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Sep 20, 2000, 11:09am

The New USWF Web Site is now up and we'd like to thank mj for his great work
in making and being the webmaster of it.
Get the latest information about the USWF and also check out the CHALLENGE
section of the site as the USWF starts up a new challenging and educational
system more like a Role Playing Game of Real Life.

www.geocities.com/uswf_head

Regards,
Anduin Lothar

Oct 20, 2000, 9:17pm

Sorry to disappoint you, but i would not thank your webmaster if i were
you.

My personal oppinion:

1) he put up a rediculous warning page as if you were about to enter an
adults only area
2) your home page is not a home page but a navigation help page, pretty
redundant
3) your Webmaster has a a Spelling Problem (capitalization)
4) your longer texts (e.g. CHALLENGE) show that your webmaster used a way
to TINY font that noone can stand for more than 3 lines of text.

Faber

"-=[Anduin Lothar]=-" <uswf at centercom.com.au> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:39c8b706$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> The New USWF Web Site is now up and we'd like to thank mj for his great
work
> in making and being the webmaster of it.
> Get the latest information about the USWF and also check out the
CHALLENGE
> section of the site as the USWF starts up a new challenging and
educational
> system more like a Role Playing Game of Real Life.
>
> www.geocities.com/uswf_head
>
> Regards,
> Anduin Lothar
>
>
>

Oct 21, 2000, 3:33am

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I have to agree, I think its pretty lazy to tell people what browser to =
use. There's people who hate MSIE, and people who hate NS. In fact, I =
offer to redo your site for you..

--=20
- Chandler56
"Use your free will to the ULTIMATE advantage: Assassinate the =
Government!"
____________________________________________________________
[View Quote] I get this:=20

=20

I'l assume that you don't actually 'wish' to exclude Netscape users... =
This being the case you may wish to talk to whoever is responsible for =
coding the page... I'm a Netscape user... I'l not be going any further =
into the Site... I figure if the Home Page can't be read without being =
forced to switch to another Browser then there's likely not much for me =
further on down (in the Site...) I don't switch Browser unless 'I' want =
to... I certainly don't do it because a Site tells me to...=20

Maybe look into less 'bells and whistles'. Like who needs JAVAScript =
and Frames on an info Site... If I wanted to be impressed I'd go =
elsewhere... IF I were to use your Site it would be for INFO...=20

What this says to me (and maybe only me) is if 'they' aren't even able =
to get the code right for all Browsers then of what value is the Info =
within... I'l just go elsewhere (someplace that 'can' code for all =
Browsers...)=20

My 2 cents...=20

[View Quote] Sorry to disappoint you, but i would not thank your webmaster if i =
were=20
you.=20
My personal oppinion:=20

1) he put up a rediculous warning page as if you were about to enter =
an=20
adults only area=20
2) your home page is not a home page but a navigation help page, =
pretty=20
redundant=20
3) your Webmaster has a a Spelling Problem (capitalization)=20
4) your longer texts (e.g. CHALLENGE) show that your webmaster used =
a way=20
to TINY font that noone can stand for more than 3 lines of text.=20

Faber=20

"-=3D[Anduin Lothar]=3D-" <uswf at centercom.com.au> schrieb im =
Newsbeitrag=20
news:39c8b706$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...=20
> The New USWF Web Site is now up and we'd like to thank mj for his =
great=20
work=20
> in making and being the webmaster of it.=20
> Get the latest information about the USWF and also check out the=20
CHALLENGE=20
> section of the site as the USWF starts up a new challenging and=20
educational=20
> system more like a Role Playing Game of Real Life.=20
>=20
> www.geocities.com/uswf_head=20
>=20
> Regards,=20
> Anduin Lothar=20
>=20
>=20
>

--=20
Tyrell - Alpha Prime - 21.8s 457e 90 - "Mundus vult decipi"=20
"Eat well, stay fit, die anyway."=20
http://www3.sk.sympatico.ca/ty1/index.html=20
http://www.dlcwest.com/~rpatter/index.html=20
ICQ UN - 272905=20
All those who believe in psychokinesis raise my hand.=20
=20


