 1:32pm

get a pc at dell for 11 dollars a month with financing ; }

Jun 12, 2006, 7:57pm

If any of you are interested

www.tigerdirect.com is great for barebone and cheap deals

Whoever it was that said their computer cost $2000, you got ripped.

My system cost Me less than a $1000 and I have seen some pretty decent
systems for the prices the other guys are quoting.

Anyway. I just thought this might help.

Oh, piece of advice, if you buy a dell, don't expect to be able to do much
with it. My wife had one, and the case is specificall designed to be pretty
much non-upgradeable.

If you can do it, my advice, order/buy the parts yourself, and piece it
together. If you are unsure, ask in here, or go to a store like Fry's
Electronics, or as above Tiger Direct, and get a barebones system. These
are basically a case, with all the parts already done, without things like
monitors, keyboards etc, but lets face it, if your sitting here reading
this, you already have them (lol).
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Jun 12, 2006, 10:07pm

I dont know WHAT you're talking about with the dells. I've delt with
tons of dells, from their low range desktop models up to their
enterprise server products, and everything is built up to standards.
You can upgrade memory, drives, processor, add in any PCI, PCIE, PCIX,
ISA, whatever cards. If you wanted to you could swap out the
motherboard with a different one too that you could buy off newegg.

Building a computer is really not a good trick to teach a beginner.
There's just too much to take into account. Dell is an excellent way to
go if you're starting out looking for a good deal, or like me, and just
looking for a good deal.

I personally *can* build my own machines, but prefer to pick them up
from dell. I've got a warranty that dell provides. My machine breaks?
Send it back. You cant do that with a home built computer. Plus,
their next day delivery and business service agreements have saved my
ass a number of times at work.

Seriously, dell is not a bad thing.

-Joe

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Jun 12, 2006, 10:24pm

Hi Joeman,

I'm Angel's wife...the one who had the Dell lol. Not everything in my pc
was able to be upgraded like you're saying. Maybe it was the type that I
had, not sure. I couldn't even replace the cd rom drive without literally
destroying the case, so I got another pc. Actually had Angelicus build one
for me. They may not be the same for everyone, but the one I had was that
way.

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Jun 13, 2006, 12:51am

What I mean was, was that yes you can do all the things with Dell, but thats
when you buy it, once you get it however, it leaves very little to be able
to do anything with.

However, I do agree with you on the fact that if you dont know what your
doing, then Dell is a good place to start as they do have quality parts.

My only reason for suggesting Tiger Direct was because of the pricing and
this obviously seems a concern for the person.

Not trying to start anything here, just offering help is all.
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Jun 13, 2006, 1:15am

Swapping out the mobo in a dell requires you to change the PSU as well. They
changed the pinouts on the connectors so that you can't throw normal ATX
motherboards/PSUs in their computers.

Comps aren't that bad, I think mine's probably worth a little over $1k after
I upgraded it, and while the gear isn't bleeding-edge, its still got plenty
of life for it. Unless next year games start needing more than 512MB of
graphics memory....

-CMM
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Jun 13, 2006, 1:30am

"Whoever it was that said their computer cost $2000, you got ripped."

That was me and the prices i listed are true and i did not get ripped off
becasue everywhre i looked the prices for the parts where in the same price
range.

The cpu i went for was
3 ghz amd athalon

the video card i went for was
RADEON 9800 XT 256MB

the sound card i went for was
Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS Platinum Pro

And yes, the 60 gig drive was a little over 100 bucks, when i got that way
back in 2003

Note, i got all these when they came out.

Jun 13, 2006, 2:07am

www.mwave.com, often beats newegg, but I always comparison shop.

That spec'd PC was a budget PC... I got good parts! I went for Sony, and
Asus, Intel, Logitech, and IBM... very reliable stuff! I used to be an ABIT
fan, but they cot flaky, and I know my ISP uses ASUS for all over their near
1000 servers... and every MB by them has been rock solid that I have had.

Yes, I could have spec'd an even cheaper PC... but I didn't like the brands.

Jun 13, 2006, 4:29am

And as I so hatefully found out, you can't change the PSU without probably
needing a new case. Because the dell cases are shaped around the parts
inside. If you can find a PSU with exact same port positions you win though,
but I sure couldn't :P
Course if you don't mine scooting it back a few inches and letting it dangle
there, then its fine...

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Jun 13, 2006, 4:45am

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Jun 13, 2006, 6:32am

Why would I want another dell PSU? They're crap :P

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Jun 13, 2006, 10:04am

I used to have a bad opinion of Dell, with its stereotypical asian
support centers and crap bloated systems. Especially since my Dell
computer came with fucked nVidia drivers that basically killed Windows.

And then i got this Inspiron laptop <3 Dell are becoming more innovative
i guess, more like Apple (not to mention the fact that they're pushing
to have OSX licensed for them), plus their displays are grand.

I especially like the technology they're starting to put into it, such
as the battery's inbuilt charge indicator and the most genius thing, the
ability to boot to a second partition with the mediaDirect button.

Agreed though, they do tend to take away the customaizationability ,
they're too arrogant about their own mods.

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Jun 13, 2006, 8:10pm

ahhh, then that explains it. My apologies, if you got them when they first
came out that explains the heavy pricing.

