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Port surfing, illegal ? (Community)
Port surfing, illegal ? // Community
Jul 16, 2003, 4:14pm
But same EULA is in the uniserver software.
Drac
starfleet <Starfleet at Command.com> kirjoitti
viestissä:3f15955e at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> That's the uniserver ini, not the aworld ini.
>
> But here is one.. http://www.activeworlds.com/help/aw34/debug_log.html
>
[View Quote]> "ananas" <ananas at oct31.de> wrote in message
news:3f1594a6 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
aworld.ini
> file:
suspend my
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Jul 16, 2003, 4:18pm
nope, it is the browser's aworld.ini - they explain
how to connect to your own universe by modifying the
universe settings of your browser.
<quote>To customize your browser, ...</quote>
[View Quote]starfleet wrote:
> That's the uniserver ini, not the aworld ini.
>
> But here is one.. http://www.activeworlds.com/help/aw34/debug_log.html
>
> "ananas" <ananas at oct31.de> wrote in message news:3f1594a6 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
>
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> file:
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Jul 16, 2003, 4:20pm
well i dont see license.txt or anythng like that in my Aw dir :)
Jul 16, 2003, 4:26pm
[View Quote]r i c h a r d wrote:
> Telegram from Calpantera, sent Tue Jul 15, 2003 22:10:
> Editing the ini is altering the software and against the EULA..
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No it isn't.
--
-Agent1
Jul 16, 2003, 4:41pm
Well, even easier than comparing the IP :)
If you change the [universe] section and do not modify the
[citizen] section, your browser will try to login with the
same name and password that it had stored in the previous
universe. At least it does that if you tell the browser to
remember the login informations.
The risk is clear of course : the owner of the new universe
probably knows a valid login from the first universe now.
He does not know which universe it is from but the chance is
high that it is the one on default host/port.
[View Quote]r i c h a r d wrote:
> Quite simpley as well to find out like with me the universe keeps log files.
> Of visitors IP's etc. Your name and/or IP must have been located in one of
> the private universes log files and if it was your IP it may match up with
> your name in the AW uniserver logs as well.
>
> http://www.activeworlds.com/help/aw34/uniserver_log.html does show quite a
> extensive logging mechanisum. But like world server logs that shows every
> bit info about you down to the exact cells youve queried etc
>
>
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Jul 16, 2003, 4:44pm
I never said anything was illegal. I said it was against the EULA.
Activeworlds has the right to enforce or not enforce any part of this EULA
at anytime including terminating your right to use. All I was doing was
asking in a rather stern manner "Don't go into private universes" that is
all. If I was to connect to various ports on your systems and see what
things I could do I am sure you would not appreciate it either. Please don't
reply to me via this thread as I consider the matter closed and will not be
reading it.
Thank you
[View Quote]"ananas" <ananas at oct31.de> wrote in message
news:3f1596df$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> nope, it is the browser's aworld.ini - they explain
> how to connect to your own universe by modifying the
> universe settings of your browser.
>
> <quote>To customize your browser, ...</quote>
>
>
> starfleet wrote:
news:3f1594a6 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
aworld.ini
suspend my
>
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Jul 16, 2003, 5:12pm
LOL Rich, that means universe owners break the law when they edit the ini
to access their universe
~John (Dumbass at W Peeps)
[View Quote]"r i c h a r d" <richard.lazenby1 at ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:3f154f69$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> Modifing the ini is in breach of the AW EULA (End user license agreement)
as
> its counts as editing the software. Some universes on are private and
aren't
> ment to be visited by people. Each browser you install licenses you to 1
> copy of the AW Software for accessing the AW universe only or which ever
> universe its set to. I had a slightly extended talk from bill about this.
> But doesn't this mean programs like AWStart are illigal?
>
>
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Jul 16, 2003, 5:14pm
Even using the software is illegal: If AWHack is illegal then entering a
world where you have different rights to the last world it changes your
memory! So therefore it must be illegal.
LOL!
~John
[View Quote]"count dracula" <dracula at netsonic.fi> wrote in message
news:3f158d94 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> I bet it would. I was not actually editing the ini file either, just
> replaced it. I renamed the original ( I take I must be allowed to have my
> files named as I wish on my PC). Then I dropped the new ini file in. I
must
> be allowed to store a text file where I wish on my PC and must be allowed
to
> have it named as I wish. If AW-exe do choose to use the text file I have
> decided to store in a folder of my choose, instead of the one meant , it
> cannot be my fault, can it ?
