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Feb 16, 2001, 7:08pm

Hi All,
I have just come up with a slight problem about GOrean worlds... I know
lots of you out there are against Gor, but please bare with me...
Gor worlds must be rated 18+. And I feel that actually "asking" for age, as
phalaphe will agree with me, is invasion of privacy. Is it required to ask
for the persons age, or is it good enough to have your world rating at X,
have your immigration officer or bots give out a notice about your world
being 18+ only, and may contain adult content, and if they are under 18 to
please leave the world?
Is this a good enough world feature instead of asking for age? Because
either way, anyone can lie, telling them that the world is adults only makes
it their responsibility....
PLease, I need some input on this...

Anduin Lothario
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Feb 16, 2001, 8:15pm

Asking for someone's age isn't really an invasion of privacy, especially because it's used to make sure only adults enter the world.

I agree that both options include the possibility of false information, but if someone can *really* convince you that they're an adult... dunno.

-Agent1


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Feb 16, 2001, 8:35pm

rate it X, that's kinda REQUIRED for adult worlds, and ask for age...I
wouldn't lie on that anyway (maybe that's cuzz I'm smart! :-)) )


KAH
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Feb 16, 2001, 9:38pm

I'm not a Gor fan myself but the policy (asking your age) seems a correct way to go.
Of course you still have to maintain the "X" rating for those worlds.
Andras


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Feb 16, 2001, 9:51pm

Hey AL.. I can make a bot that asks the person's age when they enter and
will warn them if they do not respond and then eject them if you'd like :o]

Feb 17, 2001, 1:51am

[View Quote] Thanks for the offer, but I've just got mine telling them to leave if under
18. And if they stay I usually ask if they are over 18, nothing more than
that. I don't enjoy ejecting people, I'd rather they left quietly on their
own.

Thanks again <smiles>

Sincerely,
Anduin Lothario
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Feb 17, 2001, 6:05am

I have a few comments:::

Lots of kids easily lie about being 18+ and quite convincingly too... Will
the low-lifes of "gor" worlds even notice clues that someone is not adult
before that someone is witness to a "slave" being ordered down on all fours
and being publically "taken" by a so-called "master"??? I think not!!!

Before you say it's not "really" happening, let me remind you that words
have power; written or voiced... Power to influence... Power to harm...
Power to degrade... Power to instill beliefs or to take away beliefs..
Power to create lasting visuals... We may not take our avatars into Real
Life with us but words and interactions online can and do influence us to an
extent even after the computer is turned off -- moreso if you are young and
impressionable...

I don't feel any decent human beings would even participate in "gor"
worlds... Anyone that believes that, or even "plays" that, any part of the
human race is sub-human slave material degrades ALL human beings...
Period...

I don't think "gor" worlds should be allowed to exist in ActiveWorlds... To
me, those worlds being allowed here is on the same level that allowing Klu
Klux Klan worlds or Nazi/White Supremacist worlds would be... What
happened to AWCOM's rules about discrimination??? The low-life "gor"
participants discriminate against females or encourage being discriminated
against...

They say they aren't harming anyone... I say, sure, they aren't harming
anyone, any more than the belief that having dark skin makes you sub-human
harmed anyone --- and we know how unfair and how very wrong that is and how
many generations of blacks and other races suffered because of it and some
are still suffering...

(Need I remind some of you about 5 bodies found stuffed in barrels in the
midwest??? This harmful "gor" crap does reach into Real Life from the
internet...)

This "gor" crap IS harmful to society as a whole and by extension, harmful
to the AW society... I will never understand why some ppl stand by and let
it happen and I will stand against those who embrace it...


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Feb 17, 2001, 9:31am

[View Quote] I was trying to start some argument about Gor or anything, but I don't see
your problem here... I simply asked about the age asking and so forth. I
don't need more stupidity and another flamed thread...
In AW in particular, sorry to say, most of the slaves are wanting to be
submissive and have a great understanding of Gor, it is how and who they
are.