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<DIV><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" size=3D1>I have to agree, I think its =
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people who=20
hate NS. In fact, I offer to redo your site for you..</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><BR>-- <BR>- Chandler56<BR>"Use your free will to the ULTIMATE =
advantage:=20
Assassinate the=20
Government!"<BR>_________________________________________________________=
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<DIV>tyrell &lt;<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:tyrell1 at sk.sympatico.ca">tyrell1 at sk.sympatico.ca</A>&gt; =
wrote in=20
message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:39F10D37.36098693 at sk.sympatico.ca">news:39F10D37.36098693 at sk=
..sympatico.ca</A>...</DIV>Hmmm...=20
can't seem to reply to the original post... anyway...=20
<P>Was just checking out the Site... and stopped at the Home Page =
(which is=20
the page after the 'warning Page'...)=20
<P>I get this:=20
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width=3D140>=20
<P>I'l assume that you don't actually 'wish' to exclude Netscape =
users... This=20
being the case you may wish to talk to whoever is responsible for =
coding the=20
page... I'm a Netscape user... I'l not be going any further into the =
Site... I=20
figure if the Home Page can't be read without being forced to switch =
to=20
another Browser then there's likely not much for me further on down =
(in the=20
Site...) I don't switch Browser unless 'I' want to... I certainly =
don't do it=20
because a Site tells me to...=20
<P>Maybe look into less 'bells and whistles'. Like who needs =
JAVAScript and=20
Frames on an info Site... If I wanted to be impressed I'd go =
elsewhere... IF I=20
were to use your Site it would be for INFO...=20
<P>What this says to me (and maybe only me) is if 'they' aren't even =
able to=20
get the code right for all Browsers then of what value is the Info =
within...=20
I'l just go elsewhere (someplace that 'can' code for all Browsers...)=20
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Oct 21, 2000, 5:12am

i use ie5.2, and that image is similar to what i see. somebody fooked up
their css, badddddd..
my personal thoughts on cross-browser webdesign, are:
it's needed, but, it's someone's own choice not to code it that way. the
site is ugly, anyway. i mean, not in my opinion ugly, but just downright
ugly... no offense mj.
i could go on, but, i've been evil enough as it is. and. if you're running a
non-frames browser, eh. holy moses. that's only been around since.. what?
ns2.2 or so? not quite sure, around there. and javascript. run windows? you
have to have a virtual machine and js enabled. that's what much of windows
is now, if you've ever looked at the option to costumize folders. ah well.
plus the fact it be on geocities. augh..

Oct 21, 2000, 8:22am

The site looked pretty ok in my browser(IE 5.0) ,once it had loaded.I have
noticed one thing in this newsgroup (probably in other also);people seems
never to have anything good to say about anything.I think one should at
least sometimes give some positive response,after all people who make their
webpages,objects,textures or whatever do it because they want to
contribute.I am sure that there would be a lot more activeworlds related
webpages "out there" if not every attempt was considered crap from the very
beginning.That do not motivate to develop the webpage.If one do not like a
site then one do not have to go there,it is not harder than that.

Best Regards Count Dracula ,draculaworld.com (a crappy aw-related webpage )

Oct 21, 2000, 2:18pm

I guess the saying goes around here, "you gotta rough it up to stay in AW".
:) Seriously though, most of the more experienced users out there are not
insultive or trying to lower someone's self esteem. Sure, there are some
people who just look at something and say that is just plain stupid, ugly,
ridiculous, and so on without any evidence or perspective. But most just
want the users who contribute to AW the best looking, so they criticize to
the last spelling mistake or fog setting. Nothing is meant to be taken
seriously or with offense in here, just with an open mind. :) Look at the
thread in here for example, all criticisms were meant to improve, and
there's no "You couldn't know how to HTML if your life depended on it". :)
It's the only way you can grow, anyways.

Nornny
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Oct 21, 2000, 4:13pm

I didn't mean to offend Anduin.. im just saying, the web page is poorly
designed. the USWF itself is a good thing

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- Chandler56
"Use your free will to the ULTIMATE advantage: Assassinate the Government!"
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Oct 21, 2000, 8:19pm

First of all, please everyone keep posting your complaints and comments.
Because after all, you need complaints and suggestions to get something
better than it is.
So it's not offending me in any way that people are complaining, it's
actually helping out as I will post these to the webmaster so hopefully they
may be fixed soon.
Everything that we fix I will further post to let you know of the changes
8^D


Best Regards,
Anduin Lothar

Oct 21, 2000, 8:22pm

Chandler, I don't need a new webmaster. mj is great at his work, we'll just
take all these complaints to fix the problems.


Anduin
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"Use your free will to the ULTIMATE advantage: Assassinate the Government!"
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[View Quote] I'l assume that you don't actually 'wish' to exclude Netscape users... This
being the case you may wish to talk to whoever is responsible for coding the
page... I'm a Netscape user... I'l not be going any further into the Site...
I figure if the Home Page can't be read without being forced to switch to
another Browser then there's likely not much for me further on down (in the
Site...) I don't switch Browser unless 'I' want to... I certainly don't do
it because a Site tells me to...
Maybe look into less 'bells and whistles'. Like who needs JAVAScript and
Frames on an info Site... If I wanted to be impressed I'd go elsewhere... IF
I were to use your Site it would be for INFO...
What this says to me (and maybe only me) is if 'they' aren't even able to
get the code right for all Browsers then of what value is the Info within...
I'l just go elsewhere (someplace that 'can' code for all Browsers...)
My 2 cents...
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Oct 21, 2000, 11:32pm

This happens with MSNBC's news site as well, when it fully loads it self
corrects. CSS sheets overlapping or some other complex stuff

