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Mar 13, 2003, 8:28pm

A chatlog:

Ryan Jacob: they restrict discussion about the Iraq war here?
"jjfs85": hi
CaBLeCar Gal: yes thirdbob
telescope: hI
telescope: I
GK Lady Cherokee: yes Ryan
telescope: Hi
"HotDog": Hello cablecar how r u
"thirdrob": who do I call???? ;)
Ryan Jacob: *makes a note NOT to come back here again*
telescope: I want be a citizen
GK Lady Cherokee: AW gate is *G* Rating.. No
Profanity....Racial.....Sexual..... Harassment......Religous....or Debates
of any kind... We try to keep AW a family enviroment Please Have respect
Please remember we May Have Children in here

With respect to the GKs, this is the most ridiculous thing I have
heard...what draws people to AW is the debates and discussion. I agree with
the no profanity, racial, etc. but stultifying religious discussion and
debates are horrible censorships...while AW doesn't have to comply with the
US free speech amendment, this is a bit overboard in my opinion and doesn't
reflect well on new users.

I am personally offended by the restriction on religious discussion...

Mar 13, 2003, 10:19pm

To be quite honest, have you even been paying attention to the general
discussion newsgroup? :P THAT is why they don't allow debates in AWgate.
;)

SW Chris

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Mar 13, 2003, 10:36pm

I'm going to have to agree with chris on this one, I think AWGate is right
in their decision. They want to keep this place peaceful, and with people
arguing and debating, it might just offend someone, or rub someone the wrong
way, i don't say debating in aw on a whole is wrong, but just not in AWGate.

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Brock - 308723
AW 3.4 Build: 455
AWTeen DE Leader
Brock at my.activeworlds.com

From Newbie Guide to the Newsgroup (4th Edition):

"Brock - This dude with a 'tude isn't afraid to speak his mind,
especially when it concerns others in his own age range.
In other words, the perfect NG candidate."
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Mar 13, 2003, 10:46pm

[View Quote] because of the many different beliefs and views on such topics they ARE very
debate provoking, major debating of any kind is not what we want to
introduce new members in the universe to. you do NOT need to involve views
on religion and war to have a good, well-structured conversation. we all
know what debates are like, i personally DON'T want to see anything like
what aw citizens see as being a 'debate' in the gateway. it just causes for
a bad atmosphere and more trouble, which we don't need.

maki

Mar 13, 2003, 11:16pm

The GK's of AWGate are on a power trip. Do it over and over if possible. If you're
on dialup you have an advantage.

As long as there's no name calling or swearing, I see no reason why it can't be
alowed. It's certainly within G rating.

--Bowen--

Mar 14, 2003, 12:33am

Yeah. It should be allowed. Religion is not PG-13! It's G Rated! So your not
breaking the rules. Like bowen says when AWCom hands eject and PS to anyone
in the start world the person becomes Power Hungry!

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Mar 14, 2003, 12:37am

BTW, the GK's take away our rights of free speech! AWGate is definatly a
doomed world due to it's insane rules in chat!

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Mar 14, 2003, 12:43am

[View Quote] LOL, you're 'free' to say whatever you 'want', just don't turn it abusive
and psychotic like most 'debates' turn out to be, unless they're controlled.
why don't you just take your religious acts and war beliefs and cause hell
in somewhere like awteen instead? WHY do you have, or even WANT to do this
in the Gate anyway?!

maki

Mar 14, 2003, 1:09am

Out of control debates...mute is better than eject. Why can't they encourage
mute instead of banning free speech?

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Mar 14, 2003, 1:29am

[View Quote] Power trip.

