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Mar 9, 2005, 5:06pm

When you run a business you HAVE to be professional and if you have
customers you got to run for them, as fast as you can, if they ask you to
run one mile you run two just to make them even more satisfied. I bet with a
new gz in AW it would bring at least 10 more customers. I mean when you
first come in AW it looks plain old, like something that has 5 years of age
looks totally outdated. Now Im not telling AW to change the gz... I could
care less but its just a fact that it would attract many more people. I'm
sure if you had a contest to have people build a gz builders like ferrucio,
josh, cp, alaskanshadow, and many people like that would give it a try.

I quit the GKs last weekend, I feel quite offended, everywhere I go
people make fun of GKs, and you know I use to get mad and stuff... but I
dont blame them anymore. I mean a GK ejected someone for mentioning awradio,
what have we possibly come to!?!? And I mean when one person blames people
for ejecting with no reason, oh well... but when all of AW calls you eject
happy and ejecting for no reason, pshhh.... I was a gk for like 5 months or
so I think, I think I ejected 2 people, lol. But I still like the GKs thats
not the reason I quit the reason I quit was because im busy.

AW seriously just look at your self you use to get like 6,000 to 12,000
new cits in 6 months right now we have had the 350,000 numbers from 2003, at
this rate new cits or people who buy new cits are never gonan stop looking
like n00bs ;_; but its got to be a problem on your side AW.

Do you keep a record of your sales? obciously not, you are now claiming
I never bought anything, lol ridiculous. You crack me up at how
unprofessional this is starting to be. Im sure herb takes better care of OW.

I dont know why Im posting this but just things I'd like to get out... this
is totally ridiculous.

Mar 9, 2005, 6:02pm

I don't think a GZ is gonna bring 10 new customers lol. Theres other GZ's
they can hang out at thats tourist enabled. Besides the GZ ppl dont hang out
to look at builds they hang out to chat. Just my opinion.
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Mar 9, 2005, 6:06pm

Your mixing up Active Worlds with Alpha World

Leave Alpha World alone..... just don't go there....send your tech savvy friends to a new world to show off the technology leave our history alone!

Moving on to better pastures does not mean you have to destroy or alter your old pastures.

Leo :)


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Mar 9, 2005, 6:26pm

In that case....

We need a new Maximum Size, Maximum User world - Megapath OP, special
commands and integrated Z objects, it needs a terrain modification system
(jebus how easy would this be using direct world server access and a
plugin???)

At the end of the day if AW wants to make a success, especially since the
price increases, they need to offer more than they do.

- MR



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Mar 9, 2005, 7:59pm

Please don't leave Alphaworld alone. Improving it would make logical sense
O_o

Lil' off topic though. Sorry you quit the GKs John. I'm guilty of talking
out against the GKs, oblivious to all the great GKs out there. Lady Teal
made me realize that some time ago. My apologies for posts in the past.

I wouldn't worry about the payment issue too much. I mean come on all
companies have miscommunications like that every now and then. I'm sure
you'll get it worked out soon.

- SW Comit
www.swcity.net


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Mar 9, 2005, 8:08pm

actually, my personal opinion, a GZ in a world such as AW, would bring in
far more then just 10 customers, assuming it's built well.
It will make the browser as a whole look better, more powerful, and so, will
make it more interesting to most people. In something such as AW, art is
definatly the most important thing. i mean, look at how important art is in
a game? and don't say AW is not a game, because even though it's a chat
sorta enviroment, it's still a 3d platform, and for the people who don't
build, they browse, and if you browse, you want what you're browsing to look
great. and for the people who build, they would surely want to build with
well made objects.

-SWE

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Mar 9, 2005, 9:01pm

I don't see why anyone cares what AlphaWorld looks like in relation to
*keeping business* ... it's AWGate that gets the "tourists" (potential
customers) first. Leave AW the way it was/is, and keep it historical
(although it pains me so to wear most avs in AW worlds :o/) ... make AWGate
more up to date (although it's not too bad as it is). AW could make a *new
AlphaWorld* ... maybe call it BetaWorld with all the newest bells and
whistles and leave AlphaWorld as it was/is ... what would rock would be a
multipath for this new BetaWorld in which others could donate use of their
ops besides the standard aw ones. Of course, by donate I mean give their op
to AWI (simply linking to them won't due as people can change the url with
ease and mess up your BetaWorld builds). Just my thoughts...

LNH


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Mar 9, 2005, 9:14pm

Dare I ask you people what the good reason is behind making Alphaworld
Historical when over 85% of the community would rather see it active and
still develope?

