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Dec 5, 2001, 8:37pm

Hi all,

I'm just writing this e-mail as I am getting a new PC some time at the end
of Christmas.
The system specs will be: (I could probably get even better in a months time
for the same price, we'll see anyway)

o Pentium 4 1.7ghz
o 512mb RDRam
o 64mb Geoforce 2 Video Card
o 40gig HDD (4 x 10gig NTSF Partitions)
o Windows XP Home

I heard that Windows XP and NTSF don't like each other, seems to make lots
of errors on the HDD when using chkdsk even 30 minutes later after fixing
errors it picks up new ones? Maybe it would be safer to stick to FAT32, not
sure.

Ok, what I need to know is a few things, firstly, does AW Support Windows XP
without hassle?

Also, does anyone know if Norton Antivirus 2000 supports Windows XP?
I know you can use XP's compatibility options to have programs work as they
would like they did with previous versions of Windows until you can get
driver updates. But this would be a pain in the backside...

Also, I've heard that the new versions of ICQ2001 have been having some
problems with WindowsXP, is this the same with any of you out there?

Anything else I should look out for with WindowsXP and my most commonly used
programs, let me know:

o ICQ2001
o AW 3.2
o Norton System Works 2000 (Includes Antivirus 2000)
o ZoneAlarm Pro (Built in firewall in XP, is it any good and better than
ZoneAlarm?)
o Wingate (Apparently, don't need it with XP or any newer versions of
Windows, I've been stuck in the Stone Age)
o All my previous PC Games, Soldier of Fortune, anything at all which you
know won't work?

Also, some other questions include, if I format to NTSF partitions, and
network to a first edition Windows 98 machine (The one I'm using now), I
should be able to see it, but the Win98 machine should not be able to browse
my files and so on, right? Of course, they should still be able to share
printer, scanner, burner, dvd?

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Dec 5, 2001, 10:12pm

[View Quote] > o 512mb RDRam
> o 64mb Geoforce 2 Video Card
> o 40gig HDD (4 x 10gig NTSF Partitions)
Why do you want to have all these drive letters? Oh well, same as above :)

> o Windows XP Home
WinXP Pro is a lot more advanced in all aspects, much more comfortable too at least for an ex Win2K user.

> I heard that Windows XP and NTSF don't like each other, seems to make lots of errors on the HDD when using chkdsk even 30 minutes later after fixing errors it picks up new ones? Maybe it would be safer to stick to FAT32, not sure.
NTFS is the native FS for XP, I can't even imagine XP on FAT32. It's the only filesystem for partitions over 32GB anyway, a lot faster in reporting free space so faster in read/write and boot time. More on NTFS http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/techinfo/howitworks/fileandprint/storage.asp

>
> Ok, what I need to know is a few things, firstly, does AW Support Windows XP without hassle?
No problems since Beta2 here, last March.
Btw (not directly related to the above) problems are hardly ever caused by the OS itself, sloppy drivers can give you a hard time though. The rollback driver feature on XP rocks, tried 5 different Radeon drivers to find a stable one but my machines are rock solid. I'm tired of hearing ppl blame MS for crashes while 99% of the software crashes are caused by clueless user configurations and sloppy 3rd party software/drivers.

>
> Also, does anyone know if Norton Antivirus 2000 supports Windows XP?
Not according to Symantec/Microsoft, NAV2002 is the right version for XP. I have installed NAV2K and saw no problems with the latest SYMEVNT (Aug 2001) but still Symantec/Microsoft know better :)

>
> Also, I've heard that the new versions of ICQ2001 have been having some problems with WindowsXP, is this the same with any of you out there?
Not a single prob here.

> Also, some other questions include, if I format to NTSF partitions, and network to a first edition Windows 98 machine (The one I'm using now), I should be able to see it, but the Win98 machine should not be able to browse my files and so on, right? Of course, they should still be able to share printer, scanner, burner, dvd?
Wrong, the win98 machine will be able to do whatever you allow through the share's permissions. The host OS is responsible for reading the file system, not the client.

Anyway if you have a chance try it before you buy it. The only opinion that counts is your own.

-Baron

Dec 5, 2001, 10:27pm

below...

[View Quote] Why would ram, or a graphics card have a drive letter?

