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National ID System // General DiscussionbuilderzFeb 13, 2002, 12:50am
I can only imagine what different opinions/stances all of you have on
this matter. I received this e-mail today: ++++++++++++++++++++ TO: ACLU Action Network Members FR: Jared Feuer, Internet Organizer DT: February 12, 2002 In response to September 11th, many have started talking about creating a national ID system as a counter-terrorism measure. In fact, the American Association of Motor Vehicle Administrators is already urging the federal government to create a national ID system by linking state drivers licenses and state databases. Unfortunately, just like the use of Social Security numbers evolved far beyond its original purpose, a national ID card is likely to lead to a surveillance society where our movements are monitored and recorded through the use of "internal passports." A national ID card would not prevent terrorism, and in fact, would lure us into a false sense of security by enabling individuals with an ID -- who may in fact be terrorists -- to avoid heightened security measures. The creation of a national ID would be a misplaced "quick fix" that would pose serious threats to our freedom and privacy. Take Action! You can read more and send a FREE FAX to your Members of Congress, urging them to oppose the motor vehicle administrators' proposal from our action alert at: http://www.aclu.org/action/id107.html ********** Help Strengthen the ACLU's Voice in Congress... Click Below to Become a Card-Carrying Member today! http://www.aclu.org/action/joinaclu.html ++++++++++++++++++++ -Builderz the joker ss eFeb 13, 2002, 1:01am
in europe we have that , every citizen gets an ID card when he gets 12 years
old , he has to be able to how this ID at any time , it has a picture , name , date of birth , place of birth , adress at the time , and signature , i think its good the Us is going to use the same thing , cause now , if i am not mistaken , thing like drivers licences are used for indentification, wich not every citizen has . "builderz" <sawran at yahoo.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:3C69D1F8.9418C9B8 at yahoo.com... > I can only imagine what different opinions/stances all of you have on > this matter. I received this e-mail today: > > ++++++++++++++++++++ > > TO: ACLU Action Network Members > FR: Jared Feuer, Internet Organizer > DT: February 12, 2002 > > In response to September 11th, many have started talking about creating > a national ID > system as a counter-terrorism measure. In fact, the American Association > of Motor Vehicle > Administrators is already urging the federal government to create a > national ID system by > linking state drivers licenses and state databases. > > Unfortunately, just like the use of Social Security numbers evolved far > beyond its > original purpose, a national ID card is likely to lead to a surveillance > society where our > movements are monitored and recorded through the use of "internal > passports." > > A national ID card would not prevent terrorism, and in fact, would lure > us into a false > sense of security by enabling individuals with an ID -- who may in fact > be terrorists -- > to avoid heightened security measures. The creation of a national ID > would be a misplaced > "quick fix" that would pose serious threats to our freedom and privacy. > > Take Action! You can read more and send a FREE FAX to your Members of > Congress, urging > them to oppose the motor vehicle administrators' proposal from our > action alert at: > > http://www.aclu.org/action/id107.html > > ********** > Help Strengthen the ACLU's Voice in Congress... > Click Below to Become a Card-Carrying Member today! > http://www.aclu.org/action/joinaclu.html > > ++++++++++++++++++++ > > -Builderz henrikgFeb 13, 2002, 5:58am
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Which country do you live in? I live in Europe too (Norway), and we don't
have a national ID card, and we are not required to show one "at any time". I think the same goes for all of scandinavia and most other european countries. HenrikG wizard myrddinFeb 13, 2002, 9:10am
Humm, OMG and Pow
Not in the UK my friend and beleave it or not we are part of Europe excluding a few Euro.. [View Quote] lioness oFeb 13, 2002, 9:21am
It is a nice idea to have something like this, however how will it deter
inner terrorism which has plagued the US for years??? Until recently we have been allowed to take pretty much whatever we wanted on airplanes. Of course that has changed drastically but there are still plenty of opportunities out there for terrorists that we have no control over. How often do we hear of Americans belonging to faction militant groups which are a threat to all that we stand for?? How much good will a couple of stupid assigned numbers be when a few people from that group play "kamakaze" and fly their American piper airplane into the white house? Right now we use our driver's licenses and our social security cards/numbers for ID in the states. Our SS numbers offer a way of tracking our employment history as far as the IRS is concerned. True not everyone has a driver's license. Not every state has a driver's license with a photo ID. In fact not every US resident has a SS #. Heck in the medical clinic I work in, I can't even begin to count how many people I've registered who are illegal aliens and use a family members SS#. They have no comprehension of why this is illegal. And I don't speak their language to be able to explain it to them either. How many times have we heard about people obtaining fake driver's licenses?? Is the US government that stupid?? Don't they realize people will find a way around this too??? It's only a matter of time before someone uses somebody else's ID or a fake one. Or possibly an illegal alien without one. Not to mention theft of these cards/numbers like so many SS#'s have been used after people die or in the case of ID theft. I certainly don't think this is a cure all. Sure it might help the IRS nab some of those illegal aliens working legit jobs in the states, but not much else. Our world is so complicated these days, I'm not sure there ever will be a "better" way to do it. ;-") [View Quote] kahFeb 13, 2002, 1:29pm
in central Europe I think it's quite usual (Germany, France, Belgium), there
you can get a federal ID card at a very young age (at least you could in Belgium when I lived there), and the police may ask for your papers in the street... never seen it happen up here in northern Europe though... KAH [View Quote] iceyFeb 13, 2002, 1:48pm
You don't have an ID? You just have a passport? We do have IDs, we also have a