> I don't feel any decent human beings would even participate in "gor"
> worlds... Anyone that believes that, or even "plays" that, any part of
the
> human race is sub-human slave material degrades ALL human beings...
> Period...

There are lots of very descent human beings participating in Gor. I mean, I
know AWSchool Teachers, Peace Keepers and even Gate Keepers who are Gorean!

> I don't think "gor" worlds should be allowed to exist in ActiveWorlds...
To
> me, those worlds being allowed here is on the same level that allowing Klu
> Klux Klan worlds or Nazi/White Supremacist worlds would be... What
> happened to AWCOM's rules about discrimination??? The low-life "gor"
> participants discriminate against females or encourage being discriminated
> against...

That's just over the top. I mean, read the books by John Norman before
thinking we are anything like this.

> (Need I remind some of you about 5 bodies found stuffed in barrels in the
> midwest??? This harmful "gor" crap does reach into Real Life from the
> internet...)

Hey, need I remind you that bodies are found everywhere, and that does not
have to have anything to do with Gor. People that do this are SICK and
PSYCHO'S! It happens all around the world, 5 bodies from a Gorean man. How
many billions of bodies from others? Even those without any particular
lifestyle besides being on drugs.
Whoever killed those 5 bodies was wrong, they set a bad name for Goreans.
But seriously, you wont find many like that. And if so, look around your
neighbourhood for some sick psycho's who could do the same. The Internet is
the same everywhere, doesn't have to be GOR!

> This "gor" crap IS harmful to society as a whole and by extension, harmful
> to the AW society... I will never understand why some ppl stand by and let
> it happen and I will stand against those who embrace it...

Harmful? I don't see any harm it has done in AW. I mean, we have our age
limits, if someone wants to lie about their age and we don't find out, then
so be it. It is their own responsibility, sure isn't mine. If a 13 year old
came into my world and said he/she was 29 for example... how could I know.
He/she stuffed his/herself up and is responsible for his/herself. If I give
a notice saying my world is 18+ (Adults Only) and may contain sexual content
including slavery, if under 18, please leave NOW. I think it is sufficient.

Anymore to say? Don't bother posting it here, it's a pain in the backside.
Read the Books of Gor by John Norman, written since 1966, there's around 25
of them in the series. Maybe you will enjoy them.

Anduin Lothario
P.S: oh, see, I also work with AWComreg, big deal if I am Gorean. I also
work at an ISP, I'm Gorean in R/l. It doesn't stop me, does it? I haven't
treated ANY women with dis-respect. And I keep my lifestyle at private as
much as I can.
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Feb 17, 2001, 11:11am

One of the things I have noticed about the Net it's that it is more looking like
the 'Old Far West' rather than the 'Future Communicating System', it's fun to
see how the old mankind it is still the same..maybe we are more looking like
people from 2,000 years ago than the future beigns
icey

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Feb 17, 2001, 7:18pm

[View Quote] I think rating at X and using a bot to tell everyone who enters something
like "you MUST be 18 years or older to be in this world. If you are younger,
leave now" is enough. If someone stays after this warning, it's their own
problem.

If you want to go for asking, you don't have to ask for someone's age.
Asking if someone is 18 or older is enough. That way nobody has to give
their age away.

What is gor anyway?

rolu

Feb 18, 2001, 4:09pm

> I don't feel any decent human beings would even participate in "gor"
> worlds... Anyone that believes that, or even "plays" that, any part of
the
> human race is sub-human slave material degrades ALL human beings...
> Period...

I'm wondering just how many of your good and decent friends, who you
associate with every day in AW, actually have a seperate account to use in
the Gor worlds. I'm wondering how many of your good and decent friends were
offended by what you said. I'm betting you think that none of your friends
are Gorean. I'm also betting that if you dig around you will find out that
you have Gorean friends and didn't even know it. :)

Imagine





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Feb 23, 2001, 4:27am

I say bring on the Nazis, the KKK, the Goreans, oh yah and even let those
PURITAN FREAKS WHO THINK THEY KNOW HOW WE ALL SHOULD LIVE to have worlds. :)