> WinXP Pro is a lot more advanced in all aspects, much more comfortable too
at least for an ex Win2K user.
>
lots of errors on the HDD when using chkdsk even 30 minutes later after
fixing errors it picks up new ones? Maybe it would be safer to stick to
FAT32, not sure.
> NTFS is the native FS for XP, I can't even imagine XP on FAT32. It's the
only filesystem for partitions over 32GB anyway, a lot faster in reporting
free space so faster in read/write and boot time. More on NTFS
http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/techinfo/howitworks/fileandprint/storag
e.asp
>
<snip>

Dec 5, 2001, 10:35pm

>
> Why would ram, or a graphics card have a drive letter?
>

Ram or VGA don't have a drive letter of course, I was referring to the 4 partitions.

-Baron

Dec 5, 2001, 10:41pm

I thank you for all your help Baron, and yes, I am looking forwards to using
WindowsXP on my new machine. I've been reading all its newsgroups and the
Microsoft pages on this program to get a feel of what it will be like. Also
used it for about 2 minutes at the computer store. Big difference, yet,
better I think.

Now, the reason I want 4 partitions isn't really relevant, but the last
partition will be used for back-ups of C Drives, to prevent me ever having
to loose everything and can restore back to original state.

The others would be for Collections such as MP3's and Movies.

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Dec 5, 2001, 10:44pm

prices have fallen a LOt in the past year... i got my system in march 2000
for $1500 and its a 750 mhz and 64.mb Gateway. Of coruse i've upgraded byt
hen but now you can get a faster machien for around a grand or even lower

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Dec 5, 2001, 10:56pm

[View Quote] Oh geeze, sorry :). I didnt see the part about the 4 NTSF partitions...

-Joe

>
> -Baron
>
>

Dec 5, 2001, 11:43pm

Or for the same price, can get an even better PC.
I try and stick to the same price every time I get a NEW PC.
Best thing to do though is buy a rather good PC for around $1500US, which is
what mine is worth, it's actually $2945AUS, about the same in US Dollars.
You keep the computer, and when it needs to be upgraded, best thing to do is
actually to sell it as it came, formatted and with windows installed for
someone, looking new, and sell it for say $1000US, now with that, add
another $500US on top and you have a bran new PC, even better than the one
you sold.
Better than upgrading 3d cards and everything and spending that same amount
when you could sell it and get an all round better PC, no?
Unless, of course, like myself, you like to keep them all and network :)

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Dec 6, 2001, 1:18am

I say dump the XP, and use 98 or ME, and you will be doing good, but do what
you want its yours

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Dec 6, 2001, 2:01am

I just started using WinXP Pro... lemme tell you what I'm encountering as
far as AW..

[View Quote] I have been running Win98, hosting my personal world AND the object path
from Win98.

When I upgraded to WinXP... AW browser works fine...

.....BUT...

The AW World Server doesn't seem to be working, as people try to log into my
world and find themselves
all alone and nothing to look at (nothing is loading). It puts them in
world Solitude, but they would be the
only ones there, and no objects what so ever in site.

So, I tried using the default AW object path, since I'm not sure I have the
server side software (IIS as it is called in XP)
and my DNS2GO client working just right.. but thought the AW world server
software should work..

Nope. Same problem as above.

I thought I read somewhere that XP has built in firewall software... have
yet to find where to configure that.. might be one
of my biggest problems.

Anyone else?
David Dean (Bastillion)

Dec 6, 2001, 2:22am

Firewall is in your dial-up settings under the advanced tab I think?
Other than that, it's probably in one of the advance tabs in network
settings. Has to be one of them :-)
I've read a whole lot before even getting XP. I'm still 100% for XP although
some problems have been mentioned that annoy others, but not myself...

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Dec 6, 2001, 3:19am

If you want to host things use NT or 2000, if you wanna play games and stuff
use 98, or ME

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Dec 6, 2001, 4:03am

You'll find what I think of all this below.
(Warning : really long post, but might contain useful info for anyone who wants to buy a good computer. And I'm not talking about
getting the best system at any price, but getting a more powerful system for an even lower price, and I guess anyone would want
that. You can follow these advices safely, as I have built myself 7 full PCs over the years, not counting upgrades or systems built
for friends.)

