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Feb 8, 2004, 8:11pm

The Lady, while you have the best of intentions I have to say this is
very unrealistic of you.

The Bible is often interpreted as "Christianity good, everything else
bad" and many people hold and represent this view.

However, people aren't exactly going to turn round and start praising
God on AW. God/alcohol does not equate to good/bad in the real world.

In simple words, it's pointless trying to use a Bible verse like this
one on non-Christians. They do not see God as the automatic good.

If in your view people who aren't praising the Lord are evil then please
never talk to me again.

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> the Spirit" (Ephesians 5:18).
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Feb 8, 2004, 8:44pm

[View Quote] Yeah too bad I'm not christian, isn't it? Blows apart your whole reply
sweets. (Didn't want to go looking for the post in this mess... don't
have my newsreader in thread mode)

Feb 8, 2004, 11:18pm

you do have some right and some wrong, Rossy. I was not dissing christianity
(if you thought that I am very sorry), I was dissing a belief against us
that is wrong.
Your God is all around you, they say, in the rocks and trees LOL we just
gave them names....but they are all part of the God and Goddess (male and
female...doesn't this make any sense?). They are not false gods. They ARE
the God (of both sexes).
Now as for the Devil. Yes your writings say about Lucifer. That is why I
call it a Christian myth. The so called God of the pagans has been around
long before any Lucifer. Long before the writing of that book. I would think
more that some man took the pagan god and wrote a story about the Devil
(dancing and singing and all round partying at that time being considered
evil). We all have our beliefs, who is right and who is wrong? But I do
insist on saying my mind when peaceful wiccans are called devil worshippers,
knowing what Devil means in most people's minds. So my post was more against
Bowen and not meant as any form of slander against Christians.
500,000 pagans were executed in europe alone during the witch hunts. I do
not ever want to see that start again due to ignorance.
PEACE!
sweets

Feb 9, 2004, 1:15am

Agreed...(I think I've been filtered by Sweets, but for the sake of any who
are following this thread)...where I was raised and educated as a Christian,
we were required to study other beliefs and worship with those others when
we were able to reasonably travel to do that, so we could see things from
their point of view (and share ours). Teachers (in the church) are required
to create an understanding about all beliefs, as well as agnosticism and
atheism. As a matter of fact, for example, this week begins a 6 week seminar
in my church called "Our Jewish Neighbors". We work together when possible
for common goals (not religious goals usually, but humanitarian ones). Then,
instead of the scoffing as some people here have learned or been conditioned
to do out of lack of knowledge, you get a kid who grows up saying "I can
understand that."

I do agree with Brock though when he said "Keep religious discussions out of
AW." (except where individuals want to talk about it or a world is developed
where you choose to go or not) and I think the Lady is way out of line
bringing Bible verses to such a diverse group.
Just my tithe to the discussion.

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Feb 9, 2004, 3:54am

Amen brother!

-Monkey
(not winning any friends here today, no doubt)

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Feb 9, 2004, 2:24pm

Yes I understand sweets, and it wasn't just to you it was to everyone.
These thoughts have been swirling around in my head for a while.
Christianity only calls Wicca devil worship because it has to explain
supernatural things that aren't down to God to be down to the devil.
People interpret this as Wiccans automatically having to be evil, which
is of course, wrong. It's just a different belief system, and I would
guess (correct me if I'm wrong though) that Wiccans would have some way
of explaining the origin of Christian beliefs.

The history of it all and what religion is the right one is not what I
was discussing. Yes it was ignorance of the Bible's true message that
led to witch hunts. I do not even have to say it was ignorance of the
Wiccan religion - it was ignorance of the Bible's true message, which is
worse.

The thing is, Christianity does call peaceful Wiccans devil worshippers,
because it cannot logically call them anything else. They are
worshipping a supernatural force that is not the Christian God... so in
the Christian belief they can only be worshipping Lucifer. But as I
said, that doesn't make Wiccans evil, but misguided by evil forces.

So don't think of Christians who persecute Wiccans as ignoarant of
Wicca. Think of them as ignorant of Christianity. Because the most
they're supposed to do is spread the Christian message.

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