Not that I like Nazis...but I like a society in which they are allowed to be
what they are. Because suppressing things doesn't cure them. And there are no
hard lines, so once you can say "no nazis" or "no Goreans" you can also say "no
middle-aged washed-up hippies" and then *I'm* in the gas chamber. :)

[View Quote] > I have a few comments:::
>
> Lots of kids easily lie about being 18+ and quite convincingly too... Will
> the low-lifes of "gor" worlds even notice clues that someone is not adult
> before that someone is witness to a "slave" being ordered down on all fours
> and being publically "taken" by a so-called "master"??? I think not!!!
>
> Before you say it's not "really" happening, let me remind you that words
> have power; written or voiced... Power to influence... Power to harm...
> Power to degrade... Power to instill beliefs or to take away beliefs..
> Power to create lasting visuals... We may not take our avatars into Real
> Life with us but words and interactions online can and do influence us to an
> extent even after the computer is turned off -- moreso if you are young and
> impressionable...
>
> I don't feel any decent human beings would even participate in "gor"
> worlds... Anyone that believes that, or even "plays" that, any part of the
> human race is sub-human slave material degrades ALL human beings...
> Period...
>
> I don't think "gor" worlds should be allowed to exist in ActiveWorlds... To
> me, those worlds being allowed here is on the same level that allowing Klu
> Klux Klan worlds or Nazi/White Supremacist worlds would be... What
> happened to AWCOM's rules about discrimination??? The low-life "gor"
> participants discriminate against females or encourage being discriminated
> against...
>
> They say they aren't harming anyone... I say, sure, they aren't harming
> anyone, any more than the belief that having dark skin makes you sub-human
> harmed anyone --- and we know how unfair and how very wrong that is and how
> many generations of blacks and other races suffered because of it and some
> are still suffering...
>
> (Need I remind some of you about 5 bodies found stuffed in barrels in the
> midwest??? This harmful "gor" crap does reach into Real Life from the
> internet...)
>
> This "gor" crap IS harmful to society as a whole and by extension, harmful
> to the AW society... I will never understand why some ppl stand by and let
> it happen and I will stand against those who embrace it...
>
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Apr 8, 2001, 11:05pm

I really dont write back to these comments on here. I dont think most of
them are worth talking back to.. but i do have a side to both AL and Daphne
comments on Gor .. now AL is right about kids lying about there age.. and i
do see where that could be a problem.. not many people know about a Gor life
style.. only over the top.. Not saying I am Gor.. But i do know some things
about it.. enough to know what it is.. Most of the people i have come across
on AW are younger then 18. And to get in to some worlds they do lie, Not
saying any names, but that is a problem. I do agree with Daphne, Gor is a
very harmfull life style if not lived with there rules and laws. And AW is
"suppose to be" safe and fun, but like eveything its not. I just really
think it should be more private and setrice.

Apr 8, 2001, 11:16pm

Does AW allow people to buy a citizenship without a credit card? Assuming
the answer is no, then to have a citizenship you have to be at some age. If
a parent bought one for their child, then I would say allow people in the
world. The owner can always ban them from the world if they misbehave.

If parents don't want their child there, then they should monitor what the
child does on the computer more. It isn't our job to babysit.

I have met a lot of good and not so good teens. Again I stress, if it
anyone regardless of age disrupts a world, then the owner can ban them.
Base your actions on behavior not age. I think you will find this more
successful


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Apr 8, 2001, 11:19pm

OK try again. How come sometimes my replies don't show up here?

I will type my response again and this tiem COPY it if it doesn't work LOL,
errr

Does AW require payment by credit card? If so, doesn't that assume someone
of a certain age acquired the account?

If it was a parent buying one for a child, then that child should be judged
based on their actions, not age.

If they misbehave, have the owner simply ban them.

I think you will find this a better resolution then trying to enforce age
checks.