"anduin lothario" <anduin at anduin-lothario.com> a écrit dans le message news: 3c0ea1b4 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> Hi all,
>
> I'm just writing this e-mail as I am getting a new PC some time at the end
> of Christmas.
> The system specs will be: (I could probably get even better in a months time
> for the same price, we'll see anyway)
>
> o Pentium 4 1.7ghz
> o 512mb RDRam
Now, I guess you want that because the name Intel is stamped on them...
I must say that I dislike Intel ever since AMD started making faster and cheaper processors (the Athlon 500 was the first), but I'll
stick to benchmarks and give reference, so you don't think I'm biased.

I'm not saying this is not a good processor, but why even consider it when Athlon XP are faster and cheaper? And I'm not even
talking about the price of RAMBUS memory...
By the way you didn't mention what motherboard you planned to buy? It's just about the most important part of your computer, don't
neglect it.
The best thing you can buy right now are either Durons or Athlon XPs. And DON'T think that you should not buy a Duron just because
it's suppoosed to be aimed at "budget" buyers. It is a LOT cheaper, and offers better performance as Pentium 4s (The Duron 1200
outperforms the Pentium 4 1500, see http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/01q4/011116/index.html for the benchmark). Don't even consider
Celerons. A Duron 1200 is 3 times faster as a Celeron 1200 (see link above for the benchmark too). Also, the Athlon XP 1800+
(1533MHz) outperforms the Pentium 4 2000MHz.

So you can choose a Duron system if you want a high end system with a lot of other cool things (the money saved on the processor can
allow you to buy a better video card, or things like scanners or a webcam, or well, just be saved money :) ) , or if you're like me
you'll prefer to buy the Athlon XP just because you like to have the best processor around no matter what... lol (and I'm not saying
this is a good thing :P)
The best Duron you can buy is 1200, the best Athlon XP you can buy is the Athlon XP 1500+ (considering price and performance) : see
the benchmarks here. http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/01q4/011031/xpvsp4-15.html

Don't forget to buy a good processor fan too, AMD processors tend to fry a bit too easily ;) I'd recommand the Thermaltake SuperOrb,
which I own.
512 MB RAM is excellent, but of course you'd switch to DRR 266 SDRAM should you choose and AMD system. Try to choose RAM coming from
a well-known manufacturer, like NEC, don't buy anonymous RAMs of course :)

The best Mainboards out there are those based on KT266A chipsets. The 2 best you can buy are the Soltek SL-75DRV2 and the Soyo
SY-K7V (Dragon Plus!). The Epox-8KHA+ is really excellent too.
NEVER underestimate the impact of a good motherboard. This will not only have an impact on performance (although quite small), but
will determine HOW LONG you can use your system (as good manufacturers provide more BIOS updates for newer devices), and, most
importantly, this is the major element that makes a computer crash or run non-stop for months or years (along with a good OS of
course.). In this regard, the Soltek and the Soyo are the best, as Epox has a few crashes (rare, but the others are still best.)

> o 64mb Geoforce 2 Video Card
It is not on sale any longer. It has been superseded by the GeForce2 TI, GeForce3 TI200 and GeForce3 TI500
I'd suggest either a GeForce2 TI or a GeForce3 TI200, I think they are both around the same price as the old GeForce2.
GeForce3 TI500 is great but it's still very exepensive. Not that much of a difference compared to the TI200 anyway.

The manufacturer of a GeForce card doesn't really impact performance much, since nVidia sells the same RAM and chips to all
manufacturers, along with suggested board designs. So your choice will be made considering the price and / or the bundled
accessories or software that come along. I personnally like ASUS DeLuxe cards better, cause they offer a wide range of software and
a lot of I/O ports too. But they may be a bit expensive, your choice. Also, driver support is something important usually, but you
don't really have to care about that here since nVidia delivers fantastic drivers anyway, so you don't have to rely on your
manufacturer's drivers.

By the way, you didn't mention what sound card you were getting. I'd recommand Creative SoundBlaster Live Value! 2, it's cheap and
has great sound and features. If you want the best of the best, buy a SoundBlaster Audigy.
Never rely on a motherboard's integrated Sound Card, and prefer versions without a sound card, even at the same price, to avoid
conflicts.

> o 40gig HDD (4 x 10gig NTSF Partitions)
Again, don't neglect the important things here... who's the manufacturer? what's the drive's speed?
I'm not really up to date on the HDD market but you can find any benchmark on http://www.tomshardware.com . I personnally like IBM
DeskStar 75GXP drives best, but I think there are newer drives now so I'm not sure. Never buy anything you haven't read positive
benchmarks about.