driving licence, C/C, and varoious association cards, various codes ID cards depending on the Officer that you might drop in, the sanitary ID card, the card for the supermarket, passport, when we go round we need a truck to carry all the IDs, I am not sure what in case we'd like to go biking, probably they sell small ID trailers to fix to the bike and pull around wherever we go. Yet it's always me myself. For sure the right ID is always at home, you always carry all those papers, and when you need one, you just find out it to be on the kitchen table or wherever icey:) [View Quote] [View Quote] the joker ss eFeb 13, 2002, 1:58pm
yeh in germany and belgium where i lived we have that , also france holland
and others use it "kah" <kah at kahnews.cjb.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:3c6a8653$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com... > in central Europe I think it's quite usual (Germany, France, Belgium), there > you can get a federal ID card at a very young age (at least you could in > Belgium when I lived there), and the police may ask for your papers in the > street... never seen it happen up here in northern Europe though... > > KAH > [View Quote] henrikgFeb 13, 2002, 4:07pm
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LOL, well I'm glad I don't have to carry one "at all times". But in
practice we do anyway, as most people have a drivers licence, ID on the back of the VISA card etc etc... Actually I don't have a car anymore, do I need a pedestrian license? :) On a serious note: I have to agree with another poster; having a national ID is just a false sense of security. When you deal with determined, well organised and funded terrorists, getting fake IDs will be one of their smaller tasks. HenrikG bodhitahFeb 13, 2002, 10:46pm
I believe the main concern for most Americans is not the ID itself, but the
imbedded information it may contain. Right now most bank credit cards contain much more information than most people know. The bank credit cards of late contain your entire credit history, your employment info and your spending habits for consumer credit companies to track. The National ID proposals would include your and your families medical history, all of the above listed info and if certain people have their way, a micro-transponder that will allow satellite tracking of any and all cardholders. I for one would never accept the proposal of a national ID card. I would rather risk imprisonment for failure to comply than submit to this "Big Brother" plan for societal surveillance. I urge every American to resist this plan and support the ACLU in it's fight. And thank you to builderz for bringing this info here. ~BodhiTah the joker ss eFeb 14, 2002, 2:24am
it only says name , adress , place of birth , place of birth , your cit # ,
and your picture "bodhitah" <bodhitah at hotmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:3c6b08d1$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com... > I believe the main concern for most Americans is not the ID itself, but the > imbedded information it may contain. Right now most bank credit cards > contain much more information than most people know. The bank credit cards > of late contain your entire credit history, your employment info and your > spending habits for consumer credit companies to track. > The National ID proposals would include your and your families medical > history, all of the above listed info and if certain people have their way, > a micro-transponder that will allow satellite tracking of any and all > cardholders. I for one would never accept the proposal of a national ID > card. I would rather risk imprisonment for failure to comply than submit to > this "Big Brother" plan for societal surveillance. I urge every American to > resist this plan and support the ACLU in it's fight. > And thank you to builderz for bringing this info here. > > ~BodhiTah > > trekkerxFeb 14, 2002, 3:38am
I can go buy all your personal infomation.. history, credet, criminal, tax,
history, and where you have lived since birth, and more stuff, for about 80 bucks -- TrekkerX Commatron & Athnex Anti AOL Activist, and some other stuff... http://www.commatron.com http://www.athnex.com [View Quote] sw chrisFeb 14, 2002, 3:42am
bodhitahFeb 14, 2002, 7:39am
Trekker...the question is... why would a Southern California high school kid
want my info ? spend the eighty bucks and see what you can find out about me. I dare you !! You should spend more time doing your spelling homework. silencedFeb 14, 2002, 10:39am
All that stuff is public knowledge anyways. I can go to my local supreme
court and find out anything about anyone in my area. -silenced [View Quote] bodhitahFeb 14, 2002, 4:26pm
*Laughs loudly* ...silenced, you and Trekker should just quit while you're
ahead and avoid anymore ludicrous comments. "the supreme court" LOL you should both shut up and stop embarrassing yourselves in a public newsgroup. chickengurlFeb 14, 2002, 4:49pm
that's a joke, right?
most of that information can be obtained free of charge and hassle.. directly from the internet silencedFeb 14, 2002, 5:57pm
You can obtain any of that information from your local supreme court in the
US. You should shut up before you talk about something you don't know about. Birth Certificates, taxes, land, any other public property such as a house, what political party you belong too, Criminal records, location (or any other place you've lived) , phone numbers. They're all accessible through your local supreme court. If you're thinking of the US supreme court, you're mistaken, there's a different supreme court and that's what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the US and not any other country. -silenced [View Quote] silencedFeb 14, 2002, 5:58pm
Well yes it can be obtained that way too. Most sites have you pay for deep
down info such as criminal records. But you can obtain it for free at your county supreme court. That is if you're in the US. I don't know how secret other countries keep that data. -silenced [View Quote] bodhitahFeb 14, 2002, 6:23pm
*laughs even louder* okay, I'll let the children make even bigger fools of
themselves. Your "local, county 'supreme court'" LMAO Go ahead kiddies find out all you can about me. Yes I'm a US citizen. Get your little cyber-detective kits out and show me how good you are.. LOL silencedFeb 14, 2002, 6:29pm
Yes, you assume we're all children. You must be the greatest adult on the
face of this planet to infer that everyone is younger or less mature then you. A. It needs to be the county of the person (with the supreme court) B. I don't need to find info about you, it just can be done C. Who cares? I'm not the one "laughing" at people. Yes, let's Role Play (ie use the *'s to denote an action) because we know all the cool adults do that. I don't need to spend my time on something so pointless. Trekker can do it if he wants. I have nothing to prove. -silenced [View Quote] silencedFeb 14, 2002, 11:48pm
Yes the county supreme court, what is so hard to comprehend about this? I'm
not talking about the darn US superme court. -silenced [View Quote] sw chrisFeb 15, 2002, 5:04am
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