[View Quote] > Hmmm... can't seem to reply to the original post... anyway...
>
> Was just checking out the Site... and stopped at the Home Page (which
> is the page after the 'warning Page'...)
>
> I get this:
>
> [Image]
>
> I'l assume that you don't actually 'wish' to exclude Netscape users...
> This being the case you may wish to talk to whoever is responsible for
> coding the page... I'm a Netscape user... I'l not be going any further
> into the Site... I figure if the Home Page can't be read without being
> forced to switch to another Browser then there's likely not much for
> me further on down (in the Site...) I don't switch Browser unless 'I'
> want to... I certainly don't do it because a Site tells me to...
>
> Maybe look into less 'bells and whistles'. Like who needs JAVAScript
> and Frames on an info Site... If I wanted to be impressed I'd go
> elsewhere... IF I were to use your Site it would be for INFO...
>
> What this says to me (and maybe only me) is if 'they' aren't even able
> to get the code right for all Browsers then of what value is the Info
> within... I'l just go elsewhere (someplace that 'can' code for all
> Browsers...)
>
> My 2 cents...
>
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Oct 22, 2000, 2:15pm

I myself am a lame 600x480 display resolution user. I know most people
nowadays runs 800x600 and greater, but I don't have 20/20 vision and don't
like changing all the sizes of everything to just run a higher resolution
and get annoying headaches from my inability to get adequate refresh rates
and annoying flickering, etc, etc, etc, yada. My two cents and a old shoe
to throw in extra is design a site for use to run 640x480, otherwise I burn
out my scroll buttons, lol :) I don't know if anyone else out there feels
the same about sites designed for > 640x480 or not but thought I would see
what others thought.
I likewise love the concept of USWF and that's all that matters in the
ending. :) And for all those using nbci.com or Xoom to host
sites....please get a REAL hosting service!!! Again, in no way am I trying
to offend anyone, but throw some old shoes and 2 cents out the door.

Ox64

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Oct 22, 2000, 3:17pm

I also use 640x480, but its because my monitor sucks ass. Theres simple
javascript out there to resize websites to fit whatever browser size the user
chooses.

[View Quote] > I myself am a lame 600x480 display resolution user. I know most people
> nowadays runs 800x600 and greater, but I don't have 20/20 vision and don't
> like changing all the sizes of everything to just run a higher resolution
> and get annoying headaches from my inability to get adequate refresh rates
> and annoying flickering, etc, etc, etc, yada. My two cents and a old shoe
> to throw in extra is design a site for use to run 640x480, otherwise I burn
> out my scroll buttons, lol :) I don't know if anyone else out there feels
> the same about sites designed for > 640x480 or not but thought I would see
> what others thought.
> I likewise love the concept of USWF and that's all that matters in the
> ending. :) And for all those using nbci.com or Xoom to host
> sites....please get a REAL hosting service!!! Again, in no way am I trying
> to offend anyone, but throw some old shoes and 2 cents out the door.
>
> Ox64
>
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Oct 22, 2000, 4:12pm

Great work yes very great work Aduin Lothar. We all admire your poor job.
:-) Anyways, your webmaster needs improvement in the following:
1) Support for all types of browsers as possible.
2) No warning page.
3)The webmaster has putted Capitals in Netscape and should not be NetScape.
InterNet?????? It's Internet okay?!?!?!? Learn the real way the programs
should be spelled.
4) I'd test it on Netscape and if doesn't work properly, try to have it
work.
5) You never did anything with me when I joined which shows very very very
poor service.
6) On the right side, the scrool bar or whatsoever, it's arrows are hardly
visible. Make a better color for it so it's more visible. Otherwise, some
people may be confused and cannot tell how it works like I when I visited.
And the only reason why I got a bit confused on it is because the arrows on
it is nowhere nearly visible. sheesh
7) Don't mind me posting this exact message to the forums excluding # 7.
You should improve in the above comments for a better website otherwise let
it be kinda crappy.
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Oct 23, 2000, 12:46pm

Dennis13,
I don't even recall you being a member of the USWF. All I remember is
you "applying" to join your just made town when you barely had anything
built yet and only really wanted a copy of the bot. (Plus you have less than
5 residents in your town).
The USWF requires a Town to have a minimum of 5 residents when joining
because for towns the USWF is a subnetwork for the UTN!

Also Dennis13, I remember you keeping on begging for bots and all this.
Please also do not start harassing about our website and webmaster, other's
have put complaints but have not actually "insulted" the people that have
been hard at work with it, whilst you stupidly start picking on the
webmaster about spelling.
Saying a website is crappy is just plain stupid. It would have been better
to say it needs some work. But saying somrething is crappy is plain
insulting to some people.

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Anduin Lothar
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Oct 26, 2000, 4:27am

Hi all,
Thanks to all the complaints and suggestions the USWF will now be
undergoing new site design, We will be remaking the website to support all
browsers and features. If you don't like frames we can also link to a
frameless alternative and so on.


Thanks Again,
Anduin Lothar

Oct 26, 2000, 7:21pm

that's good to hear :)

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- Tony56 (aka Chandler56)
"Use your free will to the ULTIMATE advantage: Assassinate the Government!"
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