> o Windows XP Home
Now, I don't understand why anyone would want to buy this. The professionnal edition is bad enough, but the Home edition is a lot
worse.
If you really want a MS-Windows XP (yuck), buy the Pro edition at least, and leave that Home edition in the garbage bin where it
belongs.
The best Microsoft system you can have right now is Windows 2000 Professionnal. Stable, usable, not too bloated, (I'm not saying XP
isn't any of these, just stating that 2000 is) and mostly, DOES NOT require registering a new key EACH SINGLE TIME you change your
hardware ! Not each time you reinstall it, you really HAVE to beg Microsoft for a key EACH TIME you add, remove or change any
hardware in your computer. Needless to say, users that buy XP presumably only do so because they don't know this... Moreover,
Microsoft can decide that they think you are not a legitimate user trying to get your key, so they may refuse to give you a new key
if they see you changed you hardware too many times. I think there's a limited number of times you can do this too, legitimate or
not.
So, what can I say ? If this all is true (as I haven't tried myself, I can't tell, but if anyone has a proof of the opposite I'd be
glad to hear about it. The things I said up there are based on the reports of angry XP buyers, but I couldn't check.), well XP is
simple unusable.

Wether this is true or not, there is simply no reason to switch to XP since 2000 is so fine :)
However, this is what I recommand when you have that big a drive, and it is how my system is organized :
I run Windows 98 for repair-mode and legacy software or games, Windows 2000 mainly for AW, NG/mail-checking and Borland CBuilder5,
and Linux Mandrake 8.0 for most other things.
Reserve something like 4GB for a FAT32 partition, on which you could install MS-Windows 98, not only because there are a few games
that don't run under MS-Windows 2000, but also because you can restart in DOS mode that way, which will make things a lot easier to
repair should you encounter problems with Win2000.
Then, an NTFS partition for the Win2000 system files, say 6GB. It's better to keep MS-Windows system files and applications / games
etc.. in separate partitions.
Then, create an extended partition which will contain a 6GB Ext2 partition to install Linux, which you won't fail to want since it's
free and the best system around :) If you've never tried it, you really should. You feel really free to do whatever you want, and
know Microsoft isn't spying on you :). It's easy to install and to use, contrary to what some persons think. Many administrations
have chosen it as the OS for their secretaries, which usually aren't the most computer-litterate people, and everything works fine.
You will also need a SWAP partition for Linux (256MB or 512MB will do).
Finally, allocate the remaining space for an NTFS or FAT32 partition, as you feel like it, for apps and data. I'd go for NTFS, it
supports security and really advanced things. It fragments quite fast though, so you should schedule a weekly defrag at 5:00am or
something and everything will be fine ;)

One last thing - ALWAYS accept it when they ask you to build a boot disk when you install an OS, it can save your computer's life ;)
I usually dismissed it until PartitionMagic crashed while resizing my 45GB partition and I couldn't do a thing since I didn't have a
boot disk.

> I heard that Windows XP and NTSF don't like each other, seems to make lots
> of errors on the HDD when using chkdsk even 30 minutes later after fixing
> errors it picks up new ones? Maybe it would be safer to stick to FAT32, not
> sure.
NTFS will run without a problem on XP and 2000, I recommand it. FAT32 sucks.

> Ok, what I need to know is a few things, firstly, does AW Support Windows XP
> without hassle?
Don't know about this, but I guess it should run without a problem.

> Also, does anyone know if Norton Antivirus 2000 supports Windows XP?
> I know you can use XP's compatibility options to have programs work as they
> would like they did with previous versions of Windows until you can get
> driver updates. But this would be a pain in the backside...
>
> Also, I've heard that the new versions of ICQ2001 have been having some
> problems with WindowsXP, is this the same with any of you out there?
>
> Anything else I should look out for with WindowsXP and my most commonly used
> programs, let me know:
>
> o ICQ2001
> o AW 3.2
> o Norton System Works 2000 (Includes Antivirus 2000)
> o ZoneAlarm Pro (Built in firewall in XP, is it any good and better than
> ZoneAlarm?)
> o Wingate (Apparently, don't need it with XP or any newer versions of
> Windows, I've been stuck in the Stone Age)
> o All my previous PC Games, Soldier of Fortune, anything at all which you
> know won't work?
>
> Also, some other questions include, if I format to NTSF partitions, and
> network to a first edition Windows 98 machine (The one I'm using now), I
> should be able to see it, but the Win98 machine should not be able to browse
> my files and so on, right? Of course, they should still be able to share
> printer, scanner, burner, dvd?
No, you can access drives of other filesystems on the network, although I've found it to be quite tricky to access a MS-Windows 2000
system from a 9x core win. You should get over it though.

