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Nov 2, 2005, 10:02pm

My bad, that should be

if (GetTickCount() - user->GetLastActionTime() >= 1000 * 60 * 60)

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http://zetech.swehli.com

"Those people that think they know everything are a great annoyance to those
of us who do"
Isaac Asimov

Nov 3, 2005, 12:37am

that doesn't do it as soon as they die though! :) that only does it when
people dont move. Eep already has something like that :)
what it should be is
if (user == dead)


-SWE

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Nov 3, 2005, 12:54am

Well stated, Andras! As a matter of fact, within a week of my finishing
reading the novel "Snowcrash", I then found AW back in early 1998. It really
made me think about how the internet will evolve in the near future. I
really believe that withing the next few years, 3D virtual reality will be
the way most users will surf the net. A game, some say? How boring! Games
are for gamers, virtual reality is for the future!

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Nov 3, 2005, 12:58am

No AW_AVATAR_STATE_DEAD unfortunately.

The last action include chat as well tho.

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- Mark Randall
http://zetech.swehli.com

"Those people that think they know everything are a great annoyance to those
of us who do"
Isaac Asimov
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Nov 3, 2005, 4:04am

My reply to that is that AW is a 3D Virtual Community, for which *games* are
only a small part :o} My fav thing about AW is the chat, building, modeling
avatars ... not necessarily in that order!

LNH



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Nov 3, 2005, 6:43am

[View Quote] > class CTrashBot :
> public CBaseBot
> {
> protected:
> IMPLIMENT_STD_AVATARS(CBaseAvatar)
> IMPLIMENT_STD_LOGIN( )
> IMPLIMENT_STD_COMMS( )
>

I know it is a code only but the word still spelled as "implement" instead only impliment :)

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Andras
"It's MY computer" (tm Steve Gibson)

Nov 3, 2005, 6:45am

[View Quote] > My bad, that should be
>
> if (GetTickCount() - user->GetLastActionTime() >= 1000 * 60 * 60)
>

AMD and Pentium are chatting.
AMD: how much is 2+2?
Pentium: 5.
AMD: It is not correct!!!
Pentium: But I was fast am I?

--
Andras
"It's MY computer" (tm Steve Gibson)

Nov 3, 2005, 7:46am

Yeah Bowen pointed that out too, will have to change that in my code 0_0,
thank god code doesnt need spell checking....

#define COLOURREF COLORREF

;)

All those IMPLIMENT_xx's are are sets of functions placed inline into the
class that add standard avatar control etc.

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- Mark Randall
http://zetech.swehli.com

"Those people that think they know everything are a great annoyance to those
of us who do"
Isaac Asimov

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Nov 3, 2005, 9:29am

Except it's spelt IMPLEMENT, not IMPLIMENT.

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Nov 3, 2005, 11:45am

[View Quote] > Except it's spelt IMPLEMENT, not IMPLIMENT.
>
>

Thanks god compilers don't have a spell checker built in :)

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Andras
"It's MY computer" (tm Steve Gibson)

Nov 3, 2005, 12:17pm

for me, not so much the building, but modeling and chatting definatly.
mostly modeling though, if it wasn't for that, i'd probably be chilling in
There or SecondLife, or hell, even spending more time going out and watching
tv.
Thank God for private worlds :)

-SWE

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Nov 7, 2005, 6:41am

Jesus, now who's smoking dope?

> $20.00 is the going rate for a US-based, per-hour programmer who will work
> on NOTHING else for 8 hours a day while under my employ.

Nov 7, 2005, 2:59pm

Hello, TheNorm!

Actually, if you get REALLY lucky, you can find someone who will do
freelance work, for cash, for even less!

We just hired a local coder (in the SF Bay Area) who will be working for
us for $10.00/hour, ca$h money.

The free market is a WONDERFUL thing ... for everyone. :)

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Nov 8, 2005, 9:06am

I'm retired from the software business (in the SF bay area) and I'll tell
you this, even if you find a competent programmer at those rates they will
probably be snatched up by someone else in no time, as soon as they discover
what they could be making.

Of course, the opportunity to work on something that really turns you on is
a major incentive but the toys he can play with elsewhere will tempt even a
complete geek with no social life. Moreover, someone *with* a social life
will probably have another helping with those decisions.

Who knows, perhaps you can get away with it for six months, but the kind of
inexperienced person that will work at that rate is unlikely to leave a
system that can be maintained by others

The free market usually assures people that they get what they pay for.

By the way, "coder" is generally considered an insult. It implies someone
that can't design their own code but only impliments other people's designs.

Norm

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Nov 8, 2005, 2:23pm

Hello, Norm!

Thanks for taking the time to respond to our post.

I'll respond the same way that I did to your email :) by reiterating
what I said above, (in response to kf, who said said: "You really find
there programmers, I mean professionals, who do it for a living, who
work for 20.00$/hour?")