>
> Drac
> bowen <Bowen at andras.net> kirjoitti
> viestissä:3f158c21$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> internet
>
>
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Jul 16, 2003, 5:16pm
[View Quote]john wrote:
> Even using the software is illegal: If AWHack is illegal then entering a
> world where you have different rights to the last world it changes your
> memory! So therefore it must be illegal.
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That was just silly. :D
But the browser itself changes that information, so it's not illegal. :P
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--Bowen--
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Jul 16, 2003, 5:18pm
But that is telling you to do something thats illegal, editing the ini!!!
[View Quote]"starfleet" <Starfleet at Command.com> wrote in message
news:3f159500$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> http://www.activeworlds.com/help/aw34/firewall.html
> http://www.activeworlds.com/help/aw34/debug_log.html
>
> "bowen" <Bowen at andras.net> wrote in message
news:3f158a37$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
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Jul 16, 2003, 5:20pm
Does this mean that if I run System Restore having uninstalled AW (on my pc
it restores deleted stuff) and it re-adds ths ini & the software, that its
illegal?
~John
[View Quote]"count dracula" <dracula at netsonic.fi> wrote in message
news:3f158fa3$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> Thank you Richard.
>
> Now if anyone could point me to the place that forbid me to rename any
file,
> I would be happy.
>
> " GRANT. Subject to the terms of this Agreement, Activeworlds.com, Inc.
> ("AWCOM") hereby grants you a limited, personal, nontransferable,
> nonsublicensable, royalty-free, nonexclusive license to use one copy of
the
> client software product you are about to install in object code form
> ("Software") for the purpose of accessing the Active Worlds server and
> using
> the Active Worlds software resident thereon ("AW Software")."
>
> I guess this is the critical part. Note especailly the "for the purpose of
> accesing the Active Worlds server" I was connecting to an Active Worlds
> server and only one place at once.
> Now I have just out of curiousity download the OW and CNW browsers just to
> see if the text is changed for those, if not I really do not consider I
have
> braken any rules.
>
> Drac
>
> r i c h a r d <richard.lazenby1 at ntlworld.com> kirjoitti
> viestissä:3f158afd at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> ARE
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Jul 16, 2003, 5:21pm
I belive you cant if they suspend your account because they reserve the
right to suspend your account?
~John
[View Quote]"count dracula" <dracula at netsonic.fi> wrote in message
news:3f15933d$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> Thank you Mongo :-)))))
> I will use this when the drag me to court or I drag them if they suspend
my
> account.
>
> Drac
> mongo <mongo at alt.2600.comcrap> kirjoitti
> viestissä:3f158e1d$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
However,
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AW
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Jul 16, 2003, 5:24pm
[View Quote]john wrote:
> I belive you cant if they suspend your account because they reserve the
> right to suspend your account?
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That would be selective enforcement. He's already paid for his account
and they're threatening to disable his for doing something nearly
everyone has done once. A lot of done uniserver surfing, and I'm sure,
almost everyone has changed their ini once.
--
--Bowen--
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Jul 16, 2003, 5:33pm
LOL SWE your in Libya, Right? LOL your using AW illegally!!! :)
Read This Section:
"EXPORT CONTROLS. None of the Software, AW Software or underlying
information or technology may be downloaded or otherwise exported or
re-exported (i) into (or to a national or resident of) Cuba, Iraq, Libya,
Yugoslavia, North Korea, Iran, Syria or any other country to which the U.S.
has embargoed goods; or (ii) into any country in which the U.S. has
embargoed goods, or to anyone on the U.S. Treasury Department's list of
Specially Designated Nationals or the U.S. Commerce Department's Table of
Deny Orders. By downloading or using the Software, you are agreeing to the
foregoing and you are representing and warranting that you are not located
in, under the control of, or a national or resident of any such country or
on any such list."
Leo :)
[View Quote]"r i c h a r d" <richard.lazenby1 at ntlworld.com> wrote in message news:3f158afd at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> Inside the AW Installation or right here:
>
> ACTIVE WORLDS BROWSER END USER LICENSE AGREEMENT
>
> BY CLICKING ON THE "NEXT" BUTTON, YOU ARE CONSENTING TO BE BOUND BY AND ARE
> BECOMING A PARTY TO THIS AGREEMENT. IF YOU DO NOT AGREE TO ALL OF THE TERMS
> OF THIS AGREEMENT, CLICK THE "CANCEL" BUTTON AND THE INSTALLATION PROCESS
> WILL NOT CONTINUE. IF THESE TERMS ARE CONSIDERED AN OFFER, ACCEPTANCE IS
> EXPRESSLY LIMITED TO THESE TERMS.