Just looking for your side of the debate here...

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Mar 9, 2005, 9:41pm

what is that percentage based on? i dont ever remember being asked to vote
on it. was there a poll done of all aw cits and i was just overlooked?
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Mar 9, 2005, 9:51pm

Well.. its you and Facter... vs well... everyone else.

- MR

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Mar 9, 2005, 9:52pm

I don't know LNH...

Id say issues with AWGate's GK's has lost AW a *lot* more business than it
has made recently.

- MR


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Mar 9, 2005, 10:24pm

awnews.org but that's besides the point. I just want to know the reason for
such anti-progression of AW.


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Mar 9, 2005, 10:28pm

LOL whos everyone else? just the guys in the NG's? If anyones gonna be
throwing percentages around i would like to know where that came from? I
never heard of an official poll going on or even an unofficial one. oops! i
guess there wasnt one :)
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Mar 9, 2005, 10:58pm

btw the poll's url
http://awnews.org/html/modules.php?op=modload&name=NS-Polls&file=index&req=results&pollID=40&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0

Not official or anything, but it's all we got. Would love to see AWI host
an offical poll, one vote per citizenship.

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Mar 9, 2005, 11:25pm

67 votes is hardly a community. i bet hardly any of the AW cits were even
aware of a poll and didnt vote. anyway no sense in even debating it. bottom
line is it wont be changed unless aw wants it changed and we just have to
live with what they want. whether its changed or not its not my decision and
i would just accept it. I'm in aw to enjoy myself and not worry about it.
what will be will be.

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Mar 9, 2005, 11:34pm

Queen RaMel Okie_woman2003 at yahoo.com
Yeah I Thought Aw Might Take SOME Responsiablites.... I Had Someone Hack
into
a World.. Stole A Object... Uploaded it to MY FTP
Which I gave that person my Pwd..I know.. I trusted this person.. he was
a Dear Friend to me.. or so I thought...and I Even Had Chat Log to Prove he
addmited to doing this.. but.. wether it was done to me or someone else
it,s Wrong...... Hacking is a Low Blow to all us AW CIT,s that Works our
Tails to create Great Enivorments and to Have ppl like This come along , and
Could Have... Made me Loose my Cit and Worlds...I had Email JP About this
too..Sent the Chat Log into AW Even
and Like Most Emails from the ppl that We are Suppose to be Able to
Depends up on
More Less said:.. So... What are we to do?
ppfff.....
and This Cost us $ 69:95 a year
hmm.. Makes me Wonder Why Kind of Enviroments AW themselfs let off

ppfff...

Queen RaMel....


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Mar 10, 2005, 12:01am

[View Quote] What do you want to bet that if more and more people kept voting, the
current trend in the results wouldn't differ that much? Like every poll
ever taken in the history is the world is like that ^,^

Mar 10, 2005, 12:09am

Thank you for ignoring the voice of reason.


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Mar 10, 2005, 1:00am

maybe, maybe not. guess we wont know for sure. even if u did a poll everyone
wouldnt vote anyway. I'm really glad this was a nice debate and didnt turn
into an argument :) its a good thing to have a debate but still respect each
others opinions.
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Mar 10, 2005, 1:53am

Improving AlphaWorld doesn't HAVE to destroy its "history." Heck, the best
destruction of AW's "history" I can think of comes from AWI overwriting
textures on the OP and changing the animate command.

AlphaWorld is the primary building world, and therefore it needs to be
updated and kept looking nice, that or we need another AWI-hosted world
that's just as big with just as big a user capacity with more objects...and
then AWI can disable building in AlphaWorld so everyone can enjoy its
"history" without fear of anything getting touched.

-CMM

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Mar 10, 2005, 2:17am

All of you guys using supporting history as an arguement to not update
alphaworld are confusing me a little bit. There is a world called AWGZ,
which I believe has a propdump of the alphaworld ground zero going out for
50 coordinates. We could use a simile and consider that a museum, a place
where history can be without affecting progress.

You also say that tourists make their impressions in awgate. This is also a
debatable notion. If tourists see alphaworld and pick up on the drastic
change in building style and quality, they'll probably be turned off to the
idea of joining. They are new potential customers, they want to know what
the program can do for them, and most of them probably don't give two hoots
about the history of alphaworld yet.

Another arguement: Can't the Alphaworld Historical Society find a way to
keep history stored up in the world without affecting progress? Take for
example, awteen. It's ground zero is updated four times every year, and
when its updated, the older one is moved out into the fields and a teleport
to it is set up so people can go check it out for nostalgia, reference, etc.
If this happens in Alphaworld, even though there is already a whole world
set as a propdump of ground zero, history can be preserved and progress will
not be hindered.