----------

Here -- like every other place in the US -- professional programmers
make between $50 and $80 per hour. The average, for the US hovers at
around $44,000 a year for programmers. --
http://tms.ecol.net/jobs/asc3.htm

However, that rate is for a professional, exclusive-use programmer
who is working for a corporation, usually in-house, on a retail
venture or corporate project. Specialized consultants, of course,
make much, much more ... but, they also have 20+ years experience. :)

What we're talking about here are high school students who are still
in classes, can only work part-time, will surely be doing other tasks
on my time, who aren't even making $10.00 an hour at present, who
will be working on a game venture that will bring me no revenue.

These playing fields are entirely different, as are the hourly rates.
And, they should be!

If any of the "professional" programmers here can do better than to
make a few thousand dollars for 6 months of part-time, leisurely
work, I challenge them to do so. I don't, however, see any of AWs
current "professional programmers" selling any of their work to the
community or making any money whatsoever from their programming
ventures.

So, what I propose is a win-win situation, for everyone:

- I win by hiring a programmer for a reasonable rate.
- The programmer wins by making money that they would not otherwise
be making, doing something they enjoy.
- The community wins by having a new, exciting, free-to-visit world
with a coll bot.

And, of course, should I not find what I need here, in the AW
community, amongst those who *should* be benefiting from my offer and
who know the ins-and-outs of bot making for the AW SDK, I will
continue to plan b, which DOES include tapping the Indian market for
a programmer. (Update: Actually, we have been able to find help right
here in the good, old USA for between $10.00 and $20.00 per hour.)

Of course, the term "coder" might be offensive to YOU, but, the people
on the biggest coding freelancing sites out there, like:
www.rentacoder.com
and
www.getcoder.com
don't seem to be offended by either the title "coder" OR by the $10.00
or $20.00 they're asking for. :)

Thanks for your comments, Norm.

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Nov 8, 2005, 8:59pm

[View Quote] Ha, you are screwed then because the SDK has only been around for about 6.

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http://zetech.swehli.com

"Those people that think they know everything are a great annoyance to those
of us who do"
Isaac Asimov

Nov 9, 2005, 4:52am

Pardon?

Are you assuming that WE are paying "a specialized consultant (who
makes) much, much more" ???

That would be a wrong assumption.

That would also be the second time you've told us "you are screwed".

Why is everyone who doesn't agree with you "screwed", Mark?

Just curious. :)

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Nov 9, 2005, 7:29am

[View Quote] Because 9 out of 10 times I am right, and you will be wrong.

That 1 out of 10 incident where I am wrong usually has a damned good reason
for me being wrong.

Thats not ego, thats just me and the acomplices I discuss such matters with
knowing significantly more about these matters than you.

<?xml version="1.0 ?>
<rant>

Of course, I could be wrong - You could be an expert in the SDK, know the
full implication of learning it, know how to apply it in C++, know how to
best interface it to worlds, regually discuss matters with hundreds of other
programmers, have used the 4.1 sdk, made RPGs before and lets not forget you
are clearly an expert at negotiation 'Like the dope you've been smoking'.

But I doubt im wrong... If you were everything above; you could have made
your own damned RPG by now working 12 hours a day. I could have ^_^

</rant>

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- Mark Randall
http://zetech.swehli.com

"Those people that think they know everything are a great annoyance to those
of us who do"
Isaac Asimov

Nov 9, 2005, 12:07pm

[View Quote] Then, why haven't you?

Nov 9, 2005, 12:36pm

Because I have been working on Eclipse Evolution and various windows tools
;)

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- Mark Randall
http://zetech.swehli.com

"Those people that think they know everything are a great annoyance to those
of us who do"
Isaac Asimov

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Nov 9, 2005, 10:55pm

[View Quote] >
> We just hired a local coder (in the SF Bay Area) who will be working for
> us for $10.00/hour, ca$h money.
>
> The free market is a WONDERFUL thing ... for everyone. :)
>
*Visualizes a guy in rags standing on a street corner holding a sign:
WILL CODE FOR FOOD*

Nov 10, 2005, 9:39pm

Well, he said it was a high school student, so was probably more along the
lines of "WILL CODE FOR SEX", :)

-SWE

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Nov 25, 2005, 11:40pm

I am a programmer in VB6 and VB.NET

I am much better in VB6 than .NET though. If you do not mind having a VB
programmer on your team, I would be glad to join. All I ask for is a one
year citizenship renewal. $70.

Cheapest offer you've had yet eh?

Don't think I am a bad programmer because I don't ask for much.

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Nov 26, 2005, 8:25am

[View Quote] Although we've already hired a team of lead programmers from outside of
the AW community (as well as two VERY inexperienced "baby" programmers),
we would be happy to add you to the team as well! More heads are better
than less! Your AW experience will be valuable!

All I ask for is a one year citizenship renewal. $70.

Done. Please send an email to the team at 357730 at programmer.net and
we'll work out the details. Also, if your programming contribution
starts to increase beyond what you think is reasonable for what we've
traded, we are open to negotiating additional payment for your time.

Cheapest offer you've had yet eh?

Actually, one person offered to help if we would erect a huge sign in
the world that read "Bot created by XXXX". :)

Don't think I am a bad programmer because I don't ask for much.
That thought was never even a consideration. :) We just figured that 1)
you like programming and 2) you're willing to trade somethin you need
for doing what you're already doing on a daily basis.

Thanks for replying!

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