--Bowen--

Mar 14, 2003, 2:14am

You never answered his question: Why do you need to have these
discussions in AWGate? Isn't that what AWDebate world is for? :P

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Goober King
Take it outside!
gooberking at utn.cjb.net

Mar 14, 2003, 2:23am

but they DO often encourage the use of mute - they periodically copy and
paste one of their many quotes about harassment/abuse and the ability to
MUTE people - but you shouldn't have to mute everyone participating in a
'heated debate' in the gateway!

maki
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Mar 14, 2003, 2:43am

I think you misunderstand the first amendment of the Constitution. It only states the following:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

Privately owned (and internationally used, in this case) forums do not fall under jurisdiction of the first amendment.

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Mar 14, 2003, 2:54am

That is correct. Hence why I don't argue that AWI has to permit anyone to
talk about whatever they want - but GKs going through saying "You can't do
this" isn't exactly right and welcoming in my opinion. AWGate is the Gate to
the Universe - do we show there that we don't want people to debate topics
of interest?

I don't visit AWGate but my concern lies in the new visitors to AW...I don't
think GKs should be over dominant.

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Mar 14, 2003, 3:04am

To no one in particular, and only in reply to the topic in general.......

lets face it guys, the majority of ppl , in particular *censored*...cant
HANDLE the right to some one ELSE , other than themselves, having free
speech. AWGate is the gateway to the flowers and bunny rabbits world of AW,
and the gateway isn't the place where they want newcomers abused for
actually daring to voice their opinions.

The rest of us may be adult and ready to allow ppl to have an opinion (
although judging from these NGs, only when they agree) but the Gateway has
to allow for the 5 year old and / or the rigidly determined pacifist that
hasn't been able to get along in the real world and wont be able to get
along in AW but who MAY register if they see only bunny rabbits and flowers.

Facetious this may sound.... but think about it.... its true

Mar 14, 2003, 3:14am

Then again.....Gatekeepers remove the person that upsets the bunny
rabbits......and they dont register as a result....


guess AW belongs to the bunny rabbits hey?


[View Quote] lets face it guys, the majority of ppl , in particular *censored*...cant
HANDLE the right to some one ELSE , other than themselves, having free
speech. AWGate is the gateway to the flowers and bunny rabbits world of AW,
and the gateway isn't the place where they want newcomers abused for
actually daring to voice their opinions.

The rest of us may be adult and ready to allow ppl to have an opinion (
although judging from these NGs, only when they agree) but the Gateway has
to allow for the 5 year old and / or the rigidly determined pacifist that
hasn't been able to get along in the real world and wont be able to get
along in AW but who MAY register if they see only bunny rabbits and flowers.

Facetious this may sound.... but think about it.... its true

Mar 14, 2003, 3:53am

Your only arguing the matter because you can, there is a time and a place
for everything, and debate and stuff like this is simply not for a place
like AWGate, and not a time when your in AWGate. Do it in whisper or go
somewhere private.

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Brock - 308723
AW 3.4 Build: 455
AWTeen DE Leader
Brock at my.activeworlds.com

From Newbie Guide to the Newsgroup (4th Edition):

"Brock - This dude with a 'tude isn't afraid to speak his mind,
especially when it concerns others in his own age range.
In other words, the perfect NG candidate."
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Mar 14, 2003, 4:09am

Why Brock?

Where is this law written? and most importantly, why?
the point was not whether AWGate is only for Bunny Rabbits, obviously it is,
but where was the logic behind the decree?

Forcing everyone to exist without argument is pretty unnatural aint it? To
eject any one that holds an opinion for or against any thing and just leave
the entry way to AW as a plastic, sterile, garden of meaningless carrot
recipe chatter.......*shrugs* that surely only appeals to the minority and
offends the majority

Arguing because i can? yeah... too right i am..... i CAN, at least in
this place, at this time.....thank goodness.

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Mar 14, 2003, 4:12am

right on! :) hehehehe

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Mar 14, 2003, 5:29am

[View Quote] Don't worry about Brock, he's just trying to repeat his awng guide description.
Whether or not if he actually is that way.