Final note : your best friend to choose which hardware you should buy is http://www.TomsHardware.com . Check it often, even the day
before you decide to buy your things, because things change real fast in computers.
If they have a different opinion than you on a hardware, just trust them blindly. They know best. They have a lab where they
benchmark lots and lots of system, so they know what's good and what's not. ALWAYS rely on that site. Of course I'm not saying the
other benchmark sites are no good, just that this one is a good one that you can rely on. Other sites usually have similar results.

I know, that was a really long post. I hope it helped you or the others that took time reading it.
I don't like Microsoft and Intel, I can't say the opposite. But I've tried to be objective, let me know if you think I'm biased, but
I think everything I stated here was backed by facts and/or figures. I'm not trying to promote anything, just to give advice on
what's the best practice when building a computer.

Fox Mc Cloud

Dec 6, 2001, 4:08am

Ah, another thing. If you come to a store and want to buy one precise Motherboard, card or whatever, and they don't have it in
stock, the salesman will tell you "ahh but this one is even better, you'll see it will work really fine " etc etc... Never follow
this advice, unless you've read benchmarks about the exact product they're talking about, and you really know what you're doing. It
has happened to me several times and I was REALLY disappointed. Either go to another store or ask that they command it, the wait
will be worth it.
Write down all your system's specs on a paper, with the precise reference of each single component, and never buy anything you
haven't read benchmarks about.

Fox Mc Cloud

Dec 6, 2001, 4:35am

Forgot the link to the benchmark for this one.
http://www6.tomshardware.com/mainboard/01q4/011126/kt266a_nforce-23.html

Fox Mc Cloud

"foxmccloud" <FoxMcCloud at cyberbrain.com> a écrit dans le message news: 3c0f0a1f at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> The best Mainboards out there are those based on KT266A chipsets. The 2 best you can buy are the Soltek SL-75DRV2 and the Soyo
> SY-K7V (Dragon Plus!). The Epox-8KHA+ is really excellent too.

Dec 6, 2001, 4:39am

XP has the same as Windows 2000 basically.

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Dec 6, 2001, 5:09am

Hi there,

I didn't specify all of my specs because that wasn't relevant to the
questions I was asking about Windows XP, which yes, btw, I want 100% and
have read everything about it and follow up on its newsgroups.
I know its errors and solutions wherever possible, even BEFORE getting it.
With the new key every time you change your hardware that's a load of bull
pooh (LOL), actually, it's every 6 or 7 different hardware devices you
install or removed and every 30, 60 to 90 days after the change or so,
depending how frequently you change the hardware and how many at a time.
Re-installing hardware wont effect the limit before needing to re-authorise.
Windows XP is fine in my eyes, and all in all, it's the user of the OS not
the OS itself.

> Now, I guess you want that because the name Intel is stamped on them...
> I must say that I dislike Intel ever since AMD started making faster and
cheaper processors (the Athlon 500 was the first), but I'll
> stick to benchmarks and give reference, so you don't think I'm biased.

I have trusted Intel ever since I got my first pentium, after the 386 & 486
I had years ago. Never had a single problem with Intel at all. And AMD
heating up so fast, I couldn't care less about the cheaper things.
Just like I've trusted Microsoft with all of their products with not a
single complaint ever since Windows 3.11 & DOS (Yes, I know the story behind
where they got it all from) All it takes is reading and keeping everything
up-to-date. Had enough of everyone whining about things going wrong and how
to do so and so without reading help pages or manuals, lol.

> NTFS will run without a problem on XP and 2000, I recommand it. FAT32
sucks.

Ok, thanks for that input.

> I know, that was a really long post. I hope it helped you or the others
that took time reading it.
> I don't like Microsoft and Intel, I can't say the opposite. But I've tried
to be objective, let me know if you think I'm biased, but
> I think everything I stated here was backed by facts and/or figures. I'm
not trying to promote anything, just to give advice on
> what's the best practice when building a computer.