>
> GRANT. Subject to the terms of this Agreement, Activeworlds.com, Inc.
> ("AWCOM") hereby grants you a limited, personal, nontransferable,
> nonsublicensable, royalty-free, nonexclusive license to use one copy of the
> client software product you are about to install in object code form
> ("Software") for the purpose of accessing the Active Worlds server and using
> the Active Worlds software resident thereon ("AW Software").
>
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>
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>
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>
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> information or technology may be downloaded or otherwise exported or
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> Yugoslavia, North Korea, Iran, Syria or any other country to which the U.S.
> has embargoed goods; or (ii) into any country in which the U.S. has
> embargoed goods, or to anyone on the U.S. Treasury Department's list of
> Specially Designated Nationals or the U.S. Commerce Department's Table of
> Deny Orders. By downloading or using the Software, you are agreeing to the
> foregoing and you are representing and warranting that you are not located
> in, under the control of, or a national or resident of any such country or
> on any such list.
>
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Jul 16, 2003, 5:44pm
[View Quote]binarybud wrote:
> LOL SWE your in Libya, Right? LOL your using AW illegally!!! :)
> Read This Section:
>
> "EXPORT CONTROLS. None of the Software, AW Software or underlying
> information or technology may be downloaded or otherwise exported or
> re-exported (i) into (or to a national or resident of) Cuba, Iraq, Libya,
> Yugoslavia, North Korea, Iran, Syria or any other country to which the U.S.
> has embargoed goods; or (ii) into any country in which the U.S. has
> embargoed goods, or to anyone on the U.S. Treasury Department's list of
> Specially Designated Nationals or the U.S. Commerce Department's Table of
> Deny Orders. By downloading or using the Software, you are agreeing to the
> foregoing and you are representing and warranting that you are not located
> in, under the control of, or a national or resident of any such country or
> on any such list."
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So, AWI is in violation of United States Export Controls. SWE would've
already downloaded it by the time he recieved that message... so...
who's at fault? AWI or SWE?
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--Bowen--
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Processing time: 27 days, 15 hours.
(Total hours: 663)
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Jul 16, 2003, 5:47pm
heheh interesting.....
[View Quote]"bowen" <Bowen at andras.net> wrote in message news:3f15ab30$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> binarybud wrote:
>
> So, AWI is in violation of United States Export Controls. SWE would've
> already downloaded it by the time he recieved that message... so...
> who's at fault? AWI or SWE?
>
> --
> --Bowen--
>
> No of SETI units returned: 35
> Processing time: 27 days, 15 hours.
> (Total hours: 663)
> www.setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu
>
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Jul 16, 2003, 5:51pm
Typical AW response. Bash you and never bother to explain why.
I was threted with beeing banned from AW. If the reason is that I am not
supposed to enter private univereses, that is surely a thing between me and
the universe owner, not the hoster of the universe.
I also belive we have come to the conclusion that the EULA do not reach to
the ini file and furthemore, it should be viewable whenever one want; not
only by reinstalling the programm.
In the gram there was noting mentioned about you not wanting me to enter
private univereses, simply that it is against EULA to surf ports.
Drac
calpantera <bill at activeworlds.com> kirjoitti
viestissä:3f159d1f$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> I never said anything was illegal. I said it was against the EULA.
> Activeworlds has the right to enforce or not enforce any part of this EULA
> at anytime including terminating your right to use. All I was doing was
> asking in a rather stern manner "Don't go into private universes" that is
> all. If I was to connect to various ports on your systems and see what
> things I could do I am sure you would not appreciate it either. Please
don't
> reply to me via this thread as I consider the matter closed and will not
be
> reading it.
>
> Thank you
>
>
[View Quote]> "ananas" <ananas at oct31.de> wrote in message
> news:3f1596df$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> news:3f1594a6 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
the
> aworld.ini
> suspend my
>
>
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Jul 16, 2003, 5:53pm
Sure I can, I have paid for my account and worlds. If I am banned because I
do something they ENCOURAGE doing on their help pages; I sure as hell can
file a fraud report to the local authorities.
Drac
john <john at 3d-reality.com> kirjoitti
viestissä:3f15a5b4 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> I belive you cant if they suspend your account because they reserve the
> right to suspend your account?
>
> ~John
>
[View Quote]> "count dracula" <dracula at netsonic.fi> wrote in message
> news:3f15933d$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> my
> However,
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