--Bowen--

Mar 14, 2003, 12:01pm

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*yawn* Learn your own laws before you try to throw them around. The first amendment only says that "Congress shall make no law [...] abridging the freedom of speech". That doesn't apply to Gatekeepers.

-Agent1

Mar 14, 2003, 1:06pm

The Gate is a special place for helping newbies and others learn the software and what AW is all about.
People need to understand this....the Gate is NOT for debates of any kind. It disrupts. What i do not understand is why people insist on gathering there for their debates and harrassment of people.....then when they get disiplinied they scream censorship....
People just nee to learn the rules and learn what AWGate is for. After that is real simple....EJECT!
If you do not want to play by the rules of the gate then ejection is way to easy to make ou comply.
REMEBMER this If you have a hard time with authority then the gate is not for you....because authority is what is needed at the gate in order for it to run smoothly. There are hundreds of other worlds you can do what you want in just leave the Gate alone.

Leo :) aka BinaryBud

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Mar 14, 2003, 1:09pm

it's easy AW oewn AWgate and they do not want that crap there.... period....listen if they wanted only people with one hand comeing to the gate guess what they can do that too.....just follow the damn rules and your ok...and do not try to force YO ideas of how th egate should run on others. we don't need debates and arguments at the gate....does that make sense to you?


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Mar 14, 2003, 1:11pm

because AWI owns the world and that is how THEY want it run period...why cannot you understand that point?


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Mar 14, 2003, 6:52pm

wow, kellee - being a person who runs awnewbie and awschool, in which is
supposed to help and welcome new people to the universe, i never thought you
would encourage debating in the gateway. every conversation involves small
'arguing' or 'debating', but IT'S natural and they aren't big issues that
can turn into trouble. like i and others have said, the gate is a place for
newbies to be welcomed and receive help with the browser, not to listen to
angry, outraged citizens on their first visit. the gate is plenty enjoyable
without these huge debates. and again like i've said before - why? why must
you debate in the gateway? there's twelve-hundred other worlds to argue in.

maki
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Mar 14, 2003, 7:03pm

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Mar 14, 2003, 7:36pm

I did not say arguing was wrong, no no no.
I said that this is a huge universe, there are plenty of places to do that.
All AWGate is for, is for learning how to use aw and really light
conversation, you learn how to use it, then you leave, you want to argue, do
it in aw, or some other world, see how they react, the peacekeepers will
probally tell you not to do it also, simply because there is no reason for
you to be doing it in that place. That's why we have AWDebate, that's why we
have whisper, and that's why we can go elsewhere, and talk in private.

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Brock - 308723
AW 3.4 Build: 455
AWTeen DE Leader
Brock at my.activeworlds.com

From Newbie Guide to the Newsgroup (4th Edition):

"Brock - This dude with a 'tude isn't afraid to speak his mind,
especially when it concerns others in his own age range.
In other words, the perfect NG candidate."
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Mar 14, 2003, 8:16pm

[View Quote] I will agree that the AWgate is a place for newbies to get accustomed with
the environment, software, and I say leave it as such.

But the actual real problems is, when was the last time did a debate
actually take place in AWDebate?
Yes there are 1200 other worlds to chat in Maki says. Yes, 1200 worlds that
are mostly devoid of people.
I've checked at AW Ground Zero at different times of the day once recently
and most of the it's just dead and quiet as usual. Even checked multiple
times when I had the chance at Peak time of the day, still little or no
chatting. Trying to find places to chat other than the AWgate is hit and
miss affair, and its a miss most of the time. Let alone for those trying to
find a place to debate.

Mar 14, 2003, 10:35pm

[View Quote] It used to be that you would never find less than ten people at GZ... Alas.

Mar 14, 2003, 11:35pm

The gate needs a Debate area so they can put in a global chat bot so you
hear chat from anywhere in world and you enter different zones so this way
theu could utimatly open a section for interests and debates in perticular
and the Global Chat would stop people from cussing by giving them a warning
when someone wears.

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