I know very well how to build a computer, but I also have my favourites,
such as Intel and Microsoft. Never had a problem with them :-)

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Dec 6, 2001, 5:30am

I thought so too, and was defending Intel heavily against AMD for a long time. I first got a 486 SX-25, then a Pentium 100, a
Pentium 166, a Celeron 333, and a Celeron 500. I didn't want to know anything about AMD and just laughed at those who bought K6s...
But ever since the Athlon came out, it's just not that way any longer. It took me a little time to realize it by the way.

"anduin lothario" <anduin at anduin-lothario.com> a écrit dans le message news: 3c0f199c at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> I have trusted Intel ever since I got my first pentium, after the 386 & 486
> I had years ago. Never had a single problem with Intel at all. And AMD
> heating up so fast, I couldn't care less about the cheaper things.

> I know very well how to build a computer, but I also have my favourites,
> such as Intel and Microsoft. Never had a problem with them :-)

Of course, I didn't want to sound like "I know and you don't" and I hope I didn't :) Just wanted to explain my views, and thought it
could be useful to less experienced users too.
By the way, if your OS ever crashed, then you had a problem with them.

Oh, and one thing about "personal favourites". Of course, everyone has some, and so do I (mine are ASUS, nVidia, AMD, Linux,
OpenGL...), but it's not always a good thing.
I have often preferred to buy one thing that was more expensive than an other, because I liked the company better... The problem is
that when you act that way and everyone tells you you should not, even though you won't listen, well, you just end up being wrong.
It's happened to me in the past, when people told me AMD was better than Intel and I just said that Intel is best and I don't even
want to try AMD. When Duke Nukem came out I said I like Id software best and don't want to try it. When Quake2 came out I said I
liked Quake better. And I defended Microsoft against Linux until I tried it once. The same went when I preferred 3dfx over nVidia.

The thing is, for each and every of those things, I was wrong and would never had admitted it at that time. And later I realised how
I had been blind to the facts.
So, of course if you're like me you won't listen... but I still want to say it. Don't stick to favorites, it's just bad. Read
articles, read benchmarks, research actual data, and if you can, try by yourself. That way you can decide, and try not to be too
biased by favorites, because the only thing it'll lead you to will be to say "Damn, was I stupid at that time !" in a few years,
which happened to me quite a lot.

Anyway, I don't think this is of any use since you probably won't listen (I know I wouldn't), but just try to think about it. Prices
and benchmark results can't be biased, they are your friends. Don't rely on your feelings :)

Fox Mc Cloud

Dec 6, 2001, 5:41am

By the way, I would like to see any unbiased (i.e. not made by an official company, and based on facts and benchmarking) reviews
that show Intel processors as better than AMD, because I have yet to see one. And if you don't find one, you should start asking
yourself questions why professional reviewers all say AMD is best and you think you know better than them ;). But if you do, please
post the links, I'd like to see what they have to say.

And about AMD processors heating a lot, well it's true, but it's only a problem for overclockers. My old TBird 1GHz ran with a
ThermalTake SuperOrb (not saying it would not have ran with a normal fan, I hadn't tried it), but my current ThunderBird 1.33GHz
runs with the supplied standard fan without a glitch, so that's not a problem really. And if you want to overclock it a lot, just
buy a better fan, should not be a problem :)

Fox Mc Cloud

Dec 9, 2001, 1:50am

dont get xp nononononononono not only can it only be installed on one
computer but when u run it it dials into microsoft and sends ALL your
program data to see if ur using pirated software BAD IDEA USE WINDOWS 2K no
xp xp bad!
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Dec 9, 2001, 3:35am

Conversation is over, and I already got my new system with Windows XP, no
hassles. And why would I worry when I don't use pirated software??

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Dec 9, 2001, 4:21pm

I'm sure MS considers any non-MS software is illegal lol

Fox Mc Cloud

"anduin lothario" <anduin at anduin-lothario.com> a écrit dans le message news: 3c12f838 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> Conversation is over, and I already got my new system with Windows XP, no
> hassles. And why would I worry when I don't use pirated software??

Dec 9, 2001, 8:22pm

LoL I wouldn't put it past me.

--Bowen--

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Dec 30, 2001, 6:48pm

XP blows a big one.. it's 2000 with a new interface that's all. Pentium IV
sucks too. Has the capability to run that fast, but does it? Nope.

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Thanks,
Ricky Lipe

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