I personally still would not have paid $2,000 for a computer, but then again
the computer I built a year ago wasn't that bad, cost me $500 and was out of
date a year later.

I personally try to balance it out. I don't need a computer that is cutting
edge, but I do believe in buying the best you can get within the budget you
have.

So again my apologies for the comment, but I still don't agree with the high
price tags they put on new graphics cards etc.


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Jun 15, 2006, 5:41pm

lol! i got a macbook pro from london for just over $3,000, and finally
came to the conclusion that without a copy of windows XP, apples are
shit! sure they're pretty, quite well built, and such, but from my point
of view, $2000 for a proper computer seams like quite the fair deal.
anyway, next time i get a pc, i'm going to the states! >_<

-SWE

Jun 16, 2006, 3:56am

ASUS M2NPV-VM nVIDIA GeForce 6150 CHIPSET SERIAL ATA300 MICRO ATX FORM
FACTOR 1xPCI-E(X16)/1xPCI-E(X1)/2xPCI/4xDDR2 W/INTEGRATED VGA,SATA2
RAID,LAN(Gb),USB 2.0 & AUDIO (CPU TYPE:AMD ATHLON 64 / SEMPRON - SOCKET AM2)
AMD SEMPRON 2800+ - MANILA
MWAVE 2GB DDR2 533
(1GB x 2)

$284.34 $284.34
SKU: BA22827 -BA22672 -BA20518 -BA20518

MWAVE BIEN (BIEGE) MIDDLE TOWER W/430W ATX POWER SUPPLY 4x5.25" 2x3.5"
6x3.5"(hidden) W/ FRONT USB CONNECTOR
NO EXTRA FAN

$29.00 $29.00
SKU: BA12002 -

SONY CDU5225 BEIGE 52X CDROM EIDE INTERNAL (Bare drive)
NO EXTRA AUDIO CABLE
NO AUDIO/DATA CABLE

$13.00 $13.00
SKU: AA08442 - -

SONY 1.44MB BEIGE FLOPPY DRIVE (Bare Drive) #MPF920/Z/161
NO FDD CABLE

$8.90 $8.90
SKU: AA00695 -

HITACHI 80GB 0A30356/13G0255 SATA150 8MB 7200RPM (Bare drive) *SATA Power
cord is required
NO DATA CABLE
NO POWER CORD

$46.90 $46.90
SKU: AA24960 - -

LOGITECH BUNDLE: DELUXE DESKTOP PS2 KEYBOARD & OPTICAL MOUSE (Black) (White
box) (*Regular $15.5 - $3 Mwave Instant Rebate = $12.5, While Supplies
Last!)
$12.50 $12.50
SKU: 3693849

Shipping & Handling Calculator $19.48
Sales Tax (Orange County, CA - 7.75%) $30.58
Total $444.70



This is a WOW system! I plan on buying this... for my linux server. :) No
windows! Have to get linux seperately. But if you already had a copy of
windows, this would be an awesome upgrade for some folks. :)

Jun 16, 2006, 6:14pm

You must have forgot to add the price of a good CPU,
or you used one from another...



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Jun 16, 2006, 6:21pm

looks like if you want over 400w you need to pay over $100 for those
supplies.
What a rip!
For that much money you can almost get a goldplated one with dual fans
and configurable power connectors elsewhere.

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Jun 16, 2006, 6:30pm

I don't see a good video card, just a build-in one. What's the performance
like?


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Jun 16, 2006, 6:47pm

Yea, sort of pricey. You don't want to skimp on the PSU though, it's a
critical foundation component that everything depends on. I won't spend less
than $70 on mine personally; not that price = quality, but that's the
general going rate of the good ones anyway.

- Com

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Jun 16, 2006, 7:14pm

I don't have this system yet, I intend to order it for a server, so graphics
were not on my list, hence the integrated Geforce chipset.

However, I do have a A7N8X-X Asus MB here with an Anthlon XP 2600+ with 1Gb
ram and an aging Geforce4 Ti4600.... and I get near 27fps in Serene with it
at 200 vis. It's also my current Windows World server.

So, if I were to install Windows onto the machine I listed in my previous
post, I am thus boosting my cpu to a 2800+, doubling my ram to 2Gb, and
using a far better video chipset(built in) and a SATA 80gb harddrive instead
of the aging 16Gb IBM drive I'm using now. I'd say there would be a huge
improvement.

But I suppose it all depends on what you are already using now.

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Jun 16, 2006, 7:27pm

Oh, also, the system I outlined also uses the new AM2 CPU pinout, and the
whole system is easily upgraded. So, over the coming months buying a couple
upgrades could vastly improve it. And in the mean time, prices keep
dropping, and you haven't broken your piggy bank.

EVGA 256-P2-N445-LX GEFORCE 7300GT 256MB DDR2 PCI-E w/HDTV & DVI $99.90

CREATIVE LABS SOUND BLASTER SB0610 AUDIGY 4 24-BIT 7.1 PCI (Retail) $74.64

AMD ATHLON 64 3800+ (ADA3800CNBOX) W/512KB CACHE 90NM (ORLEANS) 64-BIT
SOCKET AM2 RETAIL BOXED W/COOLING FAN (3 YEARS WARRANTY) (*Limit
2pcs/customer) $143.17

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