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Apr 8, 2001, 11:27pm

I havent ever wrote back to these comments in the newsgroups. First most
of them are a much of crap and most people have stupid comments back. But
when it come to safety I do take things seriously.
Now, I agree with Daphne and AL. I have a few comments myself about AW
having Gor worlds. I know what a Gor life style is. I am not saying I am a
Gor. But I know more then most people know about a Gor life style. I agree
with Daphne that it is a very harmful life style. Its only harmful if not
follow by there rules or some may say "laws."
Most of the people I know on AW are under 18. And some do lie about
being under 18 to get into world. I am not nameing names. But I know a some
people. And AL is right. Its easy to lie about your age. And put up an act.
And AW is "suppose to be" a fun and safe game. But like life. We cant sugar
coat everything. I am not going as far as to take off all Gor world from AW.
But I do think they should be more private and stricter.

Apr 8, 2001, 11:45pm

sorry i have 2 things up there. my comptuer said the first one didnt send..
so i wrote another one.. lol my bad

Apr 9, 2001, 2:46am

Why does AW have it set up this way?

It is very hard to use the board the way it is. I don't know if my messages
are sent, and there is no "go back" feature to enable a person to retry in
case it didn't work the first couple times.

If they had it on a message board like EZboard, then all you have to do is
access one URL. Going through Outlook Express I have to going through all
these "GET SMART" doors and password games just to see no one responded to
my post. It is rediculous!!!!!



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Apr 9, 2001, 5:15am

1 - Does AW allow for people to buy a cit without a credit card?
Yes They Do Allow For People To Buy Without A Credit Card.
I know several people myself that have gotten their cit's
buy sending in Money Orders or CASH in the mail method.
One of them lives in the Deleware USA area
And 2 of them live in Australia areas.
2 - The parent should monitor what the kid does on the PC more.
I agree. BUT again... All 3 of my friends that have gotten their
cit# by alternate means than Credit Cards also have some parent
that is working at the time the kid is home from school & using
the PC. So they are not there to monitor anything.
3 - I have meet many more good and ROTTEN teens & preteens in AW.
The really ROTTEN teens & Preteens... They are the ones
i would KILL to get my hands on a GUN [ejector] and blast their sorry
excuse of themselves out.[Only one like that from Australia]
The others i can reason with and not have to eject or just reduse
their gifts [rights] a little until they smarten up and then i give
them back their gifts [rights]. It works 99.99999999% of the time.
[I host 2 worlds & have world GIFTS in several others]
[As well as World GIFTS from other universes as well]
m a r c u s <none at sfsdfsd.come> wrote in
<3ad10d67$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com>:

>Does AW allow people to buy a citizenship without a credit card?
>Assuming the answer is no, then to have a citizenship you have to
>be at some age. If
>a parent bought one for their child, then I would say allow people
>in the world. The owner can always ban them from the world
>if they misbehave.
>
>If parents don't want their child there, then they should monitor
>what the child does on the computer more. It isn't our job to babysit.
>
>I have met a lot of good and not so good teens. Again I stress, if it
>anyone regardless of age disrupts a world, then the owner can ban them.
>Base your actions on behavior not age. I think you will find this more
>successful
>

Apr 9, 2001, 7:37am

[View Quote] YES

>Assuming
> the answer is no, then to have a citizenship you have to be at >some age.

Where the hell have you been living? AW gives away more cits
than they sell.

> If parents don't want their child there, then they should monitor >what the
> child does on the computer more. It isn't our job to babysit.

Parents don't WANT their child much of anywhere in all seriousness. Why the hell does everyone insist on pulling the wool over
teenaged eyes and not letting us show us a sugarcoated world.

>
> I have met a lot of good and not so good teens.

I have met a lot of good and not so good adults.

>Again I
>stress, if it
> anyone regardless of age disrupts a world, then the owner can >ban them.

Exactly. However, the Gor age restrictions are because of inappropriate content, NOT disruptions.

> Base your actions on behavior not age. I think you will find >this more
> successful

As I've said THOUSANDS of times, though not in this particular newsgroup, age means nothing, it's the person that matters.

In short, if Gor doesn't want children, they can get the hell out of the main universe OR keep ejecting based on age as a relative
guideline.
>
>
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