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May 10, 2003, 6:28am

Can you see if you can reproduce this bug?

Copyed from Beta group topic light command bug

Browser version 3.4 build 486
CPU = P2 350 Mhz
Video = Voodoo5 5500
Video memory 64 MB
RAM = 128 MB

This can be reproduced in any world.
It only dose this in Direct3D with T&L and Direct3D without T&L, the other
video modes are fine.
Make a sign5.rwx and put this on it.
create light type=spot angle=90 pitch=90 color=white brightness=1 radius=10

Next put walls around that sign and you will see 2 colors shinning from that
object.
That second color that you did not specify changes as you change the real
color you wanted.

That second color is also the negative look of the real color you picked.

if you want it white
+Z side -Z side
black white

if you want it red
+Z side -Z side
light blue red

if you want it yellow
+Z side -Z side
dark blue yellow

if you want it green
+Z side -Z side
purple green

if you want it violet
+Z side -Z side
dark green violet

I put a copy of the bug in awschool at 24.50s 6.20w 0.00a 177
There are 6 box's there all set up with a sign5.rwx in them, each with a
diff color.
It only dose this in Direct3D with and without T&L

Both colors are equal in brightness.
Only the color to the right is the one that is to be there.
The one on the left I have no idea why that is there, there are no other
lights around and the world lighting and fog is all white and the fog is
off.

www.ladyd.us/dlbn/temp/l1.jpg

www.ladyd.us/dlbn/temp/l2.jpg

www.ladyd.us/dlbn/temp/l3.jpg

www.ladyd.us/dlbn/temp/l4.jpg

www.ladyd.us/dlbn/temp/l5.jpg

www.ladyd.us/dlbn/temp/l6.jpg

May 10, 2003, 4:50pm

I went to awschool and I see your walls. I see a light on each one on the
south side and no light on the north side. I think that is the direction the
world light goes. But I don't see 2 colors of light on any of the walls.

Imagine

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May 10, 2003, 6:00pm

It's time to upgrade your card. You can get a nice GeForce2 MX card for
like $60-80. Certianly since Voodoo cards are hardly supported anymore
it would be worthwhile purchase if you're going to continue to use software.


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--Bowen--

May 10, 2003, 8:22pm

I know.
When I bought this Voodoo card there was no warning that they where going
out of business, then about 3 months later they did :-(
I want something that is AGP, supports T&L, and that is equal to or better
then the Voodoo5 5500 card.

Just for information purposes, here are the specs for the Voodoo5 5500

www.ladyd.us/dlbn/temp/voodoo5_1.jpg

www.ladyd.us/dlbn/temp/voodoo5_2.jpg













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May 10, 2003, 10:09pm

[View Quote] Hardware T&L is hard to come by these days unless you get a high end card.

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--Bowen--

May 10, 2003, 11:32pm

I'm just gona go out and get a new video card due to all these Voodoo only
bugs that probably will never be fixed.
To save me the trouble of buying a new card, finding out it don't work right
with AW, returning it and trying another one till I find one that works
right wasting time and gas running around.
I am asking for help on picking one out.
I don't know all the video cards 3.4 was tested on that make AW run best
with little or no (this card only bugs).
So out of all the video cards on this site what would be the best one or
ones for AW?
I don't have any set price range, I will save up for what is needed.
http://www.compgeeks.com/products.asp?cat=VCD
If none of these are good please list all recomendations.
Thanks for all input.

I do know I want
AGP
full Direct X support
full OpenGL support
T&L support
DVD support
TV support
And all or more of the same features the Voodoo5 5500 has.

May 10, 2003, 11:42pm

[View Quote] AGP or PCI are all available.

> full Direct X support

_ANY_ video card on the market that even wants the slightest ability to
compete with anyone needs this.

> full OpenGL support

All newer cards, that should be given any notice, will support this.

> T&L support

Newer cards will support this, hardware T&L that is.

> DVD support

This is not a "feature" of video cards. It's a media playback support.
All video cards should be able to provide ample refresh rates for DVD
unless you're on a 286 or something.

> TV support

TV support is really rare, but you will find some selection among the cards.

My recommendation is the GeForce type cards. Maybe the Geforce4 TI4200
might be what you'd consider. Or any GeForce4 TI card.

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--Bowen--

May 11, 2003, 9:49am

What dose T&L stand for?
Just incase they use the full names and not shorten it by saying T&L.



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May 11, 2003, 3:10pm

Transform & Lighting

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Goober King
Giving some T&L TLC
gooberking at utn.cjb.net

May 12, 2003, 12:23am

I suggest a GeForce 3 Ti200 if you want a minimum T&L, or a GeForce 4 MX440
if you want somthing more advanced. A Ti200 still plays almost everything
that's been released "well".

If you really wanna go for the performance/budget ratio, I suggest a GeForce
4 Ti4200. Links to all 3 are below.

64mb GF3 Ti200:
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduct.asp?catalog=48&DEPA=1&submit=property&mfrcode=0&propertycode=&propertycodevalue=3101,3677
$74

128mb GF3 Ti200:
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduct.asp?catalog=48&DEPA=1&submit=property&mfrcode=0&propertycode=&propertycodevalue=3101,3668
$88

64mb GF4 MX440:
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduct.asp?catalog=48&DEPA=1&submit=property&mfrcode=0&propertycode=&propertycodevalue=3104,3677
$55

128mb GF4 MX440:
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduct.asp?catalog=48&DEPA=1&submit=property&mfrcode=0&propertycode=&propertycodevalue=3104,3668
$71

64mb GF4 Ti4200
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduct.asp?catalog=48&DEPA=1&submit=property&mfrcode=0&propertycode=&propertycodevalue=3107,3677
$107

128mb GF4 Ti4200
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduct.asp?catalog=48&DEPA=1&submit=property&mfrcode=0&propertycode=&propertycodevalue=3107,3668
$120

All brands are created equal in this case. I have to advise against a
Ti200 - support for those is waning, and the MX440 offers comperable
performance. This coming summer is when you will start being unable to play
(newly released) games on Ti200's and MX440's at respectable resolutions
(1280x1024) and full detail at full framerates

Newegg is the most reputable and one of the cheapest dealers on the
Internet. I have over $60,000 worth of orders from them and have never had a
problem that they didn't help me solve (Although there were a few instances
where I got so angry at the hardware and did somthing rash like running it
over with a truck, and they wouldn't take a return on it afterwards). The
FedEx saver shipping that is free on 90% of their items equates to
approximately 3 days coast-to-coast.


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Jul 7, 2003, 11:47pm

Quite the opposite. ATI, nVidia and Matrox all have hardware T&L.

You can find cards that don't?

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Jul 8, 2003, 3:29am

[View Quote] Perhaps you missed the "...these days..." and "...high end card."
_Usually_, off the shelf PC's do not contain these types of cards. They
go for cheap OEM style products like from trident, or intel.

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