I really don't understand your arguement. It's really, really easy to come
to a compromise in a situation like this.

Mar 10, 2005, 9:02am

Whatz the matter with doing a BetaWorld being the same size, etc, more even
.... with more objects offered etc ... and leave AlphaWorld as is for those
that like that look? AWI owns the uni, can't imagine it's any skin off their
teeth to create a new Prime world? Is it? Just wondering ...

LNH



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Mar 10, 2005, 9:03am

I know at least one GK that rocks! LOL

LNH



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Mar 10, 2005, 9:05am

Ya, what you said ... paragraph 2! And AWI, while yer at it get some kewl
avs for Beta{Prime}World huh? LOL

LNH



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Mar 10, 2005, 9:13am

Ya but like ya said it's only preserved out to 50 coords or so, that doesn't
preserve past that? If it were a full world backup (and they might just do
this daily or something) then where's that world so folks can go looky at
it?

But I think the point is to preserve AW for those that like that style of
world ... like some don't like aw water, skybox, etc ... AW is old in that
respect (I think), but many people prefer to continue building there. I
personally don't go to AW anymore (unless doing a gift build) since I have
my own worlds to build in however I choose, but not everyone has that
ability and many rely on AW as their prime world for building. It being the
oldest, biggest and owned by AWI makes it likely the securest place to put
your builds if you don't own a world. Some of the builds in AW go way way
back. AWI apparently can't upgrade the world without loosing some of those
builds in the process. Like builds that are below ground would then be in
water as an example.

Doing a NEW Beta{Prime}World for those that want to build in a world that is
stoked with AWI's best stuff is a better option I think.

Leave AW for those that like it just as it is.

LNH



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Mar 10, 2005, 9:14am

because there are people who have invested alot of time in building over
there, and wouldn't want to leave it all. like the SW City people for
example :)

Would be alright for new users though.
-SWE

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Mar 10, 2005, 9:18am

lol, well, we would have a problem if everysingle one of them was a
stereotypical GK, but the fact is that lots of them are (not all, probably
not even the majority). and since there are so many problems with GK abuse,
AW's gotta do something about it. i mean, imagine if like, 40% of the cops
in the USA, would deport you out the washington DC for doing something which
isn't even a crime. Woyuld definatly have a big drop in tourists visiting.

-SWE

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Mar 10, 2005, 9:28am

Well that's not exactly true, cops deporting *bad people* to DC would make
DC a place tourists wouldn't want to visit since all the *bad people* are
there. But the place from which they were deported would be a much nicer
place due to lack of *bad people* see? Just makes DC's population bigger,
not necessarily better. It's all a matter of opinion / perspective really.
What one considers bad others may not.

LNH



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Mar 10, 2005, 9:39am

emm, no see, I misspelled, and you misread.
I was talking about if cops deported ordinary people, not "bad people". Then
no one would go there, because of not wanting to be harassed(sp?). This
would put a bad image on the goverment as a whole, and soon, people would
start moving to other countries. but in AW's case, no one has to leave to SL
or there, they could just leave as a whole, and spend less time online.

-SWE

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Mar 10, 2005, 11:31am

That is one of the most insane statements I have heard to date. Keep Alpha
World the way it is? What logic is in that?
Thousands of users around the world have already established huge
communities in Alpha World, and continue to build upon those communities.
What? You say they should just pack up and leave what they spent years
building up? There is no logic in that. Most of these users want to see
improvements with the interface and features in-world. They don't want to
take a hike and start over :P They want to see progress in their
communities, and this can partially be achieved by progress in the browser
and world features.
Alpha World needs to keep progressing, and its progress will in no way
destroy the history that it has developed. New York City is historical, no?
And they keep building new buildings all the time. What does this do?
Heck! I'm so surprised! It makes the place better! Golly!
Now, I'm not saying destroy the old stuff and bring in the new, but all I am
asking for is some improvements added on to what we alreay have, and don't
tell me that removing the z buffer-thrashing from GZ is destroying history.
A bit of cleaning up WOULD be nice.
Your builds will still be there if AW gets improvements. If you want to
stay historical, then just don't use any of the new features :P
Anti-progress does nothing but hurt the business, and most of all, hurt the
community.

Anyway, sorry to hear that you left the GKs, John. It seemed that some of
the sensible GKs (Lady TeaL) were cracking down on the abusive and
incompetent GKs. GK reputation might have been improving :O It was from my
standpoint at least.

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